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Re: Why did god allow there to be evil in this world
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God Did Not Create Evil, evil doesn't exist. Evil is a Lack of Good please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvhGeNzdRZA

You Guys have so many questions and i actually can answer almost all of them, an answer is better than No Answer like you saying God has no orgin so he doesn't exist WRONG!
God Was once like us he has a body of flesh and bone as does Jesus Christ and i know most of you believe Jesus Christ, The Holy Ghost AND God are all the same thing they are not. It says that they are One in the bible but it means they are one in purpose. The holy ghost does not have a body of flesh and bone or else it could not be with us.

God works by science, the big bang theory could maybe work but who knows only he does. He doesn't just snap his fingers and we appear, we are created in the image of god.
The Human body is so complicated, The human mind is THE final frontier and space.
Miracles are performed every day, we all have a purpose and our purpose is to become like him. And yes i believe we can become like him. The earth is the perfect distance from the sun to support life this doesn't just happen. The tempature is perfect for us, we have an atmosphere that no other planets have. He created us.

before life we were in Premortal existance with god, 1/3 of heaven went with satans plan which was to force us to do good but god wanted us to have the agency to choose whats right and wrong. Then the veil covered our memory now we are in earth, after earth there is the spirit world then judgment day. The second coming is very soon, you can look up current events and see for yourself. You can read the bible and i read the book of mormon as well as the bible.
Jesus Christ died so we could be forgiven our sins, he bled from every pore! He felt the pain of all of our sins it was so great that even god trembled but he was resurrected the 3rd day on sunday the day of rest, gods day, the sabbath.

Please feel free to ask questions i will TRY to answer them and not just say IDK
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| December 9, 2010, 12:00 am
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Quoting Phazezorz .
you said God was a man at one point (least, that's what I got from it), and I must ask the Biblical verses in which this is said...

i dont remember were it is, i remember part of it in the Doctrine in Covenants in the Book of mormon (revelations given to Joseph Smith)
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| December 9, 2010, 12:05 am
Quoting Snooperking .
i dont remember were it is, i remember part of it in the Doctrine in Covenants in the Book of mormon (revelations given to Joseph Smith)

The Book Of Mormon isn't exactly a biblical text.
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| December 9, 2010, 12:06 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
The Book Of Mormon isn't exactly a biblical text.

thats what everyone says, the bible isn't the only biblical text. The Book of Mormon is from prophets in ancient america, he didn't just have people from Isreal write them
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| December 9, 2010, 12:08 am
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Quoting Phazezorz .
Ok, so, then how did God become God?


no one knows, thats almost like asking yourself which came first the chicken or the egg. It's a hard question. Some things are meant to be known and some things are not meant to be known. He will tell us in the spirit world
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| December 9, 2010, 12:09 am
Quoting Snooperking .
thats what everyone says, the bible isn't the only biblical text. The Book of Mormon is from prophets in ancient america, he didn't just have people from Isreal write them

Other than that there never was an ancient america, the Book Of Mormon was written only around two hundred years ago. That isn't exactly ancient. Add to that the little blurb at the back of Revelations, something to the effect of "add or remove to the content of this and you're in big trouble", I think it's pretty safe to assume the Book Of Mormon isn't a biblical text.
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| December 9, 2010, 12:26 am
Quoting Snooperking .
God Did Not Create Evil, evil doesn't exist. Evil is a Lack of Good please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvhGeNzdRZA
Since all that God created is good, how come there is a lack? How come God allows a lack?

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| December 9, 2010, 12:31 am
Quoting Phazezorz .
Testing, obviously.

Testing What?

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| December 9, 2010, 12:36 am
Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
Quoting Phazezorz .
Testing, obviously.

Testing What?
If you mean testing human faith, then why would he test us if he knew we were going to fail?

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| December 9, 2010, 12:38 am
Quoting Phazezorz .
The people. Look, if I were God, I would make sure the people are worthy of entering Heaven, so I'd test them.

Let's be honest here, if you were God, there'd be a lot more smitings. I mean, the streets would be knee deep in corpses.

Not using perfect grammar? SMITE! Not doing research while arguing? SMITE! Not liking your favorite band? SMITE! Being rude to you? SMITE!
Although of course some, like that Prince guy, definitely deserve it.
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| December 9, 2010, 12:58 am
Why did God allow evil? I'll answer with my conclusion to the Book of Job:

Because he can.
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| December 9, 2010, 1:02 am
Quoting Snooperking .
thats what everyone says, the bible isn't the only biblical text. The Book of Mormon is from prophets in ancient america, he didn't just have people from Isreal write them

Prophets in ancient America?
You mean Native Americans?
There is no hint of Christianity in their entire history. Only Jewish artifacts.
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| December 9, 2010, 8:23 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Why did God allow evil? I'll answer with my conclusion to the Book of Job:

Because he can.

Nuf' said ;)
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| December 9, 2010, 3:32 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Why did God allow evil? I'll answer with my conclusion to the Book of Job:

Because he can.

Good reason. I'm still not going to believe that there 'isn't evil in the world' because there definitely is.
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| December 9, 2010, 7:46 pm
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Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
Quoting Snooperking .
God Did Not Create Evil, evil doesn't exist. Evil is a Lack of Good please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvhGeNzdRZA
Since all that God created is good, how come there is a lack? How come God allows a lack?

he wanted us to have a choice, free agency was the way god wanted it and forcing us was the way satan wanted us. But now satan tempts us to do things and to do evil. By the way 1st timothy chapter 6 "Money is the Root of all Evil" just a quote

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| December 9, 2010, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Will G.
Prophets in ancient America?
You mean Native Americans?
There is no hint of Christianity in their entire history. Only Jewish artifacts.

yeah and want to know why? because jews (lehi/nephi) came to america from god thats why there are jewish artifacts, ask yourself why did all the ancient myans (after they lost there faith and killed all the christians) why did some believe that the spanish were gods? By the way if you read the book of mormon it tell what happened to them, they finally died out from all the evil in this world they were killed.
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| December 9, 2010, 11:50 pm
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Quoting Awe's Pie
Not to start a fight...But don't Mormons change the Bible around? That's a sin. And The Book of Mormon is NOT a biblical text. God wanted it all put in one book. Not like fifty different books.

Well in the bible it clearly states that there will be no truth but the lord will do a great and marvelous work upon the children of men (the truth) Go read Isaiah 29: 13-the rest
it tells that the truth will be lost from the earth but that it will come back
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| December 9, 2010, 11:51 pm
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Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
Good reason. I'm still not going to believe that there 'isn't evil in the world' because there definitely is.

satan tempts us to do evil.
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| December 9, 2010, 11:52 pm
Quoting Awe's Pie
Sorry, but.....Are you a Moron!? There is no such thing as a spirit world! There's Heaven and Hades(I can tell you about that later.)! Only those Buddha believe in a spirit world!

Acctually , I think you didn't understand! I think he meant spiritual world of angels, demons, and souls and spirit of man. It's said in Bible- we have soul, we have spirit, demons are trying to make people sick and evil, and sometimes angels are helping us - in psalm # ?
there's about that angels are carrying us to not hurt ourselves ( I don't think it was literally), also angels came to people in Bible - Jacob, Jesus etc. Of course their home is in heaven or hell, as you said.
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| December 10, 2010, 4:42 am
Quoting Snooperking .
he wanted us to have a choice, free agency was the way god wanted it and forcing us was the way satan wanted us. But now satan tempts us to do things and to do evil. By the way 1st timothy chapter 6 "Money is the Root of all Evil" just a quote

Yes, but why would God allow the devil to do something like that.
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| December 10, 2010, 7:40 am
Quoting Thomas .
Acctually , I think you didn't understand! I think he meant spiritual world of angels, demons, and souls and spirit of man. It's said in Bible- we have soul, we have spirit, demons are trying to make people sick and evil, and sometimes angels are helping us - in psalm # ?
there's about that angels are carrying us to not hurt ourselves ( I don't think it was literally), also angels came to people in Bible - Jacob, Jesus etc. Of course their home is in heaven or hell, as you said.

I agree. There is a spiritual realm. And its not just heaven and hell, I believe it includes the dreamworld too(or at least some dreams, not most of them).
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| December 10, 2010, 7:44 am
Thanks sooooo much for continuing your debates. I'm gonna leave this group now. :(
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| December 10, 2010, 7:45 am
Quoting Snooperking .
...ask yourself why did all the ancient myans (after they lost there faith and killed all the christians) why did some believe that the spanish were gods...

Because they were invincible shiny men with metal sticks that shot flame and thunder at people. Oh, and they were giants with four legs, because they were also the first to introduce horses to the Americas as I recall.

Additionally, the Book Of Mormon is about as trustworthy as Dianetics, but I'm not going to go into that right at the moment.
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| December 10, 2010, 12:56 pm
Quoting Snooperking .
By the way 1st timothy chapter 6 "Money is the Root of all Ev!l" just a quote

The LOVE of money. Or, to be more accurate, the pursuit and love of money to the point where it exceeds that person's pursuit and love of God.

And it's actually "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
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| December 10, 2010, 1:03 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C
Quoting Snooperking .
...ask yourself why did all the ancient myans (after they lost there faith and killed all the christians) why did some believe that the spanish were gods...

Because they were invincible shiny men with metal sticks that shot flame and thunder at people. Oh, and they were giants with four legs, because they were also the first to introduce horses to the Americas as I recall.

Additionally, the Book Of Mormon is about as trustworthy as Dianetics, but I'm not going to go into that right at the moment.

Well if its not true no other religion is true either, god said the truth would be lost and would be found again. Read Isaiah 29 13-the rest
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| December 11, 2010, 12:56 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
The LOVE of money. Or, to be more accurate, the pursuit and love of money to the point where it exceeds that person's pursuit and love of God.

And it's actually "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

yeah pretty much
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| December 11, 2010, 12:57 am
If I'm not mistaken most Christian Denominations consider Mormons to be a enormous cult, not even a Christian Denomination.


But just for the sake of keeping things in perspective,

If Genesis 1:1 is to be believed,

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." than I ask this

If you say God was a man, where did he exist if there was no Earth.

and take in John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." (NKJV) then...

well I'll let you guys fill the blanks in

"Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[a]

who was, and is, and is to come.”
"-Revelation 4:8 (NIV 2010)

If all scriptures must be canon with each other than anything stating something contrary to scriptures is....

Also, In response to the topic,

Using the above verses we know everything created was created by God and nothing, not even the absence of order and structure, is allowed to exist if it wasn't for God creating it as such.... so why is there evil?

I don't have time tonight for references, but I encourage everyone to look this up.

Evil exists because God wanted people who would desire Him and not other things. You can't have a choice if there is no other choice to choose.

Now one goes, "But what about the verse..." "and those He did foreknow, He also did predestinate..." (memorized, don't remember the reference and don't have time for google search)

Well everything needs to be taken in context of the whole, "so that no man can boost" Romans I believe.

God, being omniscient, means that He knows all. If He knows ALL then He know what will happen, what has happened, and what is happening. In order to know ALL He has to know ALL, otherwise the statement is false.

If he knows all, then he knows who will choose Him under each different circumstances. I would propose that by knowing this, He calls us so that we can't even boost to non-believers saying "I choose and you didn't nany nany..." ect... Why? Because we were chosen we can't sat that if we weren't we would have necessarily chosen Him. But we did, but we can't boost about it because He called us first, knowing who would heed the call. So is predestined based on free choice.

I would propose that Free Choice and Predestination are not mutually exclusive and exist at the same time when viewed from the multi-dimensionality of Earthly realm and Spiritual Realm, both of which were created by God meaning that He exists independently outside of these constructs but works and resides in said constructs and both constructs are dependent upon Him.

And this all to propose that evil is here only because it is needed for us to have a choice B.

And that what matters in this life is to do God's will, as seen as the conclusion of Ecclesiastes.

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| December 12, 2010, 2:33 am
Quoting Fell Skyhawk
If you say God was a man, where did he exist if there was no Earth.



He was just there.
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| December 12, 2010, 5:25 am
Quoting Phazezorz .
you said God was a man at one point (least, that's what I got from it), and I must ask the Biblical verses in which this is said...


its a test or it wasting spose to be this thank to adam and even >:( god also use to strike people down but now he doesnt
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| December 13, 2010, 8:08 am
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Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
Quoting Phazezorz .
Testing, obviously.

Testing What?

we dont exactly know anything compared to god.

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