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By now many of you have seen this on the explore page
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/176133
I checked the MOCpages rules which ban obscene content(http://mocpages.com/about/use.php look under Reviews, user-created pages, and other content, its number three)and if this isnt obscene then i dont know what is.

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| January 5, 2010, 9:59 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
By now many of you have seen this on the explore page, and if this isnt obscene then i dont know what is.


Yes John, it's "obscene." Yes John, it crosses the line. BUT you have to remember two things. First this is called MOCpages so "MY OWN CREATION" gives you permission to build what ever you want. If that is what one is into building, then allow them to go ahead. Second the fact that Lee placed a clear warning on the front of the page eliminates him for actually breaking the rules. I do not know your age, but you have the choice if you want to view it or not. Next time, ignore it and you won't have any problems.
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| January 6, 2010, 12:14 am
Quoting Dave Shaddix

As a dad, I have to agree. As an AFOL, I can care less.

I see both sides on this one and my official stance is that MOCpages needs more parental control features. There should be two types of accounts, one for adults and one for kids. Then each MOC would have a flag on it which would determine who can see the MOC. That would solve the problem ...but require a lot of programming.



And since everyone has their own opinion on what it's fine for kids to watch, there'd be huge variation from person to person, and all sorts of accusations flying around because one guy doesn't care and another thinks children should be protected until they're twenty five.

I mean, most of these kids have played 'adult' games like Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Modern Warfare 2, Resistance and Call Of Duty.

If their parents are fine with that, it'd be hypocritical for them to complain about their children seeing slightly 'adult' content of a different nature.
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| January 6, 2010, 2:06 am
I agree that there needs to be more control, such as the double tiered system proposed. As an AFOL, and a veteran of the Sixties, I do NOT want anyone telling me what I, personally, can view, read or experience. But then, I have the years and experience to know what is good and what is totally off the wall. The YFOLs and TFOLs do not. They see this stuff on TV, the net and they think it must be okay if it's out there like that. I enjoyed viewing the Moc in question, but I never would have let my daughter (now 40) view it when she was a child.
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| January 6, 2010, 4:03 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Dave Shaddix

As a dad, I have to agree. As an AFOL, I can care less.

I see both sides on this one and my official stance is that MOCpages needs more parental control features. There should be two types of accounts, one for adults and one for kids. Then each MOC would have a flag on it which would determine who can see the MOC. That would solve the problem ...but require a lot of programming.



That notion has serious merit, Shaddix. I'd be interested to know what options might be available to Sean for such a step. Of course, it's his call entirely, but you make a good point there, IMO.
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| January 6, 2010, 7:40 am
Quoting Dylan B

Yes John, it's "obscene." Yes John, it crosses the line. BUT you have to remember two things. First this is called MOCpages so "MY OWN CREATION" gives you permission to build what ever you want. If that is what one is into building, then allow them to go ahead. Second the fact that Lee placed a clear warning on the front of the page eliminates him for actually breaking the rules. I do not know your age, but you have the choice if you want to view it or not. Next time, ignore it and you won't have any problems.


oh... NO... you cannot do anything! READ THE RULES!
Go here to read the rules: http://www.mocpages.com/help/review_rules.php

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| January 6, 2010, 7:58 am
Quoting Dave Shaddix

As a dad, I have to agree. As an AFOL, I can care less.

I see both sides on this one and my official stance is that MOCpages needs more parental control features. There should be two types of accounts, one for adults and one for kids. Then each MOC would have a flag on it which would determine who can see the MOC. That would solve the problem ...but require a lot of programming.


I agree with this whole heartedly, well I would if I actually had a heart.
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| January 6, 2010, 9:43 am
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
By now many of you have seen this on the explore page
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/176133
I checked the MOCpages rules which ban obscene content(http://mocpages.com/about/use.php look under Reviews, user-created pages, and other content, its number three)and if this isnt obscene then i dont know what is.


Simple question here. Did you see the disclaimer he posted at the top of the page? he TOLD you not to look at it and yet you did. When you see a warning like that on the Discovery channel or the History channel, do you continue to watch it or change the channel?

Your ignoring of the warning is just one of the problems with your argument. The main issue I'm seeing here is this. Unless you ALREADY knew what was going on, you wouldn't get the jokes right? Lee didn't give a step by step tutorial to explain those jokes. If you "got it" then you had already seen that same thing somewhere before. Otherwise, the moc is a bunch of people standing around in bathing suits... or are you not allowed to look at people on the beach either?

(By the way, those of you that don't like the "Evony" ads... have you ever been to a beach? I rest my case)

Now then. Was the content of the moc "Obscene" by mocpages standards. In my opinion, it was close, but not over the line. There are ways that parts can be modified or sculpted where it could have gone over the line, in this case however, every part used was an "off the rack" lego issued part.

I agree that maybe we should have a rating system on the mocs, but until Sean figures out exactly what he wants to do in regards to this, moccers who post content that some may deem inapproriate should (but are not required to) put a warning on the top of the moc. We've had this discussion over and over and (OH MY GOD) over time and time again. There IS a simple solution to this that you guys just aren't getting.

I know it's more fun to jump out there and go "OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" (the irony here is that it's mostly the children making this argument) but how about you try this...

If the first words on the page are "WARNING! ADULT CONTENT" and you're under 18... don't look at it! I know that's too logical an answer for some of you but there's more important things in life than this stupid argument. If you don't like it, don't look at it.

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| January 6, 2010, 6:37 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Simple question here. Did you see the disclaimer he posted at the top of the page? he TOLD you not to look at it and yet you did. When you see a warning like that on the Discovery channel or the History channel, do you continue to watch it or change the channel?

Your ignoring of the warning is just one of the problems with your argument. The main issue I'm seeing here is this. Unless you ALREADY knew what was going on, you wouldn't get the jokes right? Lee didn't give a step by step tutorial to explain those jokes. If you "got it" then you had already seen that same thing somewhere before. Otherwise, the moc is a bunch of people standing around in bathing suits... or are you not allowed to look at people on the beach either?

(By the way, those of you that don't like the "Evony" ads... have you ever been to a beach? I rest my case)

Now then. Was the content of the moc "Obscene" by mocpages standards. In my opinion, it was close, but not over the line. There are ways that parts can be modified or sculpted where it could have gone over the line, in this case however, every part used was an "off the rack" lego issued part.

I agree that maybe we should have a rating system on the mocs, but until Sean figures out exactly what he wants to do in regards to this, moccers who post content that some may deem inapproriate should (but are not required to) put a warning on the top of the moc. We've had this discussion over and over and (OH MY GOD) over time and time again. There IS a simple solution to this that you guys just aren't getting.

I know it's more fun to jump out there and go "OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" (the irony here is that it's mostly the children making this argument) but how about you try this...

If the first words on the page are "WARNING! ADULT CONTENT" and you're under 18... don't look at it! I know that's too logical an answer for some of you but there's more important things in life than this stupid argument. If you don't like it, don't look at it.

With or without a disclaimer it shouldnt be here at all!
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| January 6, 2010, 7:35 pm
But it shouldnt be here in the first place!

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| January 6, 2010, 7:36 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
But it shouldnt be here in the first place!


How bout this... like Phaze just said, did you GET the jokes? If you understood them in any way, then Lee didn't teach you anything new! You should go and attack the people that you learned that stuff from in the first place because MOCpages and Lee Jones aren't the problem.
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| January 6, 2010, 7:48 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

or are you not allowed to look at people on the beach either?


Depends... what kind of beach?


...Sorry just couldn't help but to poke a little fun at that.
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| January 7, 2010, 2:03 pm
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