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Quoting Keith Goldman
As a former Brother's Brick (for the blink of an eye), I can tell you that a couple of the guys over there don't like this site, mostly because of the photo size restrictions and invasive advertisement. Since those issues reside strictly in one man's court, it is illogical for anyone but Sean K to get aggrivated or emotional over this bias.

If your big goal is to get blogged by the Bro's, open a Flickr account and meet a huge chunk of the community you might not otherwise encounter. I would guess that 90% of the AFOLS TFOLS whatever are active on both sites.

*The veiws expressed in this rant are those of the author and not of the Bro's Brick.


I moved this conversation to it's own thread.

At this point in the conversation, allow me to state for record that I have NOTHING against TBB or the people who run it(Nannan rode in my car to LegoLand last June, very cool dude). Also, I understand that a blog is simply another way of saying "Hey, check out something that I think is cool." and should not be seen as the end all, be all of "making it" in the Lego community.

Of course, I have a vested interest in seeing the MOCpages name get out there more being a site moderator. I'm doing everything I can to get MOCpages more respect in the Lego on line community.

You stated that "If your big goal is to get blogged by the Bro's, open a Flickr account." The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to. If Brothers Brick stated that they didn't blog from mocpages, then that would be a different story. But they say, quite clearly that they DO blog from ALL of the major Lego sites.

I'm not going to sit here and say that they DON'T blog from mocpages at all, that's simply not true. I'm simply saying that the ratio of Flickr blogs to MOCpages blogs is way out of proportion.

I have had numerous conversations with many AFOLs in regards to TBB and we're all pretty much in agreement that MOCpages is not given fair representation on the blog.

That being said, let me say that I understand completely that TBB is free to blog what ever they like (and don't like). I simply would like to see fair representation given is all.
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| December 18, 2009, 8:01 pm
Photo quality on the site is extremelly good, but the site itself is a bit confusing when maneuvering around. thats why i like Mocpages. It's so easy to use, and it displays everyones creations. When i went on their site, i felt a little depressed seeing the stuff on there, and then comparing it to my stuff. *sigh* Mocpages is better- even with the Clonetards and Halo kiddies...
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| December 18, 2009, 9:57 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
That being said, let me say that I understand completely that TBB is free to blog what ever they like (and don't like). I simply would like to see fair representation given is all.

Ditto - You're the man, Chris!
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| December 18, 2009, 10:28 pm
Ok, so...

I doubt that TTB blogs based on picture quality. Pictures need to be good, but not brilliant, so I think that MOCpages' server would be adequate to fit their needs. Don't believe me? When they blogged my Temple a few days ago, they took it off my Flickr page. Certain servers can only contain a maximum dpi' in which the quality of the picture on their blog was much more blurry that my Flickr picture. Thus the quality is roughly the same as MOCpages.

Why don't they come here? The truly great MOCs are harder to find. All of the members of TTB find creations to blog 90% of the time by looking at a particular group on flickr called "Lego" (http://www.flickr.com/groups/lego/) This is because this group is VERY large and many creations pass through it daily. They have everything they need to find good MOCs there without having to deal with searching through an explorer page or a most popular list. Don't forget that when MOCpages is slow, that is not the most fun thing to do.

Next is that MOCpages is just too childish. There are about maybe 200 members on MOCpages who's stuff is actually considered worthy of a TTB blog. These people, consisting of most AFOLs and a few TFOLs are usually the most mature and friendly on MOCpages. It is their MOCs that almost always "get a lot of comments." TTB bloggers do not want to pick out all the starwars and halo MOCs just to find something that might be cool. ( Imagine searching through the most discussed page and having to looks thorough stuff like this:http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/171733). Since most people are in the Lego group of Flickr, it's easier for them to just look there instead of searching so many different sites.

Overall, MOCpages lack of experience and maturity defeats the purpose for any TTB/blogger to visit it. Flickr is more adult like, thus better MOCs, and most people have a flickr account rather than any other lego blogs.

Well, thats my take on it.


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| December 19, 2009, 12:00 am
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Quoting Dylan B
Ok, so...

I doubt that TTB blogs based on picture quality. Pictures need to be good, but not brilliant, so I think that MOCpages' server would be adequate to fit their needs. Don't believe me? When they blogged my Temple a few days ago, they took it off my Flickr page. Certain servers can only contain a maximum dpi' in which the quality of the picture on their blog was much more blurry that my Flickr picture. Thus the quality is roughly the same as MOCpages.

Why don't they come here? The truly great MOCs are harder to find. All of the members of TTB find creations to blog 90% of the time by looking at a particular group on flickr called "Lego" (http://www.flickr.com/groups/lego/) This is because this group is VERY large and many creations pass through it daily. They have everything they need to find good MOCs there without having to deal with searching through an explorer page or a most popular list. Don't forget that when MOCpages is slow, that is not the most fun thing to do.

Next is that MOCpages is just too childish. There are about maybe 200 members on MOCpages who's stuff is actually considered worthy of a TTB blog. These people, consisting of most AFOLs and a few TFOLs are usually the most mature and friendly on MOCpages. It is their MOCs that almost always "get a lot of comments." TTB bloggers do not want to pick out all the starwars and halo MOCs just to find something that might be cool. ( Imagine searching through the most discussed page and having to looks thorough stuff like this:http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/171733). Since most people are in the Lego group of Flickr, it's easier for them to just look there instead of searching so many different sites.

Overall, MOCpages lack of experience and maturity defeats the purpose for any TTB/blogger to visit it. Flickr is more adult like, thus better MOCs, and most people have a flickr account rather than any other lego blogs.

Well, thats my take on it.



Some good points, Dylan. But, as for going through countless MOCs here, couldn't that fairly easily be avoided by creating a favorites list? I think that addition last year was Sean's way of helping us filter through a lot of MOCs that we might not want to mess with.

I also find your comment about Flickr being more "adult like" a little amusing when the bickering over there seems often very childish, and at times intense. Oh, I get what you meant, and I agree completely from that perspective, but it still made me chuckle.

You mentioned the speed of MOCpages, and for me personally that would be enough. I love this site, but there are times when it makes me want to put my fist through a wall (especially when trying to moderate...GOD, it's excruciating)

Someone, maybge Goldman or JD...or perhaps it was you elsewhere, also mentioned the adds. They're becoming increasingly invasive.

So maybe it's not one thing or another, but a combination of all of those factors that in the end, leave some enthusiasts with a bad taste for the site, which I hate to see.

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| December 19, 2009, 11:49 am
Quoting Dylan B
Ok, so...

Next is that MOCpages is just too childish. There are about maybe 200 members on MOCpages who's stuff is actually considered worthy of a TTB blog. These people, consisting of most AFOLs and a few TFOLs are usually the most mature and friendly on MOCpages. It is their MOCs that almost always "get a lot of comments." TTB bloggers do not want to pick out all the starwars and halo MOCs just to find something that might be cool. ( Imagine searching through the most discussed page and having to looks thorough stuff like this:http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/171733). Since most people are in the Lego group of Flickr, it's easier for them to just look there instead of searching so many different sites.

Well, thats my take on it.


I might have taken what you said wrong, but to me it sounded like you said most YFOLs are immature. So, what do you think of YFOLs? Well, you are actually right most YFOLs are immature... But, they rely on TFOLs and AFOLs. Saying all this. The Brothers Brick blogs good creations. Why they don't view MOCpages, I have no idea.
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| December 19, 2009, 12:35 pm
Quoting Jø®dån L.
I might have taken what you said wrong, but to me it sounded like you said most YFOLs are immature. So, what do you think of YFOLs? Well, you are actually right most YFOLs are immature... But, they rely on TFOLs and AFOLs. Saying all this. The Brothers Brick blogs good creations. Why they don't view MOCpages, I have no idea.


YFOLs?
It's a fact of life that generally the less older you are, the more immature you will be. I have nothing against younger people on this site, but they do tend to be the most childish. Probably because they just haven't learned certain facts about life yet. 99% of them do not have the skills yet to build something that could be featured on TTB. Thus since MOCpages is made up of mostly YFOLs, the TTB bloggers tend to stay away from it.
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| December 19, 2009, 1:27 pm
Overall, with everyone's different opinions on this subject, we will never know the truth without asking one of the bloggers themselves.
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| December 19, 2009, 1:29 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
I also find your comment about Flickr being more "adult like" a little amusing when the bickering over there seems often very childish, and at times intense. Oh, I get what you meant, and I agree completely from that perspective, but it still made me chuckle.

Well, as we all know, the ability to blatantly spew ill-strung strings of strong profanity automatically makes you mature. =)

Y'know what's really funny is when two people block each other and then continue their fight on someone else's page. THAT'S mature.

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| December 19, 2009, 3:06 pm
 Group admin 
I've sent an invite and email to Nannan about this. Let's see what Brother's Brick has to say about this issue so we can all stop speculating and get the real reason.
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| December 19, 2009, 4:45 pm
I'm glad this conversation was started. In my opinion most us on TBB are far more active on Flickr than MOCpages, thus most blogged MOCs are from Flickr. In addition, when a MOC is presented on multiple sites, many of us tend to link to Flickr. I think this is in part because we believe many of our readers are also active on Flickr.

However, this is not to say that we will purposely not blog anything from MOCpages. If something really good from MOCpages slips the blog, it's either because we missed it or because we blogged it from Flickr. Keep in mind that not all the best MOCs posted online gets blogged. We're often busy and don't have time to blog everything good we see. Also, we each have our individual preferences for blogworthy MOCs, which sometimes doesn’t agree with our readers or even with the other bloggers’ tastes. Finally, we try not to over-represent a builder even if everything he/she builds is blog worthy.

Despite all this, I visit MOCpages multiple times daily and check the most popular creations of the day. Although I can’t keep up with discussions on MOCpages, I consider myself informed on the best creations posted from this site (which is also my first interactive LEGO community). When I’m blogging a MOC that’s presented on multiple sites, I will link to the one that provides the most descriptions or pictures.

I hope this helps. The other bloggers may have different things to say; these are my two cents.

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| December 19, 2009, 5:48 pm
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Quoting Nannan Z.
I'm glad this conversation was started...


Thanks for joining in the conversation Nannan. It's best to get the true reasons from the actual people rather than speculating. Anyone else have questions for Nannan while he's here? Speak now, he's a busy dude.
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| December 19, 2009, 6:02 pm
I'm not as busy if I can be of help :)
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| December 19, 2009, 6:13 pm
Quoting Nannan Z.
I'm not as busy if I can be of help :)

I was wondering, where do you get your inspiration?
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| December 19, 2009, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Nannan Z.
I'm not as busy if I can be of help :)


Nannan, would you be up for an "ask Nannan" thread?

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| December 19, 2009, 10:14 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
Someone, maybe Goldman or JD...or perhaps it was you elsewhere, also mentioned the ads. They're becoming increasingly invasive.


Examples:

* Excessive amounts of bare dude-chest


Not just dudes...
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| December 19, 2009, 10:59 pm
 Group admin 
Yeah, but we don't mind the other ones...
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| December 19, 2009, 11:08 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
Yeah, but we don't mind the other ones...


I'm sometimes tempted to join that online game...

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| December 19, 2009, 11:23 pm
Quoting brick freak
Photo quality on the site is extremelly good, but the site itself is a bit confusing when maneuvering around. thats why i like Mocpages. It's so easy to use, and it displays everyones creations. When i went on their site, i felt a little depressed seeing the stuff on there, and then comparing it to my stuff. *sigh* Mocpages is better- even with the Clonetards and Halo kiddies...

You do realize that 50% of the "Halo Kiddies" are TFOLs and the rest are YFOLs. same with the "clonetards".
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| December 20, 2009, 8:25 am
Quoting Jø®dån L.
You do realize that 50% of the "Halo Kiddies" are TFOLs and the rest are YFOLs. same with the "clonetards".


After my post tomorrow, I might just fit into that range.
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| December 20, 2009, 10:05 pm
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Quoting Jø®dån L.
You do realize that 50% of the "Halo Kiddies" are TFOLs and the rest are YFOLs. same with the "clonetards".


I confess to being one of the Halo Kiddies myself, and I'm working on a rather large MOC to prove it to the world...we'll see how that pans out. So there's at least ONE adult Lego addict in the bunch!

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| December 21, 2009, 8:44 am
Quoting Mark Kelso

I confess to being one of the Halo Kiddies myself,

That's Halo Kiddie, not to be confused with Halo, Sailor.
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| December 21, 2009, 7:41 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso
So there's at least ONE adult Lego addict in the bunch!

What about Brian Kenscovict (I know that's spelled wrong)?
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| December 21, 2009, 9:29 pm
Quoting Architect of Vonthako

True that

Examples:

* Excessive amounts of bare dude-chest

* Random disembodied teeth

* CLICK THIS NOW OR WE’LL KEEP FLASHING IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A SEIZURE!!!

Haha! Yes, indeed. I've actually spoken to Sean about the adds, he said he's taken care of a couple, but didn't know about some of them. He actually pointed the finger back at me and said: "Many of them are based off of your browsing habits." Thanks Sean, not that kind of guy...

But I've been to fellow-Mocers houses, and they see the same things.

I honestly think some parents (I know mine would, even though I'm in my twenties...) would have a cow with their little people seeing the kind of adds that are on here.
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| February 12, 2010, 11:47 am
Quoting Nannan Z.
I'm glad this conversation was started. In my opinion most us on TBB are far more active on Flickr than MOCpages, thus most blogged MOCs are from Flickr. In addition, when a MOC is presented on multiple sites, many of us tend to link to Flickr. I think this is in part because we believe many of our readers are also active on Flickr.

However, this is not to say that we will purposely not blog anything from MOCpages. If something really good from MOCpages slips the blog, it's either because we missed it or because we blogged it from Flickr. Keep in mind that not all the best MOCs posted online gets blogged. We're often busy and don't have time to blog everything good we see. Also, we each have our individual preferences for blogworthy MOCs, which sometimes doesn’t agree with our readers or even with the other bloggers’ tastes. Finally, we try not to over-represent a builder even if everything he/she builds is blog worthy.

Despite all this, I visit MOCpages multiple times daily and check the most popular creations of the day. Although I can’t keep up with discussions on MOCpages, I consider myself informed on the best creations posted from this site (which is also my first interactive LEGO community). When I’m blogging a MOC that’s presented on multiple sites, I will link to the one that provides the most descriptions or pictures.

I hope this helps. The other bloggers may have different things to say; these are my two cents.


Don't blog me -- just read Glomshire Knights! (Sorry, had to give meself a plug since I'm not building anything at the moment.)

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| March 14, 2010, 7:22 pm
I know this topic was started a while ago, but I thought it would be a good opportunity to say something that's been on my mind for a while since joining MOCpages:

What the h-e-double lacrosse sticks is going on in the world? I mean seriously, It's sad. I'm talking about people desperately wanting their LEGO creations to be blogged AT ALL. It's one thing if you're a professional LEGO artist, but.... guys, come on. It's precisely for this reason I chose MOCPages for my creations, and not flickr. Also, not to sound all "I'm too cool for that" or anything but, I prefer to keep my flickr account for photos of...well....my life, you know? Camping trips and nature scenes and urban explorations with friends and family, that sort of thing.

Sure, I understand wanting to be recognized by the community, and everyone loves to be noticed for something. I think in terms of providing feedback, and helping to spread interesting works throughout the community, TBB, and other bloggers, fulfill a respectable role. To that end, I'm perfectly cool with this trend. Still though, something just doesnt seem...right.

I guess what erks me the most is, I don't really feel anyone should be considered an authority on art. I know, that sounds all crazy but its what I believe. When I see kids here on MOCpages (and adults, for that matter) clambering on about TBB and other bloggers, and view how aggressive people get on flickr, a big 'W'T'H' pops into my head.

In summation of this ridiculously long and likely off-topic rant I say only this: Guys (not YOU guys, in the group, just everyone in general), It's....LEGO. Build what you want. Build what you think is cool. Express yourself, regardless of whether or not you think its "BlogWorthy". That's when true art is born.
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| March 18, 2010, 12:33 pm
Quoting Matthew David

What the h-e-double lacrosse sticks is going on in the world? I mean seriously, It's sad. I'm talking about people desperately wanting their LEGO creations to be blogged AT ALL. It's one thing if you're a professional LEGO artist, but.... guys, come on. It's precisely for this reason I chose MOCPages for my creations, and not flickr. Also, not to sound all "I'm too cool for that" or anything but, I prefer to keep my flickr account for photos of...well....my life, you know? Camping trips and nature scenes and urban explorations with friends and family, that sort of thing.


HERE, HERE! Well said.

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| March 18, 2010, 1:02 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
Quoting Matthew David

What the h-e-double lacrosse sticks is going on in the world? I mean seriously, It's sad. I'm talking about people desperately wanting their LEGO creations to be blogged AT ALL. It's one thing if you're a professional LEGO artist, but.... guys, come on. It's precisely for this reason I chose MOCPages for my creations, and not flickr. Also, not to sound all "I'm too cool for that" or anything but, I prefer to keep my flickr account for photos of...well....my life, you know? Camping trips and nature scenes and urban explorations with friends and family, that sort of thing.


HERE, HERE! Well said.


Thanks. I was wondering if this would be first met with scorn or praise.
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| March 18, 2010, 1:05 pm
Quoting Matthew David

Thanks. I was wondering if this would be first met with scorn or praise.

Praise from me, I totally agree with you. I am an AFOL and one thing that irks me here is some of the people who think comments or whatever on there creations is the most important thing in the world. This is a hobby to me, for fun, that's it.
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| March 18, 2010, 1:12 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
Praise from me, I totally agree with you. I am an AFOL and one thing that irks me here is some of the people who think comments or whatever on there creations is the most important thing in the world. This is a hobby to me, for fun, that's it.


ditto. I mean, would Van Gogh cut off his other ear if starry night didn't get the response he wanted on his blog?

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| March 18, 2010, 1:18 pm
Quoting Matthew David

ditto. I mean, would Van Gogh cut off his other ear if starry night didn't get the response he wanted on his blog?

HAHAHA!
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| March 18, 2010, 1:28 pm
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Quoting Matthew David


Nothing to do with this tread, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry for having to delete your page that you recently uploaded. While I AGREE with your sentiment 400%, your post was not a "moc" and therefore we couldn't allow it to stay... man I hate doing that, expecially when I agree with what was said, but If I do it for one person, I have to do the same for the next.

I did read through the comments on that post though. Perhaps you should do that moc that was talked about.

Also, MOTD isn't "entirely" random. There IS a formula that chooses MOTD. It's based on number of hits/number of comments AND randomness. The system's not perfect, but it works for now.

Thanks for understanding!
~Chris.
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| March 18, 2010, 6:58 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Thanks for understanding!
~Chris.


how presumptuous of you to assume I understand! ha.

just kidding. No that's fine. I did figure there was some kind of rule that a MOC would have to have so many "likes" or whatever to be eligible for MOTD - I just thought it was funny that....that one....slipped though. So, I assume then the current trend of uploading comment box MOCs is exempt from deletion?

Anyway I appreciate the fact you actually explained the reason for deletion, instead of just axing the page and splitting all drive-by style. That's surely what I would have done were I a mod
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| March 18, 2010, 7:22 pm
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Quoting Matthew David
So, I assume then the current trend of uploading comment box MOCs is exempt from deletion?


No, those are fair game to be goners as well. I don't go "hunting them down" mind you, but when I see one, I delete it.

Sean's philosophy on the subject is this. Any moc can potentially be MOTD (and judging by today's example, we KNOW that to be true). With that being said, any post that is not either an actual moc, or a "blog" about things like conventions and so on, should not be on MOCpages.

Things like comment boxes, drawings of Lego, pictures of your cat, what you had for breakfast, stories about your "supr AwSum Empir!" and so on are not allowed.

Just to show that I'm not being hypocritical here, I used to have a post on my page that was about 35 pages long that was rules for a Lego based, table top game that had no pics of any Lego throughout... I deleted that myself.

Again, thanks for being cool about it.

~Chris.
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| March 18, 2010, 7:45 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

No, those are fair game to be goners as well. I don't go "hunting them down" mind you, but when I see one, I delete it.

Sean's philosophy on the subject is this. Any moc can potentially be MOTD (and judging by today's example, we KNOW that to be true). With that being said, any post that is not either an actual moc, or a "blog" about things like conventions and so on, should not be on MOCpages.

Things like comment boxes, drawings of Lego, pictures of your cat, what you had for breakfast, stories about your "supr AwSum Empir!" and so on are not allowed.

Just to show that I'm not being hypocritical here, I used to have a post on my page that was about 35 pages long that was rules for a Lego based, table top game that had no pics of any Lego throughout... I deleted that myself.

Again, thanks for being cool about it.

~Chris.


I thought the rule was that as long as it had a picture of something you made of lego on it, it was fair game.

Hm.

Strange.
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| March 18, 2010, 7:53 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Just to show that I'm not being hypocritical here, I used to have a post on my page that was about 35 pages long that was rules for a Lego based, table top game that had no pics of any Lego throughout... I deleted that myself.

Again, thanks for being cool about it.

~Chris.


bummer, sounds like a great basis for a new drinking game.

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| March 18, 2010, 9:10 pm
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