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Spirit of Fire...or...Eye of Chaos?
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For God's sake, people, the fate of the universe hangs in the balance...a decision has GOT to be made!
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Alright fellow brick-addicts, I'm in serious need of your opinions (on THIS subject, I might add...talking to Shaddix, Vonthako, and the rest of my fellow smartazzes!)

For several months now, I've been interested in doing another ship about the size of the Invisible Hand. I've found the perfect candidate in this ship called the Spirit of Fire (from the game, Halo Wars)...

The down side is that the above image is the ONLY decent pic of this sexy hunk of metal that I've been able to find. A few select cut scenes found on Youtube show poorly lit and blurred images of the ship. But, I've not been able to find anything with shots from overhead, below, or the aft section. All of this means that if I were to attempt a model of this ship, there would be massive flaws in proportions and details.

So here's what I'm up to right now, and I'd love to get your thoughts on it...


I'm currently attempting a variation of sorts. I've given the working name, the Eye of Chaos (as part of Brian Kescenovitz's Dawn Forge theme, which he seemed pretty stoked about), but I keep coming back to this overwhelming urge (shut it, Phipson!) to attempt the Spirit of Fire despite the inevitable problems it will have when finished.

As an example, take a look at the pic below. Hopefully you can see the differences between what I've put together and the actual picture from which I'm working. I made a lot of subtle changes, and this is how I'd approach the entire build.


So my questions to all of you are:

Do you know of any good reference pictures of the Spirit of Fire? If not, what would YOU do if it was up to you? A potentially inaccurate replica, or a variation in the form of the Eye of Chaos?

While I'll eventually make up my own mind on this, I thought perhaps one of you might provide me with some new insights or valid points that will help me decide. So thanks for taking a moment to check out this post, and any help would be greatly appreciated!


Update: November 17, 2009 - Thanks to so many for some great tips, advice, and links for reference! I've managed to come up with a solution that I'm REALLY excited about. Look for journal entries as the build progresses and I'll explain more there, but meanwhile one more word of thanks to everyone for their input!



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  January 11, 2013
Congratulations on MOTD, great to have a reminder of how far it's progressed from back then. Can't wait to see it finished!
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  January 11, 2013
Awesome!
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  January 11, 2013
Quoting Brick Boy This thing is in desperate need of a parental suggestion warning!
I'm sorry, but WHERE do you get that?
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  January 11, 2013
Quoting El Barto ! Congrats on MOTD! Still workin' on this?
Believe it or not, it's FINALLY getting close to completion. Just the engines left to do and she's done...about time!!!!!
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  January 11, 2013
I was just looking at the invisible hand... You are a master. Even this simple piece of a ship puts my models to shame, excuse me while I go cry in the corner that I can't build this.
  January 11, 2013
This thing is in desperate need of a parental suggestion warning!
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  January 11, 2013
Congrats on MOTD! Still workin' on this?
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  January 11, 2013
Wow, awesome!
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  August 28, 2012
Very detailed so far. and well i dont know any pics, but i do have an idea, you could youtube halo wars cutscenes, and pause it on the parts with the spirit of fire ^_^ just an idea. :3
  June 25, 2011
OMG, i SO wish i could build that, but 1: i dont have da money, 2:i dont no how 1100/5! :)
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  June 13, 2011
super cool :)
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  April 13, 2011
The halo encyclopedia and halopedia (think wikipedia for halo) both have good images and details on the spirit of fire and other things that can be used as references.
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  March 20, 2010
Quoting Jalla J. i still say get the game, it may not be liked by the Halo people, but they probably don't like strategy. there are several cut scenes of it, and you even play on the top of the ship, so i would get the game and look at it as much as you can. it's an easy game and if you do not want to do all the game playing, have a friend to do it and when a cut scene or the levels come, you can tell him what to look at and where to go.
The design of the ship in game play isn't the same as the ship in the cut scenes, unfortunately. But that's okay, since I've now decided on my work being a sister ship. And as for the cut scenes, they've helped immensely (all of them are on Youtube...gotta love that!). Thanks for the tips, though.
Mark Kelso
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Dr. N
  March 19, 2010
cool ship...I don't know much about either ship you're making, but if the ship is named Spirit of Fire and is grey and black, the name just doesn't fit. It needs reed or orange, or at least an fire-like insignia. Eye of chaos sounds cool, man.
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  March 19, 2010
Yeah, Spirit Of Chaos
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  March 19, 2010
How strange that the very day after posting the second journal entry, this becomes MOC of the Day.
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  March 19, 2010
i still say get the game, it may not be liked by the Halo people, but they probably don't like strategy. there are several cut scenes of it, and you even play on the top of the ship, so i would get the game and look at it as much as you can. it's an easy game and if you do not want to do all the game playing, have a friend to do it and when a cut scene or the levels come, you can tell him what to look at and where to go.
  March 19, 2010
Spirit of Chaos.
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  March 19, 2010
Awsome! So you're not done with it yet?!?! man, that's gonna be HUGE!!!
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  March 19, 2010
A most excellent design, and while the Spirit of Fire would be amazing, the Eye of Chaos looks and sounds promising. But the Halo encyclopedia would be an excellent investment for this type of build I think. Also, grats on mocotd!
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  March 19, 2010
Congratz on MOTD, and good luck with this mega-proejct. Looking forward to see progress on this!
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  March 19, 2010
Replica or something else, It really does not matter, because you always make things look great. But if you are trying to build the real thing, and there are no pictures of it, why don't you take another spaceship, were you can find enough information from, and then just build it. To me it is not WHAT you build, but HOW you build it, and yes the spirit of Fire is a fine baby to be born. So I would say let your imagination go and start building. We'll love it.
  March 19, 2010
You could look on HALOPEDIA...
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  February 3, 2010
Nicely done so far! There's a new animated HALO video out called HALO Legends. I'm not sure if it shows this ship, but it's worth a look.
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  January 31, 2010
You are a real Lego worker, not a Moc. Do you also have a site of this or something, this and all your other project should be officially registered and sold as independant sets. I wish you all the best in further projects.
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  January 23, 2010
I'm really expecting accomplishment of this project.
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  January 19, 2010
there are pictures in the halo encyclopieda and its only 40 dollars with every thing halo you will ever need.
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  December 21, 2009
I don´z know if you still need pictures but there exists a halo movie in which the Spirit of Fire can be seen often. The movie´s called Halo Wars. I found it on kino.to but that´s a german site, but I´m sure you´ll find another site where the video is linked. If not, just ask me.
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  December 8, 2009
halo wars isn't that good a game anyway...
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  December 4, 2009
I was thinking you might try a different ship. There's another sci-fi series called "Stargate Universe" in which people are stranded on an immense ship. It's called the "Destiny", has a interesting design, and there are plenty of quality pics. Just a suggestion.
Mark Kelso
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Commander Hawke
  November 28, 2009
WHAT IS AN AMBASSADOR ON MOCPAGES!
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  November 28, 2009
nice spaceship, lots of detailes. I also checked out your art page, and it is fantastic, I you have a wonderfull tallent, and I really mean it ;)
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  November 22, 2009
Nice er... ship... `~m0s3s'-----*
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  November 19, 2009
It's refreshing to see some mocs not to minifig scale, more to the point, great build, i've never played halo so i have no real clue but it looks, from the real picutre, that you've caught the design quite accurately, or at least as far as i can tell :) (eye of chaos for me, kinda cliche but it works)
  November 17, 2009
I feel rude in asking this. But do you mind looking at my C.O.P. sig when you can? I'd like your opinion. Like what should I improve. Stuff like that. Don't have to though. And good luck on your star cruiser thing.
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  November 16, 2009
Definately Spirit of Fire. And i found the best refrence. A googlesketchup file http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=3c0cd3f734ec09526a43a63ef940b65b&prevstart=0
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  November 15, 2009
I think the Spirit of Fire would be cooler but hey its your decision
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  November 15, 2009
I have your solution. Im new to the comment thing but here goes. I recentlry stumbled on a Halo encyclopedia book in a local bookstore. I saw a whole page of the Spirit of Fire. I love it too. U can purchase it at any bookstore.
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  November 14, 2009
Eye or chaos.....
Mark Kelso
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Capt. Swagger
  November 13, 2009
Love it. Maybe "Soul of Annihilation" or "Heart of Destruction".
  November 13, 2009
variation. definetly.
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  November 13, 2009
Maybe you could GET THE GAME and see it, there are two levels where you play on the top of it.
  November 12, 2009
I love how ever since the Clone Wars scourge has overtaken MOCpages, a lot of us oldtimers are thinking, "You know, Halo Lego wasn't really so bad..."
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  November 12, 2009
well im not sure about any advice but since i have the game i would just look at the game if i was building
  November 11, 2009
Try looking up halo wars genesis. Its a graphic novel that includes the spirit of fire. Best of luck.
  November 11, 2009
Mighty MOC it baby.
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  November 11, 2009
Oh criminy, this is just a mock up model. I got to read the descrips more often. I was thinking, what is the fuss? This micro-scale MOC is a step back, or ten, for Kelso. I was thinking Kelso had a stroke and everyone is just being nice to him 'cause this is the best he can do now... What a relief, he's just fiddling with an idea here. Yah, go for it Kelso, you'll have tons of fun. It looks like an awesome ship to do, and expensive, from the pic you got there.
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  November 11, 2009
hmm. interesting, the bridge looks great already! if you want my opinion, id say keep the basic design of the...whatever its called-halo thing, but then make it some sort of variant to it, allowing more creativity. or you could totally ditch that and build some super star destroyer...loads of greebles....*drools*...greebles...
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  November 10, 2009
Huum, I see, I tried to find more pictures but there aren't as you told us, its a very hard ship to make but in my opinion, is a beatiful ship, its has a "Moder Science Fiction" look and it has a very "brutal", powerful shape, as we could see the bridge, I can say that the bridge you've made its very nice! I think if you modify it it will be a great result! The shape its very important but maybe these small details could be easily moddifed, personaly, I loved the bridge design, the shape its accurate and its very well designed! Well, thats it, hope it helped ! Good luck!
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  November 10, 2009
Oh, just go with your own ship. Modify the Spirit, I don't know!
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  November 10, 2009
Thats a tough choice Kelso. Im not sure an inaccurate attempt at a ship would be good. Likewise the idea of doing a replica does suite you well. I would have to say Try a personal version "spirit of Fire (here it comes!) Variant" Anyways it looks great. good work as always.
  November 8, 2009
Ok, now I'm excited. So, the Eye of Chaos is the sistership of the Spirit of Fire? Or the SOF was destroyed and rebuilt later...or captured and modified...? Too many possibilities...better start building yesterday! I'm not that patient :P
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  November 8, 2009
I thought I'd never see the day when Kelso turned to the dark side - Halo mocs. Anyway... I would scrap the notion of trying to make a replica. My head is ready to explode from putting in all the little details in designing the Super Star Destroyer. When I post the next progress pics in a few weeks, you'll see why! You should forget the Halo ship altogether and make your own using the dawn forge theme. Besides, the Fire may not be so cool after all, it has some strange similarities with the Commerce Guild Support Destroyer from Episode III, especially near the middle.
Mark Kelso
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Kir Kanos Kalinka
  November 7, 2009
Why not make your own entirely? I'm sure you could design your own Halo style SHIP. And if you're not willing go ahead and give the spirit of fire a go.
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  November 7, 2009
Oh yes, the shape of thing is right up mu alley, it will look awsome Mark, I hope you go ahead with it. Man the mock up model is popular enough, the larger scale will be off the charts!
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  November 7, 2009
Spirit of fire definately!
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  November 7, 2009
spirit of fire you have the skill
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  November 7, 2009
I like where you're going with this. Although if it was me I would make a super-sized Daedalus from Stargate. But that's just me...
Mark Kelso
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Andrew K.
  November 6, 2009
Well, if you consider me a smart donkey, not very good, but very good. So 4 out of 5. It's not very acurate. You Invisible Hand has a lot more details! But it's not very good, but very good.~AK
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  November 6, 2009
I can't wait to see this! I expect some really great and creative ideas so keep us posted on it's progress!
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  November 6, 2009
I would go use the Google 3-D warehouse and see if there is a Spirit of Fire there you could look off of. Then I would probabley play the game to get a really good look at it. But it looks great so far, keep it up.
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  November 6, 2009
Wow, it looks great so far. I think you should make it simmilar to the real thing, but with your own designs in some parts to make it look more original. Looking forward to seeing this finished. ~ J
  November 6, 2009
Mark, having seen examples of your paintings, I completely understand how you relish the challenge of recreating something in a chosen medium. I love the idea of some sort of mix (especially with the storytelling element!) and now I'm really getting excited when I think about Brickworld '10!
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  November 6, 2009
Looks like a great start! I tend to agree that it is difficult to create a likeness that already exists. The colors and shapes can be very unforgiving. I'm looking forward to seeing how this project progresses.
  November 6, 2009
wonderful, mark. excellent compromise.
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  November 6, 2009
Thanks SO MUCH to everyone for all of the comments and input. I've actually come to a decision that will allow me to do a bit of both...It will be the Eye of Chaos, but it will also be Halo, AND include a short back story involving both the Spirit of Fire and the Eye of Chaos...*rubs hands greedily* Oh, this is gonna be GOOD!
Mark Kelso
Blade Bat
  November 5, 2009
what I am saying is that in the DF guide lines it says to keap it some what realistic. Now if you were to let this in it would be able to go in but would be a little out of place and bend the rules.
Mark Kelso
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Nunoyo Bizznizz
  November 5, 2009
You sir, are a braver man than I. I have no help, but I've encountered said problem before when looking for source material. It's all kinds of frustrating. You'd think with all the sci=fi/video game geeks...er...aficionados, with an internet connection, source material would be easier to come by. Finally, if my opinion counts, I've always wanted to see a Kelso-built Battlestar. Yes, I know there are a few out there, but none as fitting a tribute as you'd come up with. My two cents.
  November 5, 2009
I would love to see you take on the challenge of the "Spirit of Fire" build. My brother read your post and came up with the "brilliant" suggestion that you "simply" buy an "Xbox360" and a copy of "HaloWars". But since you are such good friends with Brian Kescenovitz, can't you just pay him a visit and play his a bit? Just saying... Though Creativity would flow more freely with the "Eye of Chaos" thing, I think you could do a splendid "Spirit of Fire".
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  November 5, 2009
This as probably already been mentioned before. But my advice for good reference pics would be simply this. Get ahold of Bungie. If you go at it the right way and present your project (along with pics of like, the invisible hand to show your aptitude) then I would think that you stand a pretty good chance of getting in touch with the 3-d modellers and being able to "work" with them so that you can get the proportions right and whatnot. This is all speculation but it's my BEST speculation. Good luck either way. Pieces ~ Nowhereman
  November 5, 2009
If you could acquire an xbox I might just be able to send the game over for a few months... but no promises. Also I found a video showing some of the detail on the top of the hull, hope this helps and thanks for the reply! Edit:Somebody created a 3d model too: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=3c0cd3f734ec09526a43a63ef940b65b&prevstart=0 Just so you know you will need Google Sketchup to use it.
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  November 5, 2009
Eye of Chaos. Let the creativity flow. Besides, it's a lot less frustrating when you can build whatever you want. Just my humble opinion.
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  November 5, 2009
yeah...and why not make it in yellow and lime green? Now THERE's a challenge...
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  November 5, 2009
This is going to be fun! Can't wait. What's up with you and Lee with the whole HALO thing? It certainly looks detailed already.
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  November 5, 2009
If it would up to me, I would build an potentially "inaccurate" version, because I think with this one picture and the cutscenes AND your skills you could build an very accurate "inaccurate" version!!! By the way, I have the same problem with one of my WIP, a Keldabe from EAW: Forces of Corruptions, the reference pictures aren't really good and in the game itself you didn't see the details! - Kevin
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  November 5, 2009
Another masterpiece is on it's verge of creation...looks promising so far... Refering to your question. I sometimes transverse reference material into lego and while the process do inaccurate elements. As this is your piece of work any change is valid. If the Halo company pais you for this build, stay as accurate as possible, if not stick to the reference but be loose on the interpretation. The outcome will definitely honour the reference.
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  November 5, 2009
This is great, It has very much detail (fact that I like), I really like the form of the body part BTW if you have time plz check out tthis http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/132211
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  November 5, 2009
Quoting Ryan Hanson As for those requesting Pillar of Autumn, Lee Jones has it under way at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/162280.
Yeah, I was actually looking at the POA when Lee and I first talked about him giving it a shot (he's got that covered 110%!!!)...It's going to be a heck of a year for Halo in 2010! Ha! Now if we could just talk Kescenovitz into doing that Frigate he likes so well!
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  November 5, 2009
Quoting Space Pirate To be honest, I don't think that it is that simple. You can't say that replicating something is more difficult. It always depends on what you are building
Very true.
Quoting Space Pirate It's pretty much up to you whether you follow that strict shapes and ideas of your original concept or give up and just use another part for that section.
Yeah, that was my basic thought when suggesting something from the imagination is more flexible and forgiving.
Quoting Space Pirate It rather looks like you use that reference pic and change some bits while building. I can see that you don't enjoy that, as it is not much of a challenge...
I wouldn't say I don't enjoy building one way over another (for example, I had a ball doing the Rusty Ferret, which was a variation of a design), but they're too different approaches, and not being certain of the direction I wanted to take with this build, I thought I'd get others' take on it. BTW, good comments, thanks!
  November 5, 2009
To be honest, I don't think that it is that simple. You can't say that replicating something is more difficult. It always depends on what you are building. Do you think in Lego bricks when using your imagination? I guess not. So when you build according to your own ideas, where's the difference? It's pretty much up to you whether you follow that strict shapes and ideas of your original concept or give up and just use another part for that section. Nobody would see that accuracy though, probably that's what bothers you. I don't know whether you already have a concept. It rather looks like you use that reference pic and change some bits while building. I can see that you don't enjoy that, as it is not much of a challenge...
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  November 5, 2009
Great start! and I recommend: Buy Halo wars for reference!
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  November 5, 2009
I think you've got a great start here. I definitely think either project would be worthwhile, but my vote is for the Spirit of Fire, provided you find good picks. As for those requesting Pillar of Autumn, Lee Jones has it under way at http://mocpages.com/moc.php/162280.
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  November 5, 2009
Hmm... personally, I never make with LEGO what I can alredy see elsewhere. I mean, it's already there, no reason to make another. I don't think I'm the only one who'd love to see what you can come up with using your imagination... well, I guess you just like the challenge of getting the look of something right.
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  November 5, 2009
Quoting Shannon Ocean Replicas are a dime-a-dozen, show us what's inside that twisted mind of yours and really go nuts with your own variantion.
Interesting; a lot here have presented that perspective. Personally, I think replicating something in Lego is much more challenging than doing something from your own head. If you're making it up, you can just pick this part or that; it's much more free and forgiving. But, finding the proper combination of pieces to recreate something very specific can be EXTREMELY difficult and inflexible. If you get something wrong, everyone knows it. And I think my interest in recreating the SOF lies in the challange of finding solutions to all of the puzzles that the ship's form and detailing presents. But then, as an artist I find making something up very easy - for others it might not be so. Hmm...this sounds like a good topic for one of our groups.
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  November 5, 2009
I agree with shannon in a sense. I say, why need to base it off of something? Why not spend 138 more hours planning it. I mean... it seems like you got a lot of time on your hands, and then give it your own fancy name?
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  November 5, 2009
I still say Chariots of Fire. That scene on the beach where they're running, with the theme song pounding in your ears, is the finest bit of film footage ever shot.
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  November 5, 2009
Replica-shmeplica! Eye of Chaos! Eye of Chaos! Replicas are a dime-a-dozen, show us what's inside that twisted mind of yours and really go nuts with your own variantion. If you're, you know, MAN ENOUGH...;)
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  November 5, 2009
definately the spirit of fire, since if it would be inaccurate it would still be awesome!
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  November 5, 2009
hmm. I'd say that for best picture quality, buy the actual game. if you don't want to spend the sixty bucks and don't have an xbox 360, then I'd go to halopedia or something for reference pics. either the Spirit of Fire or your "Eye of Chaos" would be excellent builds though. I'm confident in that.
Mark Kelso
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George Kemper
  November 4, 2009
Yes you finally showed it to the public! Been hard to keep it in for what, afew months now? Anyways it looking great and personally I think a Spirit of Fire would be sweet. But you really can't mess up a ship it just go's against nature. Mark Kelso builing a ship = amazing results no matter what. Oh and did you see that your a movie star now?-George
Mark Kelso
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Blade Bat
  November 4, 2009
You can't use this for Dawn Forge because DF is not space just read the guide lines http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=1648&topicid=4230 guide lines
Mark Kelso
Blade Bat
  November 4, 2009
from what you have allready make me think of this http://mocpages.com/moc.php/678 so maybe you could base it off of that and make it for your own theme.
Mark Kelso
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Dave Shaddix
  November 4, 2009
have you considered getting the game?
Mark Kelso
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Dave Shaddix
  November 4, 2009
I don't want to hear about investment from you sir. ...exactly how big and how much do you think this project will cost when all is said and done?
Mark Kelso
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Dave Shaddix
  November 4, 2009
Dawn Forge is in space now?!?!?! AWESOME!!!
Mark Kelso
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Dave Shaddix
  November 4, 2009
Why don't you just check out some of the Halo Wars sets by MEGA BLOKS? I'm sure they will prove an excellent resource for images and elements for you!
  November 4, 2009
Quoting Hans No, it was the 'Dirty Phipson'.
Your wife's been telling you stories about me again hasn't she?
Quoting Hans Seriously though, the golden rule is: you can't please everyone, so why not please yourself?
Sounds like a motto you put a lot of stock in. Don't worry, according to Mark, there's no shame in it... HAHAHA Man it's been a while since some good smack. It's been a good day and thanks to all the good sports who have been the brunt of my bad humor.
  November 4, 2009
I was thinking almost the same thing before I commented. Have you ever concidered the "Pillar Of Autumn"? If so. Please reply whenever you can.~ Lite
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  November 4, 2009
Quoting tofuntomiss . If you like any of my suggestions I'd appreciate a reply, thanks!
Some good suggestions, but unfortunately not a lot of luck. I went through the cut scenes one by one and found a bit more than I already had. It might be enough piece together the general proportions, but nothing really concrete. And if I were to do it, I'd really want to do the ship justice. Thanks very much for those tips, though!
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  November 4, 2009
Well I see you've already heard from everyone who's opinion really matters, oh and Chris too. I think I'm with the majority in saying 'Chariots of Fire' is the best idea ever. I mean the 'Rusty Kelso'. No, it was the 'Dirty Phipson'. Seriously though, the golden rule is: you can't please everyone, so why not please yourself? If you know you can build something better than a copy, do that. Great start by the way...~H
  November 4, 2009
The easiest way to acquire reference pictures would be to simply play it but seeing as that is not an option I'd suggest trying to find a digital model, such as on sketchup maybe. Have you looked at the game play footage. The level which you play on the hull is called "Cleansing" Another option you may consider could be to get the Halo wars: Genisis prequel as it has a few pics of the spirit of fire at different angles. Also, have you ckecked Bungie.org? They have some high-res versions of the cutscenes. If you like any of my suggestions I'd appreciate a reply, thanks! Linkies: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_Wars:_Genesis http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cleansing_(level) http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/cutscenes/halowars.html
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  November 4, 2009
Very cool, it loks great already. I hope you find a good reference pic. I can't wait to see how it turns out!
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  November 4, 2009
i like your building something from halo, and while i dont know any pictures of the spirit of fire, you coyulod borrow hyalo wars and an xbox 360
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  November 4, 2009
Here's what I'd do, being the lazy __ I am. Perhaps try to do a replica, but if it doesn't turn out, call it the Eye of Chaos?
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  November 4, 2009
Having never played any Halo game, and having seen the Spirit of Fire now for the first time, I've gotta say, it looks like a pretty awesome ship. However, I must say that at that scale, and with only one decent image, you're going to be pretty hard-pressed to find a way to depict it accurately. Perhaps you could "borrow" somebody's X-BOX and get some images from there? If that doesn't work, than you should probably just build the Eye of Chaos. Either, way it'll be an awesome ship! Thats the only advice I have, and so all I can say now is, have fun =)
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  November 4, 2009
I got two words for ya (no, not those two... later). "Rusty Ferret". My advice would be to base your ship off of this design but make it your own. You're too creative to have to replicate brick for brick here. Take the basic concept and turn it into something BETTER than the ship you're basing it off of. But of course, you knew I was going to say that being as we share the same brain and all. Speaking of which, can I borrow it next Tuesday? I've got a thing with this chick and she said something about giving good brain... not sure exactly what she meant but I figured I'd better go in armed and ready. ~ Chris.
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  November 4, 2009
I think you should do Chariots of Fire. ATTENTION HALO FREAKS AND DAWN FORGE FANBOYS: that is what is known in the business as a joke. Go for the Eye of Chaos -- I don't think you're going to get enough of a look at SoF to meet your standards for the build; however, if and when you get the right background material for SoF, I'd love to see you tackle it as well.
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  November 4, 2009
I think you should do Chariots of Fire. ATTENTION HALO FREAKS AND DAWN FORGE FANBOYS: that is what is known in the business as a joke. Go for the Eye of Chaos -- I don't think you're going to get enough of a look at SoF to meet your standards for the build; however, if and when you get the right background material for SoF, I'd love to see you tackle it as well.
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  November 4, 2009
Oh! Sorry for the double-post but I just remembered something that may help: The collectors edition of Halo Wars came with a comic book that showed all kinds of angles for the Spirit of Fire. I've got it so if you thought it would help I would be glad to send you some pictures of it.
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  November 4, 2009
Personally I would love to see a builder of your caliber do the Spirit of Fire simply because Halo builds get a lot of smack these days. Definataly refer to the link a couple posts down because I distinctly remember the last few cut scenes having a lot of shots of The Spirit of Fire. I'll continue looking but at the moment, the cut scenes are your best bet.
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  November 4, 2009
I found a pic of the top half, don't know if you have seen this already: http://www.halowars.com/assets/joe/scn11_SOF_mg_010.jpg Hope this project turns out good.
  November 4, 2009
Just so that you know, i own halo wars and on level 11 *cleansing* and level 12 *repairs* you command units on top of the ship protecting it from the flood. If you could find gameplay footage of that level, you may get more details of the ships top and maybe the sides too. Also, this site: http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/cutscenes/halowars.html has high definition copies of the cut scenes to download. Hope this helps.
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  November 4, 2009
Mark, build Halo? Oh my...
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  November 4, 2009
Whatever it is it's a fantastic piece of work! i like the engines on the back too!
  November 4, 2009
Eye of Chaos, I think. But then, I don't like halo very much.
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  November 4, 2009
Like I said before: Funny thing about advice - one generally only asks when one knows what needs to be done, but they just don't want to do it. If it can't be done accurately enough to your standards, then go with the eye. Lee.
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  November 4, 2009
Awesome comments, gang; thanks so much! And I'm already seeing some pretty consistent thinking on the matter, which helps immensely.
  November 4, 2009
Personally, I would go with the Eye of Chaos. Yes, it will be similar, but that's just it. Similar. If you try to do the Spirit of Fire, it WILL look flawed, and possibly not be as popular amongst fans for that. You are a renowned builder, and a majority of people expect top quality, and that includes accuracy. However, if you make a ship of your own similar design, you have room for error. Hence, you can't be shot down for something not looking exactley like something else, because it isn't supposed to. That's my opinion.
  November 4, 2009
Nice to see that you are up to something huge! Id don't haev any pictures, but if I were you, I would try to make it based on that picture, and maybe adding a little bit of my own.
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  November 4, 2009
I think you should base it on the Spirit of Fire, mainly because of that way you can make small improvements to it and make it your own, but also because of you might accidently become some sort of "Halo god" and get 400,000,000 comments in two days (seriously, look at the comments for the Invisible Hand. I mean, I love it, it is IMMENSE, but count the people with "Commander" as a prefix for their name. Now imagine them with "ODST" instead.) Just saying, you AFOL seem to give the Halo fans a hard time, I can imagine how you would feel. :P
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  November 4, 2009
try to look for the ending of halo wars to see the aft as it flies around the star inside the dyson sphere.
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  November 4, 2009
And, Blade Bat, I have no idea what you are talking about. In the link you provided, I don’t address DF spacecraft at all. You may have been thinking of the following thread in which I talk about DF spacecraft, but I certainly don’t prohibit them. In fact, I specifically cite HALO U.N.S.C spacecraft as the perfect inspiration for a DF ship, so Mark is right on the money. http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=1648&topicid=4235 And BTW, Mark, what you have so far looks great, whatever it ends up being.
  November 4, 2009
btw, that's a very accurate piece you've made so far, I think I found a good pic some time ago but I can't find it anylonger, maybe I'm going to rent the game (I own an xbox) so I can take good screenshots, just for you :) and for myself because I'm dying to see the result already
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  November 4, 2009
Mark, I know we’ve talked about this many times, but I thought I would put my opinion here in case anyone else is wondering. Of course my vote is for the Eye Of Chaos, but I know you have a fire burning inside you to build the S.O.F. that just won’t go out. You are guaranteed more exposure outside the LEGO community if you build the S.O.F., but I think it needs to be a pretty accurate rendition, both to satisfy your own high standards and to withstand the scrutiny of the HALO fanboys. A “Well, it’s close…” version just doesn’t make sense to me, and will not have the staying power of a truly accurate replica. So my opinion is, if you know in your heart you can pull of an accurate S.O.F. despite the difficulties, then absolutely go for it, but if not, let the creative juices flow and build the Eye.
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  November 4, 2009
Seems tricky... like a shot in the dark. So this is going to be as big as your invisble hand? That might be easy, your hand ain't so big anyway :D Good luck.
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  November 4, 2009
no...not possible...you're actually going to build, wait...you've already started ?! ... anyway, "halo" ... who are you ? and what have you done to the real Kelso ? oh well, I guess your interests in massive spaceships is greater than your hate for halo, I want to see the result anyway, keep it up
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  November 4, 2009
well, you picked a difficult ship to build mark, not to mention the lack of images on the net about it...i dont know about those ships, but, you could always try others, there this very popular comparison size chart on the internet of the most well known BIG ships, heres a handy link: http://www.freewebs.com/apoco/1188876468445.png . I hope one of it pleases you, hope i could help :)
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  November 4, 2009
I would say that even building an exact replica is subject to 'your interpretation', as you choose which bricks will represent the different parts of a MOC. It is always nice to make an accurate representation, but you may make a better and cooler ship than the graphic artist did. I say go for it, and Eye of Chaos gets my vote. Keep searching for pics tho, they will decrease future frustration levels.
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  November 4, 2009
eye of chaos its add more of an impact
  November 4, 2009
In my opinion, LEGO is all about creativity, so I would allways prefer someone's own creating above an exact replica of something that someone else has created. So my preference would be the EYE OF CHAOS. And in the end, you will propably have created a better ship than the Spirit of Fire.
  November 4, 2009
Well Mark, I searched on the net for the last hour, and the picture you have is about the only one I located. However, I used to manage a Barnes and Noble store, have you tried going there and looking at the game guides or graphic novels if they have them? Sometimes they have pretty good pictures. As for what I would do, I would create a variation of the ship and call it the Eye of Chaos, if I had your skill that is. Best of luck.
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  November 4, 2009
Oh my! I thought the main pic was some type of nanoscale warship, but the big reveal shows is just a mini part of a monstrous ship... I think you should just build with your own modifications. Why "copy" when you can make something better? You is artist, right? And besides, when you're done with it, you're gonna get a bazillion hits anyway! And Legogirl will certainly approve the size! I'm liking "Eye of Chaos" better than "Spirit of Fire" ... or maybe "Spitfire of Chaos"... XD
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  November 4, 2009
I definitely agree with Crimso. I always felt that just recreating something limits your creativity. Though I wish you built a ship with an interior once. :P
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  November 4, 2009
Seriously Mark... You wrote "if it was up to you" so I'll be sincere : a MOCer/artist of your talent don't need a model - You've got a great imagination (Apocalypsis) so use it for ships too ! The general view of the ship give you the proportions and the structure, if you don't have the details, just imagine them - by asking to you "If I were a Halo designer, what would I've put here ?" mmmh forgot the last point lol In a word I'm definetly voting for the "Eye of Chaos" ! Anyway the start is already awesome and I can't wait to see the final result. With you, Benedikt and Lee Jones building SHIPS, it's gonna be hard for us, poor mortals, to continue to show our 60 studs ships haha - Have a good time with your new "baby" :-)
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  November 4, 2009
That is one huge ship..... Anyways for more pictures maybe you can contact the designers of Halo Wars, (i.e. Bungie) and it may be that they can get you more pictures/videos. I'd give it a try. I think though, if you do build the actual ship from Halo Wars you need to keep the original name. keep on building.
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  November 4, 2009
Quoting Dave Shaddix I don't want to hear about investment from you sir. ...exactly how big and how much do you think this project will cost when all is said and done?
Fair point, that!
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  November 4, 2009
Quoting Blade Bat You can't use this for Dawn Forge because DF is not space just read the guide lines http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=1648&topicid=4230 guide lines
Blade, smoking crack again? It's not good...don't do it. Brian and I have had lengthy discussions regarding this concept, and it's definitely DF material. Now get on board, the fail train is about to leave. (God, I love smack-talk!)
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  November 4, 2009
Personally I don't like to be completely accurate. I like to put some adaptations to enhanced some LEGO feelings and techniques :)
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  November 4, 2009
Quoting Dylan B Incorporate Dawn Forge into it somehow...
Yeah, that's kind of where things stand at the moment. If I took that route, it would look similar to the SOF, but not a replica...let's call it "Halo inspired."
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  November 4, 2009
Quoting Dave Shaddix have you considered getting the game?
I have. I don't own a 360, though, so we're talking about quite an investment without even knowing whether the game has anything better than what I've already seen on Youtube and the cut scenes provided there.
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  November 4, 2009
Hmmm. I was thinking Pillar Of Autumn. But then again. The Spirit Of Fire sounds good. Well. I tried to find some images on google. All I found were the pics you have. Sorry.
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  November 4, 2009
hmm im not that a good builder but i would say do a bit of both as in add the bridge and engine son how you think they look then add a custom hull and other things to it,but its just my idea
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  November 4, 2009
Incorporate Dawn Forge into it somehow...
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  November 4, 2009
Is your invisable hand still built? If it is not, then I would use those pices to build the big one like in the pic.
 
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