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Hi Mods and regular MOCers

I'm about to say something that is probably quite controversial, so please don't let this thread become an argument. But I would like some opinions. Just opinions, nothing more.

Here we go:
The new groups feature added last year is great, but does anyone else think that all of this added functionality is detracting from, well, the Lego?

I say this due to the fact that in my news feed, I have maybe 25x the posts alerting me to comments in threads (and nearly all of these are arguments, putdowns or 'problems' with groups) as I do alerting me to new MOCs or comments on MOCs.

I'm not saying clubs should be removed, especially as I started one before the new group feature existed, so I'd be somewhat of a hypocrite.

But I am saying that the threads don't seem to add any value, and do seem to cause a lot of problems. I'm all for free speech, but we have that with the comments sections on MOCs. What if the thread functionality was removed?

I'm also not saying the group threads were a bad idea, only that inevitably their misuse now outnumbers the thoughtful and insightful - much like youtube. Which says something about human nature.

With youtube, I just ignore the comments, and perhaps that's an option here - I could exit from the groups which seem a bit more, er, un-Lego-y. Unfortunately that would include this one, despite its nobel intentions.

The second option is to leave MOCpages for pastures new.

So, in short- Comments threads: Have they been positive or negative? If the responses are negative, what can be done?

Also, I appreciate the irony of using a group thread to ask for opinions on group threads, so I suppose there's a 'positive' right there. Mods; I assume once this thread has descended into the mire it will be locked, please feel free to delete it after that point (if deletion is possible?).

Thanks everyone,

Ape

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| January 17, 2010, 6:40 am
 Group admin 
I personally enjoy the groups, and feel they're an asset to the MOCpages community. Keep in mind, however, that I limit the number of groups I visit regularly to half a dozen at the most. And most of the groups I keep for any length of time end up being ones, that mature (not meaning adults...meaning MATURE...) friends are members of.

As for the bickering and immature commentary that's become so prevalent, I admit that it's quickly becoming white noise for me. If I see a thread that's a bunch of negative commentary, I'll usually just scan it quickly (because I'm a moderator), and rarely comment. With that kind of "thick skin" towards all of the negativity, it makes the whole experience easier to bear. Sometimes I'll get involved, but more often not.

So bottom line for me...I ignore the negativity as much as possible, and focus on the positive aspects that the groups provide, and that seems to be working for me to where the groups feel as though they're a great addition to the site.


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| January 17, 2010, 8:24 am
Quoting Mark Kelso


In past threads, I've read that you (as in you, Kelso) can't look at private groups even though you are a moderator. Every now and then I hear of some problem group that you can't check out because of its privacy. Why can't you bypass the privacy of the group?
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| January 17, 2010, 12:36 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Brick Freak

In past threads, I've read that you (as in you, Kelso) can't look at private groups even though you are a moderator. Every now and then I hear of some problem group that you can't check out because of its privacy. Why can't you bypass the privacy of the group?


A bit off topic here...let's take this over to the "ask Kelso" thread.

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| January 17, 2010, 2:17 pm
Quoting Ape Fight
Hi Mods and regular MOCers

I'm about to say something that is probably quite controversial, so please don't let this thread become an argument. But I would like some opinions. Just opinions, nothing more.

Here we go:
The new groups feature added last year is great, but does anyone else think that all of this added functionality is detracting from, well, the Lego?

I say this due to the fact that in my news feed, I have maybe 25x the posts alerting me to comments in threads (and nearly all of these are arguments, putdowns or 'problems' with groups) as I do alerting me to new MOCs or comments on MOCs.

I'm not saying clubs should be removed, especially as I started one before the new group feature existed, so I'd be somewhat of a hypocrite.

But I am saying that the threads don't seem to add any value, and do seem to cause a lot of problems. I'm all for free speech, but we have that with the comments sections on MOCs. What if the thread functionality was removed?

I'm also not saying the group threads were a bad idea, only that inevitably their misuse now outnumbers the thoughtful and insightful - much like youtube. Which says something about human nature.

With youtube, I just ignore the comments, and perhaps that's an option here - I could exit from the groups which seem a bit more, er, un-Lego-y. Unfortunately that would include this one, despite its nobel intentions.

The second option is to leave MOCpages for pastures new.

So, in short- Comments threads: Have they been positive or negative? If the responses are negative, what can be done?

Also, I appreciate the irony of using a group thread to ask for opinions on group threads, so I suppose there's a 'positive' right there. Mods; I assume once this thread has descended into the mire it will be locked, please feel free to delete it after that point (if deletion is possible?).

Thanks everyone,

Ape


I think one thing we've all got to remember is that 90% (est.) of the Mocers are 16 and under. They're still feeling their way socially and testing the limits of what they can do. True, sometimes it may get out of hand and they have to be brought up short, but these are not all that often. It's just the stridency attracting the attention.

I've been doing a lot of thinking along those lines myself recently and I've come to the decision that I'm going to stick around. It's easy to get impatient and short tempered with some of the smart aleck remarks, but perhaps by being here, giving the odd bit of advice now and then, ignoring the tantrums, maybe I can make an impression on them.

I'm also learning quite a bit by being here. This is a very social atmosphere; people from all countries, faiths, ages, and cultures interact here and it's fascinating to watch and be a part of.

Even the clone customizers and Halofans have a part to [lay. They've found common interests, and while we may not like to idea of altering a fig like that or
over enthusing about the latest bionicle adaptation, still it's something a bunch of people from different backgrounds can share.

Let's face it; people will argue and fight, sometimes over what appears to be the smallest excuse possible, but they are interacting, and learning how to relate to others. When they get overbearing, then the Mods and Admins step in.

Look, I'm 62, but I'm still a kid at heart, I guess. I enjoy Lego tremendously, creating new Mocs, interacting with others who feel likewise, and even engaging in a little smack talk now and again. It's something I never got to do when I was their age. I won't go into detail about my childhood, but I will give you one phrase that used to rip me apart when I was around ten; "trailer-trash"

Leaving or staying is everyone's free choice, but think of this: If you ever happened to post some comment that might make someone reconsider their bad attitude and actions, wouldn't that be worth staying? That said, I feel I've said enough on the subject.
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| January 17, 2010, 6:00 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting robert ball

I think...

...I feel I've said enough on the subject.


I was in the middle of typing my own 4 paragraph response to this when I decided to check in and see if anyone else had.

Thank you Robert.

The best point I think you brought up is that people aren't the problem, a person is.
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| January 17, 2010, 6:09 pm
Being older, I recognize that our younger members have their own way of enjoying the hobby and that, yes, they're kids. I tend to overlook some of the negativity or ignore it because it doesn't apply to me. There are people here on the 'pages that know I have the ability be downright cruel should I choose to do so, but I don't because it's not my nature. I love the groups -- if it weren't for the groups I wouldn't have gone to Brickworld and become friends with some very cool people.
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| January 17, 2010, 6:49 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
I personally enjoy the groups, and feel they're an asset to the MOCpages community. Keep in mind, however, that I limit the number of groups I visit regularly to half a dozen at the most. And most of the groups I keep for any length of time end up being ones, that mature (not meaning adults...meaning MATURE...) friends are members of.

As for the bickering and immature commentary that's become so prevalent, I admit that it's quickly becoming white noise for me. If I see a thread that's a bunch of negative commentary, I'll usually just scan it quickly (because I'm a moderator), and rarely comment. With that kind of "thick skin" towards all of the negativity, it makes the whole experience easier to bear. Sometimes I'll get involved, but more often not.

So bottom line for me...I ignore the negativity as much as possible, and focus on the positive aspects that the groups provide, and that seems to be working for me to where the groups feel as though they're a great addition to the site.


Yes, They make MOCpages a community.
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| January 17, 2010, 7:08 pm
I was wondering when this thread would get some attention.
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| January 17, 2010, 7:26 pm
I find 'drama' to be a huge annoyance but I still love MOCpages for it's all-encompassing, all-embracing stand. I post on several forums and I'm a member of Flickr groups too and the drama is not unique to this site, I can tell you. Even with supposed age restrictions in place on some, I've seen some downright nasty , elitist stuff spill out of straightforward comments or innocent questions. Heaven forbid you don't know an obscure fact and have to ask a question! Prepare to boil in oil if you use another vendor's parts on a specific forum! It's not just the YFOLs and TFOLs, i've seen AFOLs ruin a contest because they thought they should have won 2 catagories and not the one that they already had! I could go on but i've had an exclamation-point overload.....
I don't think MOCpages has lost it's way. I think it's testament to it's popularity that there are sufficient members to ensure that small fraction of 'not-so-nice' types and spammers. I like the page format better than Flickr or Brickshelf for presenting MOCs, especially with some story or supporting info alongside. I like the community feel, even if every community has the crazy guy who doesn't mow his lawn and keeps shouting out of his window at 2AM. I like the fact that a vast majority of the posters here are positive, I just wish sometimes they could offer a little more insight then "Cool. LOL".

I came out of my darkages just over a year ago now (my page may not reflect that, but having a child in that time REALLY slows down your building)and I started with MOCpages. I'm hopefully here for a long time to come.
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| January 18, 2010, 8:04 am
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Quoting Stuart Delahay
I find 'drama' to be a huge annoyance but I still love MOCpages for it's all-encompassing, all-embracing stand. I post on several forums and I'm a member of Flickr groups too and the drama is not unique to this site, I can tell you. Even with supposed age restrictions in place on some, I've seen some downright nasty , elitist stuff spill out of straightforward comments or innocent questions. Heaven forbid you don't know an obscure fact and have to ask a question! Prepare to boil in oil if you use another vendor's parts on a specific forum! It's not just the YFOLs and TFOLs, i've seen AFOLs ruin a contest because they thought they should have won 2 catagories and not the one that they already had! I could go on but i've had an exclamation-point overload.....
I don't think MOCpages has lost it's way. I think it's testament to it's popularity that there are sufficient members to ensure that small fraction of 'not-so-nice' types and spammers. I like the page format better than Flickr or Brickshelf for presenting MOCs, especially with some story or supporting info alongside. I like the community feel, even if every community has the crazy guy who doesn't mow his lawn and keeps shouting out of his window at 2AM. I like the fact that a vast majority of the posters here are positive, I just wish sometimes they could offer a little more insight then "Cool. LOL".


Some good points, Stuart.

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| January 19, 2010, 7:27 am
Quoting Stuart Delahay
I find 'drama' to be a huge annoyance but I still love MOCpages for it's all-encompassing, all-embracing stand. I post on several forums and I'm a member of Flickr groups too and the drama is not unique to this site, I can tell you. Even with supposed age restrictions in place on some, I've seen some downright nasty , elitist stuff spill out of straightforward comments or innocent questions. Heaven forbid you don't know an obscure fact and have to ask a question! Prepare to boil in oil if you use another vendor's parts on a specific forum! It's not just the YFOLs and TFOLs, i've seen AFOLs ruin a contest because they thought they should have won 2 catagories and not the one that they already had! I could go on but i've had an exclamation-point overload.....
I don't think MOCpages has lost it's way. I think it's testament to it's popularity that there are sufficient members to ensure that small fraction of 'not-so-nice' types and spammers. I like the page format better than Flickr or Brickshelf for presenting MOCs, especially with some story or supporting info alongside. I like the community feel, even if every community has the crazy guy who doesn't mow his lawn and keeps shouting out of his window at 2AM. I like the fact that a vast majority of the posters here are positive, I just wish sometimes they could offer a little more insight then "Cool. LOL".

I came out of my darkages just over a year ago now (my page may not reflect that, but having a child in that time REALLY slows down your building)and I started with MOCpages. I'm hopefully here for a long time to come.

agreed. wait... im the old dude who does not mow his lawn! ARGH :P
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| January 26, 2010, 1:58 pm
Thanks for the replies guys, seems in this group I'm in the minority, we can chalk groups up as a success : )

That said, I'm not completely alone with my thoughts:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=30374
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| February 3, 2010, 2:56 pm
When I got on to MOCpages, The groups were already a part of this. I've got to say that although there are certain cons when it comes to groups, but I think that the thing that we should do is just not join the groups that cause problems for us.
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| February 9, 2010, 5:26 pm
According to the Explore page, there are 3,670 groups. Now, with that many groups, there are bound to be some which are subject to drama and chaos, but the great majority of groups are by and for people of like tastes. There is no trouble in these groups at all.

Cisco El Segundo Quijote is right. And It's a good practice to read the threads before you join a group. You can tell what a group is all about, and if you don't like the conversation and comments, then stay out.

Personally I think the group idea is a good one. It provides a social atmosphere for those with similar interests and leaves your creation pages free for Moc commentary.

I can understand the concerns some of us have about the sniping and disgruntlement, but, to use a stale phrase, eliminating the groups would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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| February 9, 2010, 7:16 pm
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