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I know this is an advice group but I really want comments on this and this is the most active group I'm in at the moment. Could you guys comment on this http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/176158
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| January 2, 2010, 2:37 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
I know this is an advice group but I really want comments on this and this is the most active group I'm in at the moment. Could you guys comment on this http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/176158
Thats not really anything that should be in this group. A its not related and B to give some advice posting things like this in groups and such is frowned upon in the MOCpages community.

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| January 2, 2010, 2:50 pm
You are no fun, I really need advice on the cannon aspect of it because I'm going to incorporate it into another moc.
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| January 2, 2010, 2:55 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Aspects on the cannon?
it 5ucks, honestly.

Too many colors, too blocky, barrel is too thin, needs detail, and the barrel needs to be shortened.

i have to agree with phaze but it a nicer way. keep at it and you will soon get it right.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:01 pm
1. Have you played age of empires 3?
2. Did you read the description of the pics?

It seems like you didn't The colors are supposed to be that way. I can't play age of empires 3 at the moment because my graphics card has gone screwy so it is really hard to get a good pic of the cannon.

And on waiting you sit around half a year waiting for a moc to get popular but you only get 50 views and no comments! you are barley discovered. But asking around on other peoples mocs is a hassle, but finding a good size group where people are talking at the moment they see you ask politely and they will consider it, your moc may get on the explore or home page because enough people looked at it and even more people look ans comment on your stuff. You see?
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| January 2, 2010, 3:07 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Yes, but by ASKING, you get LESS.
/facedesk.

Not what happens to me, you see last night there was only ten views and 1-2 comments now there is 32 views with 7-8 comments because I asked around. People listen to me.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:13 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
1. Have you played age of empires 3?
2. Did you read the description of the pics?

It seems like you didn't The colors are supposed to be that way. I can't play age of empires 3 at the moment because my graphics card has gone screwy so it is really hard to get a good pic of the cannon.

And on waiting you sit around half a year waiting for a moc to get popular but you only get 50 views and no comments! you are barley discovered. But asking around on other peoples mocs is a hassle, but finding a good size group where people are talking at the moment they see you ask politely and they will consider it, your moc may get on the explore or home page because enough people looked at it and even more people look ans comment on your stuff. You see?

Its an unfortunate paradox of biblical proportions... You see if you want to get popular the "quick way" do what the six year olds and nine year olds do and build starwars mocs where youve only changed one piece and call it custom. All the other kiddies will go crazy for it. If you want to get noticed, when you ask other MOCers whats should be changed and they tell you their opinion dont tell them they are wrong because you cant do that, you dont own their minds. If they dont like something and they tell you. Listen to them. I took a look at the cannon. I honestly suggest you work some more on it. Im not being rude nor am i being nice, I'm just giving my honest opinion because you asked for it. But this is not an appropriate way to get views.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:17 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
you know what?
You're a n0-b.
Sorry, but it's true.

Asking only gets you fake comments ment to 5hut you up, more often than not.
This site is not about popularity, moreso about showing your creations,regardless.

Really I'm trying to get more opinions
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| January 2, 2010, 3:24 pm
Quoting Owen Williams
Its an unfortunate paradox of biblical proportions... You see if you want to get popular the "quick way" do what the six year olds and nine year olds do and build starwars mocs where youve only changed one piece and call it custom. All the other kiddies will go crazy for it. If you want to get noticed, when you ask other MOCers whats should be changed and they tell you their opinion dont tell them they are wrong because you cant do that, you dont own their minds. If they dont like something and they tell you. Listen to them. I took a look at the cannon. I honestly suggest you work some more on it. Im not being rude nor am i being nice, I'm just giving my honest opinion because you asked for it. But this is not an appropriate way to get views.

Oh I didn't mean for that comment to sound mean, It just sounded to me like he glanced at the main pic and went "Meh"
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| January 2, 2010, 3:27 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
And You get REAL opinions by not asking.

Oh, and btw, you seem to only approve of the opinions which say how great your moc is.

I stated fine reasons why the moc is carp and you wouldn't have it. You may refute you stated reasons for flaws upon my judgement, but it wouldn't make sense.

Did you read the comment above the one you just posted? Cause I don't like writing things multiple times.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:31 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Nyeh. I looked at all the pictures and gave you an opinon.

Did you comprehend my statement, or were you trying to evade the point upon the subject?

No I was just letting you know.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:34 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
And You get REAL opinions by not asking.

Oh, and btw, you seem to only approve of the opinions which say how great your moc is.

I stated fine reasons why the moc is carp and you wouldn't have it. You may refute you stated reasons for flaws upon my judgement, but it wouldn't make sense.

It may seem like that but like I said I thought you had just taken a glance at the main Pic and going "Meh". You can think it is "carp" (I know what you are saying) but all in all you are probably the first one to hate the MOC yes I do agree the cannon needs to be changed some but I needed something to fill space as it is my first Vig-Midnette thing so I came up with the idea of the cannon, but I was focused more on the rest then the cannon. I am not saying you are wrong but I'm just stating the facts.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:42 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Then your facts must be heavily dilluded. I for one did no such thing as to point out that I 'h4ted' the moc, as I do not hate it, moreover dislike it. If one then thinks one such as myself is the first to 'h4te' the moc then you are sorrowfully mistaken. And once more, if one admits to the cannon needed work he once more agrees upon my terms..

You sir have just been PWNT.

The "piece of carp" comment my good sir in my crazy ,unorganized, smart mind (remind you of someone who discovered something that changed the world?)is "h4te" in my eyes. I never said I didn't agree upon your terms (it may have seemed that way)but I didn't.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:52 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Nyeh. I looked at all the pictures and gave you an opinon.

Did you comprehend my statement, or were you trying to evade the point upon the subject?

You are not giving an opinion. Your criticizing which is not helpful. Using the words 5ucks and carp do not tell him where to improve so you too need to grow up a little maybe go read the book how to win friends and influence people it helps you learn how to help others.
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| January 2, 2010, 3:55 pm
Quoting Owen Williams
You are not giving an opinion. Your criticizing which is not helpful. Using the words 5ucks and carp do not tell him where to improve so you too need to grow up a little maybe go read the book how to win friends and influence people it helps you learn how to help others.


I for one, find a review telling me what is wrong with my MOC much more helpful than a "cool 5 stars" kind of review. I don't know about you though... Maybe Phaze could go a little softer (Yea, right) to those who can't handle straight out critique, but I'm on his side of things. Besides, if he tells you what is wrong specifically, doesn't that give you the power of inference on how to improve it?

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| January 2, 2010, 4:01 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I for one, find a review telling me what is wrong with my MOC much more helpful than a "cool 5 stars" kind of review. I don't know about you though... Maybe Phaze could go a little softer (Yea, right) to those who can't handle straight out critique, but I'm on his side of things. Besides, if he tells you what is wrong specifically, doesn't that give you the power of inference on how to improve it?

I agree with you awesome O' saurus but just calling it a piece of carp and then saying things I explained in the description (such as the multiple colors) that are that way for a reason is not what they think is right (even though there is a reason)
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| January 2, 2010, 4:05 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Excuse me?
"You're joking, you're joking, I'm drowning in my tears."
First of all, my critiquing IS an opinion.
Secondly, my Critiquing helps one to BUILD BETTER.
Secondly, I have many friends whom Gladly find my actions helpful and understandable.

Don't give me this ship, honestly, for your sake.

No, Thats not constructive here is an example of appropriate critique: "Hey! I enjoyed seeing this MOC! Although I would improve here and here (etc) so for now I can only give you 3/5 or 4/5" That is accepted and appropriate. What you say does not tell him where to improve all it does is call him out to a verbal match. From what i've seen of you so far phazors is that you are not very mature when it comes to assistance. If you wish to be constructive pay attention to the main theme of the group and just take my advice. The more you fight advice the more lower you get. Only room to improve your never to good to improve start while your young. Its better.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:06 pm
Quoting Owen Williams
No, Thats not constructive here is an example of appropriate critique: "Hey! I enjoyed seeing this MOC! Although I would improve here and here (etc) so for now I can only give you 3/5 or 4/5" That is accepted and appropriate. What you say does not tell him where to improve all it does is call him out to a verbal match. From what i've seen of you so far phazors is that you are not very mature when it comes to assistance. If you wish to be constructive pay attention to the main theme of the group and just take my advice. The more you fight advice the more lower you get. Only room to improve your never to good to improve start while your young. Its better.


Phaze doesn's sugarcoat, he puts what he thinks out there in a very blunt way, and blunt usually gets your point across better that the MOC could be made better than a comment wrapping the truth in nice words.

Or maybe that's just how I except critique on things.

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| January 2, 2010, 4:10 pm
Im about ready to ask for this topic to be locked. Your not giving advice your crippiling someone awesome your right being blunt is good when you do it the right way. he is not. At least you have sense. Keep it up awesome but don't travel down the wrong road. whether you sugar coat it or not Phazor was just being rude. And thats not cool.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:13 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Oh I very well take your advice, I am not trying to fight it as you put it.
What one merely needs to do with my constructive critiquing is look at what I say bad about it and fix it.
I said, for instance, the barrel is too long, so one could deduce I would like to see it shortened
I said the cannon was too blocky, so one could deduce I would like to see it look less blocky, for lack of better term thereof.
I said the barrel was too small, so one could deduce I'd like to see it widened.

I would go on, really, but you wouldn't care.

Its your context not your critiquing. You dont critique with words like carp n0-ob and 5ucks.

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| January 2, 2010, 4:14 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Aye but I shall say that he had asked for it, honestly.

Hey i dont really care its not important. just try getting a job when you grow up with that attitude... I've got to go to work bye.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:19 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
LOL.

So, because I am being fully honest, I'm being rude?
.

Yes, I have gotten in trouble at school for being "fully honest". Trust me you are being rude.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:24 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
Aye but I shall say that he had asked for it, honestly.

You are being rude and inconsiderate.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:25 pm
'Tis a sad world where the truth is something you can be punished for.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting Owen Williams
Its an unfortunate paradox of biblical proportions... You see if you want to get popular the "quick way" do what the six year olds and nine year olds do and build starwars mocs where youve only changed one piece and call it custom. All the other kiddies will go crazy for it. If you want to get noticed, when you ask other MOCers whats should be changed and they tell you their opinion dont tell them they are wrong because you cant do that, you dont own their minds. If they dont like something and they tell you. Listen to them. I took a look at the cannon. I honestly suggest you work some more on it. Im not being rude nor am i being nice, I'm just giving my honest opinion because you asked for it. But this is not an appropriate way to get views.

The first part isn't true, Star Wars builders generally aren't like that.Sadly the second part about asking for comments is.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:26 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
'Tis a sad world where the truth is something you can be punished for.

Exactly and that situation came to be because my opinion had been squandered too many times. By teachers and students. I live in CT in the "free" country of America.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:29 pm
 Group admin 
Ok...

I just read this entire thread and now I need some asprin. While I get that, can you kids please go find somewhere else to argue?

Two points here. One... yeah, maybe Phaze could be a "little" nicer, but that's not him. The more you argue with him, the more he likes it. He said it himself, it's fuel for his fire. If you don't like what he says here's a simple way to deal with it. Ignore him.

Second, this entire "argument" started over you asking for comments on your moc. I agree wholeheartedly that the WORST thing you can do is ASK for comments. Let me put it this way, when I see a name that I don't recognize in one of my groups, I usually go and check out that persons homepage and see what they bring to the table. HOWEVER, as a general rule, when someone leaves me a comment to "come comment on my stuff" I (and many others) make it a rule to NOT go and comment.

That being said, I did see the cannon in question. If you really want advice on how to improve it, this is what I think. I'm not going to tell you specifics of what to make better, but I am going to tell you what stood out as unpleasing to the eye in my opinion.

I understand that the multiple colors were supposed to be there but, mixing colors with lego on that small of a moc makes it look too "busy" and distracting to the eye. Even though it's "supposed" to be there, sometimes it's better to change it to appeal to the eye more. As for the overall shape, it is too boxy like the others said. How can you fix this? one way would be to elongate the back end and round it out using a dome piece.

But then again, this is just my opinion and in the grand scheme of things... it's about pleasing yourself and that's all that matters.

oh yeah... and don't ask for comments or start new threads in my group for something like this. Next time, just add a comment to one of the threads that's here already.
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| January 2, 2010, 4:46 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson


I just read this entire thread and now I need some asprin. While I get that, can you kids please go find somewhere else to argue?

Two points here. One... yeah, maybe Phaze could be a "little" nicer, but that's not him. The more you argue with him, the more he likes it. He said it himself, it's fuel for his fire. If you don't like what he says here's a simple way to deal with it. Ignore him.



No, us kids will argue everywhere. And you seem to have a good understanding of Phaze. I don't know how many times I've told people to ignore him if they don't like what he says...

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| January 2, 2010, 4:52 pm
New threads requesting comments is second only in irritation to writing 'Coool!'- check out my xxxxx!!' as a comment.

Make a good MOC and people will look at it - regardless of groups and threads (which we didn't have a year ago).

One of mine has 14,000 views, therefore I reckon it's well liked, and one has about 300, so it probably doesn't interest people in the slightest. That's OK though- MOCpages isn't the ratings war some people seem to think it is.

Still, constructive critisism is much more useful that 'carp' or 'awesome!' so a lot of the above seems a bit childish. I think the original poster, despite annoyingly starting a thread for comments on his MOC, has handled the abuse very well, so props to him.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:34 pm
Quoting Ape Fight
I think the original poster, despite annoyingly starting a thread for comments on his MOC, has handled the abuse very well, so props to him.

Thank you for that thought but have you seen XXXXX (Put amount of groups here) of groups that have 1-5 of those threads? Every one else is fine with asking for comments but you people. Just pointing it out.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:39 pm
The truth hurts, the more true it is, the more it hurts.
Sugarcoating it isn't worth the effort.


There is a very real difference between 'criticism' which helps someone build better, and 'rudeness' which just insults them.

A critic doesn't need to be nice (incarnation of painful truth speaking, personal experience) and a rude person doesn't need to be a critic.

Saying you don't like something isn't necessarily criticism, it's saying that it doesn't appeal to you personally.

Now, from my perspective, one can only really offer good criticism for building techniques and internals if one's attempted the subject matter oneself, but one can make aesthetic suggestions without knowing how it's made.


What's all that mean? I dunno, brain dump.
Thoughts that seemed appropriate.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:40 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Thank you for that thought but have you seen XXXXX (Put amount of groups here) of groups that have 1-5 of those threads? Every one else is fine with asking for comments but you people. Just pointing it out.


Take it from me, as an admin of a fairly large group: if you let people advertise at will, they'll flood the whole group. I've seen it.

Now, a restriction that says they can ask in the General Conversation topic, that's useful.

As is a 'Shameless Advertising' topic.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:43 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Thank you for that thought but have you seen XXXXX (Put amount of groups here) of groups that have 1-5 of those threads?


Yes, I agree, but I don't really like it. It seems MOCpages is about who can get the most comments (and most of these will be useless 'Cool!!!' comments), rather than about decent Lego creations. Having said that, you asked for advice (rather than meaningless praise), and for that I respect you
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| January 2, 2010, 7:47 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Take it from me, as an admin of a fairly large group: if you let people advertise at will, they'll flood the whole group. I've seen it.

Now, a restriction that says they can ask in the General Conversation topic, that's useful.

As is a 'Shameless Advertising' topic.

What it is they have 1 for multiple people to use then it gets full and so on and so forth and that way it is easy to find.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:47 pm
Quoting Ape Fight
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Thank you for that thought but have you seen XXXXX (Put amount of groups here) of groups that have 1-5 of those threads?


Yes, I agree, but I don't really like it. It seems MOCpages is about who can get the most comments (and most of these will be useless 'Cool!!!' comments), rather than about decent Lego creations. Having said that, you asked for advice (rather than meaningless praise), and for that I respect you

Once again thank you. I sometimes just say cool or nice because I'm just to star struck by it and I have nothing to say but when there is something to say I will say it.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:50 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Areetsa C
...As is a 'Shameless Advertising' topic.


You know what... that's a really good idea. How bout we do it that way. I'm not going to promise or even hint that everyone from the group will actually check out your creation, but let's do that... I'll start the thread now.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:50 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
I wouldn't paticularly say he asked for 'advice' moreso as he asked for comments, but that's just what his original statement said, so I digress.

When I look for comments I'm looking for comments like Architect of Vonthako gives, and I know there are many well educated smart people who will help, it really depends on context (and how far you read in the thread)
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| January 2, 2010, 7:52 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

You know what... that's a really good idea. How bout we do it that way. I'm not going to promise or even hint that everyone from the group will actually check out your creation, but let's do that... I'll start the thread now.

Thank you Phipson I appreciate that.
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| January 2, 2010, 7:53 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
What it is they have 1 for multiple people to use then it gets full and so on and so forth and that way it is easy to find.


Exactly. As it should be.

Quoting Chris Phipson

You know what... that's a really good idea. How bout we do it that way. I'm not going to promise or even hint that everyone from the group will actually check out your creation, but let's do that... I'll start the thread now.


It's not actually my idea, I saw it done in a group somewhere and decided to make one in a group I was a mod in. I might have made one in the UNEA, I forget.
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| January 2, 2010, 8:02 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
I feel it... important, to note that I had said original statement, which would therefore reflect views said as your original statement. But please do pardon upon assumptions in which most made, though I would note that one should become clearer in one's statment for advice, helps discern from bumbling 6-year old to a guy just looking for some critique.

And we do have a group for that sort of thing, actually, Moc Advice, though it's dead, for the most part...


Keith Goldman has one for the thick of skin.
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| January 2, 2010, 8:02 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
I feel it... important, to note that I had said original statement, which would therefore reflect views said as your original statement. But please do pardon upon assumptions in which most made, though I would note that one should become clearer in one's statment for advice, helps discern from bumbling 6-year old to a guy just looking for some critique.

And we do have a group for that sort of thing, actually, Moc Advice, though it's dead, for the most part...

Was that an apology? If it was thank you, I never knew that group existed

On a previous comment when I said does that remind you of anyone I was thinking of Eienstien Our minds are very similar in the way we organize and speak I (and Eienstin) Did and do not always word things in the most complete way.

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| January 2, 2010, 8:09 pm
Quoting Phazezorz .
I might try there...



For the VERY thick of skin.

At least two kiddies have been left crying into their pillows.
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| January 2, 2010, 8:14 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

For the VERY thick of skin.

At least two kiddies have been left crying into their pillows.

I'm in the first review was So-So and I did correct him on a few things (it was not a dirty cardboard box it is a door in my house that needs to be repainted)
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| January 2, 2010, 8:16 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
I'm in the first review was So-So and I did correct him on a few things (it was not a dirty cardboard box it is a door in my house that needs to be repainted)


Excuses, excuses.

A dirty door as a background is just as ugly as a dirty cardboard box.
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| January 2, 2010, 8:42 pm
Quoting Areetsa C

Excuses, excuses.

A dirty door as a background is just as ugly as a dirty cardboard box.

I wasn't meaning to use it as a background It just so happens that it was there plus it is not dirty just paint has chipped and if you look at my 2 newest mocs I am now using a sheet for a background.
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| January 2, 2010, 8:44 pm
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