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Purist or Non Purist: Does it really matter?
I have realized there are 2 kinds of people on MOCpages: the customizers, and the Purist. Now, the stereotypical Purist is against Brickarms, Brickforge, and any other products that aren't lego, but are used to customize lego. I am not a Purist. For you customizers out there, not all Purist are super mean people who hate your creation whenever you put Brickarms or Brickforge in there. Some people are kind of harsh like that, but has a hateful Purist really ever commented on your MOC saying that is sucked? I think not. And for you Purist out there, don't hate us customizers because you are against everything non Lego.
About this creation

Can you spot the Brickarms and Brickforge in the MOC? If not, you probably need to get your eyes checked. I like to think of Brickarms (BA) and Brickforge (BF) as tools used to make the MOC rather come alive, or add to the playability factor. Isit because it isn't Lego? Well, if thats the case, BA and BF were meant to go with Lego. Saying "Brickarms and whatever else are not Lego" is true, but that doesn't mean we can't use them. Again, they're made for Lego, so I know Im going to use them for just that.


Brickarms, in my opinion, are awesome. If you wanted to make some WWII MOC, Brickarms is the place for you. If you are making a cool, retro, sic fi violence MOC, Brickarms (And brickforge) is the place to get the blasters or futuristic weaponry. Brickarms and Brickforge aren't made to destroy the value of Lego. Sharpy is still debated.

Take this hunky sci fi sigfig for an example. Here, he has with him his smexy BA Pulse Rifle to blow out the brains of intergalactic Nazi Zombies.

Now compare the weapon with this bulky Lego pistol. Gawd, look how big the barrel is in width. That thing could take out a tank in 2 shots minimum. And even though that may be a good thing, it lacks detail. But whatever, purists can make some pretty awesome weapons out of the pistol and other pieces. I know this, I've seen people who have done this. Im just saying that I'd prefer to have something a tad bit more awesome when it comes to detail. Really, choosing between being a purist and non-purist is just a matter of what your preferance to detail is.

Plus the ammo you'd have to carry for that antitank pistol would be back breaking, Im sure our galactic marine here would rather choose the other rifle.

Either way, the zombie dies. That's the important thing here.

Aw, the Brickforge StG 44. Brickforge makes guns that you would think Lego would make.

Here is my future SWAT team guy. He contains 3/4 of the things every customizer has. He is equipped with BF, BA, and decals. (Decals by Justin Saber Scorpion Stebbins. Thanks Justin!)

And look! They even have a gun for your little sharpied clones.... Oh, that brings me to sharpied clones. I see a lot of people get angry about a sharpied clone getting more likes than any of their creations, and I get it. No customized clone should get more likes than something that people actually put time into. But what if, for example, someone just enjoys sharpying clones? What if they do put time into it? Then we don't really get a say in whether or not they should change the direction they're going in. Sure, we could give advice on how they could improve ("Hey, clean up the sharpy a bit on the bottom left. That'll do it"). Let people build what they want, how they want.



Comments

  May 30, 2014
I do not like sharpying anything and I do not like cutting parts. Paper capes I can stand, and plastic parts I can stand. But once you get to an irreversible decision, no...just no.
Cade .
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Serious George
  December 12, 2013
Well said! I do not have a preference over purists or customizers. i support both.
  December 12, 2013
I agree with you,I'm a fan of BA and Saber-Scorpion myself, but what about using clay, or breaking parts? I'm personally opposed to that.
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  December 12, 2013
Amen You have some great points I love brick arms and Brick forge I have a bunch of stuff from them. Let the builders build how they may.
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  December 12, 2013
When it comes to minifigs, I agree, why not use Brickarms and Brickforge? But as a gun builder, I think it does matter when it comes to replica weapons. To me, a replica model made from 100% Lego is far more satisfying than a gun with modified parts and non-Lego parts added to make it look realistic. I just love the challenge of trying to build a realistic model with only genuine Lego pieces. Now I realise that there are many gun builders out there that use modified pieces in their designs, and I'm OK with that, because in some cases they are more realistic than what could be done with unmodified parts. But personally, I like the challenge of being a purist.
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  December 12, 2013
My opinion (which probably doesn't count for much...). I am completely fine with Lego add-on parts vendors, (BA, BL, etc) and custom printers (EclipseGrafx/etc). I detest clone brands (especially Mega $ucks). I'm okay with paint, decals, sharpies and modified pieces as long as they are done WELL. I own some custom stuff, I don't do any painting/decals/etc, but I will modify parts ONLY if they are already broken, in which case modification is making them useful again. So I guess I'm a halfway sort of customizer.
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  December 12, 2013
To be honest, I admire all lego creations on this sight. I don't care where the pieces come from. If its from Brickarms, Brickforge, or Lego, i still think that a lego creation can still be awesome.
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  December 12, 2013
Nice figs' and Brickarms!
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  December 12, 2013
Honestly, I'm kind of in the middle. I mean, Brickarms and Brickforge, yeah I'll use those (they do make the character look alive, and are cool). But I will not cut a brick to make it fit, or other related things. For some reason I don't like to put MegaBloks on my legos (it may just be me ...). Anyway, nice statement. Why can't we coexist.
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  December 12, 2013
Mr. Cade. Congrats on MOD. Lego is a lot of things. Toy, art, communication… Lego is whatever you use it for (so if you use it to hold a door open… Lego even becomes a door jam). The tired adage “To each his own” leaps to mind as we all re-read this dialogue… yet again. But even as we all mumble this soothing mantra, and yell at one another “You’re not the boss of me!” there are some assumptions that most of us share (even if we don’t like to admit it or don’t realize it). We all compare our Lego efforts to the Lego efforts of others. We compete, seek improvement, seek to help others, we form groups and mini-orthodoxies, and we engage in ”praise trading” and basic gang tactics. But the important fact is that we compare. If we (most members of MOCpages) were truly as unconcerned with the opinions of others (as so many of us love to claim) we would not post at all. The fact is that we seek input, response, feedback, opinion (and in deep dark truth… ultimately… we seek praise). Most of the friction in this discussion stems from emotional responses to negative comments of others (cutting both ways) Modders hate to be branded as part maulers and purists chafe at being called elitists. Here is the bottom line: As a thinking, building Lego cat, you should check the map, choose one road or the other, and then continue to march. Explore your options, experiment, assess, argue with your buddies, but make your choice and then own that choice in stoic yet productive silence. Seek to convince others about your choice not with hollow rhetoric and name calling, but through thoughtful, well built, and well presented builds. Stop talking about your feelings (This thread reads like the Oprah Winfrey show). Who is rude, who is mean, who is more skilled, or who is taking short cuts. Who is offended... Humbug! SHOW us who is right by excellent and undeniable example. MOCpages is a totally open and free market place of ideas. Use the freedom the site offers to PROVE the value of your beliefs. And stop all this "Talk about talk". Build, post, review, attack!
  December 12, 2013
A classic post, congrats on MOTD. And Michael, that was the best comment I've ever read. It has been copied and emailed to myself for future reference - very well put sir.
  December 12, 2013
Ok, so I am a purist. I don't like having really detailed weapons, helmets, etc. I also really despise Mega Bloks because they have far too many parts; in fact, many of the parts in a certain model are unique to that model (trust me, my brother loves Halo and so I see [and even build] a lot of Mega Bloks sets). The reason I like Legos is that you can make something really complex from just a handful of ordinary parts, not with a bunch of parts made to match the exact angles of the set. This is why I have zero respect for Mega Bloks designers, because they make thier models so similar to what they really are that I swear that they use computers to make thier models. By adding all of these unique parts, a Lego set is no longer that: it is more like an action figure set. I think that Mega Bloks, Brickarms, etc. are closer to action figure sets than Legos. I am not saying that I dislike all of these (I think that almost all of them are pretty cool); I am just saying that they aren't really Lego, so all of your custom guys aren't really Lego guys. I really hope that you don't mind this comment. PS Not all Lego amendments are bad.
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  December 12, 2013
Hi, I am Ron, and I hate Mega Blox...
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  December 12, 2013
"Anti Tank Pistol..." I'll never see LEGO's revolver the same way again xD. Anyway, is there a term for people that are fine with customizing parts, brickarms and brickforge but hate MEGA BLOKS? I guess that would make me a hypocritical customizer...
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  December 12, 2013
Hahaha. Best MOTD I've seen yet.
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  December 12, 2013
Hahahahahaha. I can't believe you got motd.
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  December 12, 2013
Good one, Cade. Congratz on MOTD.
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  December 12, 2013
Although taking out a tank with a pistol is completely absurd (unless you're shooting a french tank), I see what you mean about oversized lego weapons. I am a tank builder myself, and I would much rather prefer putting a Brickarms machine gun on a tank than sticking a bulky, brick built one. Good analysis, congrats on MOTD.
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  December 12, 2013
now the only way to get brickarms is from a store that carys it.
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  December 12, 2013
So are custom decals non-purist?
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  December 12, 2013
Interesting analysis. I'm a pursuit builder, but I have no issue with nonpursuitists. I just like the challenge of brick build weapons. Also, congrats on MOTD
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  December 12, 2013
I think i'm a Non Purist, but i don't have that many brick arms or brick forge parts, need more money.
  December 12, 2013
Ya. Brickarms and brickforge all the may!
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  December 12, 2013
Based on the comment below, I guess I am an elitist :P
  November 5, 2012
I used to think I was a purist until I saw my first Brickarms gun! Now I think "purists" are actually "elitists" who reason that Lego is the best so that is all they will use. I used to think that too, but I have encountered many talented builders who use "Brand X" bricks and they build amazing creations. In the end, it all comes down to how creative the individual is, not the bricks he/she uses. ;-) Just out of curiosity, why would you Sharpie when you could paint?! Paint is permanent and it looks a million times better!!!
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  November 5, 2012
Quoting Steve The Squid I'm back. Just thought I'd like to mention that I'm no longer entirely purist anymore, I use and sell custom bionicle masks. But note, they are the highest quality available. That's what it comes down to, quality. That's why everyone hates sharpied clones, because they have zero quality.
Omigod, I think you finally get it. Thank you, sir, for finally understanding that it all comes down to the quality.
  October 25, 2012
I'm back. Just thought I'd like to mention that I'm no longer entirely purist anymore, I use and sell custom bionicle masks. But note, they are the highest quality available. That's what it comes down to, quality. That's why everyone hates sharpied clones, because they have zero quality.
Cade .
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  July 30, 2012
If Everyone cared, and nobody cried.... Man, this is an opinion. It ain't a warzone, it was made to show there's a differance, that these groups aren't all that differntt when it comes down to it. They just take different paths. I admit I sharpied some clones myself. If you apply it right, sharpied clones can look astounding. In the end, a MOC is a moc. "My Own Creation". Does anyone even care what that means anymore? Well? Do you?
  June 26, 2012
@ Steve the Squid: I think you're the one that messed up analytically ;)
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  May 24, 2012
I agree! Great MOC, it really doesn't matter!(In my opinion it doesn't)
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  April 29, 2012
I too agree.There's lots a joy in customizing!I surely don't have any weapons from BA or BF,but I DO use sharpie and decals!Besides,there's something even both of us purists and cutomizers have in common:the disagreement with the mixing of LEGO with MEGA BLOKs!I find that shameful!I used to have Mega Bloks but gave 'em all away!Its like mixing pretty with ugly!
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  April 29, 2012
I agree with "Q M" a few comments down, this categorization of MOCers by how they build is (probably) going to cause a Civil War here sometime! I also agree with you that BA, BF and other sites out there are just to enhance the fun. Who cares whether someone is Purist or non-Purist!?! People decide what to do with their Legos, they may sharpie and cut them, and some purists get angry about it! I don't mean offense here, but, why should they care, it's not their pieces that are sharpied! The war between Purist and Non-Purist is really sad and childish (in my opinion).
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  April 28, 2012
what talon magic said!
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  April 5, 2012
I buy a couple of BF stuff every now and then, but mostly I just clip, glue, and sharpie. I like to think I've gotten good at it. I even built custom microfigs! That's something nobady has done yet!
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  February 27, 2012
Yah!! Go team non-purist!!
  February 15, 2012
It's amazing the little war you have started here. I consider myself a "purist" because I don't cut or sharpie bricks. I have nothing against people who use B.A . or other companies like B.A. However, the "all purists are haters" view was uncalled for. And besides who doesn't want a pistol the can destroy a tank in two shots?
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  January 22, 2012
I think it's because they look cheesy and cartoon-ish. Neat little MOC.
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  January 19, 2012
I stand corrected.
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  January 18, 2012
Quoting "Q M" Christopher Honkzo6 I have great suspicion this will cause an interesting reaction but nevertheless, I think this entire thing is simply going to cause a gap between MOCers and divide up the community. And Cade, judging by the fact your mocking peoples opinions your giving yourself a bad name. This final note is to everyone. This entire feud is about as silly as jelly combined with stew. respect other peoples opinions, and carry on your own way. The point of a community is to help other people, not to divide them up.
I agree, but I wasn't mocking people's opinions. Especially his. He left a comment about me being "rude" and I responded why he was wrong.
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  January 18, 2012
I have great suspicion this will cause an interesting reaction but nevertheless, I think this entire thing is simply going to cause a gap between MOCers and divide up the community. And Cade, judging by the fact your mocking peoples opinions your giving yourself a bad name. This final note is to everyone. This entire feud is about as silly as jelly combined with stew. respect other peoples opinions, and carry on your own way. The point of a community is to help other people, not to divide them up.
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  January 18, 2012
im all for non purism it makes me think the creator is so dedicated to getting that perfect look that he will do whatever it takes to get it all we need now is a bionicle brick forge
  January 18, 2012
Don't worry Legofreak, I was just being funny.
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  January 17, 2012
Quoting Legofreak2444 ~ Don't worry Steve, Iceman was payed off to say that.
Don't worry LegoFreak, your friend doesn't know when to quit.
  January 17, 2012
Don't worry Steve, Iceman was payed off to say that.
  January 17, 2012
@Steve the Squid; I really am offended by your comment. I think by using super glue, you are giving your plastic people more souls and more creativity in their plastic brains. I am really really offended by your comment. That was a very stereo-typical comment.
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  January 17, 2012
wow squid you really are obsessed with arguing over something :P
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  January 17, 2012
Quoting Steve The Squid No, I said I wasn't going to create a new page to argue it. I commend your analytical skills.
I said drop it. Now get.
  January 17, 2012
No, I said I wasn't going to create a new page to argue it. I commend your analytical skills.
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  January 17, 2012
Quoting Steve The Squid
I was being immature? Please. You came here to comment, just because you didn't agree with me. You brought this upon yourself. I would suggest dropping it and not picking it back up.
  January 17, 2012
Also, since you want to argue purism, the whole point of Legos is to be able to create things with the parts you have, to make a unique look. What BA and BF do is add other different parts that aren't there. If I really wanted to do stuff like that, I could use a 3D printer, (and yes, I have access to one) and print out whatever freaking thing I want. Does this mean I can print out a house, make sure it has at least one point where it can connect to a lego piece, then take pictures of it and post it as a "moc" just because it's ABS plastic? No, that doesn't take any creativity. Since a line must be drawn between what is acceptable as an expression of your creative abilities, it only makes sense to most of us purists that the limit must be that only Lego brand parts are allowed. Other people choose to delve into other things, and I disagree, but in my opinion, mocpages doesn't need to be cluttered with stuff like this. What it really comes down to is that at the top of the site, it says: "Mocpages: Share your Lego creations". Ask yourself if you're really sharing Lego creations, and if you aren't, go post on flickr or something. I hope that's a satisfactory and logical explanation. But I really don't have control over these matters.
  January 17, 2012
Well yet again I'm offended, now not because of your opinion, but because of your immature reply to my comment. Mocking other people's beliefs is generally not an acceptable practice, and people who do that generally aren't liked. And also, I'm not about to go start a new page arguing this topic, because frankly all the intelligent people realize that nobody has control over whether anybody else is purist, and that anybody making a fuss over it is being silly. So, "Mocs" like this are widely hated, and I don't need the negative attention.
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  January 16, 2012
Although I have never bought any aftermarket lego, I think such things like Brick arms really do enhace creations, especialy WWII dioramas.
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  January 16, 2012
Quoting Caleb S you play with megablocks, don't you?
You were dropped on your head when you were an infant, weren't you?
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  January 16, 2012
It all really boils down to a matter of opinion. In my opinion, a half purist, (someone who doesn't use much brickarms and no clonebrands/edited parts) it depends on the role. Brickarms is an accessory, (enhancing figures, and can be used as an "add-on" to a build, such as a gun and/or mount) and that's basically, up to pretty much the limit, fine. However, when people start using it as an element, (connecting bits and bobs, making it the main bulk of a build), that's when it gets a step too far. As to using shapries and cutting bits of lego, that's irreversible damage, and used wrong can really spoil a MOC. Decals I use pretty much freely, and I don't see what's wrong with them as I use sticky paper and those can be peeled off and a quick wash of the torso leaves it as good as new.
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  January 15, 2012
Quoting Steve The Squid
Truthfully it is not my problem. If you want to put up "true" statements about this subject, then put up your own page about it. I'd like to see what you have to say.
  January 14, 2012
I'm offended, because not all purists are mean. I'm against people who ruin legos, but if they want to do that, that's fine and I respect that, even though I cringe. SO I still rate them up. I am all purist though. So obviously I'm quite offended by your rude statements, because we aren't all mean, just like you guys aren't all fools.
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  January 3, 2012
I'm a purist, but I'm not against Brickarms or Brickforge, I'm against people who Sharpie their minifigs.
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  January 3, 2012
I'm a purist, but I'm not against Brickarms or Brickforge, I'm against people who Sharpie their minifigs.
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  December 31, 2011
I always enjoy reading this kind of stuff. While I personally am a purist, I can understand non-purists and respect their opinions. And I have to admit, BrickForge stuff is pretty cool!
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  December 22, 2011
Well, I am a Purist. And Really, from where I stand, I really don't care about brickarms and brickforge. A lot of purists don't like destroying or changing official lego parts. Some people may hate using BA and BF, but that is really just an opinion.
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  December 21, 2011
This is great! And by the way, the amount of licks that it takes to get to the center of a lollypop is a shocking 231! How about that?
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  December 19, 2011
Epic!!!
  December 19, 2011
Although I do use sharpie, i am more of a purist than a customizer. This is simply because i lack the resources to buy brick-arms(which i love). Now I admire both purist and customizers because purist are creative at how they build, but customizers make things seem more realistic. This Has inspired to see the good of both sides. Thank you!
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  December 10, 2011
Nice summary on purism and non-purism. Can you join the TFOL Private Club forums? http://tfolpc.forumo.org/
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  November 27, 2011
Personally, I really like Brickarms (Brickforge is ok)but I do not like cutting lego bricks. I am in the middle.
Cade .
Beaver Boy !
  October 30, 2011
Instead of wasting your money on overpriced non-lego products like brickarms, you can build your own brickbuilt weapons and have twice the fun!
Cade .
Wyatt Boucher
  October 11, 2011
personally, I think Legos are an artistic medium with unlimited possibilities, so customization just adds to this and makes the possibilities even MORE endless. In other words, customization kicks a...
Cade .
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Sam "The legoman" Knavel
  September 16, 2011
I am a purist when it comes to sharpying or cutting lego bricks, but gluing them is if you want to keep it permanent. I totally agree, Brickarms and brickforge make the creation pop!
  September 13, 2011
you play with megablocks, don't you?
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  August 28, 2011
I totally agree with you! Non-Purist's rule! I cut and superglue every once in awhile but I don't do it that much because it makes me uncomfortable. But I hate MegaBloks too. There is a new clone brand that makes Transformers. I cry (Jk) every time I see it because there are gonna be more clone bricks on MOCpages. D:
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  August 15, 2011
I am purist, though I don't really enjoy them I'm not against the use of brickarms or megablocks, because it takes more skill build custom guns, and it's a lot more fun too. When the people actually ruin the LEGO bricks is when I get grumpy. I think, "The LEGO company made such a great part for you! Why did you have to mess it up?"
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  July 15, 2011
YES! This is EXACTLY why I customize minifigs! Thank you for putting this out there.
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  June 29, 2011
well cade im a purist, i customize but its due to me not having any ba or bf. oh and are we still on a trade.
  June 11, 2011
I agree with both sides. It is fine to use it in some creations. But not all! If you do use them, make a folder for your creations called "custom Stuff" or something like that. I've never ordered anything from BA or BF but I still think it looks cool. It goes the same when painting BIONICLE pieces too. And you should tell all those idiots that keep posting stuff like "PURISTS SUCK!" and "BA and BF rules!" to stop. It just makes Purists even angrier.
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  June 3, 2011
A good argument there, and i agree. Oh yes, someone down there said 'Who would want a pistol that could destroy a tank in 2 shots?'. Well, a tank driver wouldn't want it.
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  March 13, 2011
you are right and could i get brickforge's website. and i think we can all agree that a bozooka is the best weapon ever
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  February 8, 2011
Nope I don't really think so. (ISAAC Wilder)
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  January 21, 2011
Well, So long as no one uses Mega-Bloks, I honestly don't care.
  January 10, 2011
Quite to the contrary, I'd rather shoot an intergalactic nazi zombie with the pistol, rather than the machinegun, due to the fact that a machinegun is full auto, which wastes ammo. Besides, who WOULDNT want a pistol that could take out a tank in two shots?
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  December 31, 2010
This is a great way to get this to purists and non-purists alike. I personally enjoy using brickarms, brickforge, and (very rarely) decals, and I absolutely try to make real Lego-built things whenever possible. I do, however, strongly disagree with sharpie use, painting, molding (using clay), and cutting, and DEFINITELY no megabloks and the like. "What's the point of butchering the lego piece?" is the point that I try to get to when I see people use paint and sharpie and megabloks and so on. Peace to purists, non-purists, and all Lego MOCers!
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  December 28, 2010
Yup i've gottten tire of lego's guns its always the same thing pistol or rifle nothing different i used to cutomize my clones its very sad now i have a bunch of useless bodies,arms,helmets,legs,etc. i am ashamed of myself for doing that. i do agree with what you saying though
  December 15, 2010
I would have to say I'm more of a customizer. However, if any of you use megabloks or other knockoffs, I'd say that's going WAY too far!
Cade .
A. A. (AKA Noname)
  December 11, 2010
I am writing this message to anyone who wasn't active in the 'TFOL Private Club' group as its admin: You've been inactive, and if you'll remain inactive until next week, you'll be kicked out from the group.
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  December 11, 2010
really cool hadline and creation
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  December 10, 2010
I'm a purist, partly because I don't care and partly because they're pretty expensive. But I don't really mind other people using them.
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  December 5, 2010
I swear I commented on this... Anywho, I'm in-between. I use BA and I am getting some BF, but I rarely color on armor and things like that. I'll use it to add style and design to a helmet or part of an armor piece, or maybe a minifugs (some touch ups) but I rarely ever use it on whole parts. dat mai opinyin, m3 in all 0ut cu$t0m1zr
Cade .
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Thebeggerpie Pie
  November 24, 2010
Being Purist or Non Purist doesn't matter at all. It's like two different religions that are based on the same belief. They disagree in some ways and agree in others. Purists like the LEGO brick the way it is and don't wanna ruin it. Non Purists wanna expend the LEGO brick to cover more story arcs, more playability, more everything. I don't think it matters. People have their way of doing things and if it works for them everyone else needs to leave them alone. It doesn't matter.
  November 19, 2010
Good point, now look what a purist does for equipping his figs: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/235505 A bit more imaginative and intelligent, don't you think?
Cade .
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Espen Stålder
  October 22, 2010
Intresting little rant here. I know absolutely NOTHING about guns except what a pistol is, so I personally don't mind Lego guns. I think Brickforge has some nifty stuff, however, though I haven't bought any and consider myself a purist now. You raise some good points, here.
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  October 21, 2010
I am more of a purist because I dont like sanding, cut, and gluing but I does use some BA so I stand nuetral in this category
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  October 20, 2010
I don't see why you would ditch the bulky Lego pistol look at its size it's got to be 50 cal. or more, it's got more stopping power than that rifle. Joking aside I don't use BA or BF, but thats because I simply haven't bothered to buy any yet.
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  October 19, 2010
I agree whole heartily with what you are saying. BA and BF aren't meant to replace Lego, just enhance it. Besides, logically speaking, how could Brick Arms and Brick Forge replace Lego? It would just be a bunch of people with little guns and swords going, "Well, this sucks."
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  October 19, 2010
Quoting Dayton L i just brought $70 worth of brick arms i i say ther good but i do not cut up lego YOU GET THAT YOU MOTHER F@#%*^% dum@#*% that and paper for srorlls shold be the only non lego things in your moc
Uh...
  October 18, 2010
i just brought $70 worth of brick arms i i say ther good but i do not cut up lego YOU GET THAT YOU MOTHER F@#%*^% dum@#*% that and paper for srorlls shold be the only non lego things in your moc
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  October 16, 2010
I dislike painting Legos, but I think those guns are okay.
  October 15, 2010
@BobaFett2 - I agree... I'm exactly the same thing, and I really don't want to waste money on things that aren't genuine...
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  October 15, 2010
I'm a total purist. I don't like sharpie-ing figs, although decals are fine when they're not permanent. I don't dislike brickarms either, but I personally try to avoid using anything other than LEGO. What I really hate is clone brands.
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  October 1, 2010
Quoting Vince Le You said you replied to this "non-MOC"...
HAHAHAHA still a MOC....
  October 1, 2010
You said you replied to this "non-MOC"...
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  September 29, 2010
Quoting Cade :D
About...?
Huh. No answer...
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  September 29, 2010
Quoting Vince Le What R U talking about? I see no reply...
About...?
  September 29, 2010
What R U talking about? I see no reply...
  September 26, 2010
WARNING FROM IMPENDING DOOM CONTEST: You have until the 1st of October to add your entry.
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  September 24, 2010
Nice argument, I definitely agree. If people dont like MOC's with BF and BA DONT LOOK AT THEM!
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  September 14, 2010
I snad down the notch on a pistol and add a greyhand on the barrel and binocs on the end with 2 grey hand on the end of that for a cool gun.If you use this idea please give me credit.
  September 14, 2010
I am a customizer up to a point- I dont color, paint or place decals. I dont get much money so i dont really get BA or BF so i try to build costomized stuff involving every party, even (dare I say) Mega Bloks. Oh and sorry it took so long to answer your question- Yes i would like to use that huge pistol but you know after a while it would get boring because youve explored all possiblities, but when it gets boring you move to the next crazy thing. Iprobaby wouldn't play the game if all weapons were super awesome. And lastely you may have overexagerated how eextremly large the pistol was. Well theres my two cents i quess. >Eric
Cade .
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Harrison H.
  September 10, 2010
This is a pointless argument of which plastic people use. I use all of it. if megablocks was before legos then we would say legos suck. Well.... maybe not. But seriously the BA and BF is not bad to use. If that is part of your pet-peeve list then get over it. I love the little plastic parts and if they feel durable and they look cool I don't give a crud which manufacturer makes them.
  September 3, 2010
This is a good statement, but you forgot a group: The In-betweens. I am an in-between. I love the stuff on BA and BF and I use their stuff, however, I do not like taking a marker and coloring a fig. I did add a bit of paint to a few pieces in the past because Lego did not use to add enough color (see the spiders in my Dracula’s Daughter MOC). That being said, I do not dislike the customizers at all. I dislike some of their attitudes. Keep on using those great elements that BA and BF sell!
  September 3, 2010
I never say that I hate Brickarms or other third party items, because I enjoy seeing them in other people's MOCs, even if I don't have a single Brickarms myself. It doesn't even really matter if you're a purist or a non-purist, it depends on what kind of creations you come up with, good ones or bad ones.
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  September 3, 2010
Quoting Malik Primus Listen; stop with all these 'Purist or non-purist' things. They don't belong here, and they are pretty much a waste of space. EDIT : Oh, and this type of thing has been done before, we don't need more.
You want me to delete it? Uh, no. I won't. So, too bad.
  September 3, 2010
Listen; stop with all these 'Purist or non-purist' things. They don't belong here, and they are pretty much a waste of space. EDIT : Oh, and this type of thing has been done before, we don't need more.
  September 3, 2010
First, I have nothing against BA or BF. I even think that they look cool. But I don't have any and won't get any, because the minifigs don't really matter for what I'm building. By the way, I used six "bulky oversized lego guns" lately. Not as guns, but as leg hinges for hardsuits. I don't think that's possible with custom guns. Edit: It's not really heroic to turn off the comments now. I thought you wanted opinions, didn't you get them? I've read most of the comments and I don't see that you're being bashed for your opinion. But if you start a discussion (like we had them about clonies some time ago), you should also expect conflicts. And since you seem to take them so personally (you don't need to, this is internet), it might have been a better idea not to start this argument. I don't think there were so big tensions between purists and non-purists anyway.
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  September 2, 2010
Quoting Malik Primus Listen; stop with all these 'Purist or non-purist' things. They don't belong here, and they are pretty much a waste of space.
They're my MOCs. I do what I want with them. YOU can't tell me not to put this up. Gawd man, look how many people don't know what opinion means.....
  September 1, 2010
Yeah, you kinda got it wrong here. Sorry. I WAS a customizer... Then i realized that i was killing legos. Im NOT against brickarms OR brickforge. Im agains cutting/painting/sharpieing legos. Btw, i USE Brickarms on some stuff. So you, person, are incorrect about us. EDIT: besudes, its more impressive when you build a cool purist fig than when you build a custom fig that looks just as cool.
  September 1, 2010
It is not necisarily the Brickarms etc. that us purists get angered about it is mainly using sharpies on your minifigures, painting peices, cutting lego pieces in half, that kind of stuff. You have the wrong idea.
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  September 1, 2010
personally, I see nothing wrong with customizing Lego, it's all good and adds to the hobby. BUT, I am not a fan of non-Lego products on a Lego site, it is like aiding the enemy, and make no mistake, in a free market, all competition is hostile. Western (Europe, USA, Australia) made vehicle production has fallen and fallen in favor of cheap junk out of other nations, why, because westerners possessed no brand loyalty. Well, I drive a Ford and am proud of it! Likewise, I use only Lego bricks... I hope my opinion doesn't infuriate anyone...
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  September 1, 2010
I'll admit I use Brickarms and Brickforge. As a student of economics, I guess I justify it by saying that in the purchase of 1 Brickarm gun for $1, I've increased GDP by $1! Therefore, I increased everybody's standard of living by 1/300,000,000th of a dollar! (for those of you who live in the US only unfortunately). :) That was mostly just for my own amusement.
  August 31, 2010
(Quote)"i have soemthing to say to all of those purists out there: we customizers have nothing against you(that i know of anyway) and we just think BA, BF, etc. are just cool, it makes the moc look more like we want it, so stop sayin' that it's a shortcut or that it shouldn't be done, cuz it doesn't really matter. this whole arguement is completely pointless cuz it doesn't matter at all. YA HEAR ME! IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL!!!!! PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO BUY NON-LEGO PRODUCTS AND THEN PUT THEM IN THEIR MOCS IF THEY WANT TO! AND PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO PUT ONLY LEGO PRODUCTS IN THEIR MOCS IF THEY WANT TO!!!!! REGARDLESS IT'S A MOC! THAT'S ALL IT IS, A MOC!!!!! THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT'S UNHOLY OR SOME DUMB$#!% LIKE THAT! IT'S A CHILDERN'S TOY PEOPLE! JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT! CUSTOMIZE! DON'T CUSTOMIZE! DO WHATEVER!!!!!" (End Quote) ***And people like this do not belong here, or even MOCpages. Perhaps this could be avoided with maturity.***
  August 31, 2010
@Cade: Never mind..
  August 31, 2010
I´ve always been a purist, not because I hate anything else, but I like to build MOC:s from scratch, not just adding a one-piece detail. Regardless of what I create it must be unique and impossible to buy right of the shelf. Still I find customization interesting...the most important thing is to test and develop your creativity when building Lego, trying new and different paths is what Lego is all about. If you don´t evolve, what´s the point of continuing?
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  August 31, 2010
Catholic or Protestant, Ninja or Pirate, Republican or Democrat: Does it really matter? Purists and Non-purists are like these two opposing groups, they're always gonna end up arguing about the trivial matters, rather than the great deal they have in common.
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  August 31, 2010
I'm usually a purist now a days. I will, how ever, use an eraser and erase printing. Really, the only form of customizing I don't like is when someone scribbles up a clone. Then again , it's not really the moc that is the problem, it's usually the creator's attitude or behavior that pushes me off of the edge. Just remember, use the custom figs in a moc.
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  August 31, 2010
I customize when I need it. However, when I do customize I don't hold back. The other day I though I could make a cool looking bumper for a tank with the cots. So, I just pulled out my exacto knife an cut all of the tubes that stuck out off. I have over $100 dollars worth of BAs, so why not use them? Sadly, I don't have any spartans. Though, I plan on getting some. Or when I made my riot shields. I just went in there with some scissors and cut it out. I was also not afraid to do so. I also used printed out backgrounds. That's just a neat list of how I'm not a purist. However, I'm purist in that I build with nothing other then Lego. I think we are all entitled to an opinion, whether it be rude or not, freedom of speech allows that. I have a heart of a purist and the mind of a non-purist! That's my opinion on Purist an non-purists. However, wit the whole being bashed and what not. so, to that, I say nothing. Why? Well, I have nothing to say that has not aready been said. 4/5! ~See you in Reach
  August 31, 2010
While I don't use BA or BF, I don't see anything wrong with them. Although, I believe it does matter, because purists and non-purists have different opinions. To say it doesn't matter is like indirectly stating their opinions don't matter. Don't take this the wrong way, but posting MOCs like this usually just add to the "fire" between these two groups.
  August 31, 2010
this is starting to look like a war, maybe you should say some things on a different way, like Mister Bones said, the purist don't like the costumizers' attitude, they don't hate the costumizers. and don't forget those In-betweens he's talking about, there are builders around that are as much costumizer as they are purist
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  August 31, 2010
Quoting Sean #170 You say that opinions are a crime in today's society. I don't quite see where you got that from, unless you mean to say that some people commenting don't agree with your opinion. Free speech exists in most countries around the world, and in all probability in the one you are writing from, so I wouldn't say you have anything to worry about. Now, about Purism/BA&BF, I'd say that my view's a bit wierd, in that I believe that pieces that someone mods themselves are more "pure" than BA or BF, because it's still you being creative with Lego, as opposed to you buying something somebody else designed.It's sort of like admiring someone more for hacking a game to win it rather than using a walkthrough. That's a bit of an odd metaphor, but I'm trying to say that I admire initiative more than... how should I put it? Plagiarism? I want to see what you built yourself, not which gun you thought looked cool and decided to buy. Now if, say, you add something to it or vice versa, such as using a helmet as the "kneecaps" of a mech or as an architectural detail... now that's something I can get behind. Hope I wasn't too harsh about opinions, and I want to tell you, I'm always glad when someone manages to get people talking about Lego. EDIT: I reread some of the comments, and I think I get what you were saying about opinions being crime. I'd like to say that if the post asks whether it matters if people customize, and you say it doesn't, than why did you write the post in the first place?
All Im saying is that I got bashed for my opinion. Thats all.
  August 31, 2010
Well personally i dont enjoy using these type of things, they take away a lot of the custimazation abilities and takes away a lot of the creativity in my openion, although i agree that lego weapons can be extremely bulky at times. I am in favor of decals though, normal minifig torsos and legs are kind of boring at times. Thats why I, a purists, does not like brickforge and such. (note: purist also means people who wont cut up and change lego pieces)
  August 31, 2010
I am not a purist nor a non purist, but i believe that you should not be insulting purists but the purists should not be insulting any mocs of non purists and i end this comment with the words to each his own.
Cade .
The Shadow Knight .
  August 30, 2010
geeze. I guess people don't like opinions. But I will stand up to you Cade. Cause I am like you. I customize. And I'm glad I am.
  August 30, 2010
Congratz on this for replacing your most popular MOC. This, isn't a MOC. No offense.
  August 30, 2010
hey Cade, since you closed the commenting for the airsoft thing, I would like to know fully what's up. What is it exactly? Could you explain in a new thread in the group 'home'? Or you could just explain here if you want your choice.
  August 30, 2010
You say that opinions are a crime in today's society. I don't quite see where you got that from, unless you mean to say that some people commenting don't agree with your opinion. Free speech exists in most countries around the world, and in all probability in the one you are writing from, so I wouldn't say you have anything to worry about. Now, about Purism/BA&BF, I'd say that my view's a bit wierd, in that I believe that pieces that someone mods themselves are more "pure" than BA or BF, because it's still you being creative with Lego, as opposed to you buying something somebody else designed.It's sort of like admiring someone more for hacking a game to win it rather than using a walkthrough. That's a bit of an odd metaphor, but I'm trying to say that I admire initiative more than... how should I put it? Plagiarism? I want to see what you built yourself, not which gun you thought looked cool and decided to buy. Now if, say, you add something to it or vice versa, such as using a helmet as the "kneecaps" of a mech or as an architectural detail... now that's something I can get behind. Hope I wasn't too harsh about opinions, and I want to tell you, I'm always glad when someone manages to get people talking about Lego. EDIT: I reread some of the comments, and I think I get what you were saying about opinions being crime. I'd like to say that if the post asks whether it matters if people customize, and you say it doesn't, than why did you write the post in the first place?
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  August 30, 2010
cade have you seen my next BA order? yep i buy BA everyone, ima customizer!
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  August 30, 2010
I guess, opinions are a crime in today's society what are peoples problem with Brickarms/Brickforg/Brickwhatever is the brick in the name a problem should it be Legoarms or Legoforg?
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  August 30, 2010
Quoting Jon L. (Deviss) Well, you did make a big fuss over it by making an entire post dedicated to it...
*sigh* I guess making a MOC and posting your opinion is a crime now.
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  August 30, 2010
Quoting The Shadow Knight . geeze. I guess people don't like opinions. But I will stand up to you Cade. Cause I am like you. I customize. And I'm glad I am.
In 2010, nobody cares what others think.... Its just sad. Nobody listens. Nobody cares. Nobody even is happy anymore. Thats what started happing after Vietnam. *sigh*
  August 30, 2010
Well, you did make a big fuss over it by making an entire post dedicated to it.. c.:/ It's just my opinion. BA and BF are used to enhance a MOC, but make it "non-purist" since TLC didn't make it.
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  August 30, 2010
Quoting Jon L. (Deviss) Well, you did make it a big matter in the first place..
By doing what? All I did was post a MOC about my opinions.
  August 30, 2010
Well, you did make it a big matter in the first place..
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  August 30, 2010
ive made a response to this, scroll down for da link
Cade .
Nicks Bricks
  August 29, 2010
Well first off i agree with Stuart about how this is just a post to show some figs. Next i'd like to say that BA and BF are nice, but they take away from the actuall builds. Even though i do have some BA weapons, i hardly ever use them. I do think they're a waste of money, and are bought basically just to enhance a moc, but thats my opinion, yours may be different. I mean you could pick up a quality LEGO set for the price you pay for BF or BA. The thing that i have a problem with is how many i like its this got, for being a clone on a plate, there are much better creations out there that have half as many~Nick
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  August 29, 2010
At first, I misunderstood customizing. I thought it was about cutting pieces, not adding BA/BF stuff to your creations. So, as long as no pieces are harmed, everything is fine for me!
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  August 29, 2010
Huh. I guess I made him speechless. Heh.
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Nicks Bricks Well first off i agree with Stuart about how this is just a post to show some figs. Next i'd like to say that BA and BF are nice, but they take away from the actuall builds. Even though i do have some BA weapons, i hardly ever use them. I do think they're a waste of money, and are bought basically just to enhance a moc, but thats my opinion, yours may be different. I mean you could pick up a quality LEGO set for the price you pay for BF or BA. The thing that i have a problem with is how many i like its this got, for being a clone on a plate, there are much better creations out there that have half as many~Nick
Hehe... Well, its not my fault that people (Like you) are making a big deal about it... Gawd.
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  August 29, 2010
"No offense dude." =D
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Stuart Delahay I think you've got a very simplified viewpoint that doesn't take into account a lot of the middle ground. I'm an AFOL, I like Brickarms as accessories, I have prizes from Will for contest entries and posted something to the forums just a couple of days ago, but I mostly build purist. Partly this will be for contest rules. Partly, i've grown frustrated with people begging me to trade prototypes that i've featured in a MOC. I do think that either extreme of argument here is ridiculous. I believe that talented customizers like Jasbrick deserve a lot of credit for what they do, and purists who get the best from the TLC parts the same. What frustrates most is the purists who feel they have to talk down on third party items like BA, BF, Arealight, Hazel, MMCB, etc. and also the non-purists who post clone-on-a-plate to show off their newest traded Brickarms without actually creating anything and sorry but that's what you've posted here.
Well, Mr. Delahay, what I've posted here is my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Not to show off BA or BF, but to ask the question "Does it really matter?"
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  August 29, 2010
i've made a response to this, see it here: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/222841
  August 29, 2010
I think you've got a very simplified viewpoint that doesn't take into account a lot of the middle ground. I'm an AFOL, I like Brickarms as accessories, I have prizes from Will for contest entries and posted something to the forums just a couple of days ago, but I mostly build purist. Partly this will be for contest rules. Partly, i've grown frustrated with people begging me to trade prototypes that i've featured in a MOC. I do think that either extreme of argument here is ridiculous. I believe that talented customizers like Jasbrick deserve a lot of credit for what they do, and purists who get the best from the TLC parts the same. What frustrates most is the purists who feel they have to talk down on third party items like BA, BF, Arealight, Hazel, MMCB, etc. and also the non-purists who post clone-on-a-plate to show off their newest traded Brickarms without actually creating anything and sorry but that's what you've posted here.
  August 29, 2010
a similar argument exists in the Transformer community. are garage built accessories and custom figures still Transformers? if it doesn't say Hasbro or Takara on the figure then no they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact they look cool and add play value. On the subject of customisation. I'd say it only makes a difference if you are in competition. It would be unfair to present a customised moc up against models which only use official bricks. As for MOCpages, until the rules change to insist all MOCs have only official parts, I'd say it's a non-issue. As most of my creations are in LDD this isn't really a big deal for me.
  August 29, 2010
The only time purists have a point is in competitions, where the rules state you must use only standard lego components and only in a way that doesn't deliberately damage the plastic (ie no friction or adhesive). on those occasions, if someone tries to pass off a Brickforge or Brickarms or even a Megablock piece as official, that would be breaking the rules. Beyond that I just marvel at the quality of the results and don't really care if the Blocks were manufactured by Lego, Hasbro, Mattel, Brickarms or your uncle frank. though I'd say there was more skill involved in using standard pieces to produce a non-standard result, I don't dispute that the results of some customizers are impressive. Like others have pointed out already - when MOCpages states all MOCs must use only official Lego sets, then people will be in the right to demand customisers remove their MOCs, till then, if they dislike them so much - don't comment.
  August 29, 2010
The whole argument is stupid. Who gives a <bleep> if [the MOCcer] uses BA or BF? I sure don't. It makes me jealous, but I like BA and BF.
  August 29, 2010
See, the problem isn't purist or non-purist, it's anti-purist and anti-custom. Many great MOCers use Brickforge and Brickarms. Look closely at the BF mushrooms in one of Phippy's recent MOCs. But look at all those great purist MOCs. I don't care whether some people like or don't like to use custom elements. But I do care if someone puts down another person that has different beliefs about custom elements. And about cl0nz, clones are ok, c10nez are not. This basically means custom clones with effort put into them, like on clonearmycustoms.com are ok, while "Mi awsum cl0nz c0mmanderz" with horrible sharpie coloring, dark and blurry photos, and unreadable spelling. @Klay: As long as the Lego part of the MOC is good, adding extra details with custom pieces is fine by me. If you have a problem with Phipson using Brickforge mushrooms, then tell him. But you can't, because the MOC is too awesome to criticize for a few non-Lego elements.
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  August 29, 2010
dont hate clone, hate the person tht epic failed at coloring them.
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  August 29, 2010
I got your point. I have nothing aginst BA or BD or even painted pieces, I think it's a valid way to make thing you couldn't ever do with regular LEGO pieces, and the people who made them are very clever. The problem, however, is that many people, I'd say most of them, don't even try to make the weapon or whatever is in question with LEGO, they go directly to BA or something like that, and it's against the very idea behind LEGO, that is to use your imagination. Before you use this resourcers, you must at least try to make whatever you want with the regular pieces. I've already saw lots of amazing weapons made only with regular LEGO, and I've saw lots of cretaions using only BA... of course I'll give more credit to the one with the original pieces. So, I'd say these resources should be used only if you have no other choice to achieve what you want... But you should at least try...
  August 29, 2010
In my opinion, it's perfectly fine if someone else wants to use BA or Bf items in their mocs, while I disagree with your statement that they are essentially the same as lego, overall, I do agree that what someone else wants to do with their own thing is their own business, but they're going to have to be willing to take the flak for it... Personally, I've come up with and have seen others that have made pretty cool weapons with only legos, so in that regard, I don't understand the need for BA or BF usage... but whatever, everyone got their own views right?
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  August 29, 2010
I like it. some people just need to calm down because you add a BA gun or BF armor, nice comparison of pistols.
  August 29, 2010
Lack of creativity. For one, what's the fun of not building? Like those HUGE tacky Meg*Bl*cks, you can't build a BF or BA item. Who wants reality in a toy? LEGO was meant to enhance creativity, and without putting pieces together, LEGO is done for. -Frennd
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Matthew Novosad Yeah I saw! This also has so many views. Hope the fame doesn't go to your head though!
Actually, all this fame is KILLING me! There are so many comments.... I think Im going to suffocate....
  August 29, 2010
Yeah I saw! This also has so many views. Hope the fame doesn't go to your head though!
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  August 29, 2010
good for it!
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Matthew Novosad But you know what? Everyone has had some good points. And it really didn't turn into an argument like; Brickarms and Brickforge are evil and I will bash any MOC with them, this included. Response: BF and BA are awesome! They are just awesome and I will post just them! And so on and so forth.
Hey, did you notice this got Most Discussed today? Go look.
  August 29, 2010
But you know what? Everyone has had some good points. And it really didn't turn into an argument like; Brickarms and Brickforge are evil and I will bash any MOC with them, this included. Response: BF and BA are awesome! They are just awesome and I will post just them! And so on and so forth.
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  August 29, 2010
Hey cADE check out my tiger tank.
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Matthew Novosad Purist in my definition is some one who alters LEGO pieces in anyway shape or form, BA and BF are both made from ABS plastic just like LEGO so they are really almost the same, just not produced by the same company.
Well I guess I can't argue with that because that is YOUR definition of non purist. So.... Actually, in a way, you might be right.
  August 29, 2010
Purist in my definition is some one who alters LEGO pieces in anyway shape or form, BA and BF are both made from ABS plastic just like LEGO so they are really almost the same, just not produced by the same company.
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  August 29, 2010
Quoting Matthew Novosad I agree, they are merely TOOLS to enhance a MOC. You can't go Brick build a Bordie, and M1 Pot Helmets can you? Same with Brickforge HALO Armour. If you want the extra little detail in your MOC then use them if you want to complain all day about them go somewhere else. I am not a fan of either extremes either. If you use BF, and BA, actually you still are a purist because you are not cutting, shaving, coloring, or harming LEGO bricks. Cade and others please respond.
Well, I mean, I think if you still use BA and BF you are a non purist because BA and BF aren't produced by the lego company. They are still meant to be used like Legos, its just that they aren't.
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  August 29, 2010
I agree, they are merely TOOLS to enhance a MOC. You can't go Brick build a Bordie, and M1 Pot Helmets can you? Same with Brickforge HALO Armour. If you want the extra little detail in your MOC then use them if you want to complain all day about them go somewhere else. I am not a fan of either extremes either. If you use BF, and BA, actually you still are a purist because you are not cutting, shaving, coloring, or harming LEGO bricks. Cade and others please respond.
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  August 29, 2010
If everyone is going to be a purist I'm personaly a bit depressed knowing this year alone i have spent over £100 on brickforge brickarms and decal shops together.
  August 29, 2010
Meh, I'm a non-purist, and I think things were fine... you didn't need to make this post.
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  August 29, 2010
Guys, this entire discussion is utterly pointless. So there are people who use ONLY Legos, and people who also incorporate BF and BA into their creations. So what? What makes BF or BA not Lego? They are both made out of the same ABS plastic. Is it the LEGO logo that doesn't make it Lego? And even if that's the case, WHO CARES? Let the "Purists" think what they want, and the "Customizers" think what they want. To each his own. Trouble would only if Sean said that it HAD to ONLY be LEGO, with a LEGO LOGO. But he doesn't. So why the problem then? Just ignore them, if both are to stubborn to accept the other's ideas.
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  August 29, 2010
I really despise both extremes, I honestly don't like the BA Fanboys who can't stand to see a minifig without a Brickarms, and go as far as to critique Brickbuilt guns, and simply using guns molded by TLG, as much as I dislike the militant purists that pick on non-purists simply to make themselves feel superior. Being purist or not is not a symbol of superiority or status, merely a matter personal choice. Someone out there is surely thinking that the best builders refrain from using these items, that's more lies, I've seen more than my fair share of amazing MOCs containing these custom items (though I will admit the vast majority were on Flickr) but some of the militant purists immediately disregard a MOC because of this minor and trivial detail, why they pretentiously do that is beyond me. Here are some examples that custom items and even stickers do not "ruin" a MOC. I'll finish this up with some great examples of what I said: http://www.flickr.com/photos/commandertac/4837491751/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tito0o0o/4920831121/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/phima/4910395605/
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  August 28, 2010
MAMA MIA I MISSA DIS! HOW???? NON PURISTS FTW!!!!! Customizerz rulez.
Cade .
The Shadow Knight .
  August 28, 2010
Did you see my two new MOCs yet?
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  August 28, 2010
Dude, I'm not interested in having a long drawn out argument, but I think you're mistaken. BF and BA are usually excepted by purists. Sure, they're not made by the Lego company, but BA and BF are made to COMPLIMENT Lego, not rip off. I'm not sure who you've been talking to or hanging out with, when they say "they hate BA and BF". I think you're thinking of people who hate crap like Megabloks, Best Lock, and other clone brands. Now customizes, not necessarily looked down apon either. I'd be interested to know who you're talking to...
  August 28, 2010
No, you shouldn't, because then you'll get known as a drama queen. Starting arguments on sensitive topics like Purism and Clonietards is pretty much drama-husbandry anyway.
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  August 28, 2010
I guess you could call me a purist, but it's not that I choose to be a purist. No, no, no, I can't AFFORD being a non-purist. There are other thing that are just as cool as LEGO. But who doesn't want a gun with a revolver the size of your hand?! Well?! Just kidding. Good job! P.S. I just thought about it for a moment... and if anyone had a gun like that he/she would have trouble lifting it.
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  August 28, 2010
Man, a lot of people are making a big deal of this.... I should make more XD
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Areetsa C Yes it does: for one thing, there's no creativity involved in using custom parts, for another: every single WW2 moc I see that uses them looks exactly the same to me, because of the same weapons, same bipods, same sort of fig parts, everything. And finally? xkcd.com/386. That's the most important thing.
Uhm..... Okay?
  August 28, 2010
Yes it does: for one thing, there's no creativity involved in using custom parts, for another: every single WW2 moc I see that uses them looks exactly the same to me, because of the same weapons, same bipods, same sort of fig parts, everything. And finally? xkcd.com/386. That's the most important thing.
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  August 28, 2010
I think you're right. I'm not against using Brickarms or Brickforge at all. -Drew
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Andrew Somers The reason that I choose to be a purist is for the sake of creativity. Sure, BF and BA make neat weapons and the like, but there's not much creativity involved in the building process when they are used. I like being able to put several small parts together and surprise myself with an interesting gun design made of Lego. Sure there are times when a 'U' clip or something would come in handy, but finding a way to build around those problems makes Lego more enjoyable for me. There's my 2 cents on the matter.
No Andrew, that was 3. XD
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  August 28, 2010
I think the reason Purists are the way they are is because they like the challenge of building with only what they are given. I use decals so I guess you can't consider me a purist, but I don't use BA or BF. I was thinking about buying some... maybe going to the customizer side...
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  August 28, 2010
The reason that I choose to be a purist is for the sake of creativity. Sure, BF and BA make neat weapons and the like, but there's not much creativity involved in the building process when they are used. I like being able to put several small parts together and surprise myself with an interesting gun design made of Lego. Sure there are times when a 'U' clip or something would come in handy, but finding a way to build around those problems makes Lego more enjoyable for me. There's my 2 cents on the matter.
  August 28, 2010
heres an example of the power of creativity in a weapon http://mocpages.com/moc.php/185996
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  August 28, 2010
This MOC has a point. Using BA or BF enhances the playability and fun and VARIETY (Nobody used that word yet) in you MOC. BA, BF, etc. add an additional certain point of view, lets say. This is a big issue across MOCpages, so: YOU DONT HAVE TO LIKE BA OR BF IT IS AN ADDITION, AN ENHANCEMENT TO YOUR MOC IF PURISTS DISLIKE BA, BF AND ETC. THATS FINE. IT ISNT AN EASY WAY OUT CUSTOMIZERS DONT JUST USE BA OR BF THEY ALSO MAKE CUSTOM WEAPONS. (if you haven't figured out yet im a customizer XD)
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  August 28, 2010
89...
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  August 28, 2010
EXACTLY...
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  August 28, 2010
Not including my comments
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  August 28, 2010
Sense yesterday, I've gotten 88 comments O_____O
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  August 28, 2010
ur gettin alot of comments cuz people care about this arguement for soem reason, i dont, i jus tlike talking to people in arguements and messing dumb$#!% up
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Eric Mickle I disagree. I would rather like to blow the brains out of Nazi zombies with that pistol.
Would you rather go with playability and amazing detail, or hardly any detail and virtually no playability?
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  August 28, 2010
I disagree. I would rather like to blow the brains out of Nazi zombies with that pistol.
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting The Shadow Knight . Did you see my two new MOCs yet?
Yes. DAAANNNNGGG.... I've been getting a lot of comments sense yesterday....
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  August 28, 2010
@The Shadow Knight .- CUSTOMIZERS FTW!!!!
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting The Shadow Knight . MAMA MIA I MISSA DIS! HOW???? NON PURISTS FTW!!!!! Customizerz rulez.
YEAH! THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!
  August 28, 2010
I just think that your a way more skilled builder if you make your own weapons from real Lego pieces.
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  August 28, 2010
I am more of a purist than anything but it is only about megablox. I have had so mony bad expiences with them. I like brickarms and brickforge but I feel better if I make something cool rather than just buying it. I have aw couple brickarms pieces that I use for my zombie series (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/221301) but I try to stick to legos more then buying parts.
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  August 28, 2010
olo... i cant even spell IM language right! :O
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting that guy over there really, thx ima get 1 soon!
If you can, get more than 1 ;)
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  August 28, 2010
really, thx ima get 1 soon!
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting that guy over there hey was the BA lee-enfield a good buy? just wondering... i might get one... yep, im customizer, SUE ME!
It was an awesome buy. I have 6 regular Enfields, and I got a green one for one of my free weapons.
  August 28, 2010
hey was the BA lee-enfield a good buy? just wondering... i might get one... yep, im customizer, SUE ME!... actually plz dont sue me...:p
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  August 28, 2010
i have soemthing to say to all of those purists out there: we customizers have nothing against you(that i know of anyway) and we just think BA, BF, etc. are just cool, it makes the moc look more like we want it, so stop sayin' that it's a shortcut or that it shouldn't be done, cuz it doesn't really matter. this whole arguement is completely pointless cuz it doesn't matter at all. YA HEAR ME! IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL!!!!! PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO BUY NON-LEGO PRODUCTS AND THEN PUT THEM IN THEIR MOCS IF THEY WANT TO! AND PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO PUT ONLY LEGO PRODUCTS IN THEIR MOCS IF THEY WANT TO!!!!! REGARDLESS IT'S A MOC! THAT'S ALL IT IS, A MOC!!!!! THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT'S UNHOLY OR SOME DUMB$#!% LIKE THAT! IT'S A CHILDERN'S TOY PEOPLE! JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT! CUSTOMIZE! DON'T CUSTOMIZE! DO WHATEVER!!!!!
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Sebeus I what I really don't like is to see how people cut and glue pieces to make nasty 'tools' that look like nothing
I knew I was missing something to this....
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  August 28, 2010
I'm a purist and I have nothing against brickarms, just not in my mocs, what I really don't like is to see how people cut and glue pieces to make nasty 'tools' that look like nothing
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Yuri Fassio I'm a purist. I think BA, sharpies, decals and other customizations are just easy shortcuts for those who don't know how to make similar things out of LEGO. You see, when you build a soldier for a MOC, you don't need the EXACT weapons. Just, well, some weapons. That's why most LEGO props are so generic, so they can be used in a multitude of situations. This does not prevent me from appreciating the value of the rest of the MOC, but if it's wholly bases on the custom stuff, well...
You're the Surrealism master, right? Can you give me pointers on my Red Lights series?
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  August 28, 2010
I'm a purist. I think BA, sharpies, decals and other customizations are just easy shortcuts for those who don't know how to make similar things out of LEGO. You see, when you build a soldier for a MOC, you don't need the EXACT weapons. Just, well, some weapons. That's why most LEGO props are so generic, so they can be used in a multitude of situations. This does not prevent me from appreciating the value of the rest of the MOC, but if it's wholly bases on the custom stuff, well...
  August 28, 2010
you have some points but i thought Lego was about creativity not ordering something that can only really be used as what its meant to be of the internet so what if actual Lego pistols are chunky he can make his own pulsey majigy or buy himself a starwars battle-pack and use them guns.
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  August 28, 2010
I love it! and I think that it doesn't really matter if it's Purist or not I mean, they are both customs in different ways and in my opinion, I agree with you how BA and BF and other stuff like that get more fun of LEGO and it turns the MOC alive so you actually enjoy playing. Brickarms has made my day ever since I bought them because most of us don't have enough LEGO parts to make the "Purist" Fig or weapon and Brickarms I think has the most realism of weapons no matter how good "Purist builders" make them, and also lets say you want to make a Halo Spartan, if it is purist it won't be as good as what Brickforge makes since it has everything a Spartan would look like. To close it off, I think it doesn't matter if purist or not just that non purist MOCs look more alive.
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  August 28, 2010
EXACTLY! i like the swat guy... smexy BA pulse rifle indeed...
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  August 28, 2010
This is good, but it's weird. I don't even get it; put up an argument in a group. also, I'm removed from darx again.
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Dr. Klay
Quoting The Pie Eater . No, no, no. You don't get what Im trying to say. If you add BA or BF things to your MOC, its still a moc, isn't it? Unless you post the BA or BF thing by itself, then thats not a MOC.
Still, it's not "Share your LEGO/BA/BF creations."
Okay. So if this has BA and BF in it, its not a MOC at all? Hehe... i think not.
  August 28, 2010
i think an equal balance is good
  August 28, 2010
Quoting The Pie Eater . No, no, no. You don't get what Im trying to say. If you add BA or BF things to your MOC, its still a moc, isn't it? Unless you post the BA or BF thing by itself, then thats not a MOC.
Still, it's not "Share your LEGO/BA/BF creations."
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  August 28, 2010
Quoting Dr. Klay I disagree. The slogan is "Share your LEGO creations", not "Share your BA and BF and Decal Creations." There is a reason as to why LEGO doesn't make those things that BA and BF do.
No, no, no. You don't get what Im trying to say. If you add BA or BF things to your MOC, its still a moc, isn't it? Unless you post the BA or BF thing by itself, then thats not a MOC.
  August 28, 2010
I disagree. The slogan is "Share your LEGO creations", not "Share your BA and BF and Decal Creations." There is a reason as to why LEGO doesn't make those things that BA and BF do.
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  August 28, 2010
im a bit of both i dont customize unless im making something that needs it i see your reasons
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  August 28, 2010
I customize figs with the parts I already have,you dont need to buy them!
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  August 28, 2010
I agree with this. Customizers spend LOTS of money, way more that Purists, to make their MOCs look good, and then the Purists trash them.
 
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