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If you haven't seen the movie yet i suggest you dont read this topic until you have.
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| December 12, 2012, 6:16 pm
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There are a few things I wanted to say

-One of the first things we saw in the movie was the Fall of Erebor and Dale. The Kingdom of Erebor was just amazing. It was HUGE, much bigger than anything else we saw in LOTR. We also saw Thranduil for a few scenes, riding on an elk. He was watching the destruction of Erebor, but he didn't help the dwarves, when he saw the power of the dragon. since then the dwarves hate the elves of Mirkwood.

- Radagast is not Jar-Jar-like at all. He is a lovable character and very well out in the acting of the movie. His bunny-sleigh doesn't ruin it either.

- Interesting fact: Gandalf tells Bilbo about the Order of the Istari: "Two Blue wizards, which names I forgot" (Alatar and Pallando), Saruman and Radagast.

- The performances of the actors were excellent and each dwarf was different and awesome in his own way. Thorin and Balin had 90% of all dialogues though and only half of the dwarves were shown often enough: Dwalin, Balin, Thorin, Kili, Fili and Bofur. The others have some quite funny dialogue parts too, with one exception: Bombur. He doesn't say any word, nor is he shown very often at all.

- There is a big change regarding Azog. He kills Thror, Thorin's grandfather, but other than in the appendixes, it is not the reason for the battle of Azanulbizar. He kills him IN the battle instead and is not killed by Dain, but fights with Thorin and he survives. Then he wants revenge and follows Thorin & Co until they are in the burning trees. He has another duel with Thorin (I won't tell the rest, because it's one of the movie highlights.)

- The designs of The Great Goblin and Azog are not my taste. They look to much like if they were from G.d. Torro. Azog looks unrealistic and too much like a knock-off of another creature.

- The movie ends with the scene I told you yesterday.

- We got to see Smaug, Spiders, Thrush and a huge white wolf. And giants, who are as huge as mountains. The dwarves and Bilbo are walking on a giant's leg!!

- Gollum is awesome, as always, if not even better!!

- There aren't any important details from the book that are left out, but there are some scenes from the trailers that aren't in the movie. Can't wait for the extended edition. Here the missing scenes:
*The Bywater-market scene
*Gandalf's duel with Thrain
*Everything Gandalf did in Dol Guldur and when he was away
*Bilbo sees the remains of Narsil
*some scenes in Bag End

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| December 13, 2012, 10:48 am
I saw it today and i give it 7/10

The extra stuff they added is pretty good i dont like the whole Azog thing all that much, the Goblins were not around as much as they should.
The soundtrack is great, i like that they use some of the music from LOTR.
Erabor and dale are fantastic, the dwarfs are all unique and awesome.
A cool thing i noticed was that Gloin resembles Gimli quite a bit and he has the axe Gimli uses in LOTR!
The scene with Gollom was one of my favorites.
All the characters were awesome, Radagast is great.
I also really liked the stone giants.

It also ended in a weird place, i didnt know it ended until the credits rolled.

Hopefully the next ones will be even better (Dain still could kill Azog)
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| December 14, 2012, 12:55 pm
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7/10 is also my rating for it, I will post a full review later.
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| December 14, 2012, 1:41 pm
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i may be biased but i gotta give it a 10/10. Jackson was able to take a third of a childrens novel and turn it into 3 hours of quality film that rivals the lord of the rings. Martin Freeman, richard armitage, Ian Mcklellen and andy serkis were incredible. The prologue was unexpected but did an amazing job of showing the glory of the dwarves. Overall i felt the movie was incredible. Beautiful landscapes, humor mixed with honor and courage, and even a glimpse of smaug. Who could ask for more! The only thing that bothered me was smaug looked a bit blue in the last scene, but i guess we'll see later on what he truly looks like.
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| December 14, 2012, 3:16 pm
Hmmm....I wrote a long review earlier today and for some reason it's gone.
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| December 14, 2012, 6:07 pm
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I just... Loved it. I was disappointed that the scene where bilbo found the ring didn't line up with the one if FOTR at all... But give us a chance precious, give us a chance!
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| December 14, 2012, 6:41 pm
I am going to see it tommorrow morning.
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| December 14, 2012, 6:50 pm
I haven't been able to see it yet but I am so excited
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| December 14, 2012, 7:09 pm
I have a question. Where does it stop off? I can't wait to see it, but I sadly won't get time until a while after Christmas.
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| December 14, 2012, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Netro .
I have a question. Where does it stop off? I can't wait to see it, but I sadly won't get time until a while after Christmas.

The eagles, with little to no ceremony, drop the Dwarves off on the Carrock and that is about the end scene.
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| December 14, 2012, 8:31 pm
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I loved it so much! I'll give it a 100/10! Martin made Bilbo a fun and great character! I loved all the dwarves and Radagast was a fun and likable character! I also loved how Frodo went off to meet Gandalf in the beginning! Sadly,they didn't put the whole Lonely Mountain Song. =( I liked how they also put In Chip the Plates song!
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| December 14, 2012, 9:01 pm
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Quoting Link .
I loved it so much! I'll give it a 100/10! Martin made Bilbo a fun and great character! I loved all the dwarves and Radagast was a fun and likable character! I also loved how Frodo went off to meet Gandalf in the beginning! Sadly,they didn't put the whole Lonely Mountain Song. =( I liked how they also put In Chip the Plates song!

I was very sad how little of the mist mountains song was in it. I did not expect them to have the whole song, but I did expect more than two verses of a nine verse song.
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| December 14, 2012, 10:06 pm
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Quoting Netro .
I have a question. Where does it stop off? I can't wait to see it, but I sadly won't get time until a while after Christmas.

Like Mark said, it ends with the Carrock. Far in the East the dwarves can see the Lonely Mountain and the camera goes inside the mountain and then... Smaug's eye opens. THE END.
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| December 15, 2012, 4:54 am
From what i hear the next movie is called smaug's desolation and then the after that is there and back again.

Funny that we all thought the movie was going to end in mirkwood. the lego sets are a whole year ahead!

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| December 15, 2012, 8:19 am
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
From what i hear the next movie is called smaug's desolation and then the after that is there and back again.

Funny that we all thought the movie was going to end in mirkwood. the lego sets are a whole year ahead!

Yes, Lego made the sets when the Hobbit was only going to be two parts instead of three, so when PJ changed it to three movies they started calling the sets in Mirkwood "Special Trilogy Preview" sets.
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| December 15, 2012, 11:58 am
I thought it was awesome. What do you guys think that thing radagast saw(not the Which-King) that black figure? The stone Giants were awesome and the Trolls were very funny, you know when that one got snot all over bilbo!
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| December 15, 2012, 3:28 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
There are a few things I wanted to say

-One of the first things we saw in the movie was the Fall of Erebor and Dale. The Kingdom of Erebor was just amazing. It was HUGE, much bigger than anything else we saw in LOTR. We also saw Thranduil for a few scenes, riding on an elk. He was watching the destruction of Erebor, but he didn't help the dwarves, when he saw the power of the dragon. since then the dwarves hate the elves of Mirkwood.

- Radagast is not Jar-Jar-like at all. He is a lovable character and very well out in the acting of the movie. His bunny-sleigh doesn't ruin it either.

- Interesting fact: Gandalf tells Bilbo about the Order of the Istari: "Two Blue wizards, which names I forgot" (Alatar and Pallando), Saruman and Radagast.

- The performances of the actors were excellent and each dwarf was different and awesome in his own way. Thorin and Balin had 90% of all dialogues though and only half of the dwarves were shown often enough: Dwalin, Balin, Thorin, Kili, Fili and Bofur. The others have some quite funny dialogue parts too, with one exception: Bombur. He doesn't say any word, nor is he shown very often at all.

- There is a big change regarding Azog. He kills Thror, Thorin's grandfather, but other than in the appendixes, it is not the reason for the battle of Azanulbizar. He kills him IN the battle instead and is not killed by Dain, but fights with Thorin and he survives. Then he wants revenge and follows Thorin & Co until they are in the burning trees. He has another duel with Thorin (I won't tell the rest, because it's one of the movie highlights.)

- The designs of The Great Goblin and Azog are not my taste. They look to much like if they were from G.d. Torro. Azog looks unrealistic and too much like a knock-off of another creature.

- The movie ends with the scene I told you yesterday.

- We got to see Smaug, Spiders, Thrush and a huge white wolf. And giants, who are as huge as mountains. The dwarves and Bilbo are walking on a giant's leg!!

- Gollum is awesome, as always, if not even better!!

- There aren't any important details from the book that are left out, but there are some scenes from the trailers that aren't in the movie. Can't wait for the extended edition. Here the missing scenes:
*The Bywater-market scene
*Gandalf's duel with Thrain
*Everything Gandalf did in Dol Guldur and when he was away
*Bilbo sees the remains of Narsil
*some scenes in Bag End

Yea, when Azog was fighting thorin(the first time you saw him) it looked like a video game tralier. It looked very computerized.
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| December 15, 2012, 3:30 pm
Quoting William .
i may be biased but i gotta give it a 10/10. Jackson was able to take a third of a childrens novel and turn it into 3 hours of quality film that rivals the lord of the rings. Martin Freeman, richard armitage, Ian Mcklellen and andy serkis were incredible. The prologue was unexpected but did an amazing job of showing the glory of the dwarves. Overall i felt the movie was incredible. Beautiful landscapes, humor mixed with honor and courage, and even a glimpse of smaug. Who could ask for more! The only thing that bothered me was smaug looked a bit blue in the last scene, but i guess we'll see later on what he truly looks like.

Yea I think the rating out of 10 was up there, 9/10 I think. I heard (before i saw it) that some ratings on some movie rating websites were 2.5/5!
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| December 15, 2012, 3:32 pm
Quoting Boarder Ryan
Hmmm....I wrote a long review earlier today and for some reason it's gone.

Blast whoever deleted it!
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| December 15, 2012, 3:33 pm
In the hobbit an unexpected journey lego sets, we see mirkwood spiders and escape in the barrels. Do you think we will see those in the extended edition or in the "Desolation of Smaug"?
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| December 15, 2012, 3:41 pm
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Quoting Daniel Henson
In the hobbit an unexpected journey lego sets, we see mirkwood spiders and escape in the barrels. Do you think we will see those in the extended edition or in the "Desolation of Smaug"?

Desolatation of smaug.
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| December 15, 2012, 4:06 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
I thought it was awesome. What do you guys think that thing radagast saw(not the Which-King) that black figure? The stone Giants were awesome and the Trolls were very funny, you know when that one got snot all over bilbo!
Sauron.
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| December 15, 2012, 7:29 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
Yea, when Azog was fighting thorin(the first time you saw him) it looked like a video game tralier. It looked very computerized.

Azog looked silly.
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| December 15, 2012, 7:32 pm
Ok here's my second try at a review as my last disappeared as readily as Bilbo when he put on Gollum's ring. *badum PSHH* Ah thank you. lol

- The 3D was beautiful (I've never seen a 3D movie and I was impressed); it brought you into the journey more than the other films did.
- The intro, while less memorable than the intro for the Fellowship, was impressively captivating, if long. Erebor was well designed and the story as told by Bilbo was a welcome narration.
- The whole Unexpected Party scene was my favorite in the film and was incredibly well done. The fact that they included Chip the Glasses and Crack the Plates was great and that Celtic sounding rendition of it was very nice (I'm Irish and Welsh by heritage...and English, German, and Transylvanian).
- The whole nonsense with Azog and his warg riders was useless and took away from the film as well as slowing it down.
- The Goblin King was terribly designed, in my opinion, and the whole goblin city was wrong; too many catwalks. It was described as a large stone cavern lit by torches along the walls. How they fell into the city through the floor was incredibly disappointing as I loved the imagery of the goblins coming out of the darkness and grabbing the Dwarves and Bilbo and dragging them underground singing that song in deep voices.
- Gollum was amazing and I actually have no qualms with him this time around. The whole Riddles in the Dark scene was very well done with great acting by both Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis. Only one silly moment from Smeagol was acceptable while Gollum was pleasantly accurate. When Bilbo spared him the look in his eyes was one of anger mixed with a deep sadness and you needn't wonder why Bilbo spared him.
- Again, the whole business with Azog was not to my liking and one of my favorite scenes from the book, Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire was ruined. They weren't ambushed by the meeting of the Wargs, and the goblins didn't manage the fire to trap and frighten the Dwarves, Gandalf, and Bilbo. Without the whole "Fifteen Birds in Five Fir Trees" song, how is Gandalf supposed to peak Beorn's interest and get him to allow fourteen Dwarves safe haven? The duel with Azog and Thorin was lack-luster and just plain bad. I did, however, love the great eagles (even though they didn't visit the eyries and the eagles didn't speak and you DIDN'T GET TO SEE GWAIHIR!!! lol forgive my outburst).
- The scene where Bilbo and Thorin reconcile their differences isn't supposed to happen until the VERY end after the Battle of Five Armies.

Overall I loved this movie and will definitely see it one or more times again in the theater.
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| December 15, 2012, 8:08 pm
Oh and where was Evangeline Lilly? Maybe she is in the next one.
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| December 15, 2012, 8:12 pm
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Well Boarder, I think I agree with just about everything you posted there, except that I did not like how short the exiting of Goblin town was done, I felt that they should have had Gollum lead Bilbo instead of just having Bilbo running away terrified. And the buttons scene was supposed be done at the goblin gate, and not just some crack in a wall, and it also should be that the goblins were guarding the other opening as they are supposed to be very thorough at knowing their open spots. I was also very annoyed about the Lonely Mountain song by the dwarves being only two verses, I was hoping for at least four, maybe five. Finally since they had the lonely mountain song at the end in the credits I wish they would have had the whole song then.
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| December 15, 2012, 8:38 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Well Boarder, I think I agree with just about everything you posted there, except that I did not like how short the exiting of Goblin town was done, I felt that they should have had Gollum lead Bilbo instead of just having Bilbo running away terrified. And the buttons scene was supposed be done at the goblin gate, and not just some crack in a wall, and it also should be that the goblins were guarding the other opening as they are supposed to be very thorough at knowing their open spots. I was also very annoyed about the Lonely Mountain song by the dwarves being only two verses, I was hoping for at least four, maybe five. Finally since they had the lonely mountain song at the end in the credits I wish they would have had the whole song then.

Oh I agree; there's a lot more I could complain about lol. The Hobbit is my favorite book and I have literally read it hundreds of times. I do think that Del Toro would have made it darker and more accurate as well, though Jackson's film is still amazing.
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| December 15, 2012, 8:44 pm
And Mark, you can call me Ryan; I just like snowboarding. :)
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| December 15, 2012, 8:47 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Daniel Henson
I thought it was awesome. What do you guys think that thing radagast saw(not the Which-King) that black figure? The stone Giants were awesome and the Trolls were very funny, you know when that one got snot all over bilbo!
Sauron.

I think it would be cool if it was Morgoth!
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| December 15, 2012, 8:51 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Azog looked silly.

I thought Azog looked pretty Beast!!!
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| December 15, 2012, 8:52 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
I think it would be cool if it was Morgoth!

It was Sauron; Morgoth was banished to the void beyond the realms of existence long before.
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| December 15, 2012, 8:54 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
I thought it was awesome. What do you guys think that thing radagast saw(not the Which-King) that black figure? The stone Giants were awesome and the Trolls were very funny, you know when that one got snot all over bilbo!

That was the Necromancer, Gandalf and the white council discover that its Sauron.
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| December 15, 2012, 9:25 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Azog looked silly.

Yeah he did not not look enough like an orc
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| December 15, 2012, 9:35 pm
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
Yeah he did not not look enough like an orc

Agreed, and really they should not have had him alive at all, it should be Bolg that is revengeful to Thorin.
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| December 15, 2012, 9:53 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
I thought Azog looked pretty Beast!!!
to me, he looked to clean. His skin looked softer than mine. And the fact that he was all cgi was kinda cheap to me. It would've been more menacing if it were a costume and makeup. They pulled it off with Rings, so I don't see why they couldn't here.
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| December 15, 2012, 10:24 pm
Azog looked cooler than Gothmog did and he looked pretty real to me but I saw it in 3D so that might have made the difference.
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| December 15, 2012, 10:51 pm
Quoting Boarder Ryan
Azog looked cooler than Gothmog did and he looked pretty real to me but I saw it in 3D so that might have made the difference.
So did I. I just think he looked...out of place.
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| December 16, 2012, 12:25 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Boarder Ryan
Azog looked cooler than Gothmog did and he looked pretty real to me but I saw it in 3D so that might have made the difference.
So did I. I just think he looked...out of place.
In the theater he looked very real, and just plain sweaty, but looking back he looked like he was supposed to be in a game.

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| December 16, 2012, 12:38 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
Agreed, and really they should not have had him alive at all, it should be Bolg that is revengeful to Thorin.

I agree! It's an interesting idea that Thorin has a duel with Azog, but in my opinion Thorin should have killed him in the past and Bolg, his son should take his revenge and kill Thorin in the Battle of Five Armies. That would be much closer to the book, but still a good story, because they would "only" replace Thorin by Dain. (I still don't like the whole thing though)
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| December 16, 2012, 6:10 am
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I think the problem with Azog is that he looks like the typical archenemy from every second fantasy/science fiction movie. He doesn't have much of an individual personality and he doesn't say much more than typical archenemy phrases like "Kill them all!" They could have made that character much better. He's too boring and foreseeable.
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| December 16, 2012, 6:15 am
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Oh and where was Evangeline Lilly? Maybe she is in the next one.

She is a Mirkwood Elf and she and Legolas will be in the next one.
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| December 16, 2012, 6:21 am
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I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.
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| December 16, 2012, 6:26 am
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Daniel Henson
I thought Azog looked pretty Beast!!!
to me, he looked to clean. His skin looked softer than mine. And the fact that he was all cgi was kinda cheap to me. It would've been more menacing if it were a costume and makeup. They pulled it off with Rings, so I don't see why they couldn't here.

Yea he did and by the way, I like your buddy icon! Is radagast a great wizard, or is he like you(gandalf)? That make me LOL!
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| December 16, 2012, 8:38 am
my favorite parts are seeing the Dwarves in their kingdoms and their armies.I loved the dwarven battles just amazing. I was a little confused though because at the beginning u see smog's tail and its red at the end where u see part of his face it looked blue. I was just confused by that. Fantastic movie. A great welcome back for most of us lord of the rings fans.
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| December 16, 2012, 10:21 am
Quoting Daniel Henson
Yea he did and by the way, I like your buddy icon! Is radagast a great wizard, or is he like you(gandalf)? That make me LOL!
yeah, there were a lot of laughs in the movie!
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| December 16, 2012, 10:35 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.
I liked the inclusion of him, but not his appearance. And I agree, Bolg would've been better. Although we do know he's in the series.

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| December 16, 2012, 10:38 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.

I think they added him because they split the movie into three parts AFTER the production started, so they had to cram more stuff in.

They really didn't have to add him, and he could have easily been replaced by Bolg. and there are a lot of villains in the movie.
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| December 16, 2012, 1:31 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.
Exactly! I was explaining this to my family members,(well beside my dad)it would be very boring without him and I dint mind him being there. The Great Goblin encounter was awesome to me!

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| December 16, 2012, 5:51 pm
Quoting Link .
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.
Exactly! I was explaining this to my family members,(well beside my dad)it would be very boring without him and I dint mind him being there. The Great Goblin encounter was awesome to me!
I honestly thought that it wasn't menacing enough. The singing, though it was in the book, made it feel like a musical.

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| December 16, 2012, 8:20 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon
OK. Well... I've been out of it because I was sick, but here is my review.

The opening was amazing. The whole prologue was perfect. It brought us back into Middle-earth wonderfully. Erebor was AWESOME! And the cameo of Thranduil riding an irish elk was awesome.

The part was wonderfully done. And Mark. Yes. They missed a single line of the song. Big deal. :P It was amazing. The dwarves all had amazing singing voices in the Misty Mountain song, and it was beautifully done. I do wish they had included another verse, but cinematically, the scene worked best with only two.

Azog... he was my least favorite part. I did not mind that he was Azog and Bolg combined. That is a film decision that I think was made in good taste. But... he was WAY to CGI. I wish he would have been prosthetic. He was too... fake. The warg riders added a sense of urgency, but it wasn't perfect.

The trolls were great... nuff said. Well acted, the scene was funny.

Rivendell and the white council were well acted, seeing those actors together again was wonderful.

The Goblin town was interesting. I felt like it should have been done closer to the book. The Goblin King was bizarre, especially with his british accent. I felt like the whole thing was too comical, and not realistic in the least.

Riddles in the Dark: My hats off to Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis. This scene was played very well. The acting was brilliant. I do wish that Bilbo would have fallen and had Gollum pass him, and then ran after him. And Gollums look of desperation, fear, sadness, and anger... best CGI facial recognition ever. It was wonderful.

And then... fir trees. Well. Besides my earlier comments on Azog, I am in the middle on the scene. It was well done... sort of. The tree dominoe thing... was wierd. But I did like that the moth came to Gandalf... that was a nice touch. Bilbo saving Thorin was awesome. I was sad when Thorin lost the oakenshield...
The whole scene was sort of dissapointing.

Although I wish the eagles had talked, and I wish they were more important than they were, I do completely understand why they did it and disagree with Marks comment on "The eagles, with little to no ceremony, drop the Dwarves off on the Carrock and that is about the end scene." Not true. The scene was well done. The eyries would NOT WORK in the film. They just wouldn't. I think that having them end on the Carrock, and the dialog between Thorin and Bilbo, was wonderful. Thorin finally begins to recognize this hobbit may not be just as useless as he thought.


Characters:

Dwarves: Bofur, Fili, Kili, and Balin were the best developed. Overall, they were all well done, defined well, each having a different personality. Nori and Bombur didn't talk much, but everyone else had at least a line.

Bilbo: YES! Martin Freeman rocked the role. He did a wonderful job.

Thorin: Very good acting. He did a wonderful job as well.

Gandalf: He is just as good as we all remember him.

Radagast: Comical, funny, a little senile. He cracked me up, added a bit of lightheartedness to the movie, while at the same time adding a crucial part to the storyline with his discovery of the Necromancer.

Villains: Azog looks like a video game character. Even the Goblin King looks more realistic. All the other orcs look good. Wargs look very nice. Necromancer was interestingů but not too bad.

Well said, although i think a common mistake people assume is that Azog replaces Bolg.

Bolg will be in the next movie.
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| December 17, 2012, 9:14 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Link .
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the only reason why they put Azog in there is that in The HOBBIT they don't have many other main enemies except from Smaug. The movie would have been much better without him though. I mean, is there really a need for a great enemy in the first movie? They have The Great Goblin, his servants, the wargs and the trolls!! That's more than enough villains.
Exactly! I was explaining this to my family members,(well beside my dad)it would be very boring without him and I dint mind him being there. The Great Goblin encounter was awesome to me!
I honestly thought that it wasn't menacing enough. The singing, though it was in the book, made it feel like a musical.

The singing was wonderful, it wouldn't have been the Hobbit without it.
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| December 17, 2012, 9:43 am
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
Well said, although i think a common mistake people assume is that Azog replaces Bolg.

Bolg will be in the next movie.

For sure he will! But for some reasons Bolg is in the official movie guide of "The Hobbit an Unexpected Journey", while everything else that was left out after they announced 3 movies wasn't there anymore...
I still don't like the idea though, that father and son are alive at the same time. That's 1 main enemy too much and their roles are too similar.
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| December 17, 2012, 10:06 am
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Alright here is my full review:

As for the acting:

Gandalf: Wonderful of course.

The white council actors: Cate Blanchet, Hugo Weaving and Ian Mckelen are breathtaking actors. I loved them all.

Bilbo: As Aidan said he was wonderful! I do not think anyone could have been better.

Dwarves: Wonderful acting for most (if not all of them) I do wish they had all had more lines. (Especially Bombur, but that is just because he is my favorite I am sure he will get plenty more in the next movie though.)

I did not life the CGI with Azog, it only annoyed me and he looked fake.

Scenes:

Intro: This was well done, but I was hoping for a good look at Smaug, I did not like how obsessed Thror was with his gold, I wish he had been smarter than he was like in the book, and escaped with Thrain through the side door.

Bag End:

I was very happy that they had the first paragraph of the Hobbit spoken by Bilbo, (although they left out a few words, and since I have memorized that paragraph I was slightly disappointed about it.)

The "Good Morning" scene was fantastic, and the dwarves showing up was wonderful (Except I did not like that Thorin showed up late, that did not seem to fit) The Chip the Glasses song was done so well that I can ignore that they left out one line :) I wish the lonely mountain song had had the whole thing, (Though of course I did not expect that) but I was expecting at least three or four verses, perhaps the extended will have more.

I had hoped that the dwarves would be waiting at the green dragon and Bilbo would run at the urging of Gandalf and not just going by himself, but I know this was for him to seem more noble and less selfish.

I loved the troll scene, except that I was very annoyed that Bilbo stalled for time instead of Gandalf, as I was really looking forward to having Gandalf doing it.

I liked Radagast in it and all the scenes with him were really well done.

I did not like them Dwarves running over the plains to get to Rivendell, the whole 'secret entrance' just didn't fit.

Rivendell was great, I liked having Lindir in it since he was left out of LOTR, and seeing Elrond in armor was cool. I liked the Moon letters scene, and the white council was wonderful.

The scene in the mountains was cool, and the giants were amazing.

I wish the Dwarves had not just fallen into the caves, but rather had the goblins sneak out of the crack in the door.

I did not like how Bilbo was separated from the dwarves, I wish it had been closer to the book. I also wish the caves were more like caves and not so open. Also as a friend of mine pointed out, it is a little too convenient that the platform the dwarves stand falls, all the goblins fall off, everything EXCEPT that platform breaks off completely, and it only gets destroyed at the last moment conveniently dropping the dwarves on the ground low enough that they do not die on impact.

To backtrack a bit, I loved the fighting scenes in the goblin caves, almost all of the dwarves got a bit of screen time there.

Riddles in the dark:

This scene was most likely the best one in the movie. It was played extremely well, and was the highlight of the movie for me at least. (Yes they left out four riddles but I ignored that since it was so well done). I was disappointed though, with how Bilbo escaped Gollum, I wish it would have been like the book, and had Bilbo follow Gollum out and dodge the goblin guards.

Out of the frying pan, and into the fire:

This scene made me very disappointed. The whole point of the wargs was that they could not get at the company while they were in the trees. So I of course did not like the whole, tree domino ordeal. It was cool to see Thorin fight Azog, but I wish they would have left that out. Bilbo saving Thorin was great, and the eagles rescue was great!

Now we come to my least favorite part of the movie:

They left out the eagles talking to them! Regardless, Aidan, of that "it wouldn't work" because of the 'film style' or the 'filmmaker's perspective' or whatnot means nothing to me regarding this scene. PJ has a 300 (roughly) page book to make with 3, 3 hour movies, and he left that scene out. He had reason to leave stuff out with LOTR and I understand that (though of course I do not like it) but with this there is no excuse to leave such a large scene out.

Now, the very end of the movie, (though it was harder to appreciate due to my shock from the mess up that just took place) was good, and Thorin's line about never being so wrong about Bilbo was wonderful.

Finally the song in the credits of the movie:

It was cool to hear, and I like Neil Finn's voice, but instead of having different words like that they should have had him sing the whole original version from the book to compensate for the dwarves not singing it.

All in all it was a very good movie, it just not as good as I had hoped, I feel it could have been a lot better. I will say so far that all three LOTR movies are still higher on my favorites list than this movie.

If and when there is an extended version of this movie I expect quite a bit (if not almost all) of what I disliked will be fixed (just like with LOTR extended).

As Aidan will tell you though, I am very, very critical so do not let this discourage you from seeing the movie, it is definitely worth it.

~Mark
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| December 17, 2012, 10:23 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
Alright here is my full review:

As for the acting:

Gandalf: Wonderful of course.

The white council actors: Cate Blanchet, Hugo Weaving and Ian Mckelen are breathtaking actors. I loved them all.

Bilbo: As Aidan said he was wonderful! I do not think anyone could have been better.

Dwarves: Wonderful acting for most (if not all of them) I do wish they had all had more lines. (Especially Bombur, but that is just because he is my favorite I am sure he will get plenty more in the next movie though.)

I did not life the CGI with Azog, it only annoyed me and he looked fake.

Scenes:

Intro: This was well done, but I was hoping for a good look at Smaug, I did not like how obsessed Thror was with his gold, I wish he had been smarter than he was like in the book, and escaped with Thrain through the side door.

Bag End:

I was very happy that they had the first paragraph of the Hobbit spoken by Bilbo, (although they left out a few words, and since I have memorized that paragraph I was slightly disappointed about it.)

The "Good Morning" scene was fantastic, and the dwarves showing up was wonderful (Except I did not like that Thorin showed up late, that did not seem to fit) The Chip the Glasses song was done so well that I can ignore that they left out one line :) I wish the lonely mountain song had had the whole thing, (Though of course I did not expect that) but I was expecting at least three or four verses, perhaps the extended will have more.

I had hoped that the dwarves would be waiting at the green dragon and Bilbo would run at the urging of Gandalf and not just going by himself, but I know this was for him to seem more noble and less selfish.

I loved the troll scene, except that I was very annoyed that Bilbo stalled for time instead of Gandalf, as I was really looking forward to having Gandalf doing it.

I liked Radagast in it and all the scenes with him were really well done.

I did not like them Dwarves running over the plains to get to Rivendell, the whole 'secret entrance' just didn't fit.

Rivendell was great, I liked having Lindir in it since he was left out of LOTR, and seeing Elrond in armor was cool. I liked the Moon letters scene, and the white council was wonderful.

The scene in the mountains was cool, and the giants were amazing.

I wish the Dwarves had not just fallen into the caves, but rather had the goblins sneak out of the crack in the door.

I did not like how Bilbo was separated from the dwarves, I wish it had been closer to the book. I also wish the caves were more like caves and not so open. Also as a friend of mine pointed out, it is a little too convenient that the platform the dwarves stand falls, all the goblins fall off, everything EXCEPT that platform breaks off completely, and it only gets destroyed at the last moment conveniently dropping the dwarves on the ground low enough that they do not die on impact.

To backtrack a bit, I loved the fighting scenes in the goblin caves, almost all of the dwarves got a bit of screen time there.

Riddles in the dark:

This scene was most likely the best one in the movie. It was played extremely well, and was the highlight of the movie for me at least. (Yes they left out four riddles but I ignored that since it was so well done). I was disappointed though, with how Bilbo escaped Gollum, I wish it would have been like the book, and had Bilbo follow Gollum out and dodge the goblin guards.

Out of the frying pan, and into the fire:

This scene made me very disappointed. The whole point of the wargs was that they could not get at the company while they were in the trees. So I of course did not like the whole, tree domino ordeal. It was cool to see Thorin fight Azog, but I wish they would have left that out. Bilbo saving Thorin was great, and the eagles rescue was great!

Now we come to my least favorite part of the movie:

They left out the eagles talking to them! Regardless, Aidan, of that "it wouldn't work" because of the 'film style' or the 'filmmaker's perspective' or whatnot means nothing to me regarding this scene. PJ has a 300 (roughly) page book to make with 3, 3 hour movies, and he left that scene out. He had reason to leave stuff out with LOTR and I understand that (though of course I do not like it) but with this there is no excuse to leave such a large scene out.

Now, the very end of the movie, (though it was harder to appreciate due to my shock from the mess up that just took place) was good, and Thorin's line about never being so wrong about Bilbo was wonderful.

Finally the song in the credits of the movie:

It was cool to hear, and I like Neil Finn's voice, but instead of having different words like that they should have had him sing the whole original version from the book to compensate for the dwarves not singing it.

All in all it was a very good movie, it just not as good as I had hoped, I feel it could have been a lot better. I will say so far that all three LOTR movies are still higher on my favorites list than this movie.

If and when there is an extended version of this movie I expect quite a bit (if not almost all) of what I disliked will be fixed (just like with LOTR extended).

As Aidan will tell you though, I am very, very critical so do not let this discourage you from seeing the movie, it is definitely worth it.

~Mark

well said
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| December 17, 2012, 11:40 am
Like I said, I could DEFINITELY complain about more but I expected the film to be worse than it was so I was pleased. I agree that Jackson tried to appeal to everyone and not just the die-hard fans but I wish it were otherwise. I agree with Mark that things being left out of LotR made sense as some details are pointless but to leave anything out of the Hobbit when there are three movies being made makes no sense.

The eagles came heroically of their own volition in the book and the movie kind of ruined that by having Gandalf summon them. I always liked the eyries scene and Bilbo's "not at all like storks...I mean forks!" pun and was very disappointed they ended the movie in such a bland way.

I think that if Jackson made the film exactly to the book it wouldn't have gotten such bad reviews. He had no need to change or leave out anything to create an amazing movie and please fans and newcomers alike - I even think newcomers would have like it more if it were closer to the book.

Radagast, though comical, was a pointless addition to the film as far as the whole rabbit sleigh nonsense is concerned and could have simply been involved long enough to warn Gandalf about Dol Guldur. The hidden path marked by white stones leading to Rivendell should not have been stumbled upon as it was; they should have peacefully and calmly followed Gandalf as he led the way.

Rivendell was beautiful as always and the reading of the Moon Letters was a great scene.

I do wish Gandalf would have been the one to confuse the Trolls, but Bilbo's stalling instead was pretty comical. "I've got HUGE parasites!"

If I ever get the chance to make my stories into films, I'm going to use the money I make to remake The Hobbit. It was still a great movie but it would be a lot better if closer to the story. I also feel like I could fit the story into three hours and be closer to the book as I can read the book in less than three hours.
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| December 17, 2012, 2:48 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The singing was wonderful, it wouldn't have been the Hobbit without it.
I have to disagree there..I dunno, I just feel like it took away from him as a villain. He was too comical.

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| December 17, 2012, 2:49 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Mark Murphy
The singing was wonderful, it wouldn't have been the Hobbit without it.
I have to disagree there..I dunno, I just feel like it took away from him as a villain. He was too comical.

I think Mark thought you meant the singing at all and didn't realize you meant the Great Goblin. I agree that his short campy version was terrible and would much rather have had the song from the book as sung by the Goblins as they drag the Dwarves and Bilbo through the tunnels. The Rankin Bass cartoon was far closer to the book in that scene.

I'm going to go so far as to say that the Rankin Bass cartoon is better overall than Jackson's film (especially as far as accuracy to the original story is concerned), though it's still a great movie. I liked it better than the Two Towers or the Return of the King but the Fellowship of the Ring remains Jackson's best (though King Kong was AWESOME!!!)
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| December 17, 2012, 2:59 pm
I'm going to see it again on Wednesday hopefully...then I'm going to write a review.
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| December 17, 2012, 4:14 pm
Well, I am 25 so to some I may be a kid. :)

What involvement do you have in films and novels? I'm really interested as my best friend's brother does CGI and design and he'll definitely be involved with my four stories (at least in their earliest stages). I agree that books don't translate well to film (Harry Potter for one) but allow me some bitterness as the Hobbit is my favorite book lol.

I understand the loyalty to Jackson as he's one of the best filmmakers around and the skepticism as to my potential ability to create a work of ark as good or greater than his but I'm quite the movie critic and I'm confident in my (again potential) abilities. I won't share much of my story on here as my greatest fear in doing so is plagiarism, but it involves four Great Wars and a lot of Dwarves lol.

While Rankin Bass cartoons were aimed at an audience of children, they would be deemed too frightening nowadays and mine would most surely garner a rating of R or M as I like the darker side of fantasy and I prefer realism over whimsy. I guess it's a difference of opinion, but I'd rather cater to die-hard fans than the general populace.

In an ideal world, my films would be made by such a visionary genius as James Cameron but I know full well that they may not be made for decades or even, like Tolkien, posthumously. Still, I remain confident of my capability as both an author and a potential director and am positive my version of the Hobbit would be better. :)
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| December 17, 2012, 4:36 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon

I will say this: No matter the job that Phillipa Boyens, PJ, G del T, and the other scriptwriters did on the plot, look at the filmmaking. Pretty stinkin awesome, eh? Yeah! So even though I don't like many of his changes to LotR and The Hobbit, I admire his incredible talent at making a beautiful film like that.

~Aidan

Agreed; his visionary style is amazing (although New Zealand does a lot of the work).

If my stories don't make it to film, they won't be told; all that exists as of now is a pile of notes and hundreds of images in my head. When I started working on the story fourteen years ago I was in fifth grade and had just gotten the Hobbit from a book order a year or two prior. When I started, I intended to make a few novels but since then (after changing the story a LOT) I've only thought of the story in movie form, albeit perhaps with a narrator. It's very similar in form to the Silmarillian, as it spans thousands of years, and is mainly action though there are two separate stories : the first being singular and the second consisting of three parts though all is woven together.

Good luck in your film career!
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| December 17, 2012, 6:44 pm
Oh and I'm thinking of doing a build or two based on my story or at least, like Nuum eng Finten Morsei, based loosely on the world of the story.
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| December 17, 2012, 6:46 pm
Quoting Boarder Ryan
Well, I am 25 so to some I may be a kid. :)

25? that makes you one of our oldest active members
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| December 17, 2012, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
It wouldn't be as detailed, it wouldn't include the history of middle-earth, and it would be a kids movie. Just saying. The movie adapts a childrens book into an adult book using the rest of Tolkiens legendarium. If you solely followed the book, it would be for little kids. Except it would probably be to scary, so you would have little audience.

I do not mean to be harsh, but you and Mark both don't understand film. Although making films out of wonderful books is a great thing, it is also dangerous. They work completely differently. They are different mediums. I work in both, so I can understand it. There are some, even many things that do not need to be changed from a book. Even I don't understand why directors and screenwriters seek to add or take out completely unnecessary things.

BUT there is a great deal of difference, like I said, between film and writing. So changes must be made. In this movie, no matter how much you guys gripe, whine, cry and yell about it, eagles was one of them. I LOVE the eagles, don't get me wrong. But they didn't belong here. They didn't it wouldn't work.

-Aidan

I totally agree. Books and movies are totally different. Many things in the book would just appear stupid or childish, if we saw them again in the movie. In the children's book the Hobbit the dwarves are presented as a careless, crumbly and funny crowd who are always captured and saved by Bilbo or Gandalf and not as strong warriors. Well, this just wouldn't work in the movie, because everyone expects it to be as dark and exciting as the LOTR trilogy. The official children's book doesn't fit these expectations, so they had to take measures. I didn't expect them to put in the scene with the eagles, so I wasn't surprised at all that they left it out, although I was a bit disappointed. If I were the film-makers I would act the same way, except I would give one of the eagles a bit more importance. Maybe I would let Gandalf speak to the leader of the eagles in the background, while the others are flying away and Bilbo and the dwarves are talking about different things. (The eagle himself doesn't reply with words though) That would make him more intelligent, but would still not be childish or odd in any way.
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| December 18, 2012, 9:38 am
Seeing it tonight! Excitement galore!
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| December 18, 2012, 9:45 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
There are a few things I wanted to say

-One of the first things we saw in the movie was the Fall of Erebor and Dale. The Kingdom of Erebor was just amazing. It was HUGE, much bigger than anything else we saw in LOTR. We also saw Thranduil for a few scenes, riding on an elk. He was watching the destruction of Erebor, but he didn't help the dwarves, when he saw the power of the dragon. since then the dwarves hate the elves of Mirkwood.

- Radagast is not Jar-Jar-like at all. He is a lovable character and very well out in the acting of the movie. His bunny-sleigh doesn't ruin it either.

- Interesting fact: Gandalf tells Bilbo about the Order of the Istari: "Two Blue wizards, which names I forgot" (Alatar and Pallando), Saruman and Radagast.

- The performances of the actors were excellent and each dwarf was different and awesome in his own way. Thorin and Balin had 90% of all dialogues though and only half of the dwarves were shown often enough: Dwalin, Balin, Thorin, Kili, Fili and Bofur. The others have some quite funny dialogue parts too, with one exception: Bombur. He doesn't say any word, nor is he shown very often at all.

- There is a big change regarding Azog. He kills Thror, Thorin's grandfather, but other than in the appendixes, it is not the reason for the battle of Azanulbizar. He kills him IN the battle instead and is not killed by Dain, but fights with Thorin and he survives. Then he wants revenge and follows Thorin & Co until they are in the burning trees. He has another duel with Thorin (I won't tell the rest, because it's one of the movie highlights.)

- The designs of The Great Goblin and Azog are not my taste. They look to much like if they were from G.d. Torro. Azog looks unrealistic and too much like a knock-off of another creature.

- The movie ends with the scene I told you yesterday.

- We got to see Smaug, Spiders, Thrush and a huge white wolf. And giants, who are as huge as mountains. The dwarves and Bilbo are walking on a giant's leg!!

- Gollum is awesome, as always, if not even better!!

- There aren't any important details from the book that are left out, but there are some scenes from the trailers that aren't in the movie. Can't wait for the extended edition. Here the missing scenes:
*The Bywater-market scene
*Gandalf's duel with Thrain
*Everything Gandalf did in Dol Guldur and when he was away
*Bilbo sees the remains of Narsil
*some scenes in Bag End

Can I create a topic for conversing about the official lego the hobbit contest? It is found at http://thehobbit.us.lego.com/en-us/gallery/challenges/
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| December 18, 2012, 4:08 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
Can I create a topic for conversing about the official lego the hobbit contest? It is found at http://thehobbit.us.lego.com/en-us/gallery/challenges/

hehe i saw that today and immediately started building
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| December 18, 2012, 5:31 pm
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You're joking right!?! I had a HUGE review typed up, like 8 paragraphs long, and it didn't post right!!! Arrghhhhh!!! I'll post another one later... :(
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| December 18, 2012, 6:39 pm
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Quoting Daniel Henson

The black figure was THE NECROMANCER!!!! THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L!!!! AND THE NECROMANCER IS GOING TO SUMMON THE WITCH-KING!!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!

Sorry for my outburst of excitement. The Necromancer and THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L (Again, sorry) is all I care about. Nothing else in the universe is relevant, except that THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L!!!!!

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| December 18, 2012, 6:50 pm
Quoting ~ Caleb ~
The black figure was THE NECROMANCER!!!! THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L!!!! AND THE NECROMANCER IS GOING TO SUMMON THE WITCH-KING!!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!

Sorry for my outburst of excitement. The Necromancer and THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L (Again, sorry) is all I care about. Nothing else in the universe is relevant, except that THE WIZARDS ARE GONNA FIGHT THE NAZG█L!!!!!
are you assuming or did you get it from a source?

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| December 18, 2012, 8:15 pm
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Quoting Daniel Henson
Can I create a topic for conversing about the official lego the hobbit contest? It is found at http://thehobbit.us.lego.com/en-us/gallery/challenges/

Be free to create a topic! :)
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| December 19, 2012, 11:32 am
Quoting Aidan Moon
We do know that it is the Necromancer, and the wight who attacks Radagast is obviously the Witch King in wight form. And because we know the history of M-E that the White Council attacks Dol Guldor and fights the Nazgul, it is natural to assume that. But there is not true proof.


Yeah, altough the destruction of Dol Guldur is supposed to happen during the War of the Ring. They'll most likely expand on it though. I suspect there will either be a small battle, or a diversion that allows Sauron to escape to Mordor. After watching it for the second time today, I have a feeling Azog will become allies with Sauron possibly, and that they will try to recruit Smaug aswell.

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| December 19, 2012, 8:00 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon
Yes, but the White Council does boot Sauron at the time of the Hobbit. And somehow I feel that Azog and Bolg will be part of the Necromancers evil scheme. :P
Did you mean Saruman? LoL. And I would love to see some scenes with the three Istari (not counting the blues), maybe taking place in Isengard. Something to do with Saruman's treachery starting off. Plus I think it'd be wonderful to see Saruman and Radagast play off of eachother, since they're total opposites.

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| December 19, 2012, 9:19 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon
Yes, but the White Council does boot Sauron at the time of the Hobbit. And somehow I feel that Azog and Bolg will be part of the Necromancers evil scheme. :P

i hope not
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| December 20, 2012, 11:56 am
Quoting Monsterlego ,
i hope not

why not? It'd be an interesting twist that would reinforce the backstory on Sauron's return...
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| December 20, 2012, 3:47 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
why not? It'd be an interesting twist that would reinforce the backstory on Sauron's return...

Well the main reason for the Orc appearence in the battle of the five armies because they were enraged by the death of the great goblin.

The Nechromancer isn't really in the book, he's in dul Guldor to regenerate his power and eventually return to barad dur.
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| December 20, 2012, 4:08 pm
Quoting Monsterlego ,
Well the main reason for the Orc appearence in the battle of the five armies because they were enraged by the death of the great goblin.

The Nechromancer isn't really in the book, he's in dul Guldor to regenerate his power and eventually return to barad dur.


Exactly. And the Goblins that found the Dwarves, Gandalf, and Bilbo in the trees surrounded by Wargs were from the Goblin city as well, not random Warg-riders led by Azog. I also don't think the word "Orc" is even in the book; he used the term "Goblins" (which I prefer but maybe that's just me).

Here is the poem my dad always used to tell my sister and me. It's very old and was written by a colloquial poet named James Witcomb Riley, who first coined the term "Goblins". http://www.jameswhitcombriley.com/children%27s_poetry.htm
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| December 20, 2012, 8:35 pm
I think it would be cool..yes, it's different from the book, but if it was exactly the same...it wouldn't work well. the orc-backstory adds a lot of tension to the film, and I honestly thought that the "Out of the Frying Pan..." was a great scene.

I think it works quite nicely.
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| December 20, 2012, 9:18 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
I think it would be cool..yes, it's different from the book, but if it was exactly the same...it wouldn't work well. the orc-backstory adds a lot of tension to the film, and I honestly thought that the "Out of the Frying Pan..." was a great scene.

I think it works quite nicely.

I still dont know about the last scene i'll have to see it again
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| December 21, 2012, 10:59 am
Quoting Aidan Moon
No, I mean Sauron. Who is the Necromancer. The White Council invades Dol Guldor and kicks SAURON or the Necromancer out of Dol Guldor. At this point he moves to Baraddur.

I thought you were trying to say that they booted SARUMAN off of the White Council (and that you had mixed up Saruman and Sauron)! As I didn't recall this happening until his treachery in FOTR, I was a bit confused as to what you meant. And yeah, I know about that stuff...although it is supposed to happen during the War of the Ring, it would fit very well in the Hobbit I think.
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| December 21, 2012, 8:33 pm
Quoting Monsterlego ,
I still dont know about the last scene i'll have to see it again
the first time I saw it (I've seen it twice so far) I really enjoyed it, and it was even better the second time.

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| December 21, 2012, 10:26 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Actually, you are incorrect. Although Galadriel did cast down Dol Guldor and defeat the Nazgul and Saurons army in Dol Guldor, the White Council kicked Sauron out of Dol Guldor during the Hobbit. That is where Gandalf left to after the dwarves went into Mirkwood.

That's true. They even mentioned it in the last chapters of the book.
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| December 22, 2012, 4:25 am
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When my family and I went to see it, we were second in line. I have a sister named Hannah, and guess what the names of the 2 people in front of us were? Hannah and Caleb!
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| December 22, 2012, 9:38 am
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
When my family and I went to see it, we were second in line. I have a sister named Hannah, and guess what the names of the 2 people in front of us were? Hannah and Caleb!

Really? That's fabulous. Haha :D
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| December 23, 2012, 5:07 am
Quoting Aidan Moon
Actually, you are incorrect. Although Galadriel did cast down Dol Guldor and defeat the Nazgul and Saurons army in Dol Guldor, the White Council kicked Sauron out of Dol Guldor during the Hobbit. That is where Gandalf left to after the dwarves went into Mirkwood.
You're are misunderstanding what I was trying to say. The DESTRUCTION of Dol Guldur happens during the War of the Ring, not Sauron's fleeing to Mordor. There is an attack on Dol Guldur during the time of the Hobbit though, but there's an even larger one during the War of the Ring, which is what I was originally referring to.It just came out worded the wrong way I guess!I dunno what they're going to do with it in the film, but we'll just have to wait and see!
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| December 23, 2012, 11:31 am
Quoting Aidan Moon
I have never said anything about the destruction... I guess I wasn't completely sure of what you were saying. The White Council invaded during the time of the Hobbit, and cast out Sauron. And the elves of Lorien and Mirkwood attacked Dol Guldor again during the WotR, which destroyed the Nazgul and Orc force living there. And that is the point at which Galadhriel destroyed it completely.
Yeah, pretty much. I think I was a bit unclear at first too. My bad!

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| December 23, 2012, 5:50 pm
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So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?
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| December 24, 2012, 3:58 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?

Amazing. Simply spectacular! I was incredibly impresses with the HFR quality, which made seem as if you were there! I was actually trying to dodge arrows and spears as they fought in the movie!
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| December 24, 2012, 7:20 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?
I liked the whole prologue, and I got chills when I saw Thror's head cut off, and thrown across the battle feild. But, I'm not too fond of the way they made Erebor look. I don't like the color scheme,(black and gold) and to me it looked like something out of a sci-fi movie, know what I mean? Other than that, it looked alright though. Maybe if they had made it look like it was actually carved out of the mountain, like Moria. Moria felt more real to me than Erebor does I guess.

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| December 24, 2012, 10:23 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?

Is was good.
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| December 24, 2012, 2:24 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
It was wonderful. I really think they captured it well, although it was not how I originally imagined it. And they did Smaug perfectly to show us just enough to get us excited.

It was not at all how I imagined it. And that was why I loved it even more. It's much bigger than probably anything else we saw in the first 3 movies and the architecture is so wonderful, it's worth for even the Valar. First I thought it is maybe a little bit too powerful and huge, but we should remember that we are not talking about a throne room, but a whole kingdom in a huge mountain, in which most of the remaining dwarves in Middle-Earth live.
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| December 25, 2012, 5:40 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?
I liked the whole prologue, and I got chills when I saw Thror's head cut off, and thrown across the battle feild. But, I'm not too fond of the way they made Erebor look. I don't like the color scheme,(black and gold) and to me it looked like something out of a sci-fi movie, know what I mean? Other than that, it looked alright though. Maybe if they had made it look like it was actually carved out of the mountain, like Moria. Moria felt more real to me than Erebor does I guess.

I agree that it looked quite "modern" in a way, but the dwarves of Erebor were some of the most skilled people in architecture at those times. I still loved it, even if it sometimes seems a bit unrealistic.
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| December 25, 2012, 5:43 am
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?
I liked the whole prologue, and I got chills when I saw Thror's head cut off, and thrown across the battle feild. But, I'm not too fond of the way they made Erebor look. I don't like the color scheme,(black and gold) and to me it looked like something out of a sci-fi movie, know what I mean? Other than that, it looked alright though. Maybe if they had made it look like it was actually carved out of the mountain, like Moria. Moria felt more real to me than Erebor does I guess.
I have the exact reaction of you, execpt I think that Moria seemed a little bit too exposed, and I thought Erebor was awesome. It was just too shiny to seem old on the outside though, possibly causing your reaction as sort of scifi.

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| December 25, 2012, 9:30 pm
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Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Michael Kringe
So now that's cleared up. My next question is: What do you guys think about Erebor and the prologue?
I liked the whole prologue, and I got chills when I saw Thror's head cut off, and thrown across the battle feild. But, I'm not too fond of the way they made Erebor look. I don't like the color scheme,(black and gold) and to me it looked like something out of a sci-fi movie, know what I mean? Other than that, it looked alright though. Maybe if they had made it look like it was actually carved out of the mountain, like Moria. Moria felt more real to me than Erebor does I guess.
I have the exact reaction of you, execpt I think that Moria seemed a little bit too exposed, and I thought Erebor was awesome. It was just too shiny to seem old on the outside though, possibly causing your reaction as sort of scifi.

It looked cool, and I like Dale and I always wondered what the Dwarf women looked like.(pretty ugly heheh,jk) At least they didnt show all of what Azog did to Thror....
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| December 27, 2012, 7:28 pm
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For some reasons they decided that the dwarf women don't look like male dwarves as said in the books and TT movie. I don't like that idea. They look to much like human females.
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| December 28, 2012, 11:35 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
For some reasons they decided that the dwarf women don't look like male dwarves as said in the books and TT movie. I don't like that idea. They look to much like human females.

I noticed that.
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| December 28, 2012, 11:59 am
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I didn't notice the dwarf women?!?!
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| December 28, 2012, 12:38 pm
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Just short and ugly. Hehe... yeah. I agree. They are supposed to look more similar.

Exactly,and very hairy!
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| December 28, 2012, 1:17 pm
Ok here is a question for your guys. When we get our Azog minifig (for surely we will) will he be a normal minifig size, or will he be bigger? I've seen him described as 'as big as, if not larger than, an Uruk Hai', and those were normal. Thoughts?

-Ess
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| December 28, 2012, 4:19 pm
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Quoting 'Essence of Randomness
Ok here is a question for your guys. When we get our Azog minifig (for surely we will) will he be a normal minifig size, or will he be bigger? I've seen him described as 'as big as, if not larger than, an Uruk Hai', and those were normal. Thoughts?

-Ess

He might be, but I don't think so, because Uruk-hai are close to a foot taller than most humans and elves, and they were normal minifig size, but that's probably because TLG didn't want to design a whole new big minifig. Plus, if the Uruk-hai WERE bigger, the sets wouldn't come with as many. But they might make Azog bigger, because he is a major character, and he is also known for his size, and he's not just a foot-soldier. That's my thoughts. ~Caleb
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| December 28, 2012, 4:35 pm
Quoting ~ Caleb ~
He might be, but I don't think so, because Uruk-hai are close to a foot taller than most humans and elves, and they were normal minifig size, but that's probably because TLG didn't want to design a whole new big minifig. Plus, if the Uruk-hai WERE bigger, the sets wouldn't come with as many. But they might make Azog bigger, because he is a major character, and he is also known for his size, and he's not just a foot-soldier. That's my thoughts. ~Caleb


Good point...I would rather he is normal to be honest, as if he's bigger his posability won't be as good...

-Ess
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| December 28, 2012, 5:23 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
For some reasons they decided that the dwarf women don't look like male dwarves as said in the books and TT movie. I don't like that idea. They look to much like human females.

Finally, we disagree. I've never been keen on the idea of bearded women so the Dwarf women were okay with me though a bit portly and homely for my taste. I guess the Dwarf women in my stories are Dwarf supermodels because they are just shorter people, like Dwarf men (although many are stocky and all are quite curvy).

I have always seen the idea of bearded women as just one more thing to laugh at Dwarves for and, as I don't see Dwarves as nothing but comic relief, I don't like the idea.
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| December 29, 2012, 2:09 am
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Quoting 'Essence of Randomness
Ok here is a question for your guys. When we get our Azog minifig (for surely we will) will he be a normal minifig size, or will he be bigger? I've seen him described as 'as big as, if not larger than, an Uruk Hai', and those were normal. Thoughts?

-Ess
I hope he is a regular fig,his parts could be good!

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| December 29, 2012, 9:56 am
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Quoting Boarder Ryan
Finally, we disagree. I've never been keen on the idea of bearded women so the Dwarf women were okay with me though a bit portly and homely for my taste. I guess the Dwarf women in my stories are Dwarf supermodels because they are just shorter people, like Dwarf men (although many are stocky and all are quite curvy).

I have always seen the idea of bearded women as just one more thing to laugh at Dwarves for and, as I don't see Dwarves as nothing but comic relief, I don't like the idea.

Well, since Tolkien said that they look like male dwarves in the eyes of all the other races, you wouldn't really laugh about them, because you just wouldn't notice that they are women, nor would the clothes be typical female clothes. So I would just have left out the dwarf women.
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| December 29, 2012, 10:32 am
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I've finally watched the Hobbit movie! I have to say movie was great, although they have changed so many things...
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| December 29, 2012, 4:57 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Well, since Tolkien said that they look like male dwarves in the eyes of all the other races, you wouldn't really laugh about them, because you just wouldn't notice that they are women, nor would the clothes be typical female clothes. So I would just have left out the dwarf women.

I can understand why they would make this change, those who aren't familiar with tolkiens dwarfs wouldn't get it if there were no recognizable females
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| December 30, 2012, 12:02 am
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
I can understand why they would make this change, those who aren't familiar with tolkiens dwarfs wouldn't get it if there were no recognizable females

Hmmm... Yes, that's true, Monsterlego. It's probably the better choice to add recognizable females, since not many people know Middle-Earth as well as me or Aidan.
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| December 30, 2012, 10:53 am
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Quoting Thomas .
I've finally watched the Hobbit movie! I have to say movie was great, although they have changed so many things...

I agree. I love it and although I don't like the Azog-thing, I can live with it.
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| December 30, 2012, 10:54 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. I love it and although I don't like the Azog-thing, I can live with it.

Yeah. And though I know it wasn't possible for Bilbo to stand so coragousely in the Wargs fight I just love that moment and it made that movie great. That's embarassing!
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| December 30, 2012, 2:35 pm
It raises the question, though : if Tokien's Dwarf women look like Dwarf men, wouldn't there be a lot of...um..."fruity" Dwarves? lol

Normally I'm a strictly "by-the-books" person - especially when it comes to Tolkien's works - but I disagree with his ideas every so often.
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| December 30, 2012, 3:17 pm
I was watching Two Towers today, and it reminded me of the Dwarf-women. I did notice them in the Hobbit, but I didn't think much of it. Yes, they're supposed to have beards, but maybe in the movie-verse Gimli was just being sarcastic and trying to make Eowyn laugh. That's the only explanation I can think of. Also, maybe he meant they were capable of growing beards and blending in, just sometimes chose not to as we saw in the Hobbit.
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| December 30, 2012, 3:26 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
I was watching Two Towers today, and it reminded me of the Dwarf-women. I did notice them in the Hobbit, but I didn't think much of it. Yes, they're supposed to have beards, but maybe in the movie-verse Gimli was just being sarcastic and trying to make Eowyn laugh. That's the only explanation I can think of. Also, maybe he meant they were capable of growing beards and blending in, just sometimes chose not to as we saw in the Hobbit.


Also, Tolkien never confirmed that Dwarf women did, in fact, have beards; it was only hinted at by Gimli in the Return of the King. Peter Jackson seemed to agree that Gimli was joking as both he and Aragorn were obviously kidding and flirting with Eowyn.

(Either way, I know some human women who can grow beards...)
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| December 30, 2012, 3:52 pm
I got a big book about the Hobbit Movie. There's several pages about dwarven women. Originly they had big beards, but they though it was better if they had small, thin beards. Hope this helps!
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| December 30, 2012, 4:19 pm
Quoting Toa Infernum
I got a big book about the Hobbit Movie. There's several pages about dwarven women. Originly they had big beards, but they though it was better if they had small, thin beards. Hope this helps!

That's interesting
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| December 30, 2012, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Toa Infernum
I got a big book about the Hobbit Movie. There's several pages about dwarven women. Originly they had big beards, but they though it was better if they had small, thin beards. Hope this helps!

I got that book too. It's from Weta and has a cool map in it with moonletters that are working. (Thror's map)
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| December 31, 2012, 4:37 am
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Quoting Boarder Ryan

Also, Tolkien never confirmed that Dwarf women did, in fact, have beards; it was only hinted at by Gimli in the Return of the King.

In my opinion he did in fact confirm it. He even said it in the appendixes: "they are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other people cannot tell them apart."

and in the Silmarillion:

"no Man nor Elf has ever seen a beardless Dwarfľunless he were shaven in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls."
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| December 31, 2012, 4:49 am
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Quoting Thomas .
Yeah. And though I know it wasn't possible for Bilbo to stand so coragousely in the Wargs fight I just love that moment and it made that movie great. That's embarassing!

Yeah, I loved that scene. It was my favorite change. It was also great when Thorin showed something like respect for the hobbit in the end.
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| December 31, 2012, 4:55 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Boarder Ryan

Also, Tolkien never confirmed that Dwarf women did, in fact, have beards; it was only hinted at by Gimli in the Return of the King.

In my opinion he did in fact confirm it. He even said it in the appendixes: "they are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other people cannot tell them apart."

and in the Silmarillion:

"no Man nor Elf has ever seen a beardless Dwarfľunless he were shaven in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls."

Well if this does not confirm it to you others I do not know what will.
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| December 31, 2012, 12:54 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Yeah, I loved that scene. It was my favorite change. It was also great when Thorin showed something like respect for the hobbit in the end.

Yeah, people were conplaining that the thorin/Bilbo scene is not suppost to happen until the end, but thorin recognizes Bilbos usefullness much sooner. (Around that scene in fact)
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| December 31, 2012, 7:04 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Boarder Ryan

Also, Tolkien never confirmed that Dwarf women did, in fact, have beards; it was only hinted at by Gimli in the Return of the King.

In my opinion he did in fact confirm it. He even said it in the appendixes: "they are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other people cannot tell them apart."

and in the Silmarillion:

"no Man nor Elf has ever seen a beardless Dwarfľunless he were shaven in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls."

True, but the Silmarillian was compiled and abridged by Christopher Tolkien so there's no knowing if John wrote that or not. Either way, that seems to be the case; good cite.
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| January 1, 2013, 1:20 am
Well I finally got round to seeing it. I do agree with the rest of you in that Azog did look like a video game character.
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| January 1, 2013, 4:36 am
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
Yeah, people were conplaining that the thorin/Bilbo scene is not suppost to happen until the end, but thorin recognizes Bilbos usefullness much sooner. (Around that scene in fact)

Yeah, it was a very nice scene. In the book Thorin's and the other dwarves' respect for Bilbo developes slowly, but they recognize his true skills at least after Bilbo escaped from Gollum's cave and then helps them with the spiders and the barrels. And don't forget that Thorin gave Bilbo the mithril armor.
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| January 1, 2013, 8:06 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Yeah, it was a very nice scene. In the book Thorin's and the other dwarves' respect for Bilbo developes slowly, but they recognize his true skills at least after Bilbo escaped from Gollum's cave and then helps them with the spiders and the barrels. And don't forget that Thorin gave Bilbo the mithril armor.

That's it. Especially Balin was impressed that Bilbo escaped Gollum and with the fact that he didn't see Bilbo when he came to dwarves' camp after that.

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| January 1, 2013, 9:32 am
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Quoting Toa Infernum
I got a big book about the Hobbit Movie. There's several pages about dwarven women. Originly they had big beards, but they though it was better if they had small, thin beards. Hope this helps!

Many untold stories of J.R.R
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| January 1, 2013, 11:31 am
Quoting Thomas .
That's it. Especially Balin was impressed that Bilbo escaped Gollum and with the fact that he didn't see Bilbo when he came to dwarves' camp after that.

Yeah, it was too bad that balin wasn't a watch man
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| January 1, 2013, 4:29 pm
Quoting Monsterlego ,
Yeah, it was too bad that balin wasn't a watch man

I know, right? I always liked that about him in the book; and I miss his red hood. I liked that they made each Dwarf different by appearance but they should still have had the different colored hoods. Thorin's powder blue hood would have looked awesome.
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| January 1, 2013, 10:23 pm
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
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| January 1, 2013, 10:44 pm
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Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
YUSS!

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| January 1, 2013, 11:03 pm
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Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!

Awesome! I can't wait!
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| January 2, 2013, 4:57 am
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Quoting Ryan "Ronin" Dragonslayer
I know, right? I always liked that about him in the book; and I miss his red hood. I liked that they made each Dwarf different by appearance but they should still have had the different colored hoods. Thorin's powder blue hood would have looked awesome.

I think he was like a watchman in the movie too, but only in the prologue.
I agree about the dwarves with you. I really miss their capes! I also liked Dwalin's blue beard in the book and was a bit disappointed that it wasn't blueish-grey in the movie.
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| January 2, 2013, 5:01 am
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Quoting Aidan Moon
Although you will notice they included the colors in some way usually. Dwalin had a green cloak... and tunic. Balin was in dark royal red. Ori was in purple. Kili wore a blue tunic with a hood. They did add many of the colors, just not neccessarilly in a hood. Even Thorin wore blue under his jacket, and I think he would have looked silly with a sky blue hood with a tassel.

And Bombur's shirt is pale green, although in the book I will point out, Ori does not wear any purple really Dori and Nori have purple, Ori wears a grey hood which they dud include.
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| January 2, 2013, 10:30 am
Quoting David .
Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
YUSS!
REALLY!? *dies*

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| January 2, 2013, 2:58 pm

Officially one of the best movies I have ever seen!
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| January 2, 2013, 3:00 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
YUSS!
REALLY!? *dies*
Gee, guess you never get to see it... XD

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| January 2, 2013, 3:58 pm
Quoting Aidan Moon
Although you will notice they included the colors in some way usually. Dwalin had a green cloak... and tunic. Balin was in dark royal red. Ori was in purple. Kili wore a blue tunic with a hood. They did add many of the colors, just not neccessarilly in a hood. Even Thorin wore blue under his jacket, and I think he would have looked silly with a sky blue hood with a tassel.

Hmm...I didn't notice that; I'm seeing it again next paycheck so I'll look more closely. :) I disagree, though; Thorin would have looked way cooler (IMO) with the long beard and tasseled hood.
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| January 2, 2013, 5:21 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
YUSS!
REALLY!? *dies*
Gee, guess you never get to see it... XD
I guess not :P

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| January 2, 2013, 9:03 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Mr Viking
The Hobbit part 2 trailer is coming January 4!
YUSS!
REALLY!? *dies*
Gee, guess you never get to see it... XD
I guess not :P

Yep
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| January 2, 2013, 9:30 pm
^ that there's quite a bit of quotes. And guys don't worry I've survived!
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| January 3, 2013, 7:53 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
And Bombur's shirt is pale green, although in the book I will point out, Ori does not wear any purple really Dori and Nori have purple, Ori wears a grey hood which they dud include.

Mark... Your buddy icon is pitch black.
Overall I think Azog was fine!
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| January 3, 2013, 9:09 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
There are a few things I wanted to say


- Radagast is not Jar-Jar-like at all. He is a lovable character and very well out in the acting of the movie. His bunny-sleigh doesn't ruin it either.



*Gasps* SEBASTIAN!
I was so sad when Sebastian the hedgehog was dying!
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| January 3, 2013, 9:12 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
^ that there's quite a bit of quotes. And guys don't worry I've survived!
AH! ITS A ZOMBIE DOYLE! RUNNNNN!!!

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| January 3, 2013, 9:20 pm
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Quoting Sam .
*Gasps* SEBASTIAN!
I was so sad when Sebastian the hedgehog was dying!
I thought it was sad when he died but I was happy when he came back to life. :D

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| January 4, 2013, 12:45 am
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I went to see the Hobbit for a second time, which I was thoroughly surprised we could and extensively glad. Behind me was a man that kept coughing, only is was more of a spray and not even a true cough. Whats worse is he wasn't covering his mouth, and even WORSE was that I could FEEL it on the back of my neck, and the fact of how gross the man was gave me shivers anywho. But that's totally away from the point, just thought I'd mention. The real thing made me wonder why they even attended the movie if they knew nothing about it and I had the strongest urge to turn around and correct him. His daughter asked him a question, about what Bilbo meant when he asked Gandalf if Radagast was a great Wizard or more like him, but it was so drawn out and jumpy, (the question) that he thought she asked what a hobbit was. Now it could be me that was the idiot and he was right, but he answered: 'What's a hobbit? Oh, a hobbit is like a-a, a little elf'. My face immediately turned to confusion and wonder at how wrong the man was. I thought I would just share that, as it makes me laugh, and wonder still how he could get such a notion.
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| January 4, 2013, 12:55 am
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Please note I mean not to be rude or offensive to the man in that comment, though it may seem otherwise. :)
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| January 4, 2013, 12:57 am
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So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?
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| January 4, 2013, 5:11 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?

Yay hopefully it'll provide us with a first full glimpse of smaug!
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| January 4, 2013, 5:43 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?

What?! Already!?! Sweet!!!!
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| January 4, 2013, 6:39 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?

Actually no, i dont know why though
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| January 4, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?
No, I read an artical that stated it was all a joke, as it was announced on the spanish april fools day. :(

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| January 4, 2013, 1:42 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?
No, I read an artical that stated it was all a joke, as it was announced on the spanish april fools day. :(
wow. I'm deffinately back alive now.

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| January 4, 2013, 4:26 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle
^ that there's quite a bit of quotes. And guys don't worry I've survived!
AH! ITS A ZOMBIE DOYLE! RUNNNNN!!!
GAHHHHH ZOMBEH!

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| January 4, 2013, 4:29 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?
No, I read an artical that stated it was all a joke, as it was announced on the spanish april fools day. :(
wow. I'm deffinately back alive now.
Haha, no use dying over an april fools trick!

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| January 4, 2013, 8:28 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe

Hey Michael, my mom asked me, and now I wonder myself, as I've never watched a movie in another country, do they play it in German? (Like the voices?) I stayed during the credits and it looked like they had every language available. (except a few random ones like Latin or greek)

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| January 5, 2013, 9:06 am
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I might be going to see it again tommorow!
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| January 5, 2013, 10:08 am
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
I might be going to see it again tommorow!
Awesome! If you do, can you tell me what Bifur says? I can't quite make it out...

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| January 5, 2013, 10:10 am
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Quoting David .
Quoting Michael Kringe

Hey Michael, my mom asked me, and now I wonder myself, as I've never watched a movie in another country, do they play it in German? (Like the voices?) I stayed during the credits and it looked like they had every language available. (except a few random ones like Latin or greek)

I saw that there was a greek version on youtube (which is now removed of course)
I watched it in German and it was awesome. Thorin's voice sounded even better than in English. Only Bilbo's voice sounded a bit silly and Gandalf's voice from LOTR was replaced, because the first person who spoke Gandalf died a few years ago. He was so good that I really missed him in the movie and sometimes thought: Is this really Gandalf?
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| January 6, 2013, 5:24 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I saw that there was a greek version on youtube (which is now removed of course)
I watched it in German and it was awesome. Thorin's voice sounded even better than in English. Only Bilbo's voice sounded a bit silly and Gandalf's voice from LOTR was replaced, because the first person who spoke Gandalf died a few years ago. He was so good that I really missed him in the movie and sometimes thought: Is this really Gandalf?
How is the lip sync? Do the words look like they are actually coming out the peoples mouths? Sometimes when a menu has a France or Spanish option, I'll watch some of it in that just for fun, but it just sounds like a recording pasted onto the film. :(

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| January 6, 2013, 7:33 am
Quoting David .
Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting David .
Quoting Michael Kringe
So today we will see the next hobbit trailer?
No, I read an artical that stated it was all a joke, as it was announced on the spanish april fools day. :(
wow. I'm deffinately back alive now.
Haha, no use dying over an april fools trick!
haha, I'd hope not!

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| January 6, 2013, 7:57 pm
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Quoting David .
Quoting Michael Kringe
I saw that there was a greek version on youtube (which is now removed of course)
I watched it in German and it was awesome. Thorin's voice sounded even better than in English. Only Bilbo's voice sounded a bit silly and Gandalf's voice from LOTR was replaced, because the first person who spoke Gandalf died a few years ago. He was so good that I really missed him in the movie and sometimes thought: Is this really Gandalf?
How is the lip sync? Do the words look like they are actually coming out the peoples mouths? Sometimes when a menu has a France or Spanish option, I'll watch some of it in that just for fun, but it just sounds like a recording pasted onto the film. :(

The lip sync is very good, since German and English are related languages. I mean, it's better than English in Greek synchro.
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| January 7, 2013, 9:55 am
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One of my favorite scenes! I can't see it often enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnMCKZviz0
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| January 9, 2013, 11:08 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
One of my favorite scenes! I can't see it often enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnMCKZviz0

"Great,Ash in my tomatoes!"
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| January 10, 2013, 8:40 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
One of my favorite scenes! I can't see it often enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnMCKZviz0

Cool
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| January 10, 2013, 9:59 pm
Did anybody else notice that the carrock was bear-shaped? I saw it for the third time yesterday, and I picked up on it. Obviously in reference to Beorn of course. Also, am I the only one who feels that Azog should've died in the end? I think if an eagle came and knocked him off the warg, then another one faught and killed it, while Thorin got up and killed Azog somehow, and then he dramatically fell off the cliff as well,would've been cool. Then, they could introduce, and focus on Bolg.
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| January 21, 2013, 10:58 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Also, am I the only one who feels that Azog should've died in the end? I think if an eagle came and knocked him off the warg, then another one faught and killed it, while Thorin got up and killed Azog somehow, and then he dramatically fell off the cliff as well,would've been cool. Then, they could introduce, and focus on Bolg.

I have this feeling that Azog is a replacement for Bolg...but who really knows. Azog was definitely my least favorite addition, so hopefully my guess is wrong. We'll see!
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| January 21, 2013, 11:33 pm
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Quoting Ian Spacek
I have this feeling that Azog is a replacement for Bolg...but who really knows. Azog was definitely my least favorite addition, so hopefully my guess is wrong. We'll see!

There are pictures of Bolg out, so we know he will be in the next one, hopefully Azog will die sometime soon.
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| January 21, 2013, 11:37 pm
Still my favorite scene from the film.

"Ya hear that, boys? He says we'll blunt the knives!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2nI58hNa0
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| January 21, 2013, 11:51 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Did anybody else notice that the carrock was bear-shaped? I saw it for the third time yesterday, and I picked up on it. Obviously in reference to Beorn of course. Also, am I the only one who feels that Azog should've died in the end? I think if an eagle came and knocked him off the warg, then another one faught and killed it, while Thorin got up and killed Azog somehow, and then he dramatically fell off the cliff as well,would've been cool. Then, they could introduce, and focus on Bolg.

I was waiting so long for azog to die, and yet he still didnt
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| January 21, 2013, 11:57 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Did anybody else notice that the carrock was bear-shaped? I saw it for the third time yesterday, and I picked up on it. Obviously in reference to Beorn of course. Also, am I the only one who feels that Azog should've died in the end? I think if an eagle came and knocked him off the warg, then another one faught and killed it, while Thorin got up and killed Azog somehow, and then he dramatically fell off the cliff as well,would've been cool. Then, they could introduce, and focus on Bolg.

I noticed that. A very nice idea! I also can't understand that people complained about the carrock having no stairs. It had indeed stony stairs, made by Beorn, although hard to see at a first view.
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| January 22, 2013, 9:04 am
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Quoting Monsterlego ,
I was waiting so long for azog to die, and yet he still didnt

I have a few theories for Azog to die. Either he gets killed in the next movie by Beorn or Thorin, before the dwarves go to Mirkwood, or he dies in the Battle of Five Armies. Maybe he kills Thorin and then Dain kills Azog, or maybe Thorin and Dain fight together as a team against Azog and Bolg and everyone gets killed like he is supposed to.
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| January 22, 2013, 9:13 am
Quoting Ian Spacek
I have this feeling that Azog is a replacement for Bolg...but who really knows. Azog was definitely my least favorite addition, so hopefully my guess is wrong. We'll see!

Well I do know Bolg is included. They released pictures of him a while back, as well as action figures for him. So he has to be involved.
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| January 22, 2013, 3:29 pm
The whole production behind Azog is actually really confusing. Originally, Yazneg was to take his place, or maybe it was the original design for Azog (Yazneg's included in the LEGO set)but his role was changed and Azog killed him at Weathertop. But then I think they were going to use Bolg, and do it properly, until they decided Azog would live to become another antagonist for the heroes, after they decided to split the film into three parts. It's a bit odd if you think about it, (how they had Yazneg on the white warg in the lego set, and released pictures of Bolg long before the film was to be split up even further). This video here confirms these things, and shows a lot of the changes they made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GXUooP7RA For example: who we know as Yazneg is fighting Thorin in the Battle of Azanulbizar, and when Azog's on the Warg, he's using Bolg's weapon (shown here http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bolg-son-of-Azog-Hobbit.jpg). I just think it's kinda weird. Also, in the pictures Bolg is featured in, he appears to be in Dol Guldur...perhaps there will be a connection between the orc-tribe and Sauron(which would explain the Mordor theme being used when Thorin charges Azog)? I think that would actually be really cool! I don't really mind the changes too much, and I LOVE the scene when Thorin attacks Azog.
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| January 22, 2013, 3:41 pm
Anyone else agree?
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| January 22, 2013, 9:04 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Anyone else agree?

I agree. I'm a little bit confused though, because I noticed that the orc killed in 2:49 looks like Bolg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL9OcFRUHKo
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| January 23, 2013, 11:37 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. I'm a little bit confused though, because I noticed that the orc killed in 2:49 looks like Bolg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL9OcFRUHKo
Oh yeah, it kinda does!

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| January 23, 2013, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. I'm a little bit confused though, because I noticed that the orc killed in 2:49 looks like Bolg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL9OcFRUHKo
Oh yeah, it kinda does!

Yes, I really hope they didn't kill him in that scene.
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| January 24, 2013, 8:06 am
Who else watched the live-stream preview and behind the scenes of the next movie today!? The code that came with the dvd and stuff...
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| March 24, 2013, 9:20 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Who else watched the live-stream preview and behind the scenes of the next movie today!? The code that came with the dvd and stuff...

I watched it and it was awesome (although a little bit short) I just wrote a comment about it in General Conversation.

The lake-town warriors are quite interesting.
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| March 25, 2013, 4:40 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I watched it and it was awesome (although a little bit short) I just wrote a comment about it in General Conversation.

The lake-town warriors are quite interesting.
yeah, I think they were cool, but the Master of Laketown looked to Renaissancey LoL. Didn't seem to fit with the other people there, and not really Middle Earth at all to me at least
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| March 25, 2013, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Quoting Michael Kringe
I watched it and it was awesome (although a little bit short) I just wrote a comment about it in General Conversation.

The lake-town warriors are quite interesting.
yeah, I think they were cool, but the Master of Laketown looked to Renaissancey LoL. Didn't seem to fit with the other people there, and not really Middle Earth at all to me at least

I completely agree, he doesn't fit the Middle-Earth athmosphere very well. (Well, at least it can't be worse than Bofur's hat... hehe)
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| March 26, 2013, 6:02 am
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AWESOME!
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| March 26, 2013, 6:05 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I completely agree, he doesn't fit the Middle-Earth athmosphere very well. (Well, at least it can't be worse than Bofur's hat... hehe)

Or Kili's beard.
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| March 26, 2013, 9:39 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I completely agree, he doesn't fit the Middle-Earth athmosphere very well. (Well, at least it can't be worse than Bofur's hat... hehe)

bofurs hat was the best, i want one
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| March 26, 2013, 1:26 pm
Bofur's hat is debatable, but I didn't think it was too bad, however some of the dwarves seemed not so...dwarvish I guess lmao. I've gotten used to it now, but it's just a bit odd.
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| March 26, 2013, 8:31 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Bofur's hat is debatable, but I didn't think it was too bad, however some of the dwarves seemed not so...dwarvish I guess lmao. I've gotten used to it now, but it's just a bit odd.

I have a hat like that too and I think it's a cool thing to wear, but in my opinion it just doesn't fit with Middle-earth, because it looks too modern.
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| March 27, 2013, 12:59 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
Or Kili's beard.

Or his non-beard. :(
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| March 27, 2013, 1:00 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Or his non-beard. :(

His stubble. ;D
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| March 27, 2013, 1:02 pm
Quoting A Sargent
His stubble. ;D

Or, whiskers, maybe.
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| March 27, 2013, 1:12 pm
i got the blurray combo pack of the hobbit and was able to see an exclusive sneak peek of the Desolation of Smaug. i recorded it split into 12 parts. Here's pt. 1. I'll post the other parts later.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgzoibztc6p9sx1/Screen%20Recorded2013-03-24%2012_23_33.mov
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| March 27, 2013, 5:39 pm
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Quoting Commander Starblaster
i got the blurray combo pack of the hobbit and was able to see an exclusive sneak peek of the Desolation of Smaug. i recorded it split into 12 parts. Here's pt. 1. I'll post the other parts later.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgzoibztc6p9sx1/Screen%20Recorded2013-03-24%2012_23_33.mov

Thank you!!
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| March 28, 2013, 2:44 pm
You're welcome!

'k, I got all them uploaded.

Here's the link with all 11 files:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1p7tcfdfk83xh1s/Je7bwhdXNV
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| March 28, 2013, 7:17 pm
Quoting Commander Starblaster
You're welcome!

'k, I got all them uploaded.

Here's the link with all 11 files:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1p7tcfdfk83xh1s/Je7bwhdXNV
cool!

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| March 28, 2013, 7:35 pm
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Quoting Commander Starblaster
You're welcome!

'k, I got all them uploaded.

Here's the link with all 11 files:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1p7tcfdfk83xh1s/Je7bwhdXNV

Thank you so much!

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| March 28, 2013, 11:27 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Thank you so much!

No problem :D Sorry if there's any background noise. I had to use a crummy screen recorder and my dad was unloading the dishwasher in the back.
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| March 28, 2013, 11:55 pm
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Quoting Commander Starblaster
No problem :D Sorry if there's any background noise. I had to use a crummy screen recorder and my dad was unloading the dishwasher in the back.

Thanks! Hopefully they will make more sneak peeks soon!
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| March 29, 2013, 9:46 am
I'm excited to see what they do with Legolas and Tauriel, I saw some cool fighting going on!
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| April 2, 2013, 10:43 pm
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I watched it a few days ago. Thanks again, Commander Starblaster! It was awesome to see the Elvenking Thranduil together with his son Legolas and it was also cool to see the elves in battle.
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| April 4, 2013, 5:04 pm
Well, I'm going to give my review of the Hobbit here cuz I just saw it sunday. Here we go!

First off I didn't like the addition of Azog all that much. Unlike everyone else, I think he looked cool but I thought it seemed like a different story almost.

Radagast was a cool character and his rabbit sleigh was pretty cool but I think that he should have been at the meeting of the White Council as well and that he shouldn't have met the Dwarves and Bilbo at all.

The Great Goblin was silly. He was far to big and f@t and his voice wasn't deep or scary or even screechy like in the cartoon movie. On that note, Goblin Town was really a strange place. Not at all how I pictured it to be.

I think that the unexpected party scenes were just really cool. The Dwarves tossing plates around the house was fun to watch and Bilbo frantically trying to stop them.

The Dwarves were fantastically done! I like Dwalin even better now! Their voices with the Irish and Scottish accents fit in very well with Dwarvish culture and Gimli's own accent. Although some of their beards were a bit on the wimpish side and they seemed a bit to rude they were still wonderfully done.

There weren't very many fighting scenes in the book but the sheer Dwarvish action was just awesome. I especially liked the scene where they are fighting the trolls and Dwalin jumps and rolls over the fire then Thorin runs up, steps on Dwalin's back and hacks the Troll's arm. That was super cool.

I think the Eagles' part could have been played up slightly more. At least have a scene with the Eagles talking to Gandalf or something. It was still cool to see them in the movie though.

Gollum was just awesome! I've always liked how he's played in the movies and the whole spitting and spluttering thing during the riddle game was well played. As said before, when Bilbo goes to kill him and you see his eyes, it really helped me to understand Gollum and feel his pain; something that (no offense Mr Tolkien) the book never made me feel.

The best scenes were those with Erebor, in my opinion. It really looked like a glorious Dwarf Kingdom. The scene where the Dwarf holds the hot metal up and those two hammers come down and smash it was awesome. It was dissapointing seeing Thranduil and his Elf Warriors come down but deny the Dwarves any help.

My last complaint about this movie was (don't judge me) that I think there was too much 'funny stuff'. I realize that the Hobbit is a 'lighter' story than LOTR but I think there was just WAY to much comic relief.

Anyway all in all I give this movie a 9/10.
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| April 17, 2013, 9:04 pm
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