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i hope you tech isn't a trade secret, but i would love an explanation of your growing process.
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| July 23, 2009, 11:00 am
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Quoting Knoll grey
i hope you tech isn't a trade secret, but i would love an explanation of your growing process.

Basically all biomechanical parts of Archeogenis' mechs are cloned from the same type of stem cells.
These were found deep in the Brain Core of the original Ancient war machines from which it all started.
As you can see in the "Xenogenic Lab" a clonig pool is filled with Ancient stem cells and nanobots. They are suspended in a nutrient made of carbon, water, silicates, heavy metals and other minor stuff.
The Overseer device is in constant communication with the nanobots, which condition the cells's growth into Core Cells (crystalline, Power-generating and programmable like a data crystal), Body Cells (sturdy but flexible on the surface, regenerating), or Bionite (inhert condensed cells, extremely sturdy, flexible, but non-regenerating).
The principle making the parts connetct between them and able to move is still under study, since no gears nor muscle connections are visible near the joints.
Each cloning pool can provide a fully grown body part or brain core in one to three weeks, after that the stem cells in the pool need 3 to 10 days to regenerate.
The average BioMechs are stronger, tougher, quicker than most mechanical devices, plus they are self healing and have more autonomy, and they don't suffer EM blasts, but the cost and the slowness of the growing process doom them to remain an elite among more traditional military forces.
Not to mention the difficulty in integrating the tech necessary to control or pilot them always more vulnerable than the rest of the vehicle. (this problem was solved only in the Indra with a psychic interface).
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| July 23, 2009, 8:30 pm
i use samnite-bone analog. nearly the same strength and density as real bone. not quite durable enough for combat, so i will need to find a different substance that is compatible with my systems and methods.
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growing process for an Alpha daemonhost chariot

it works by first taking the soul (already encased in its cell) and introducing it to a sample of samnite in exactly 1 cubic inches (shape doesn't really matter, just the proportion) in a non-humid environment at precisly 37.286 degrees Fahrenheit. within a few minutes, depending on temperature accuracy and time of day, the samnite should begin to form around the soul. this is where the true growing process begins. the samnite will soon begin to form the ribcage (this is the main defining aspect for the Alpha chariot) and the spinal column. in 24-36 hours the arms and legs will be nearing completion. upon completion and the circulatory system is fully developed, a mask is given to the body (placates the soul, who seems to not enjoy being stuck in a crystalline matrix, also known as a lorestone). in extremely, extremely rare, and often deadly cases, a force of iain, takes over the soul (ejecting the soul from the lorestone, thus destroying it). once this has happened, the body will begin to alter radically, growing extra appendages, blades, etc. exposure to multiple souls (defining aspect of an Omega chariot) will also cause eratic growth cycles. the body isn't completely matured for 17 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 7 seconds. the frame is immune to electromagnetic pulses, but is still very susceptible to viruses, if a virus gets into the circulatory system it could make it to the soul before it can be cleansed and usually causes death, unless another soul can be introduced before the first becomes corrupted. this will remain a problem until i can discover a way to create an efficient immune system for them.
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| July 24, 2009, 2:15 pm
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Cool, so they're a kind of living dead machines?
When can we see them? (and when will you create the group?)
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| July 25, 2009, 11:36 pm
i have no idea, i have zero freetime this summer to build or post. most of the parts i intend to use in this are sunk in a mech and a whatchamacallit that have both been ready for posting since the beggining of summer. once summmer ends i will probably reactivate.
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| August 14, 2009, 8:00 pm
Hi, I'm actual working on a UMRC/Archeogenis Crossover, so i joined for more background information. Most i've written were inspired by Yuri's series but then i faced a problem in solving my planned story without logic hole. So i had to invent an additional part of his bio-technology.

Here's the introduction (just a propose):

The Hyper stem cells- project
Problem:
-The creation of a bio-mech body part needs much time and static xenogenic labs. They only create one programmed body part, so support of spare parts out of Maox influenced space like war zones is low.
Quoting Yuri Fassio Each cloning pool can provide a fully grown body part or brain core in one to three weeks, after that the stem cells in the pool need 3 to 10 days to regenerate.


Idea:
Quoting Yuri Fassio
The Overseer device is in constant communication with the nanobots, which condition the cells's growth into Core Cells (crystalline, Power-generating and programmable), Body Cells (sturdy but flexible on the surface, regenerating), or Bionite (inhert condensed cells, extremely sturdy, flexible, but non-regenerating).
The principle making the parts connected between them and able to move is still under study, since no gears nor muscle connections are visible near the joints.

We don't know how, but that there must be some kind of intelligent stem or core cells, who take the inner organisation of a ful bio-mech. So these unknown parts are able to create connections between different body parts and to command other cells what they have to be and how to work together like the overseer device to stem cells but constantly, so the theory.

goals:
A greater ammount of these intelligent, selfdeciding cells could be used as direct repair systems, because they would imitate every biological part of a mech and possible able to exchange damaged sections, maybe in best cases also becoming complete new body parts immediately and without complicate installations. Every mech could be repaired by movable hyper stem cell material everywhere e.g. directly in battle. In far future, this could make archeogenis mechs indestructable at whole, while the xenogenic labs only have to create hyper stem cells.

work technics:
We are not able to identify these special cells, arithmetics calculate, that only 1 of 1x10^100 billion stem cells are possible for this and technically they are not refinable. But while we can't get this little amount of special cells, we maybe found a treat to change normal ones directly into this new sort by using of radiation. So, 1 of 10 billion cells could be transformed into similar working ones during one week of treatment, we call them hyper stem cells. Of course production needs much time, effort and money at moment.

working status:
basic research.
Looking at costs, effort and mathematical facts, we only have produced about 10kg of this material, enough to support one mecha for very short time. The hyper stem cells and their real abilities were never tested, so all you've read is just optimistic theory. The project should be seen as prototype status and will need maybe many years before getting results. The only currently existing box of prototype hyper stem cells is in ownership of Dr. Adrian Lentz.
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| September 6, 2009, 5:55 pm
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Lentz has been recently fired. The new head of ArcheoGenis is my sig-fig.
I'm also working on a new XenoGenic lab design, where I could mention Hyper stems.
BUT even if those cells are responsible forthe movements, i could not use them to build or power a mech. It would be like creating a clone with muscle cells for bones, or for a brain (I know people like that).
Other than that, cell duplication speed alone would not work that way unless it's got plenty of "food".
I guess a BioMech's speed and strength could be improved by them nontheless.
Plus, I'm already working on a different line of mech regeneration, far cooler.
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| September 6, 2009, 6:20 pm
But they could help to make some lone random parts working with something different of higher biotech development? As i said, just a prototype. I could write it so, that the idea failed and they took the useless cells and find another function in this special case? And your sig-fig, well i don't have that head, and Lentz firing isn't known to my crew yet so i could use that information too.
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| September 6, 2009, 6:26 pm
so what fuel source do these bio-vehicles use?
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| September 6, 2009, 7:01 pm
I'm trying to think of a good backstory for my microbase, and a fuel refinery sounds fitting, but what fuel do we use? do 'power crystals' (aka uranium) work?
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| September 8, 2009, 10:43 pm
Good question. It's nowhere explained. I would propose the power crystal idea. Every official Lego space faction had some kind of energy crystal so that should be the main source but what did the ancient mech builders use?
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| September 9, 2009, 9:18 am
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Quoting Cody G
so what fuel source do these bio-vehicles use?

The Core Crystals (Cloned from the Ancients' Stem Cells) are periodically fed a solution of rare metals in simple salted water. Other than that, they must be charged electrically, or as an alternative they can be fitted with an environmelntal charger (like the Indra's wings) which absorbs heat and EM radiation from the surroundings.
This system was reverse engineered from the the 1st Ancient technology ever found, so it must be pretty close to the original.
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| September 9, 2009, 9:31 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
The Core Crystals (Cloned from the Ancients' Stem Cells) are periodically fed a solution of rare metals in simple salted water. Other than that, they must be charged electrically, or as an alternative they can be fitted with an environmelntal charger (like the Indra's wings) which absorbs heat and EM radiation from the surroundings.
This system was reverse engineered from the the 1st Ancient technology ever found, so it must be pretty close to the original.

makes sense. I'll incorporate that into the backstory.
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| September 9, 2009, 12:32 pm
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