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Quoting James Hawke
Quoting Technic Designer,


"November 3, 2009
Can you guys build a tank or a jeep?

If you mean a military tank then sorry, no, we donít do any kind of military vehicles or weapons. Thatís a clear LEGO policy.

Best,

Anders"

If this is true, why have they created:
Toy Story Army Men
Indiana Jones Nazis and tank
CREATOR Jet
and so on...

toy story army men yes not so sure about the other ones though
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| January 7, 2010, 7:00 pm
So I guess Lego can't make Star Wars vehicles since those are military too... Same logic applies to Toy Story and Indiana Jones.
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| January 7, 2010, 7:11 pm
Sorry James, your argument just doesn't stand up. They have yet to make a tank for Indy (Unless you're counting the Jungle Cutter. Even then, not a tank.), The creator jet was a stunt jet, and the toy story army men are the little green army men you buy in bags of fifty or so. They even come on little melted bases in the set.
Also, these are all themes. If a scene from Indy has a couple guys in a jeep, then they need to make a jeep. Because it's clearly representing a scene from a movie, it's different from making a set that's just a jeep and soldiers.
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| January 7, 2010, 7:30 pm
I remember seeing something where if it's fantasy (i.e Toy Story, Star Wars, Bionicle) it's fine, if it's a real life object with no purpose other than to cause harm (i.e a tank) Lego choose not to make it. They have quite strong Christian morals as a company, which is quite rare, so I like them for it.
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| January 7, 2010, 7:31 pm
I'm sorry, but that logic is just plain irrational. If we're going to go there, then you classify ANY set as military. It's clearly a stunt jet. Just because you can pretend it's something else doesn't change what it is.
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| January 7, 2010, 7:51 pm
Quoting James Hawke
... why have they created:
Toy Story Army Men
Indiana Jones Nazis and tank
CREATOR Jet
and so on...

It seems to me, that the LEGO group simply tries to stay away from Human versus Human violence. And if a weapon is in the set, they try to stress the point that the humans are friends, and have the weapon to fight off the non-human enemy.

And technically they never made any 'Nazi' characters. No Swastika shoulder bands or flags means no Nazis. Those where simply tan soldiers.

The Russian guys did sport a single large star on their belts - but it was 'okay' because it wasn't red.
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| January 7, 2010, 8:47 pm
Quoting Caleb Cutlass-Crocodile Blanchet
It seems to me, that the LEGO group simply tries to stay away from Human versus Human violence. And if a weapon is in the set, they try to stress the point that the humans are friends, and have the weapon to fight off the non-human enemy.

Yeah. Humans go underground to get power crystals, and kill the ugly and different monsters who own them.
They go to mars to colonize it, and kill the ugly and different aliens that lived there before them.
Again, they go to find Atlantis for scientific reasons (yeah, sure), and again instead of leaving the ugly and different natives alone, they fight them away with their technology.

VEEEERY educational... (and more than a tad xenophobic, in the literal sense of the term)

Hey, when I build gigantic death machines at least I don't pretend I'm educating anybody :)
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| January 7, 2010, 9:46 pm
Quoting James Hawke
...But still if someone bought the set because they saw the movie, they would assume they're nazis...
Oh, most definitely, I refer to those particular minifigs as Nazis by default. But neither the boxes, nor catalogs ever said the 'N Word'. Most likely to stay 'Politically correct'. They also didn't refer to the golden Treasure chest in set 7622 as 'The Ark of the Covenant'...

Quoting Yuri Fassio
Yeah. VEEEERY educational... (and more than a tad xenophobic, in the literal sense of the term)

Hey, when I build gigantic death machines at least I don't pretend I'm educating anybody :)

I never thought that the play with LEGO was the educational part - the skills you learn piecing together the parts, bleeds onto teaching yourself better techniques, bleeds onto you teaching yourself the best way to create a sound creation. Plus if a family has more than one kid, the children can have bonding time playing together with the parts. What an idea!

But come on. The LEGO Group has been frowning on Human VS. Human violence for the longest time. Even the Western sets never included Indians AND Cowboys in one set. It was one or the other. And then there's the fantasy line they have been releasing. Humans versus Orks (Er - Trolls, excuse me!) and Humans versus the undead... No humans versus humans. The LEGO Group has gone down that road in the past - but they seem to try thier best to stick to no Human VS. Human violence. Even though the kids will end up playing that way anyway. I always have. But I'm a different story, eh?
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| January 7, 2010, 10:48 pm
Yuri: Well said.
As for the non human vs human, many of the Western sets included outlaws, with guns who fought the sheriff, with guns. Last I checked, that is human vs human. Some of the old castle sets did include human "bad guys", so again, human vs human. Pirates vs soldiers, human vs human. To me the bottom line is: It is their company, as long as they keep making the bricks, I really do not care what they make into sets.
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| January 8, 2010, 12:45 pm
its the themes. theyre not going to make a ww2 themed lego because thats just specifically trying to kill people. with indiana jones for example, you can have adventures with the whole set, not just people shooting at each other.
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| January 8, 2010, 1:01 pm
basing off of a real war would be against policies.
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| January 8, 2010, 2:51 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
Yuri: Well said.
As for the non human vs human, many of the Western sets included outlaws, with guns who fought the sheriff, with guns. Last I checked, that is human vs human. Some of the old castle sets did include human "bad guys", so again, human vs human. Pirates vs soldiers, human vs human. To me the bottom line is: It is their company, as long as they keep making the bricks, I really do not care what they make into sets.


True, Human vs Human has occurred in the past, but those have typically been clearly labelled as who is the good guy and who's the bad. The outlaws and pirates are criminals, while their counterparts are law-enforcing officials. I'm not sure about the castle sets though, I don't recall the storylines behind it. I do agree with you on your bottom line however. So long as they've got shiny new bricks, I'm happy.
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| January 8, 2010, 7:47 pm
Quoting Ribbits M

True, Human vs Human has occurred in the past, but those have typically been clearly labelled as who is the good guy and who's the bad. The outlaws and pirates are criminals, while their counterparts are law-enforcing officials. I'm not sure about the castle sets though, I don't recall the storylines behind it. I do agree with you on your bottom line however. So long as they've got shiny new bricks, I'm happy.

HEY! I'm a pirate and I'm not evil.....wait, maybe that is an overstatement, I am kinda evil.
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| January 8, 2010, 7:51 pm
for making ww2 sets LEGO could actually be accused of manufacturing sets that get "revenge" on the Nazis due to the fact that the nazis concurred denmark in ww2 and also burned down the original LEGO building! (and all the toys!) :O so there light also be a problemo there.
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| January 8, 2010, 8:26 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
As for the non human vs human, many of the Western sets included outlaws, with guns who fought the sheriff, with guns. Last I checked, that is human vs human. Some of the old castle sets did include human "bad guys", so again, human vs human. Pirates vs soldiers, human vs human. To me the bottom line is: It is their company, as long as they keep making the bricks, I really do not care what they make into sets.


Quoting myself here:
Quoting Caleb Cutlass-Crocodile Blanchet
... The LEGO Group has gone down that road in the past - but they seem to try their best to stick to no Human VS. Human violence...

So yes - they do, but not as much as they would, say, make a set that includes human versus non-human violence. I agree though, they can make any set, let's not get ridiculous though, and I'll be happy. Besides, if I want quality weapons for my LEGO figs, I'll get them off BrickArms or BrickForge...

Quoting Ribbits M
True, Human vs Human has occurred in the past, but those have typically been clearly labelled as who is the good guy and who's the bad. The outlaws and pirates are criminals, while their counterparts are law-enforcing officials. I'm not sure about the castle sets though, I don't recall the storylines behind it. I do agree with you on your bottom line however. So long as they've got shiny new bricks, I'm happy.

Darn - straight. The castle dudes were CLEARLY evil enemies as well, red and black color schemes on most of them...

Quoting Mister Bones
HEY! I'm a pirate and I'm not evil.....wait, maybe that is an overstatement, I am kinda evil.

Bones - You're the evilest kind of evil... Un-dead evil...

Quoting nickeal1 .
... the nazis concurred Denmark in ww2 and also burned down the original LEGO building! ...

Hoover Dam! Really? I had no idea... wow, what a loss!
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| January 8, 2010, 9:31 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
...To me the bottom line is: It is their company, as long as they keep making the bricks, I really do not care what they make into sets.


Hear, hear!

Lee
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| January 9, 2010, 12:37 am
Quoting James Hawke
The creator jet is clearly a F-15 Strike Eagle armed with recon logistics and stinger missiles.

Nope, it a F-14 Tomcat
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| January 10, 2010, 3:15 pm
Quoting James Hawke
The creator jet is clearly a F-15 Strike Eagle armed with recon logistics and stinger missiles.

Nope, its a F-14 Tomcat
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| January 10, 2010, 3:15 pm
Quoting Caleb Cutlass-Crocodile Blanchet :

Quoting nickeal1 .
... the nazis concurred Denmark in ww2 and also burned down the original LEGO building! ...

Hoover Dam! Really? I had no idea... wow, what a loss!

actually, it was just an accident, and it happened in 1924 and 1936, both of those dates before the war. Get your facts right.
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| January 10, 2010, 3:39 pm
Quoting alex Mc
actually, it was just an accident, and it happened in 1924 and 1936, both of those dates before the war. Get your facts right.

Plus back then they were not plastic bricks, just wooden toys.
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| January 10, 2010, 3:42 pm
Quoting James Hawke
Hey, Matt come on pizza slice :P

O.K.
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| January 10, 2010, 4:19 pm
Quoting alex Mc
actually, it was just an accident, and it happened in 1924 and 1936, both of those dates before the war. Get your facts right.

Yeah - I think you're right. I read about those fires in the 'Ultimate Lego Book'... great book, by the way!

Quoting Matthew Novosad
Plus back then they were not plastic bricks, just wooden toys.

Nonetheless - That's a great loss...
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| January 10, 2010, 6:41 pm
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