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Hi, obviously all you guys are Christians, but I highly doubt that this means you all believe the EXACT same thing. I mean, you guys have to have some sort of variation in you beliefs. For example, I believe that there is a God, but I believe in science also. By that I mean I believe in the big bang, not the story of creation. This brought up some pretty interesting ideas in my head, such as "What if God IS the universe, and we live upon him, like bacteria on skin?"

What do you guys believe?
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| April 14, 2010, 1:19 pm
Quoting Scott Aldridge
What do you guys believe?


If you believe in the God of the Bible, there's no need for the big bang, or evolution, since these are modern orgins theories that have been superimposed over scientific facts. Creation scientists are able to adequately make sense of the same facts and information that evolutionists use, but in perfect harmony with a literal interpretation of the Bible.

Science is meant to glorify God. By studying His creation, we should be able to see how wonderfully he made everything. To take all the information he gave us in the fossil record, the heavens, and the animal kingdoms, and turn it into self-serving philosophies is tragic.
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| April 14, 2010, 5:11 pm
You can find out more regarding what I was talking about here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/
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| April 14, 2010, 5:13 pm
Quoting Architect of Vonthako

According to this unproven (and unprovable) theory, the universe came to being from a singularity, essentially all the matter/energy in the universe compressed into one, extremely small mass. Then, for some reason, it exploded, thus creating the universe, and here we are today.
Questions about the “Big Bang”
* How did this singularity get there in the first place? Where did it come from?


I believe it came from another universe. I doubt there is just one universe, just as I doubt God making humans in his image. If anything, we are the scourge of the planet, and animals are superior.

And this is just general beliefs, not just creation. :P
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| April 15, 2010, 10:43 am
Quoting Architect of Vonthako

While it is unfortunate that some people destroy God's creation rather than take care of it, I don't think such a blanket statement should be applied to all of humanity.

Also, how are animals "superior"? God put humans in a position of authority over the animals, and Jesus died and rose again for humans, not for animals.

And even if we were to go with your misguided theory, what do you propose we do about it?


Ok, that was a bit over the top saying we're the scourge of the Earth, but I believe animals are superior because of they don't wage ware against each other, and don't divide themselves into groups because of what they believe. They only care about survival.

Also, I'm leaving the group. After all, I am no Christian, and I fear I might cause trouble by arguing (it's all I seem to do in this group. :P).
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| April 15, 2010, 4:15 pm
Quoting Scott Aldridge
Hi, obviously all you guys are Christians, but I highly doubt that this means you all believe the EXACT same thing. I mean, you guys have to have some sort of variation in you beliefs. For example, I believe that there is a God, but I believe in science also. By that I mean I believe in the big bang, not the story of creation. This brought up some pretty interesting ideas in my head, such as "What if God IS the universe, and we live upon him, like bacteria on skin?"

What do you guys believe?

Well... if you think creation doesn't make sense, then check out Kent Hovind's videos on that subject. You can find him all over youtube. However, bear in mind that he is a protestant priest and calls you to pray with him at the end. I just skip that part cuz I'm Greek Orthodox.
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| May 17, 2010, 6:32 am
Quoting Scott Aldridge

Ok, that was a bit over the top saying we're the scourge of the Earth, but I believe animals are superior because of they don't wage ware against each other, and don't divide themselves into groups because of what they believe. They only care about survival.

Also, I'm leaving the group. After all, I am no Christian, and I fear I might cause trouble by arguing (it's all I seem to do in this group. :P).

Scott, I'd hate to see you leave. I think you have questions that deserve answers, and often debate is a way to find them. One thing I might venture to ask: What about carnivores who separate into packs, and fight other packs? Is that not waging "war"? At the same time, they kill other animals without ever considering the animals babies, etc. I know they have to eat, but that seems like killing regardless to circumstance, while the majority of humans still consider the persons position before killing them, i.e., they have a conscience.
All of a sudden the superiority of animals is going...
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| May 18, 2010, 7:31 pm
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animals don't have souls. We are superior.
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| May 18, 2010, 8:55 pm
I personally think that God's time is different to our time. time is a dimension, one that we humans do not understand that well. The Big Bang, I my opinion, is God's way of saying,"Let there be light". So basically, my thesis is that God used evolution to go about creating us. All the scientific data supports evolution for the most part, and the order of creation is pretty much the same as what evolution claims. Also, I do not believe that God intended for the Israelites to know, "First I took a mouse..." and goes off on a long talk about how he used science in various ways. He did this because

a) God did not want the Israelites knowing about it, as it would harm the timeline
b)The Israelites would be fast asleep by the time Moses finished his sermon.

Besides, did Jesus come down to earth and say, "Hey guys, the Earth is round."

No. I do not belive that Jesus came down from heaven to be crucified on a tree to let us all know that the Earth was round, and The Universe is expanding, and stars are just huge balls of fire.

So I believe that God used evolution to create the world. And let us remember, THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC TEXTBOOK. It is to show god's plan for humanity and to tell that Jesus christ died for our sins. Not to tell us how monkeys turned into humans.
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| May 23, 2010, 4:46 pm
Quoting Markster 1701
I personally think that God's time is different to our time. time is a dimension, one that we humans do not understand that well. The Big Bang, I my opinion, is God's way of saying,"Let there be light". So basically, my thesis is that God used evolution to go about creating us. All the scientific data supports evolution for the most part, and the order of creation is pretty much the same as what evolution claims. Also, I do not believe that God intended for the Israelites to know, "First I took a mouse..." and goes off on a long talk about how he used science in various ways. He did this because

a) God did not want the Israelites knowing about it, as it would harm the timeline
b)The Israelites would be fast asleep by the time Moses finished his sermon.

Besides, did Jesus come down to earth and say, "Hey guys, the Earth is round."

No. I do not belive that Jesus came down from heaven to be crucified on a tree to let us all know that the Earth was round, and The Universe is expanding, and stars are just huge balls of fire.

So I believe that God used evolution to create the world. And let us remember, THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC TEXTBOOK. It is to show god's plan for humanity and to tell that Jesus christ died for our sins. Not to tell us how monkeys turned into humans.

Woah woah what? Evolution as God's way of Creation?! First of all do you believe in rapid or elongated Eolution. Rapid being that it happens too fast for us to observe and Elongated meaning it happens to slowly over mil/bil-lions of years. The Hebrew word for the standard 24 hour day is "yom". Yom is the same word used in the creation week. Which completely eliminates all possibility of the days being trillions of years old as some Christian evolutionists put it.
Also I want to see those stats about "more scientific evidence for evolution". Please pm with more info of your beliefs.

My Gosh I love this group. Such a variety of faiths and beliefs from all across the globe and with mixed cultures. Praise God.


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| May 24, 2010, 4:59 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Woah woah what? Evolution as God's way of Creation?! First of all do you believe in rapid or elongated Eolution. Rapid being that it happens too fast for us to observe and Elongated meaning it happens to slowly over mil/bil-lions of years. The Hebrew word for the standard 24 hour day is "yom". Yom is the same word used in the creation week. Which completely eliminates all possibility of the days being trillions of years old as some Christian evolutionists put it.
Also I want to see those stats about "more scientific evidence for evolution". Please pm with more info of your beliefs.

My Gosh I love this group. Such a variety of faiths and beliefs from all across the globe and with mixed cultures. Praise God.


So blake, is moses gonna understand what evolution is? remember, the Israelites are an ancient civilization. If God talked about Evolution, the ipad could have been launched in the 70s. I think god has his own ways of doing things.
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| May 26, 2010, 10:05 pm
Quoting Markster 1701
So blake, is moses gonna understand what evolution is? remember, the Israelites are an ancient civilization. If God talked about Evolution, the ipad could have been launched in the 70s. I think god has his own ways of doing things.

Well, does being an ancient civilization make the people unintelligent? My point: The Aztecs successfully performed brain surgery on live patients, Noah built a massive ship with the help of a few sons (which required at least cranes), and the Romans could span aqueducts hundreds of miles and they still flowed perfectly. So, I would venture that Moses and the Israelites could have understood the concept of evolution. Unless there was no evolution for God to tell them about. Since God never mentions creating with evolution in the Bible, where can we get the idea that He used it?
I think that the lack of cross species is a big problem with the evolution hypothesis. Some few skeletons found of strange creatures provides support for an entire belief system? Maybe we should take the Bible literally (parables aside) and believe that when God said "Let there be light" whoosh! It was there. No time elapsed. No tools needed. God spoke. It happened. Just one word, a thought. And the pieces of the universe instantly appeared.
Out of curiosity, when did the description of a day change? All of a sudden, out of Genesis, the word had to take on new meaning. But...there's no record of that. Since Adam lived for hundreds of years, the change would have happened right after creation. Where lies the evidence for that?

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| May 27, 2010, 9:12 am
Quoting Markster 1701
So blake, is moses gonna understand what evolution is? remember, the Israelites are an ancient civilization. If God talked about Evolution, the ipad could have been launched in the 70s. I think god has his own ways of doing things.
Hey Mudskipper it was NOAH who built the Arc not Moses. I do get them mixed up though too.

Again I find myself saying "What?" iPad released in the 70s? yeah that is good evidence for Evolution. I absolutely agree that God does his own way of things. If God so chose to tell the world that He used Evolution to create the earth He would. If He wanted to create the Earth using Evolution then He would. I am still waiting on your response for your belief's on time before I can dive into the scientific side of this.

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| May 27, 2010, 11:46 am
Quoting Blake Baer
Hey Mudskipper it was NOAH who built the Arc not Moses. I do get them mixed up though too.
Oh gosh! I did say Moses...First time I've done that I think. Thanks for pointing it out Blake.

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| May 27, 2010, 10:36 pm
Quoting Architect of Vonthako

Questions about the “Big Bang”
* How did this singularity get there in the first place? Where did it come from?
* If there was no universe prior, what did it explode into?
* How did the universe make up it’s own laws on the fly?

I believe you have got it wrong. You see, God USED evolution to create the universe. GOD create the BIg Bang. Remember, God is infinite. He has always been there. ALWAYS. There was a Galaxy before and God certainly was there. What was there? None of our buissiness.
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| November 2, 2010, 11:26 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Woah woah what? Evolution as God's way of Creation?! First of all do you believe in rapid or elongated Eolution. Rapid being that it happens too fast for us to observe and Elongated meaning it happens to slowly over mil/bil-lions of years. The Hebrew word for the standard 24 hour day is "yom". Yom is the same word used in the creation week. Which completely eliminates all possibility of the days being trillions of years old as some Christian evolutionists put it.
Also I want to see those stats about "more scientific evidence for evolution". Please pm with more info of your beliefs.

My Gosh I love this group. Such a variety of faiths and beliefs from all across the globe and with mixed cultures. Praise God.


Yes. It is true the Hebrew is a 24 day period. God did tell that to the Israelites. But which 24 day period? I'm sorry, but I have never heard of Mars having one, or Jupiter, or any other planet.God is a Supernatural being. This is something people don't understand.We are not meant to comepletely understand him. We have to trust him.
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| November 2, 2010, 11:32 pm
Quoting Mark 1701
Yes. It is true the Hebrew is a 24 day period. God did tell that to the Israelites. But which 24 day period? I'm sorry, but I have never heard of Mars having one, or Jupiter, or any other planet.God is a Supernatural being. This is something people don't understand.We are not meant to comepletely understand him. We have to trust him.

Actually the all the planets spin on an axis, so does the Sun and Moon, the moon we don't see spin because it is relative to it's rotation around the Earth.
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| November 3, 2010, 4:25 pm
Quoting Mark 1701
I believe you have got it wrong. You see, God USED evolution to create the universe. GOD create the Big Bang. Remember, God is infinite. He has always been there. ALWAYS. There was a Galaxy before and God certainly was there. What was there? None of our business.

I believe the Big Bang created a God/Alien Life Form that then went on to either A. Actually CREATE life and send it on that [supposed] comet that had life on it or B. Discovered the comet and sent it our way. Then the being could have gone to check on Earth's progress and discovered humans. Since the being had "god like" powers to the humans, religion was created.
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| November 3, 2010, 4:28 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Again I find myself saying "What?" iPad released in the 70s? yeah that is good evidence for Evolution. I absolutely agree that God does his own way of things. If God so chose to tell the world that He used Evolution to create the earth He would. If He wanted to create the Earth using Evolution then He would. I am still waiting on your response for your belief's on time before I can dive into the scientific side of this.

Maybe he keeps secrets too. After all if we WERE created by him in HIS IMAGE and he knew of good and evil, wouldn't that mean can keep secrets, lie etc? Not saying he actually WOULD just the possibility he COULD.
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| November 3, 2010, 4:34 pm
Quoting Mudskipper 4
Well, does being an ancient civilization make the people unintelligent? My point: The Aztecs successfully performed brain surgery on live patients, Noah built a massive ship with the help of a few sons (which required at least cranes), and the Romans could span aqueducts hundreds of miles and they still flowed perfectly. So, I would venture that Moses and the Israelites could have understood the concept of evolution.

YAY! Someone who agrees! I am tiered of people bad mouthing ancients calling them st00p!d. Just because they didn't have modern "technology" doesn't mean they were off worse, I honestly think they were off BETTER then us now.

Quoting Mudskipper 4 Unless there was no evolution for God to tell them about. Since God never mentions creating with evolution in the Bible, where can we get the idea that He used it?

Maybe people thinking for themselves, instead of relying on a book for that all we know could be false. Not saying it is false, just the possibility.

Quoting Mudskipper 4
I think that the lack of cross species is a big problem with the evolution hypothesis. Some few skeletons found of strange creatures provides support for an entire belief system?

It is still the THEORY of evolution, still hasn't been completely tested. It hasn't been disproved yet, but it can.
Quoting Mudskipper 4
Maybe we should take the Bible literally

There lies an issue with me. It is taken TOO literally. Take a look at it from a metaphorical view.
Quoting Mudskipper 4
and believe that when God said "Let there be light" whoosh! It was there. No time elapsed.

Last time I checked that was DAY ONE, so obviously time had to elapse.
Quoting Mudskipper 4 And the pieces of the universe instantly appeared.

Where did he say "Let there be a universe!", last time I checked it was just Earth he created.

Quoting Mudskipper 4
Out of curiosity, when did the description of a day change? All of a sudden, Genesis, the word had to take on new meaning.

I actually don't know about that, please tell me more of what you are talking about. Never heard of a time change other then our B.C. to A.D. and daylight savings time.

Quoting Mudskipper 4 Since Adam lived for hundreds of years,

Where is your evidence for that?
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| November 3, 2010, 4:43 pm
Quoting Wes Pitter

If you believe in the God of the Bible, there's no need for the big bang, or evolution, since these are modern orgins theories that have been superimposed over scientific facts

The Bible is not scientific fact, last time I checked Astronomy, Physics, ETC... are.

Quoting Wes Pitter
Creation scientists are able to adequately make sense of the same facts and information that evolutionists use, but in perfect harmony with a literal interpretation of the Bible.

Literal interpretation = Misinterpretation = People fighting over who is right. Metaphorical view = Maybe this actually meant ...?

Quoting Wes Pitter
Science is meant to glorify God. By studying His creation, we should be able to see how wonderfully he made everything.

Not everyone worships the same God/s. Science is to make sense of the physical world around us, not superstitions and supernatural things.
Quoting Wes Pitter To take all the information he gave us in the fossil record, the heavens, and the animal kingdoms, and turn it into self-serving philosophies is tragic.

So the universe eventually imploding and the sun swallowing the Earth is a self serving philosophy?
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| November 3, 2010, 4:49 pm
I pretty much just skimmed over the other comments so I mite be slightly out of place. I believe that God created the world exactly like he said he did and that evolution is a scientific excuse for huminism. Through the comments people have been talking about scientific proof.It is true that there is much more proof for Creation than Evolution but do you realy need scientific proof to BELIEVE what God said?
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| March 4, 2011, 8:33 pm
Quoting Aaron Christiansen
I pretty much just skimmed over the other comments so I mite be slightly out of place. I believe that God created the world exactly like he said he did and that evolution is a scientific excuse for huminism. Through the comments people have been talking about scientific proof.It is true that there is much more proof for Creation than Evolution but do you realy need scientific proof to BELIEVE what God said?




Yes, the Bible says it plain and clear, God said it and it was so. It did not say it took some millions of years before his command happened.

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| March 14, 2011, 12:04 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Quoting Mudskipper 4 Since Adam lived for hundreds of years,

Where is your evidence for that?


The Bible perhaps? Genesis 5:5 "Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died."

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| March 14, 2011, 2:32 pm
Quoting Blake Baer

The Bible perhaps? Genesis 5:5 "Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died."

I mean TANGIBLE evidence. Not a line that was written by some one a millennium ago. The indirect evidence for the BB is outstanding, actual proof. While you have a book that could be fictitious.
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| March 24, 2011, 9:48 pm
Quoting Mark 1701

Questions about the “Big Bang”
* How did this singularity get there in the first place? Where did it come from?

Was a previous universe that was crunched up from too much expansion.

Quoting Mark 1701
* If there was no universe prior, what did it explode into?

There was, it was just packed into a tiny ball.

Quoting Mark 1701
* How did the universe make up it’s own laws on the fly?

It has to do with atoms and how they react.

Quoting Mark 1701 There was a Galaxy before and God certainly was there. What was there? None of our buissiness.

Excuse me. It is our business. Before we know it we will run out of room on this planet. And we need to find the other life out there, in whatever form it is in.
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| March 24, 2011, 9:58 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Excuse me. It is our business. Before we know it we will run out of room on this planet. And we need to find the other life out there, in whatever form it is in.

Whoa hold up there a second. I never said any of that. I did not ask those childish questions
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| March 25, 2011, 5:05 pm
The bible is God's word, and God does not make mistakes, therefore the bible doesn't have any mistakes. So if anything contradicts the bible it is wrong. Does the bible mention evolution? no. Does the bible mention the big bang? no.
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| March 30, 2011, 4:22 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
The bible is God's word, and God does not make mistakes, so the bible doesn't have any mistakes. So if anything contradicts the bible it is wrong. Does the bible mention evolution? no. Does the bible mention the big bang? no.

Amen *claps* lol i agree, if the Bible says So and so then thats the truth... so therefore there is no big bang or evelution. simple as that.
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| March 30, 2011, 4:41 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
The bible is God's word, and God does not make mistakes, therefore the bible doesn't have any mistakes. So if anything contradicts the bible it is wrong. Does the bible mention evolution? no. Does the bible mention the big bang? no.

God does not necessarily exist. It was written by people a long time ago, who quite frankly, could have been drunk or high when they had their "visions". Just because something thinks differently, does not make it wrong.
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| March 30, 2011, 4:50 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
God does not necessarily exist. It was written by people a long time ago, who quite frankly, could have been drunk or high when they had their "visions". Just because something thinks differently, does not make it wrong.


God is not just "something", he made everything that exists!
It is Christians' job to believe that God exists, if "God does not necessarily exist" then why do we Christians worship him?

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| March 30, 2011, 5:32 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
That is so wrong on so many levels. You do realize we know a million times more than when the Bible was written, right?

*highfive*
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| March 30, 2011, 5:36 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
That is so wrong on so many levels. You do realize we know a million times more than when the Bible was written, right?

So you're saying that either (A): The Bible isn't really God's word, or (B): God is wrong? Christ Himself supported His Father, and the Bible. Is your faith that different from mine that it allows you to accuse Christ Himself of dishonesty or ignorance?
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| March 30, 2011, 5:41 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
That is so wrong on so many levels. You do realize we know a million times more than when the Bible was written, right?

I didn't say everything we know now is wrong. for example, If evolution happened then it would have had to be before Adam and Eve, because they are described as human, so that leaves six days for apes to become humans. If that isn't true I'm pretty sure God would have noticed if Adam and Eve were apes, but could talk to and acknowledged him. The bible doesn't mention modern time, as it wasn't written in this time period. but evolution and the big bang would have had to happen before it was written, so then it could be documented. I was not trying to say that modern time is all wrong, I was trying to say that if evolution and the big bang happened they would have been acknowledged by the people that wrote the bible (who would have been influenced by God to write it.) God wouldn't have left off even the slightest detail from the time he created the universe to the time the bible was finished.

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| March 30, 2011, 5:53 pm
Some parts of the bible can be taken literally, other parts can't. It is my decision of weather or not I want to take this part of the bible literally. The topic of this thread is to show different beliefs within the Christian community. My beliefs may be different that yours, but ultimately I decide what my beliefs are, not you or anybody else.
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| March 30, 2011, 6:07 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
Did I mention that the Bible can be read contextually, not just literally? So that means that the "days" could actually be millions of years, allowing for the big bang and for humans to fully develop.

@Mark: C, neither, I'm saying that the Bible writers could be a little off, seeing as they did not know much about science at the time.

Exactly. Plus, they wouldn't have known about the Big Bang, and evolution. That is based off of modern understanding, science, and technology.
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| March 30, 2011, 6:21 pm
Quoting W. Mark
So you're saying that either (A): The Bible isn't really God's word, or (B): God is wrong? Christ Himself supported His Father, and the Bible. Is your faith that different from mine that it allows you to accuse Christ Himself of dishonesty or ignorance?

(Matthew Cox claps at the awesome question posed)
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| March 30, 2011, 6:23 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
Exactly. Plus, they wouldn't have known about the Big Bang, and evolution. That is based off of modern understanding, science, and technology.

Once again the bible doesn't have any mistakes. God doesn't work for thousands of years(on the bible) to allow "drunk people" to make a mistake when writing it down.
I don't think god would just forget that he originally made humans as apes!
IF EVOLUTION HAPPENED THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED!
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| March 30, 2011, 6:28 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
God does not necessarily exist. It was written by people a long time ago, who quite frankly, could have been drunk or high when they had their "visions". Just because something thinks differently, does not make it wrong.

If "God does not necessarily exist." then why are you a Christian?
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| March 30, 2011, 6:39 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
And again, I point out your ignorance by saying: These people weren't intelligent enough to theorize about evolution yet.

God worked through people to make the bible, and yes people at the time couldn't theorize about evolution. However, God Knows everything, and he would be smart enough to make people write down evolution if it was true.




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| March 30, 2011, 6:52 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
If "God does not necessarily exist." then why are you a Christian?

Meaning that we truly DON'T KNOW IF HE EXISTS! Plain and simple. I'm Russian Orthodox, thanks for asking. I was baptized into it when I was a baby.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:10 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
And again, I point out your ignorance by saying: These people weren't intelligent enough to theorize about evolution yet.

I don't think this Cox kid realizes he has been pwnd. He has a right to his belifs, but can not go around saying what we should think, and what was right or wrong. Actually, they were pretty intelligent about math and such, just the Christian Church decides to dominate thinking and such.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
The Bible isn't a Science book, ya' know.

Exactly.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:13 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
God worked through people to make the bible, and yes people at the time couldn't theorize about evolution. However, God Knows everything, and he would be smart enough to make people write down evolution if it was true.




How do you know he worked through people? HOW!?!?! How do you know Adam lived 900 something years. How do you know he existed? You can't trust a book, that can be, and has been in certain areas, proven wrong. Why would he make someone write down something that contradicts his "all mighty power"?
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| March 30, 2011, 7:16 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
The Bible isn't a Science book, ya' know.

The Bible is definitely a science textbook! It is the exact account of how the universe was created, and if the universe being created isn't science then I don't what is!

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| March 30, 2011, 7:16 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
Once again the bible doesn't have any mistakes. God doesn't work for thousands of years(on the bible) to allow "drunk people" to make a mistake when writing it down.
I don't think god would just forget that he originally made humans as apes!
IF EVOLUTION HAPPENED THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED!

As I said, why would he contradict his "all mighty power"? He didn't work for "thousands of years". The bible was written early in the first millennia, and some time after that. It is not thousands of years old. Just a few hundred years under that.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:19 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
The Bible is definitely a science textbook! It is the exact account of how the universe was created, and if the universe being created isn't science then I don't what is!

This comment is laughable. By your definition anything not in the bible is fake, and a lie. LEGO isn't in the bible, must be fake. Movies, television, E=M2, Einstein, you, me, phones, school. I guess my understanding of life was TOTALLY WRONG! (Note that sentence was SARCASM).
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| March 30, 2011, 7:23 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
How do you know he worked through people? HOW!?!?! How do you know Adam lived 900 something years. How do you know he existed? You can't trust a book, that can be, and has been in certain areas, proven wrong. Why would he make someone write down something that contradicts his "all mighty power"?

Does God lie?
If we can't trust the bible, then we can't trust God.

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| March 30, 2011, 7:46 pm
Quoting Matthew Cox
Does God lie?
If we can't trust the bible, then we can't trust God.

(I replied to your comment, but it got moderated because I used but with two t's).
How do we know (if he actually exists) that he isn't just saving his own skin to make himself look better?
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| March 30, 2011, 7:57 pm
Quoting Brendan Dore
@Mark: C, neither, I'm saying that the Bible writers could be a little off, seeing as they did not know much about science at the time.

...but then the Bible wouldn't truly be completely the word of God, which is more like (A). However, I will acknowledge that the Bible never specifically says evolution did not happen, and if the scientific facts indicated that evolution was far more like than creation, I might even choose to interpret the Bible that way. However, the Bible definitely seems to indicate creationism rather than evolution, and much of the scientific information I have seen indicates that intelligent design is far more likely than accidental occurance. None of the possible methods for large-scale evolution I have found seem very likely or practical to me in comparison with an intelligent design and a little bit of natural selection.
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| March 30, 2011, 7:58 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
...E=M2...

E = mc Squared, I think you'll find. A fun equation to work with... all the electrical power the United States uses in a year is barely enough to create a quarter kilo (about half a pound) of matter. It makes the energy-based big bang theory seem even more unlikely to me.
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| March 30, 2011, 8:07 pm
Quoting W. Mark
Quoting Matthew Novosad
...E=M2...

E = mc Squared, I think you'll find. A fun equation to work with... all the electrical power the United States uses in a year is barely enough to create a quarter kilo (about half a pound) of matter. It makes the energy-based big bang theory seem even more unlikely to me.

That was a fail on my part. I was thinking E=MC2, but I just put M2, by mistake. But yes, a fun equation. Go Einstein. :D
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| March 30, 2011, 8:13 pm
Quoting Matthew Novosad
That was a fail on my part. I was thinking E=MC2, but I just put M2, by mistake. But yes, a fun equation. Go Einstein. :D

Yes, go Einstein! Special relativity is still the best-supported model for the way the universe behaves, even after over a century of advances in technology and scientific knowledge.
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| March 31, 2011, 5:49 pm
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