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The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Reviews
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| December 11, 2013, 5:19 pm
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Gaaaa! I haven't seen it yet! *turns off computer* Not looking in here 'ill after it... I'm so excited :D
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| December 11, 2013, 7:17 pm
Quoting ~ Caleb ~
Gaaaa! I haven't seen it yet! *turns off computer* Not looking in here 'ill after it... I'm so excited :D

Same here! It's gonna be awesome!
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| December 12, 2013, 8:05 am
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Quoting Evan Botkin
Same here! It's gonna be awesome!

Tomorrow is the great day for me! Can't wait!!
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| December 12, 2013, 10:28 am
I can't wait to see it!!!! :-D
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| December 13, 2013, 11:57 am
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I saw it!

It was good, far better than the last one, My friends and I had a great time at the opening night, I will post a review soon.
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| December 13, 2013, 1:01 pm
Well.... Uhm... The fact they said no full body shots of Smaug is a big ole lie. There were a few -_- I was excited to see those shots!


But for a "review"...

Throughout the movie, the orcs went from being animated to real life action to animated. That didn't really flow so well with me. The live action Orc-sequences were the best and definitely were way more believable. I was really disappointed with how small a part Beorn played, and how up realistically queasy Gandalf was in that small part.

The Dol Goldur scenes were all ok, asides the fact they were about 75% animated. The fighting sequences with Gandalfs shield of light were really lazy animation as well. (Like a cutscenes from the video game) and the fact Bolg went from being in costume in the leaked photos to just amimated (with no hair 0.o ) was really disappointed. And the fact we saw exactly 0 amounts of Nazgul battling with Gandalf and Radagast made me want to throw my popcorn at the screen. Maybe cut out all the stnp!d scenes with Tauriel and Kili, and have a bit more work on the Dol Goldur scenes. Ya?

. I had hoped for a sequence flashback with Samwise or the gaffer, but I suppose there's another movie.

All in all, the character I thought played his role the best was Bard. Smaug was excellent too, but he's just too huge to be a "Character".

Thus ends my rambling, uncontinuous review of the Desoation of Smaug.
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| December 13, 2013, 1:12 pm
That was me, David by the way. We have an iPod and an iPod here at the hotel, Marlee was logged in on the ipad, and there's no way I was gonna write that on an iPod.
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| December 13, 2013, 1:13 pm
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All right, here is what I think:

*Spoilers*


The movie opens with a flash back of Thorin in Bree, when Gandalf first meets him. It's not a bad scene, and was a nice quick intro.

After that the plot starts moving right along, with Beorn as a bear chasing the company into his house. Now, we all knew this was going to be the case, but I am still disappointed that they didn't have Gandalf talking to Beorn to get them inside. Nonetheless, Beorn is simply Awesome, he could hardly have been done better, so it is sad that he only actually gets about 10 minutes of screen time.

After Beorn's house they quickly get to Mirkwood, at which point Gandalf leaves because of the Necromancer. The company heads into the forest, with no mention of the black stream as of yet.

Inside Mirkwood, the company simply loses the path (which is supposed to be almost entirely straight) leaving out both the black stream, Bombur's sleep, and the wood-elf fires. After losing the path, Bilbo goes up into a tree to look around, and sees the long lake (when in the book he did not see anything but trees), but when he gets down the tree, the dwarves have all been captured by spiders, and he is captured as well, fortunately, when the spiders are about to devour him, he stabs one, gets out, and frees the dwarves. He does not call them any names or taunt them, but the fight is good. After it seems the dwarves (specifically kili) are about to be killed, lo and behold the elves come in. They kill all the spiders and the dwarves surrender, Bilbo is not found though. Tauriel saves Kili's life, and he suddenly loves her. Legolas searches the dwarves and finds a picture in Gloin's coat of his wife, and a joke about Gimli is made. Meanwhile, Azog is called back to Dol Guldur because of a summons from Sauron, so he sends Bolg in his stead to kill Thorin. Moving on, the dwarves are all captured, Thranduil questions Thoring, but Thorin refuses his help, and they are all locked up. Bilbo finds the keys, and gets them out, but not before Kili has made an impression on Tauriel, and they both have this odd affection of each-other, all of the dwarves are still unaware of the Ring's existence (unlike the book). They get out, hop in the barrels, and Bilbo dumps them in the water, but the barrels don't have lids. How the barrels didn't fill up with water, I don't know but then there is a huge battle between elves, orcs, and the dwarves. Bolg's army is driven off, but the dwarves escape. The dwarves eventually go to the shore, but Kili was shot by an arrow, and needs healing. We later learn from an orc that Legolas captured that Kili was shot with a morgul shaft, and will be dead soon.

The dwarves are found by Bard, who they pay to smuggle them into lake town (whereas in the book they were glad to announce themselves) once in Laketown, they attempt to steal some weapons, are caught, and then announce who they are. While they are there they are told that Girion shot Smaug in a spot, and knocked loose one of his scales, and that it would only take one shot to kill the dragon (thus removing most of the importance of the Thrush) They are well received, but when they leave Laketown, Thorin forces Kili to stay and heal, then Oin, Fili and Bofur stay with him.

During all of this, Gandalf has been exploring Dol Guldur. He sends Radagast to Galadriel to tell her the nine have awoken, and goes into Dol Guldur, finds Azog, and a whole legion of Orcs, escapes them temporarily, but then has a one on one, with the Necromancer. He is of course defeated, and is captured.

The dwarves who do not stay in Esgaroth get to Smaug's lair. After opening the door, Bilbo is told his job is to find the Arkenstone and get out. He goes, talks to Smaug, who sees him, and tries to kill him.

Now Smaug, though very well done for the most part, looks a bit odd at the front. His head, neck, tail, wings, and back legs look fantastic, but unfortunately his front legs are non-existent, and are attached to his wings, so he looks very spidery.

Moving on, an entirely added scene of Thorin, and the dwarves that remain, fight smaug inside the forges, it seems like they will win, but of course they don't, then Smaug flies off to attack Laketown.

Meanwhile Kili is dying, and Bard's house is attacked by Bolg. But who would have guessed? -_- Tauriel and Legolas appear, kill most of the orcs, and Legolas runs to kill Bolg, he calls Tauriel to help him, but she stops, seeing that Kili is dying, and she saves him with Athelas.

Legolas has a long fight with Bolg, both of which seems to be equals, and then Bolg throws Legolas, and escapes, but Legolas, quickly pursues him.

That is the plot overlay, when I get back home today I will tell you guys the cinematics, and my final opinion.

~Mark
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| December 13, 2013, 2:33 pm
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I saw it too! I will post a review this weekend!
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| December 13, 2013, 6:20 pm
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| December 13, 2013, 8:53 pm
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| December 13, 2013, 9:36 pm
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Quoting Lego Builders

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| December 13, 2013, 10:33 pm
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Ok, so here is my run down:

Overall I liked most of the movie, there were just a few points that annoyed me.

1. Places to go, people to see!

Almost the entire movie felt very rushed. You only get Beorn for 10 minutes, and Mirkwood barely lasts a half hour, (not counting the barrel battle or anything not to do with the dwarves). Laketown is about a half hour at the very most, and most of the movie is spent on The last battle with Smaug.

2. In Upendi!

Awwwww, Kili and Tauriel are so cute! NOT! This love story drove me up the wall. I didn't mind it when it was just comical at the beginning, but by the end it sickened me.

3. Speaking of...

Speaking of Kili, number 3 is, why on earth split up the company?! Not only does it make no sense, but it creates major problems for the next movie. I will point out that in the next movie the dwarves barricade themselves inside the mountain. This creates a gigantic problem for There and Back Again.

4. Bombur the mime

As of yet Bombur has not spoken a single line. He grunts and screams, but nothing else. Along with that is the dark stream which was completely left out, as were the elf feasts. Both of these scenes provided the perfect times for Bombur to talk, but none of them were included.

5. Smaug

The biggest, and only real problem I have with Smaug is the way his fore-feet were made. Rather than a dragon with four legs, and wings on his back, his front legs are part of his wings. This makes him look very spidery, and clashes a lot with the thick, neck, tail, and hind legs he has.

6. Black Harpoon?

It's an arrow, not a javelin. Tolkien is very clear that Bard shoots an arrow at Smaug. Now the battle with Smaug hasn't happened yet, but we have already seen that they do not at all intend to have Bard shoot an arrow at Smaug, instead it will be one of those huge spears from the silver ballista. Speaking of which, what happened to Smaug being vulnerable underneath? It says that the reason he is no longer that way is because his belly is covered in Diamonds, except for the one spot on his left chest.

7. Animation

There was almost as much animation as last movie. The biggest problem with the animation was that Bolg was changed to a computer character rather than a cosmetic one.

8. Gandalf and Beorn

Why not have the story from Gandalf? If nothing else we could have at least had Beorn in the movie more.

9. I came from the end of a bag....

Sadly that line is just what that scene was missing. The riddle talk between Smaug and Bilbo, lasted a total of 1-2 minutes, and Biblo did not say nearly enough.



*EDIT*

Forgot to add this:

10. The end

Really? Drown Smaug in gold? Really? REALLY? This is simply ridiculous. Smaug loves gold, he slept under hundreds of thousands of pounds of it. There is no way he is going to drown in it. And don't even start about the heat. He's a fire drake, he could live in a volcano and he would be just fine. This last scene was not only too long, but it made the dwarves look ridiculous in the process.

Overall, it was a good movie, far, far better than the last, but there were still a lot of problems with it. The biggest problems now, though, are the ones they have created for the next movie.

~Mark
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| December 13, 2013, 11:32 pm
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The first scene of the movie was about Thorin's and Gandalf's conversation in Bree. I really liked the idea to put this scene in there, because it isn't invented, but it is part of Unfinished Tales and the appendixes. Thorin heard rumors that his father Thrain is still alive in Dunland, which is the reason why he is in Bree, but he couldn't find him. We also learn to know that Thorin has enemies who want to see him dead and Gandalf suggests to find the 14th member, a burglar, for the company for a successful journey to the mountain.
We also get to see Peter Jackson eating a carrot again, almost like in the Bree scene in FOB

Then the story switches back to the company which is still followed by Azog and his hunter orcs. But suddenly Azog is sent back to Dol Guldur, because his master, the Necromancer needs him. From now Azog suddenly isn't the great main enemy anymore, but only a servant of Sauron, which seems a bit weird to the viewer at first. Here we get to see Bolg the first time. They replaced first design and he is completely animated, what made him look worse in my opinion. As David said, I really miss his cool beard.
Then Beorn is chasing the dwarves into his house. We get to see a funny Bombur-scene, because unexpectedly he runs much faster than the other 12 dwarves. The house, his relationship to the animals and his land is exactly like I imagined it from the book, and I'm quite satisfied with his. We also get to see the huge bees. In his man-skin Beorn looks really cool too and is played very well by Mikael Persbrandt, although his screentime could have been much longer. He's such an important character...

Mirkwood looks just awesome, they couldn't have done a better job with it. Here it is also shown how Bilbo slowly changes through the influence of the ring. He even loses it once and angrily fights with a spider which he kills then. Then he suddenly notices what the ring does to him and that it is a darker thing then he thought it was. Another interesting thing about the ring is, that Bilbo can understand the language of the spiders when he puts it on his finger. The battle with the spiders is also by far too short in my opinion. After Bilbo saved the dwarves they fight against the spiders at their own, but after they killed them all, they are captured by the elves and imprisoned in Thranduil's halls. Thorin has a short dialogue with Thranduil, who wants to let the company go, if the give him a part of the treasure, but Thorin says that he can't trust Thranduil, since he didn't help them with the dragon a long time ago, when Durin's folk was defeated. In the prison Tauriel and Kili learn to know each other better and they seem to get feelings for each other. Legolas watches them jealously and angrily talks to Tauriel about him, but she is impressed by the dwarf. She says "Well he is tall for a dwarf..." and doesn't feel very well about Legolas' critism. The lovestory-thing wasn't so bad after all, although some Tolkienpurists might have felt very confused when it came up to screen the first time. Same with me. But apart from the fact that it doesn't belong to the book at all, I got used to it and I really loved it in the end. The next part of the movie is more like in the book. With help of the ring Bilbo escapes with the dwarves in barrels, while the elf-guards are still drunk and don't notice it. Then we get to see an awesome chasing scene, which is the best change to the book, because seeing 13 barrels just go down a river slowly can be very boring, I guess. The dwarves are being hunted by the orcs and the orcs are being followed by the elves. In that battle Kili gets wounded on his leg. The dwarves and elves overall work together very well, because they have a common enemy now. Thorin even slays an orc which tried to kill Legolas. the best and most funny part of the battle was Bombur's. He killed most of the orcs by rolling over them with his barrel and then he suddenly looked like a huge barrel with eyes and legs and killed like 50% of the remaining orcs at his own.
Then the dwarves are found by Bard. they pay him to smuggle them into Esgaroth. Esgaroth is ruled by the Master played by Steven Fry and his servant alfrid. They see a great danger in Bard, because they fear that the people of the town start a rebellion with him as their leader. They eve let their servants observe Bard's house at any time of the day...

Part 2 of my review to come soon...
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| December 14, 2013, 5:27 am
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Went to see it Thursday, but stayed at a friends for the past 2 days, so I haven't been on at all.

Here's my thoughts:

Wow! It was far better than the first, my least favourite part was Dol Guldur, which, ironically, was the scene I had the highest hopes for.

Nothing was resolved whatsoever regarding the Necromancer, all Gandalf really did was confirm that the Necromancer was in fact, Sauron. Then they have a fight of light and darkness, which was OKAY, and Gandalf ends up captured. My favourite scenes where the Barrel escape scene, which was amazing, as well as the scene where Smaug chases the (reduced number of) Dwarves through Erebor. Speaking of Smaug, I think he couldn't have looked better! Benedict Cumberbatch voiced him perfectly, and the effects for him were amazing!

I do not like however, how much the plot of the movie differed from the book, such as when some of the dwarves stayed behind in lake town, and the aggressiveness of the men of lake town towards the dwarves.

The romance between Kili and Tauriel was okay for a while, but around when she healed him with the Athelas, it kinda crossed the line. Aside from the Kili-Tauriel blasphemy, Legolas and Tauriel were a fantastic addition to the movie though, they had some of the best fight scenes!

As per usual, I continue to disapprove of Azog, seeing as he should be long dead. I suppose that they needed to include another consistentt villain besides Smaug to haunt the dwarves until the dragon became their main problem.

Other than the fact that the movie was very rushed as Mark said, like Beorn and Mirkwood, it was quite good. Some of my favourite funny parts were when:

Bilbo beats the HECK out of a baby spider for stepping on his ring, then stabs it through the head and says "Mine!"

Legolas finds a small book in Gloin's jacket with pictures of his family:
Legolas: "Who's this? Your brother?"
Gloin: "That's my wife."
Legolas: "And what's this, a goblin imp?"
Gloin: "That's my wee lad Gimli!"


When Bombur bounces back and forth across the edges of the river, in a barrel, conveniently killing most of the orcs, then stands up upside down on the shore, pops his arms out the side with his head still hidden, and beats the orcs to pieces. As well as when Beorn is chasing the dwarves into his house, Bombur is at the back, but sprints completely ahead of everyone!

All in all, it was quite good, I would give it a 9/10. It would have gotten 10 if they hadn't differed from the story so much in lake-town.

Fantastic movie, might go see it again tomorrow!

~Toodles!

EDIT: Forgot to mention I was dressed up as Frodo, and brought Lembas bread wrapped up in foam Mallorn leaves :P
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| December 14, 2013, 5:52 pm
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Aidan asked me to post his review:

*Note* I do not necessarily agree with anything he is saying here.

Quoting Aidan Moon:

"Desolation of Smaug was fantastic, though I do have plenty to vent about. I cared less about what PJ added than about what he took away: Believability. Some parts of this movie were magnificently done, while others were unbelievable video game sequences (though none as bad as the butchered Goblin Town sequence in AUJ). I especially felt the final sequence was not well done (but more on that later). Many characters were extremely well done (Beorn, Thranduil, Bard, The Master of Laketown, even Tauriel) and most of the additions I did not mind. Overall, I think this is a better movie than the first, though it is not staying much more true to the source material.

*****A few spoilers past this point*****

Let’s just go through the movie here and talk about what I liked and did not like.

Prologue: Did not see this coming. Thorin and Gandalf chatting in Bree WAS in the source material, so I think adding this scene was a score. Though makes you wonder…. Is Gandalf going to feel guilty later when he realized that he pushed Thorin to his doom?

Beorn: This was good. The CG wasn’t as bad as it could have been, and the character was intriguing and definitely well acted. The biggest problem with this scene is that it went by with a *snap* and we moved right into

Mirkwood: They made it different. This wasn’t like anything we had seen before, which was good. So crazy, messed with your mind. Made you FEEL claustrophobic and confused. The “Black Emperors” scene was great, and it relieved us as well as Bilbo.

Spiders: They talk! This scene was good. A lot shorter than the book (go figure) but it was good, not too messed up. This cut right into Thranduils halls, completely skipping the feasting in the woods. Somehow, though, I feel that wouldn’t have fit and I am perfectly fine with this change. I would have rather added more to the rest of Mirkwood rather than adding the feasting.

Thranduil and the Woodland Realm: We don’t get to see any elvish parties. Tauriel and Kili share a moment. This scene I did not mind, as far as Kili seemed more infatuated and naïve than any real romance like Aragorn and Arwen. Legolas didn’t seem happy, though “Just as ugly…” As far as Thrandy himself goes, played marvelously and does his job as a dangerous and volatile king extremely well (other than his odd melting face).

Gandalf: Meanwhile throughout the whole movie Gandalf is off having fun by himself (with Radagast occasionally) climbing up vertigo inducing cliffs (there were a lot of those it seemed in this movie) and finding out who the Necromancer really was. Oh boy. I didn’t mind any of this, because Tolkien didn’t really go into any depth on what Gandalf was doing while he was away, though he explained it, there was quite a bit of room for fidgeting. Gandalf got some good fighting in Dol Guldor, and my single gripe about this scene is that the Istari were forbidden by the Valar to match Saurons power with power.

Barrels: I expected this to feel like the Goblin Caverns in AUJ, but it was much better. I’m all for being believable, and this wasn’t, but I still enjoyed it, rather than sitting there shaking my head the whole time.

Bard: Pulls them out of the water and has a good little dialogue with them. They start building up his character from the beginning and he is one of my favorite parts of this movie. Laketown is ruled by the extremely corrupt Master, who is also played fantastically. The whole Laketown scene from where Bard saves the dwarves to where they leave is well done, though different from the book. Bard is well developed and his character is more than just the “grim faced man” in the books. I also really enjoyed the inclusion of his kids. I really did not mind the changes they made to Laketown, and rather enjoyed what they did with it.

Lonely Mountain: So they get there, and there’s some unnecessary finagling where the dwarves all give up on finding the keyhole and Bilbo has to save the day, then we get to the fantastic part. Bilbo nervously heads in, wandering around looking for the Arkenstone. This is one of the best scenes of the whole movie. Marvelously builds up tension.

Smaug: is indeed magnificent. When he was revealed, I think I probably let out a gasp at just how amazing he looked. Bravo to the team that designed him. He is marvelous. I don’t actually agree with Mark on this one, I think he look marvelous. Martin Freemans amazing performance here deserves kudos as well, as he makes you want to scream in terror and laugh at his fear at the same time.

The Black Javelin of Doom: Let’s just say *face-palm*. Believe it or not, this is my second to least favorite part of this movie and I was definitely not happy when I saw this little side plot. Yes, it lends a way of connecting Bard to his ancestry, and YES it tries to make it make more sense as to why this is going to be able to kill Smaug, but that problem could have been solved by having the thrush, rather than just having it be common knowledge that there’s a big gap in Smaug’s armor. I really really hate this.

Tauriel + Kili: Hated this less than I thought I would. Kili was more adoring and naïve about the situation, and Tauriel was more curious and wanted to know more about other people. They are both young, and it didn’t seem very out of place (except for the glowing Tauriel scene: I face-palmed). Legolas is like ultimate warrior here, even more than he was in LotR I feel.

Final Battle of Unbelievability: If anything came close to the goblin tunnels, it was this. Up to the point where Thorin decides to FIGHT SMAUG (how stupid are we supposed to believe he is?) this scene is fine, but they could have ended it here and added more of say, Beorn. Peter Jackson seems to want us to believe that nine dwarves have a chance of killing Smaug. This whole section is unnecessary, especially the whole “Drown Smaug in Molten Gold” stuff. I was just sitting there like “What am I watching?” Plus, the not amazing CGI made it looked like they were drowning him in nacho cheese.

Finally, it ends by NOT CLOSING ANYTHING OFF AND LEAVING EVERYONE WITH A FEELING OF HORROR AT HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR.

Basically? Go see it! It’s not perfect, but if you look at it as its own thing and don’t compare it to the book, it is a much much better movie than An Unexpected Journey. I agree with Mark on almost everything he said, for once, though not in as extreme of a way. I can just hope that we’ll have more Beorn, Mirkwood, and Laketown in the extended."
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| December 16, 2013, 6:09 pm
I tried to post a review of this movie but I guess I said something I shouldn't have. If one of the Mods or Admins could check up on that it would be great.
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| December 17, 2013, 1:28 pm
The main thing that I did not like about the The Hobbit part two, was that the Ore's snuck so easily in to mirckwood and laketown, also thay cut the time line a lot.
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| December 17, 2013, 4:45 pm
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I tried to post a review of this movie but I guess I said something I shouldn't have. If one of the Mods or Admins could check up on that it would be great.

I took a look, but it has not shown up in our alerts, try to post it again, and take out any words that might trigger the system.
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| December 18, 2013, 3:44 pm
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Quoting Rylie French
The main thing that I did not like about the The Hobbit part two, was that the Ore's snuck so easily in to mirckwood and laketown, also thay cut the time line a lot.

Yes, that is one of the most critical aspects about the movie.
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| December 18, 2013, 5:46 pm
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Does anyone know what that little spider-thing with which Bilbo fought was? It didn't really look like a spider...
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| December 18, 2013, 5:48 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I took a look, but it has not shown up in our alerts, try to post it again, and take out any words that might trigger the system.

Rats! It was kinda long....oh well. Back to the Drawing board.
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| December 19, 2013, 8:38 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Does anyone know what that little spider-thing with which Bilbo fought was? It didn't really look like a spider...

I don't know...my first thought was a cave claw like in Lord of the Rings Online.
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| December 19, 2013, 8:47 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Does anyone know what that little spider-thing with which Bilbo fought was? It didn't really look like a spider...

I am not sure, it looked enough like a spider to be one, but it certainly looked odd.
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| December 19, 2013, 7:40 pm
The film gets two thumbs up from me! I really enjoyed it and I particularly liked Legolas and Tauriel. Their stunts were incredible and beautifully graceful. The elvish fighting was like a dance.
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| December 19, 2013, 10:42 pm
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Quoting Ian Spacek
The film gets two thumbs up from me! I really enjoyed it and I particularly liked Legolas and Tauriel. Their stunts were incredible and beautifully graceful. The elvish fighting was like a dance.

Agreed, it was quite good.
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| December 19, 2013, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Ian Spacek
The film gets two thumbs up from me! I really enjoyed it and I particularly liked Legolas and Tauriel. Their stunts were incredible and beautifully graceful. The elvish fighting was like a dance.

I first feared that they might ruin Legolas' character in FOTR with his comeback in DOS, but it was great and didn't have any negative influence to the story in my opinion.
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| December 20, 2013, 4:30 am
I saw the day after it came out! It was so good! I especially like the part where Gloin tells Legolas that the "creature" in his locket is a picture of his son Gimli at which Legolas makes a face. Knowing that Legolas and Gimli meet and become friends later on made me laugh at that scene. :D
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| December 20, 2013, 12:42 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I first feared that they might ruin Legolas' character in FOTR with his comeback in DOS, but it was great and didn't have any negative influence to the story in my opinion.

I didn't like how they needed to have that whole "love affair" with the elves and Kili (?). I think it the storyline lost some of its focus on the quest to regain Erebor. There was also one scene where Legolas is riding after orcs on a wood bridge that I thought the editing was poorly done and looked video game-like (i.e. not fluid movements). Did anyone else feel the same way? Other than the things I mentioned, I think it was a great movie. The barrel scene is my personal favorite.
-LB Jr.
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| December 20, 2013, 3:46 pm
Quoting Professor B.
I especially like the part where Gloin tells Legolas that the "creature" in his locket is a picture of his son Gimli at which Legolas makes a face.

Hah! Yes, that was great!
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| December 20, 2013, 4:17 pm
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Oh, one other thing... WHAT'S WITH GANDALFS STAFF DISINTEGRATING???!!?!?
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| December 20, 2013, 4:44 pm
Quoting David .
Oh, one other thing... WHAT'S WITH GANDALFS STAFF DISINTEGRATING???!!?!?

Hmmm... that I cannot really answer. The same question could be used for when Gandalf's staff breaks in the ROFK. Evil can be stronger than good sometimes I guess. Another reason for his staff breaking could be that, since his staff in The Hobbit is different than his staff in the FOTR, Peter Jackson wanted to show that Gandalf got a new staff after his first one (the one in The Hobbit) broke. Wow! Gandalf isn't very careful with his staffs! He's on his fourth!
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| December 20, 2013, 7:02 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
Hmmm... that I cannot really answer. The same question could be used for when Gandalf's staff breaks in the ROFK. Evil can be stronger than good sometimes I guess. Another reason for his staff breaking could be that, since his staff in The Hobbit is different than his staff in the FOTR, Peter Jackson wanted to show that Gandalf got a new staff after his first one (the one in The Hobbit) broke. Wow! Gandalf isn't very careful with his staffs! He's on his fourth!

The Necromancer is more powerful than Gandalf, that is plain, so having his staff disintegrate is fine. However I am still strongly opposed to when his staff breaks in ROTK. The witch kings is by no means more powerful than Gandalf.
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| December 20, 2013, 7:11 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The Necromancer is more powerful than Gandalf, that is plain, so having his staff disintegrate is fine. However I am still strongly opposed to when his staff breaks in ROTK. The witch kings is by no means more powerful than Gandalf.

I do agree... I think.
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| December 20, 2013, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Lego Builders
I didn't like how they needed to have that whole "love affair" with the elves and Kili (?). I think it the storyline lost some of its focus on the quest to regain Erebor. There was also one scene where Legolas is riding after orcs on a wood bridge that I thought the editing was poorly done and looked video game-like (i.e. not fluid movements). Did anyone else feel the same way? Other than the things I mentioned, I think it was a great movie. The barrel scene is my personal favorite.
-LB Jr.

I totally agree, I mean: Orcs and elves fighting in Lake-town and Bolg fighting Legolas instead of Thorin is just so crazy. That was definitely the part I disliked most in the movie. I really hope Legolas won't kill Bolg in the next one. That would be an insult to Tolkien. Other than that the only other thing I really didn't like is that Smaug has only 4 arms instead of six, like every other normal fantasy dragon. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense that vertebrates have got 6 extremities, but the Hobbit is an invented story, so I'm very disappointed about this aspect...
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| December 21, 2013, 5:46 am
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Quoting Professor B.
Hmmm... that I cannot really answer. The same question could be used for when Gandalf's staff breaks in the ROFK. Evil can be stronger than good sometimes I guess. Another reason for his staff breaking could be that, since his staff in The Hobbit is different than his staff in the FOTR, Peter Jackson wanted to show that Gandalf got a new staff after his first one (the one in The Hobbit) broke. Wow! Gandalf isn't very careful with his staffs! He's on his fourth!

I wonder whether his next staff will be the one we know from FOTR or a different one again.
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| December 21, 2013, 5:48 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I wonder whether his next staff will be the one we know from FOTR or a different one again.

Or maybe he'll get another one but then break it just like all the others! :P
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| December 21, 2013, 11:15 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I totally agree, I mean: Orcs and elves fighting in Lake-town and Bolg fighting Legolas instead of Thorin is just so crazy. That was definitely the part I disliked most in the movie. I really hope Legolas won't kill Bolg in the next one. That would be an insult to Tolkien. Other than that the only other thing I really didn't like is that Smaug has only 4 arms instead of six, like every other normal fantasy dragon. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense that vertebrates have got 6 extremities, but the Hobbit is an invented story, so I'm very disappointed about this aspect...

THANK YOU!

It really annoys me that Smaug's front legs are attached to his wings. They really needed to be separate. Mainly because his middle doesn't match his two ends.
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| December 21, 2013, 6:45 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
Or maybe he'll get another one but then break it just like all the others! :P

Yes, that would make more sense indeed. One staff for more than 60 years... He would have been very careful then. :D
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| December 22, 2013, 6:46 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
THANK YOU!

It really annoys me that Smaug's front legs are attached to his wings. They really needed to be separate. Mainly because his middle doesn't match his two ends.

I agree. Tolkien himself would be disappointed as well, since in all of his drawings Smaug has got 6 extremities.
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| December 22, 2013, 6:48 am
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Went to see it again yesterday! I think ALL of the characters were portrayed perfectly, especially Radagast and Bard! Sylvester McCoy does such an excellent job of Radagast's quirky, forgetful old man personality. As before, I was amazed at the fight scenes involving Tauriel and Legolas, which were some of the best in the movie. Erebor was PERFECT! It gave that powerful, vast, royal feel of the great dwarven stronghold. Smaug couldn't have been better! His eyes were the best part! They are indeed the window to the soul!

I'm going through Hobbit withdrawal until the next movie, I honestly can't wait until at least a trailer or production blog is released! On the bright side though, I got the extended edition of AUJ, with 5+ hours of bonus material, so I should be occupied until then...

Might see it again on the weekend too!
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| January 3, 2014, 5:24 pm
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
Went to see it again yesterday! I think ALL of the characters were portrayed perfectly, especially Radagast and Bard! Sylvester McCoy does such an excellent job of Radagast's quirky, forgetful old man personality. As before, I was amazed at the fight scenes involving Tauriel and Legolas, which were some of the best in the movie. Erebor was PERFECT! It gave that powerful, vast, royal feel of the great dwarven stronghold. Smaug couldn't have been better! His eyes were the best part! They are indeed the window to the soul!

I'm going through Hobbit withdrawal until the next movie, I honestly can't wait until at least a trailer or production blog is released! On the bright side though, I got the extended edition of AUJ, with 5+ hours of bonus material, so I should be occupied until then...

Might see it again on the weekend too!

I saw it again, and got a "what is wrong with this count". I counted the changes, what they took out, and what was added which made no sense.

And the count is.....

45! (Give or take)
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| January 3, 2014, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I saw it again, and got a "what is wrong with this count". I counted the changes, what they took out, and what was added which made no sense.

And the count is.....
you know I stopped watching it for the hobbit long ago.
45! (Give or take)


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| January 3, 2014, 7:13 pm
I saw it the day it came out. I fully excepted it to have many changes and I'm fine with that, as long as they keep the story fairly close to the plot. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and was very impressed with certain parts. The only thing I absolutely disliked was the dwarves splitting in Laketown and the Tauriel-Kili healing/love scene. First of all, it made no sense and contradicted things from the LotR and the Appendices, and second, it was just plain brutal! Other than that, it was a very good movie.
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| January 3, 2014, 7:36 pm
Oh, I forgot a couple things. First, I've never compared any of the LotR or Hobbit movies to the book, as long as they are enjoyable and follow the main plot. If I want to watch a good Middle-Earth movie, I can. If I want to venture into Tolkien's Middle-Earth, I read the books. This way, I get the best of both worlds. The second thing is Tauriel. I did not mind her at all and I actually quite liked most of her scenes in Mirkwood. If they would have left her after Mirkwood, it would have been just fine. Nevertheless, I'm really excited for the last film!
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| January 3, 2014, 7:48 pm
Besides having a barrel ride, 13 dwarves, a wizard, a dragon and a hobbit, the movie was not similar to the book. Peter Jackson should have made at the most 2 movies instead of 3. There is too much action with the orcs throughout both movies. I do not mind having Legolas and Tauriel though. I also enjoyed in the beginning, when Peter Jackson appears eating a carrot, which is also in TFOTR. Seeing Gandalf's adventures and Legolas snowboarding on an orc(in LOTR he does it on a shield) were great too. However, the movie was far from the book. I had wanted to see a movie of the book, not a movie based on the book.
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| January 3, 2014, 10:36 pm
I was also happy that Smaug looked great and like a dragon(unlike Saphira in Eragon movie).
and a great voice by Benedict Cumberbatch!!
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| January 3, 2014, 10:38 pm
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Well I guess I should give my review. Here goes. First of All if I compared this as a book to movie adaption I would have to say that Peter Jackson did a far worse job on this one than on the LOTR trilogy. This was to be expected since he is who he is and seriously, can you imagine Peter Jackson doing a children's story?!?!? Anyway I do not watch these films and think about the book as I do. So here are my likes and dislikes about the Hobbit Desolation of Smaug.

Overall:an incredible piece of movie magic with an intense story and great action.

Likes: SMAUG!!! He was so amazing!! I loved everything about him his voice his look and his anger, only one question tho, why did he not just eat Bilbo on the spot? I mean there where like 5 times where he could have easily eaten him. Besides from that though he was defiantly my favored part. Legolas was amazing his action was awesome! I also like the dwarf forges(never imagined them like that before) Mirkwood, borne and laketown. I loved the dwarfs they were so funny! The scene with bomber in the barrel was THE BEST!

Dislikes; Fist off Tariel and Fili. I hated every one of looks they gave each other. It just bothered me so much! In my opinion it really goes against the laws of the LOTR world. Tariel herself was interesting and an amazing fighter but her relationship with Fili made it hard for me to really like her. Along those lines the healing scene was also anoying as it felt like a repeat of the Frodo and Arwin scene. I really did not like the CGI orcs they looked so fake. It really saddens me that they did not do prosthetics. The only orc that looked truly like an orc to me was the one that actually was prosthetics. Bolg was also terrible from his the way he acted down to the way he looked.

That's about it. I really liked it and I almost feel like its pointless to put my dislikes. Honestly to me I like to just say if its a good movie or not and be done with it. Why argue about a good thing? Or point out all its faults for that matter? Just enjoy it! That is just my two cents. Anyway because I have very opinionated friends who like to argue about things I have developed my dislikes and likes and am able to give a review. Hope you all like it!
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| January 3, 2014, 11:28 pm
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ugh I am trying to submit my review but I think I must have triggered some moderation thing. I hate when this happens
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| January 3, 2014, 11:29 pm
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Quoting Lee Muzzy
ugh I am trying to submit my review but I think I must have triggered some moderation thing. I hate when this happens

I approved it, look above! :)
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| January 4, 2014, 12:34 am
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Quoting Michelle N
Besides having a barrel ride, 13 dwarves, a wizard, a dragon and a hobbit, the movie was not similar to the book. Peter Jackson should have made at the most 2 movies instead of 3. There is too much action with the orcs throughout both movies. I do not mind having Legolas and Tauriel though. I also enjoyed in the beginning, when Peter Jackson appears eating a carrot, which is also in TFOTR. Seeing Gandalf's adventures and Legolas snowboarding on an orc(in LOTR he does it on a shield) were great too. However, the movie was far from the book. I had wanted to see a movie of the book, not a movie based on the book.

I agree. It is definitely the most free interpretation of a Tolkien book so far. Some changes were really good like adding Legolas and Tauriel, Alfrid and Bard's family. Another cool thing is that the Barrel ride is much more exciting in the movie. But after Lake-town the things are getting a bit crazy. Orcs in Lake-town! Tauriel's and Kili's healing/love scene! The fight with Smaug in the Erebor and the huge golden statue! Legolas' duel with Bolg! That was a bit too much changes to me...
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| January 4, 2014, 6:34 am
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Another thing that really annoyed me is that Bombur didn't have a single line in the entire movie. (AGAIN!!)

I mean in the book he is the most important dwarf after Thorin and Balin.
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| January 4, 2014, 6:39 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I approved it, look above! :)

thanks!
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| January 4, 2014, 10:15 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Another thing that really annoyed me is that Bombur didn't have a single line in the entire movie. (AGAIN!!)

I mean in the book he is the most important dwarf after Thorin and Balin.

If it annoys you, imagine how much it annoys me. He's my favorite dwarf ad he hasn't spoken once!
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| January 4, 2014, 11:17 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
If it annoys you, imagine how much it annoys me. He's my favorite dwarf ad he hasn't spoken once!

ouch that must hurt.
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| January 4, 2014, 2:01 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
If it annoys you, imagine how much it annoys me. He's my favorite dwarf ad he hasn't spoken once!

He's my favorite dwarf too!
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| January 4, 2014, 4:32 pm
Quoting Michelle N
I was also happy that Smaug looked great and like a dragon(unlike Saphira in Eragon movie).
and a great voice by Benedict Cumberbatch!!

Oh yeah! I loved Smaugs voice!
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| January 4, 2014, 4:34 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
If it annoys you, imagine how much it annoys me. He's my favorite dwarf ad he hasn't spoken once!

Maybe he'll speak in the extended, when he falls into the river.
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| January 5, 2014, 6:04 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Maybe he'll speak in the extended, when he falls into the river.

We can only hope.
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| January 5, 2014, 8:24 pm
I loved it. The Smaug scene went on for quite a while, but they kept it suspenseful. I thought the romance was cheesy and unrealistic. The movie would've seemed more serious without it. I think Bard was a bit overrated; his character was shallow and uninteresting. Other than that, it was fabulous!
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| January 5, 2014, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
We can only hope.

Yeah. It's still disappointing...
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| January 6, 2014, 6:06 am
I loved everything about the movie except for the part where they just stop when Smaug heads to Laketown. I don't now if I can wait much longer to see the end.
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| January 7, 2014, 7:30 pm
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Another thing wrong with the Kili-Tauriel thing, that goes against the Lord of the Rings, because Legolas and Gimli were the first to breach the Elf-Dwarf rivalry, not in the Hobbit.
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| January 8, 2014, 6:30 am
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
Another thing wrong with the Kili-Tauriel thing, that goes against the Lord of the Rings, because Legolas and Gimli were the first to breach the Elf-Dwarf rivalry, not in the Hobbit.

And Gimli and Galadriel.
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| January 8, 2014, 5:36 pm
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The movie was great, I enjoyed watching it. Well, there were quite many not-so-good or just bad moments, but the movie was really enjoyable. I like more than I dislike, so it's good. I don't like Legolas' words "it would be my pleasure" about killing Thorin, I mean elves weren't in such great conflict with dwarves (or were they?) Another thing is I don't like that in Lake-Town there were people looking like Africans. Don't get me wrong - I am not a racist! I have friends in Turkey and Israel and I have nothing against other skin colour. But how they would get there? They lived in south of Middle-earth, not in the east. I think people looking like Jews, Arabs etc. would be better if they wanted to make mixture of races in Lake-town. I hope you get my point.
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| January 11, 2014, 1:09 pm
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Quoting Thomas .
The movie was great, I enjoyed watching it. Well, there were quite many not-so-good or just bad moments, but the movie was really enjoyable. I like more than I dislike, so it's good. I don't like Legolas' words "it would be my pleasure" about killing Thorin, I mean elves weren't in such great conflict with dwarves (or were they?) Another thing is I don't like that in Lake-Town there were people looking like Africans. Don't get me wrong - I am not a racist! I have friends in Turkey and Israel and I have nothing against other skin colour. But how they would get there? They lived in south of Middle-earth, not in the east. I think people looking like Jews, Arabs etc. would be better if they wanted to make mixture of races in Lake-town. I hope you get my point.

Yes, that was quite an interesting aspect. My explanation would be that they came from the far South in Dorwinion, where Lake-town was producing wine.
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| January 12, 2014, 4:36 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Yes, that was quite an interesting aspect. My explanation would be that they came from the far South in Dorwinion, where Lake-town was producing wine.

Perhaps, but for me it's still hard to believe. I think these people lived in Harad - there's sth about it in TT book when Gollum is describing evil people that came to serve Sauron or maybe later, in Ithilien.
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| January 12, 2014, 9:08 am
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Quoting Thomas .
Perhaps, but for me it's still hard to believe. I think these people lived in Harad - there's sth about it in TT book when Gollum is describing evil people that came to serve Sauron or maybe later, in Ithilien.

Maybe they just wanted to show that they aren't racists.
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| January 13, 2014, 11:02 am
Are the "D" word and "H" word not allowed in comments?
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| January 13, 2014, 7:30 pm
After weeks of quickly turning off the browser or leaving conversations awkwardly, I finally got to got to go see it, spoilers free. I went with my sis and we both loved it; my favorite scene of the whole movie was when the Dwarves were escaping in the barrels. I actually didn't mind the whole Tauriel/Kili romance, a little romance never hurt anything, in my opinion, well almost anything... Anyway, I don't know why a ton of people freaked out because it didn't totally stick to the book, it kept the main parts, and if it stuck the original book, it would of been ten hours long with huge boring areas in it. Overall, an amazing movie, and I can't wait for it to come out on DVD, so I can get it. :)
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| January 13, 2014, 7:43 pm
OK, I saw the movie the night it came out but for some reason my last review didn't go through. Here goes:

I'm really glad they included Beorn and they portrayed the character fairly well, unlike I originally thought. My main problem with this character was that he was in the movie for ten minutes tops.

Where was all the Mirkwood? IMO they should have cut some of the scenes of the Dwarves fighting Smaug and added more Mirkwood. Would have been hysterical with a scene of the Dwarves carrying a sleeping Bombur.

The best scenes were the Barrels out of Bond and what would have been "Inside Information". I really liked that PJ and his crew added action to the Barrels scene, it reminded me of the Goblin Town sequence in AUJ.

Lake-town was really cool but, while I thought Bard smuggling the Dwarves in fish barrels was funny, most of the Lake-town scenes deviated greatly from the book. Especially with the Orcs attacking.

One of my biggest issues with the whole movie was the Dwarves being split up and the whole Kili-Tauriel thing. It was OK at first...right up until she said: "He is tall...for a Dwarf". Ugh.

Dale looked amazing. I really hoped there would be scenes of the Dwarves exploring the ruins but maybe in the Extended Edition we'll have that.

The best thing in any of the LOTR and HOBBIT movies so far has been Smaug. Benedict Cumberbatch deserves an award for his portrayal of the Dragon. I really didn't like how it ended with him flying off to destroy Lake-town. I didn't mind the fighting in Erebor much but trying to drown him in molten gold...really?

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the movie. It was good but it could have used a bit more book-accuracy.
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| January 14, 2014, 8:23 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Are the "D" word and "H" word not allowed in comments?

Everything is allowed in comments, but for some words MOCpages sends the admins a message, so that they must decide whether they accept it in their group or not.
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| January 14, 2014, 8:39 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Everything is allowed in comments, but for some words MOCpages sends the admins a message, so that they must decide whether they accept it in their group or not.


Oh ok, well I posted a kinda long film review that contained the words, and it hasn't popped up yet :P any ideas?
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| January 14, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle

Oh ok, well I posted a kinda long film review that contained the words, and it hasn't popped up yet :P any ideas?

We have not gotten any alerts, which means that it went straight to the actual MODs for MOCpages, and they pretty much delete everything that comes their way. Try posting it without the words if you can.
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| January 15, 2014, 11:46 am
Ok, so here’s my review. I know I'm very late...but whatever! Well, I've seen it 4 times now, and I'll go through it in order of the story pretty much, except for a few general things first;

So for one, the movie LOOKED a lot better than the first. What I mean is generally the cgi was very good, and the color scheme was improved from AUJ, which was distractingly colorful and saturated in my opinion (i.e. the brightness of Goblin town, and the troll scene...so much orange!!!!). Also, I feel like they got the tone right for the most part, and it felt right. AUJ jumped around from silly, then dark too much, and the continuity was jumbled and all over the place. Take Goblin Town, which had so much potential, but when the dwarves were captured, there was no sense of danger or peril whatsoever. It was silly (although it looks cool), and the only real sense of danger in that film was the ending (which I loved), and the musical-esque singing throughout was a bit much at times (though oddly quite enjoyable too)...and don't even get me started on the trolls! But anyways, this a review for the second film, not the first, so I'll get back on track! Throughout the whole film, this adventure actually felt dangerous...which I loved!

The opening scene was great, and I have no complaints. Set up the story nicely, and it was cool seeing Bree again...and Peter Jackson! Still wondering if Thrain will be in the Extended Edition though...we'll see!

The title-card sequence with the orcs and wargs was nicely done. Very intense, and the music score was amazing here. And I don't mind that they changed up the entering of Beorn's house...it fit in.

However, I don't like how little time was spent with Beorn, and how morbid he was. But more so the lack of time spent. His character worked well for what he did, though his line "but orcs I hate more!" felt cheesy. Again, hoping there's more to see in the Extended Edition!

Now to the orcs/Necromancer scenes at the beginning...Azog himself looks SO much better than the first movie...but Bolg? Looks so goofy, and frankly quite weird to me. Doesn't look badass at all...he looks more like a giant chimpanzee than anything. The part where it cuts to Dol Guldur while Bilbo looks at the Ring is neat, but I don't get why the Necromancer is a giant shadow thing now, instead of the dark silhouette (which I personally favored), and his new voice isn't bad, but it takes getting used to!

The company arrives at Mirkwood, and it looks pretty good over all. The forest could've been darker and less cartoony in my opinion, but it wasn't awful! Some shots were really weird, but whatever I guess. This bit also felt rushed, as they seemed like they were in the forest for a grand total of an hour, and more would've been appreciated (Extended Edition?).

Gandalf leaving and going to investigate the High Fells was very cool, but I've just realized how pointless his back-and-forth over the Misty Mountains really was...they knew the dagger came from Dol Guldur. Gandalf was already relatively close to the old fortress, as was Radagast. So did they *really* need to go to the tombs? No. Was it well done? Yes. Just could've been done a bit differently, and more to the wizards’ convenience.

The introduction of the spiders was perfectly done, and I really liked the whole scene. The use of the Ring to portray the spiders talking was quite clever, but there was a minor inconsistency where that spider said "it stings!" even after Bilbo took the Ring off, which goes against what they did for the movie...other than that, very nice. The spiders were terrifying, and creepy! I also like that bit where Bilbo freaked out over the Ring, and how we got to see it taking his toll on him (as for what that creature was though...I have no clue. Wasn't a spider for sure...looks like something out of Jackson's King Kong! I think he mixed up his movies! Still, the awesomeness of the scene makes up for it! The elves coming in were nice, and made sense. No qualms here. Legolas and Gloin's convo was too funny!

The woodland realm looked great, almost exactly as I imagined! The scene between Thorin and Thranduil was so well done, and it's one of my favorite parts! Lee Pace plays well off of Armitage, and the two really fit their roles nicely here. Not gonna lie, I thought Thranduil's line about the "dragons of the North." along with his face melting (just the face melting really), was very weird, but I don't mind it at all now.

Legolas' return was welcome by me, as it really wouldn't have made sense for him to NOT be there. A while back I expected a cameo at the least, but now it's obvious that his role was greatly expanded. I do think it is a bit much at times, but it's pretty good, and makes a lot of sense.

Tauriel is a great character, and really feels like she belongs in the film. No complaints about her character herself. The romance with Kili is a bit odd at times, but the scene in the dungeons is fine.

I was kind of surprised about how quickly Bilbo freed the dwarves, as I expected more time in the Woodland realm...and need I even say it? Let's just say that I hope it doesn't feel as rushed in the Extended Edition.

Barrels Out of Bond was done well, and I loved how Bilbo just fell down the ramp/trap door! The barrel scene, with the addition of the orcs was a good idea i.m.o, but as to how the orcs got that close to their borders is beyond me.

Kili getting shot with an arrow was a great decision I think, as it added a sense of danger to the scene (and the movie in general), making it seem realistic and not as ridiculous. Speaking of which, the barrel-ride was mostly believable up until Bombur's barrel roll. Yeah it was funny, and I did laugh the first time, but by my second viewing I was questioning it. I know a lot of you love this part but I'm sorry! It was ridiculous, pretty much impossible, and totally counter-acted the aura of peril that Kili's injury added. Same goes for Legolas' dwarf-hopping. First time it was funny, but soon I was thinking "Ok, I know he's Legolas, and he's a badass...buuuuut, I think they went a bit far with this one!" It was, to say the least, too much. Still a good sequence over all, however the switch between the normal camera, and the "Go-Pro" looking shots are weird.

I like what they did with Bard, and it really introduced the character perfectly. Much better than in the book...I love how they've expanded on him in every way.

Laketown was perfect, and I love what they did with the whole "smuggling" bit. Added tension that was welcomed, and I was worried if they were going to be caught or not! This whole section of the film is very well done, even though the dwarves coming out of the toilet was silly...not bad though! I like how they eventually got caught, and I also love Bard discovering who Thorin was...gives me the chills, in a good way of course! Not to mention the scene with the two of them arguing in front of the whole town was also amazing (as with the latter and Thranduil).

Something felt missing by the time the dwarves were leaving Esgaroth...such as, the feast/party that happened in the book (and seemed to have happened, based off of Bofur's hangover). In the Extended Edition, a scene explaining this would be perfect, especially if they added some drunken humor, and maybe a song (which was something the film was also missing, even if in the first film it was at times a bit much)!

I don't mind that a few dwarves stay behind, as it makes the story a bit more interesting, adds drama, and doesn't detract from anything. It's fine to me!

The Desolation of Smaug itself (the location), was well done. However, it felt anti-climactic when they just appeared at the base of the mountain. I expected some sort of dramatic shot of it with an epic music score. They sort of did this with Bilbo discovering the hidden doorway/staircase/statue, but it seemed like a very obvious discovery in the first place. Not a big deal though!

The scene outside the entrance was cool, and there was some really nice stuff in it! Went pretty much as I expected really.

Gandalf in Dol Guldur was simply epic, and pretty genius. Only complaints are; 1, Gandalf's magic looks a bit too flashy, and it was in abundance. As Tolkien himself said he didn't like this sort of magic, nor too much of it. Sometimes I find myself wondering why Gandalf can use all this crazy, powerful magic in the Hobbit (such as his huge Goblin-blast in the first movie), but then in Lord of the Rings...well, he doesn't do anything like that. *Heck*, there's tons of parts in even the Hobbit where he could've used some of it (movie-verse, mind you)! Just a bit of continuity problems that bug me a bit.On to number 2; his fight with Sauron dragged on it seemed, and I still don't get how he fought him (as the Istari weren't allowed to directly challenge him). BUT, I really do love this scene. Sauron's reveal was totally epic, and crazily awesome. I'm sure these two issues can be explained, however there were a few dizzying shots in the sequence itself that were almost headache inducing in 3D....no biggie though, of course.

Bilbo and Smaug? Perfect. No complaints. Really. Dragon looked awesome, and they played off of eachother perfectly. Couldn't have hoped for better with this. Very intense, so much adrenaline packed into it...just wow!

The little skirmish in Bard's house was fine, and the close-quarters fighting was very well choreographed. Legolas chasing the orcs through the town was exciting too, and though Tauriel's healing/romantic moment with Kili is strange in a way, it isn't awful. Very reminiscent of Arwen in FOTR however, and whether that's good or bad, I don't really know. Now the fact that it was a Morgul-wound struck me as odd. I didn't know orcs had Morgul-everything at their disposal, and it kinda took away from the idea of the Ringwraith-specific weapon to me. Also, how Tauriel was able to heal it with Athelas is hard to understand, because in FOTR, it merely subdued the poison. Maybe it was the location/severity of the wound that made a difference? I dunno. I just think it would've been better if it was say, poison extracted from a spider, as it makes more sense how orcs could've acquired it, AND it ties together the two with the Necromancer (even though there's already a connection). Or it could've been simplified, and have been made any other kind of poison, which would've worked too, for that matter.


The scene where the company snuck around in Erebor was very intense, and I really liked the bit where they came to a dead end in a room full of dead dwarves. Made the whole affair a bit more serious, sad, and emotionally connected. Very good idea.

BUT, the part where they ran to the forges in a feeble attempt to kill the dragon in a ridiculous way, was not. First of all, Smaug could've easily killed them all. Thorin standing on his head, and the mine-cart riding...strange. The forges themselves looked cool, and maybe if the scene had taken a different turn it would've and could've been better...but the whole molten gold thing was too weird. The little makeshift bombs the dwarves made felt out of place, and were totally pointless...I thought Isengard was the first to make explosives? Thorin wheelbarrow-racing around the dragon, then boogie-boarding on the hot liquid was laughable. Plus, not to mention he would've been burnt. The part where the dragon came through the wall and went over Bilbo was pretty impressive though. I really love all the dialogue in this sequence, despite the strange action. Even then, it wasn't too bad. I didn't know what they were planning on doing (maybe topple the impossibly glowing statue onto the dragon)? Nope. They planned on drowning him in it after it melted! Besides the fact that it's pretty much impossible for that to happen the way it did, it also looked kinda cheap. Erebor, and Smaug were awesome, but the gold, and it melting looked really fake to me. HOWEVER, WHEN SMAUG JUMPED OUT OF THE GOLD ALL COVERED IN IT...*DARN* DID HE LOOK COOL! Haha, I guess that shot was a bit of redemption for the mistakes!

Lastly, the ending we all love to hate. Most frustrating cliffhanger in history for sure. I really wanted the dragon to die, and when he didn't...well, I was pretty mad. The movie lacked any sort of major climax...it just totally built up, and ended at it's peak. Not good. Look at all the rest of the movies in the series...all of them had a climax, and ended on a lower note. Perfect way to end a film. This one dropped you right as you were totally full of adrenaline. And it's not like there were time constraints, as this one was a lot shorter than the rest. It should've been longer, which could've solved the rushed beginning, and the ending that stopped short. Due to this, the film felt incomplete to me by the ending. But on a good note, I do love Ed Sheerean's "I See Fire" (the song that played when the credits rolled).

In the end, I really did love it, despite my many complaints. I like both films a lot really, but sometimes I contradict myself! Haha, I guess I really just can't wait till the next one! Which I have high hopes for! And I hope it meets most of these expectations, but we'll have to see!

And finally, on another note:

*WARNING, MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK*

Am I the only one hoping that the dwarven windlance/ballista gets destroyed by Smaug, and that Bard has to use his actual bow to slay the beast? I think that'd be so great! It would be a bit more like the book, AND it would add a nice moment for those who haven't read the book to go "OH NO!" at this (if it were to happen of course). And it would make Bard 10x more awesome! What do you guys think? Would that be cool? haha, thanks for reading if you made your way through the whole thing!

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| January 15, 2014, 10:27 pm
Ok, it posted! I know it's VERY long (sorry), and I took out a few words that may have not been permitted for whatever reason, and sarcastically replaced them with DARN and HECK (the words weren't really bad in the first place). And don't read it TOO seriously, as I do have my opinions, but I want it to be somewhat of a light-hearted discussion point!
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| January 15, 2014, 10:30 pm
Oh and one more thing...am I the only one who noticed/was disappointed by the lack of the Misty Mountains theme motif? I thought it was the main theme of Thorin and Co. (very prominent in the first), but it didn't appear once in the second film. I thought it was gonna be similar to how the Fellowship theme stayed constant throughout the LOTR trilogy! Weird...I really like it too! It's absence was saddening.

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| January 15, 2014, 10:35 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Oh and one more thing...am I the only one who noticed/was disappointed by the lack of the Misty Mountains theme motif? I thought it was the main theme of Thorin and Co. (very prominent in the first), but it didn't appear once in the second film. I thought it was gonna be similar to how the Fellowship theme stayed constant throughout the LOTR trilogy! Weird...I really like it too! It's absence was saddening.

I totally agree. It didn't show up once in the whole movie. But therefore they had many other great themes like Lake-town or Kili's and Tauriel's romance. But none of them was as epic as the Misty Mountains theme.
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| January 16, 2014, 7:59 am
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I think a normal bow would be much cooler too. That would make him much more of an hero.
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| January 16, 2014, 9:50 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I think a normal bow would be much cooler too. That would make him much more of an hero.

Yes, I would love it if the windlance got destroyed.
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| January 16, 2014, 2:43 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think a normal bow would be much cooler too. That would make him much more of an hero.

YES! I wish they would make it so that Smaug would break that weapon and Bard would have to reach for his bow and shoot the black arrow with it. Of course, that arrow probably wouldn't work for his bow. :(
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| January 16, 2014, 5:57 pm
I loved the movie I saw it 3 times (with family, friend, uncle) I like how u see peter at the very start with his carrot again hahaha, but the kili and tauriel scene was over the top but smaug was awesome but I rather smaug with 4 legs and wings on his back.

I just realise peter is in every hobbit/lotr movie like:

FOTR: his a man with a carrot in bree
TTT: his a soldier in the battle of Helms Deep (he was throwing a spear)
ROTK: He was a corsair pirate

and the hobbit:
UJ: he was a dwarf guy running away from the dragon at the start
DOS: he was a guy with a carrot again!

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| January 17, 2014, 12:35 am
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Quoting Professor B.
YES! I wish they would make it so that Smaug would break that weapon and Bard would have to reach for his bow and shoot the black arrow with it. Of course, that arrow probably wouldn't work for his bow. :(

Yes! Just like the scene with Isildur, Sauron and the One Ring in FOTR. That would put much more tention to the plot.
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| January 17, 2014, 4:15 am
Wow, glad to see you guys like my idea...I shoulde write this stuff! Haha, but I would see it as Bard reaching the top of the tower, locking in the arrow then-bam, Smaug destroys it- breif sad moment of defeat (maybe even his kids could be watching from a distance). But all of a sudden Bard steps out through the top of the tower through some fire, and shoots an arrow with his bow and kills it. Epic.
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| January 17, 2014, 11:16 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Wow, glad to see you guys like my idea...I shoulde write this stuff! Haha, but I would see it as Bard reaching the top of the tower, locking in the arrow then-bam, Smaug destroys it- breif sad moment of defeat (maybe even his kids could be watching from a distance). But all of a sudden Bard steps out through the top of the tower through some fire, and shoots an arrow with his bow and kills it. Epic.

Yes, that would be awesome.
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| January 17, 2014, 12:22 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Wow, glad to see you guys like my idea...I shoulde write this stuff! Haha, but I would see it as Bard reaching the top of the tower, locking in the arrow then-bam, Smaug destroys it- breif sad moment of defeat (maybe even his kids could be watching from a distance). But all of a sudden Bard steps out through the top of the tower through some fire, and shoots an arrow with his bow and kills it. Epic.

Or maybe a short dialogue between Smaug and Bard. Bard lies on the ground with the destroyed windlance at his side. And then Smaug laughs and says: "You were expected to fail like your forebear Girion. Fool! Don't you understand? Nothing can stop me!" And then Bard stands up and shoots the arrow without the windlance. Smaug didn't expect that and is so surprised that he can't react at the right moment.
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| January 18, 2014, 4:32 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Or maybe a short dialogue between Smaug and Bard. Bard lies on the ground with the destroyed windlance at his side. And then Smaug laughs and says: "You were expected to fail like your forebear Girion. Fool! Don't you understand? Nothing can stop me!" And then Bard stands up and shoots the arrow without the windlance. Smaug didn't expect that and is so surprised that he can't react at the right moment.

Or maybe it will be that Bard is laying on the ground, and Smaug is about to kill him, then suddenly, out of the blue, Legolas comes, picks up the black arrow, and shoots Smaug! :P
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| January 18, 2014, 10:32 am
Quoting LE Studioz
I loved the movie I saw it 3 times (with family, friend, uncle) I like how u see peter at the very start with his carrot again hahaha, but the kili and tauriel scene was over the top but smaug was awesome but I rather smaug with 4 legs and wings on his back.

I just realise peter is in every hobbit/lotr movie like:

FOTR: his a man with a carrot in bree
TTT: his a soldier in the battle of Helms Deep (he was throwing a spear)
ROTK: He was a corsair pirate

and the hobbit:
UJ: he was a dwarf guy running away from the dragon at the start
DOS: he was a guy with a carrot again!

Oh, I didn't see Peter in the first Hobbit movie. I'll have to look next time.
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| January 18, 2014, 10:35 am
Quoting Professor B.
Oh, I didn't see Peter in the first Hobbit movie. I'll have to look next time.


I couldnt find at first but peter says it in the behind the scene extended edition :)

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| January 18, 2014, 7:26 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Or maybe a short dialogue between Smaug and Bard. Bard lies on the ground with the destroyed windlance at his side. And then Smaug laughs and says: "You were expected to fail like your forebear Girion. Fool! Don't you understand? Nothing can stop me!" And then Bard stands up and shoots the arrow without the windlance. Smaug didn't expect that and is so surprised that he can't react at the right moment.
something like that would be cool too!

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| January 18, 2014, 7:49 pm
The issue of the Windlance was discussed on EB for a while. The conclusion was it would, to the wider audience, look super unrealistic for a tiny arrow to kill a GIANT dragon. I agree with that conclusion.
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| January 18, 2014, 8:00 pm
Quoting LE Studioz

I couldnt find at first but peter says it in the behind the scene extended edition :)

And I got the extended edition for Christmas! Yippee!
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| January 18, 2014, 10:22 pm
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Quoting Professor B.
And I got the extended edition for Christmas! Yippee!

Awesome! I got it for my Birthday!

I still think they could have added more than just 14 minutes though.
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| January 19, 2014, 11:00 am
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Quoting Professor B.
Oh, I didn't see Peter in the first Hobbit movie. I'll have to look next time.

He is also a Gondor citizen running from a collapsing tower in Minas Tirith.
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| January 19, 2014, 6:29 pm
Quoting Professor B.
And I got the extended edition for Christmas! Yippee!

same here, i got on blue ray its awesome funny bit is when kili flirts with the elf hahahha
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| January 20, 2014, 1:12 am
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Quoting LE Studioz
same here, i got on blue ray its awesome funny bit is when kili flirts with the elf hahahha

Haha! Or when the dwarves use the elvish fountain as a pool! :D
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| January 20, 2014, 7:51 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Haha! Or when the dwarves use the elvish fountain as a pool! :D


i got the hobbit 2 soundtrack extended edition and it shows some extended parts thats gonna be in the hobbit 2 extended edition dvd. Like i think one is mirkwood....
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| January 20, 2014, 7:56 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Oh and one more thing...am I the only one who noticed/was disappointed by the lack of the Misty Mountains theme motif? I thought it was the main theme of Thorin and Co. (very prominent in the first), but it didn't appear once in the second film. I thought it was gonna be similar to how the Fellowship theme stayed constant throughout the LOTR trilogy! Weird...I really like it too! It's absence was saddening.
Personally after listening to the Music from UEJ, I didn't really like it anymore. It didn't feel, 'Middle Earthy' even if it was Darvishish. I did, however, love the DOS movie score. (Or whatever it's called)

It pulled me in, and kept reminding me that we were in Middle Earth. :)

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| January 20, 2014, 4:11 pm
Quoting LE Studioz
same here, i got on blue ray its awesome funny bit is when kili flirts with the elf hahahha


Haha! Yeah, that part cracks me up!

Quoting LE Studioz

i got the hobbit 2 soundtrack extended edition and it shows some extended parts thats gonna be in the hobbit 2 extended edition dvd. Like i think one is mirkwood....


I got the soundtrack too! Really excited for the extended edition!

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| January 21, 2014, 2:05 pm
My favorite part of the movie was the barrels scene. Crazily funny! I mean, who doesn't like watching a bunch of dwarves have archers jump on their heads and shoot the bad guys? It was hilarious. We went to my small town's theater to see it, and surprisingly there was only one other family there. That just goes to show how small our town is. Anyways, great movie!
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| January 21, 2014, 3:17 pm
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Quoting ShadowWolf 361
My favorite part of the movie was the barrels scene. Crazily funny! I mean, who doesn't like watching a bunch of dwarves have archers jump on their heads and shoot the bad guys? It was hilarious. We went to my small town's theater to see it, and surprisingly there was only one other family there. That just goes to show how small our town is. Anyways, great movie!

I remember the first time I was in AUJ. There were only like 10 other people in the theater.
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| January 22, 2014, 12:03 pm
I thought the part in Erebor was a little silly. Like when a gold statue melted on Smaug. And when they start up the furnaces. Also, when The dwarf in the barrel flies out of the water and kills 10 orcs whiled trapped in a barrel is a little silly. Over all, the movie wasn't the greatest. 6.5/10
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| January 26, 2014, 6:56 am
Quoting Adam Brunsting
I thought the part in Erebor was a little silly. Like when a gold statue melted on Smaug. And when they start up the furnaces. Also, when The dwarf in the barrel flies out of the water and kills 10 orcs whiled trapped in a barrel is a little silly. Over all, the movie wasn't the greatest. 6.5/10


Would youhave rather had ten orcs kill you? No? Then ok, case closed.
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| January 26, 2014, 8:11 am
Quoting ShadowWolf 361

Would youhave rather had ten orcs kill you? No? Then ok, case closed.

I am not trying to argue anything. I just think the movie was a bit unbelieveable.
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| January 26, 2014, 8:26 am
Quoting Adam Brunsting
I am not trying to argue anything. I just think the movie was a bit unbelieveable.

Yeah I also thought the molten gold was a bit ridiculous but I think the Barrels scene added the humor the movie needed because the Hobbit is a much lighter story than Lord of the Rings.
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| January 26, 2014, 8:30 am
Quoting Evan Botkin
Yeah I also thought the molten gold was a bit ridiculous but I think the Barrels scene added the humor the movie needed because the Hobbit is a much lighter story than Lord of the Rings.

I agree. I just think the barrels scene was a little far fetched.
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| January 26, 2014, 8:36 am
Quoting Adam Brunsting
I thought the part in Erebor was a little silly. Like when a gold statue melted on Smaug. And when they start up the furnaces. Also, when The dwarf in the barrel flies out of the water and kills 10 orcs whiled trapped in a barrel is a little silly. Over all, the movie wasn't the greatest. 6.5/10

I do agree to a point, but it didn't ruin the movie for me overall...I'd still give ot a B+ to A-
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| January 27, 2014, 2:01 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
Take a look here!

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| June 12, 2014, 9:06 am
I haven't watched "The desolation of Smaug" yet. Is it any good?
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| June 24, 2014, 9:35 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Ok, so here is my run down:

Overall I liked most of the movie, there were just a few points that annoyed me.

1. Places to go, people to see!

Almost the entire movie felt very rushed. You only get Beorn for 10 minutes, and Mirkwood barely lasts a half hour, (not counting the barrel battle or anything not to do with the dwarves). Laketown is about a half hour at the very most, and most of the movie is spent on The last battle with Smaug.

2. In Upendi!

Awwwww, Kili and Tauriel are so cute! NOT! This love story drove me up the wall. I didn't mind it when it was just comical at the beginning, but by the end it sickened me.

3. Speaking of...

Speaking of Kili, number 3 is, why on earth split up the company?! Not only does it make no sense, but it creates major problems for the next movie. I will point out that in the next movie the dwarves barricade themselves inside the mountain. This creates a gigantic problem for There and Back Again.

4. Bombur the mime

As of yet Bombur has not spoken a single line. He grunts and screams, but nothing else. Along with that is the dark stream which was completely left out, as were the elf feasts. Both of these scenes provided the perfect times for Bombur to talk, but none of them were included.

5. Smaug

The biggest, and only real problem I have with Smaug is the way his fore-feet were made. Rather than a dragon with four legs, and wings on his back, his front legs are part of his wings. This makes him look very spidery, and clashes a lot with the thick, neck, tail, and hind legs he has.

6. Black Harpoon?

It's an arrow, not a javelin. Tolkien is very clear that Bard shoots an arrow at Smaug. Now the battle with Smaug hasn't happened yet, but we have already seen that they do not at all intend to have Bard shoot an arrow at Smaug, instead it will be one of those huge spears from the silver ballista. Speaking of which, what happened to Smaug being vulnerable underneath? It says that the reason he is no longer that way is because his belly is covered in Diamonds, except for the one spot on his left chest.

7. Animation

There was almost as much animation as last movie. The biggest problem with the animation was that Bolg was changed to a computer character rather than a cosmetic one.

8. Gandalf and Beorn

Why not have the story from Gandalf? If nothing else we could have at least had Beorn in the movie more.

9. I came from the end of a bag....

Sadly that line is just what that scene was missing. The riddle talk between Smaug and Bilbo, lasted a total of 1-2 minutes, and Biblo did not say nearly enough.



*EDIT*

Forgot to add this:

10. The end

Really? Drown Smaug in gold? Really? REALLY? This is simply ridiculous. Smaug loves gold, he slept under hundreds of thousands of pounds of it. There is no way he is going to drown in it. And don't even start about the heat. He's a fire drake, he could live in a volcano and he would be just fine. This last scene was not only too long, but it made the dwarves look ridiculous in the process.

Overall, it was a good movie, far, far better than the last, but there were still a lot of problems with it. The biggest problems now, though, are the ones they have created for the next movie.

~Mark


Hey Mark!

I totally agree with your review. BTW I found this on the internet and your comment about Smaug's legs reminded me about this.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140301202437/lotr/images/4/40/Smaug_Pgs22_23Z.jpg

I personally don't understand why they didn't take this one. It looks a lot more like a dragon.
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| June 24, 2014, 10:46 pm
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Quoting Mariner 1000

Hey Mark!

I totally agree with your review. BTW I found this on the internet and your comment about Smaug's legs reminded me about this.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140301202437/lotr/images/4/40/Smaug_Pgs22_23Z.jpg

I personally don't understand why they didn't take this one. It looks a lot more like a dragon.

I totally agree!

Maybe they gave him 4 extremities because they thought a non-insect creature with 4 legs plus 2 wings would be unrealistic. But then again this is fantasy, and in a fantasy world nothing follows reality...

The official Smaug version isn't really cool and majestic enough, the wings-thing really destroyed his appearance and annoyed me every time I was looking at him.
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| June 25, 2014, 2:57 am
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Quoting Mariner 1000

Hey Mark!

I totally agree with your review. BTW I found this on the internet and your comment about Smaug's legs reminded me about this.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140301202437/lotr/images/4/40/Smaug_Pgs22_23Z.jpg

I personally don't understand why they didn't take this one. It looks a lot more like a dragon.

Yes, this would have been much better.
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| June 25, 2014, 9:36 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I totally agree!

Maybe they gave him 4 extremities because they thought a non-insect creature with 4 legs plus 2 wings would be unrealistic. But then again this is fantasy, and in a fantasy world nothing follows reality...

The official Smaug version isn't really cool and majestic enough, the wings-thing really destroyed his appearance and annoyed me every time I was looking at him.

I agree. It really bugs me that he doesn't have four actual legs, but it seems to be a common thing nowadays. The dragon in Maleficent looked very much the same as Smaug did with the wing-arms.
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| June 25, 2014, 9:37 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I agree. It really bugs me that he doesn't have four actual legs, but it seems to be a common thing nowadays. The dragon in Maleficent looked very much the same as Smaug did with the wing-arms.

Yeah, it's a common thing I see, common but very sad...

I mean even Saphira from the Eragon movie looked better!
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| June 26, 2014, 2:57 am
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