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What do you think of this new pope we have: Pope Benedict XVI? And also, compare him to the last one: the great Pope John Paul II...
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| December 15, 2009, 7:20 am
Hmmm.. I'm not catolic, but I belong to Pentecostal Church and I'm christian. I don't think so everybody CFOL's are catolic. I'll not
write anything about pope, beacuse I'm not catolic.
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| December 15, 2009, 9:32 am
But I'm polish and John Paul II was great man, but nothing else. People want to do him "Holy" and then they may pray to him. I don't think so
praying to men is good.
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| December 15, 2009, 9:37 am
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Quoting Tomash Viontsek
But I'm polish and John Paul II was great man, but nothing else. People want to do him "Holy" and then they may pray to him. I don't think so
praying to men is good.

we dont pray to him. we ask him to pray for us. we also ask for the Blessed Virgin Mary and the saints to pray for us. there is nothing weird its just a prayer request.
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| December 15, 2009, 2:05 pm
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Quoting James Theodore
What do you think of this new pope we have: Pope Benedict XVI? And also, compare him to the last one: the great Pope John Paul II...

not a catholic...

i loved the last pope though...he forgave the man who tried to kill him!
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| December 15, 2009, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Tomash Viontsek
But I'm polish and John Paul II was great man, but nothing else. People want to do him "Holy" and then they may pray to him. I don't think so
praying to men is good.

Ay! another petacostal! British, and think there are too many americans on this site. We need more europeans.
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| December 17, 2009, 5:00 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
we dont pray to him. we ask him to pray for us. we also ask for the Blessed Virgin Mary and the saints to pray for us. there is nothing weird its just a prayer request.

Tis a bit..
Pray to God for help, which is asking for help, so you are praying to the saints to pray for you. Cut out the middle man already! This is what is killing relationships with God!
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| December 17, 2009, 5:02 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
not a catholic...

i loved the last pope though...he forgave the man who tried to kill him!

So would any good christian to be honest. Ill tell you whats difficult to forgive: the murderer of your kid.
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| December 17, 2009, 5:05 pm
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Quoting ArkAngel 7777
So would any good christian to be honest. Ill tell you whats difficult to forgive: the murderer of your kid.

how would u know?

i know one guy who did that...and another who did the exact opposite. it all depends on your morals really

oh and besides the point...which part of britannia u come from?

im welsh
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| December 17, 2009, 5:24 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
how would u know?

i know one guy who did that...and another who did the exact opposite. it all depends on your morals really

oh and besides the point...which part of britannia u come from?

im welsh

I wouldn't,
Good for that guy, bad for the other,
English, and its currently snowing, so no school for me tomorrow!
w00t!
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| December 17, 2009, 5:27 pm
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Quoting ArkAngel 7777
I wouldn't,
Good for that guy, bad for the other,
English, and its currently snowing, so no school for me tomorrow!
w00t!

grt
theres snow on the mountains
i got final day of skul tommorow
tenerife on tuesday
teachers r hasling me for 6th form choices in feburary
and i have to leave may for gcse's(whimper)

oh and final question...what part of England?
oh and if you are in the fourth form, its all downhill from there lol
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| December 17, 2009, 5:31 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
grt
theres snow on the mountains
i got final day of skul tommorow
tenerife on tuesday
teachers r hasling me for 6th form choices in feburary
and i have to leave may for gcse's(whimper)

oh and final question...what part of manchester?
oh and if you are in the fourth form, its all downhill from there lol

Fun news...

Not Manchester, but I can see where you got that from.

Actually, its Essex! ESSEX! I can't remember a year that Its snowed before February! White Christmas! NICE!

What kinda choices?
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| December 17, 2009, 5:37 pm
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g2g, cya 2morro!
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| December 17, 2009, 5:37 pm
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Quoting ArkAngel 7777
Fun news...

Not Manchester, but I can see where you got that from.

Actually, its Essex! ESSEX! I can't remember a year that Its snowed before February! White Christmas! NICE!

What kinda choices?

yeah soz mum talked about my aunt and i wrote down manchester by mistake lol

nice got a mate tha' lives there

subject choices
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| December 17, 2009, 5:40 pm
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Quoting ArkAngel 7777
Tis a bit..
Pray to God for help, which is asking for help, so you are praying to the saints to pray for you. Cut out the middle man already! This is what is killing relationships with God!

The idea is that we are not worthy to pray to him but those in the Communion of Saints are. They are closer to God than I am.
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| December 17, 2009, 5:42 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
The idea is that we are not worthy to pray to him but those in the Communion of Saints are. They are closer to God than I am.

because of a little prayer john?
well i guess its your opinion and u hv a right to it i guess, but in mine he is closest to god is the one who truly belives through their own way
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| December 17, 2009, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
because of a little prayer john?
well i guess its your opinion and u hv a right to it i guess, but in mine he is closest to god is the one who truly belives through their own way

I completely respect that. But there is a lot of power in prayer.
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| December 17, 2009, 5:46 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
I completely respect that. But there is a lot of power in prayer.

yes it does seem to help when the day is at its darkest...

but i believe physical connections are better than spiritual
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| December 17, 2009, 5:47 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
The idea is that we are not worthy to pray to him but those in the Communion of Saints are. They are closer to God than I am.

What makes these men closer to God than you are, in your opinion? It seems to me that if you are forced to pray through someone, you are exalting an ordinary man, when the only one you should exalt is God. I wouldn't think that God would demand that kind of ceremony, but I don't quite understand how Catholics view it. (I'm an LCMS Lutheran)
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| December 17, 2009, 7:03 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
What makes these men closer to God than you are, in your opinion? It seems to me that if you are forced to pray through someone, you are exalting an ordinary man, when the only one you should exalt is God. I wouldn't think that God would demand that kind of ceremony, but I don't quite understand how Catholics view it. (I'm an LCMS Lutheran)
I am in no way forced to ask intercession from them. Its no different than you asking someone to pray for you. And by the way I think that the Blessed Virgin Mary is closer to Jesus than me.

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| December 17, 2009, 7:07 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
What makes these men closer to God than you are, in your opinion? It seems to me that if you are forced to pray through someone, you are exalting an ordinary man, when the only one you should exalt is God. I wouldn't think that God would demand that kind of ceremony, but I don't quite understand how Catholics view it. (I'm an LCMS Lutheran)
I am in no way forced to ask intercession from them. Its no different than you asking someone to pray for you. And by the way I think that the Blessed Virgin Mary is closer to Jesus than me.

In what way? Sure, she gave birth to him. But does that make her any less of a sinner? We're all equals in that regard (except Christ).

So, you would say that you may pray directly to God, but praying through the saints is a choice?
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| December 18, 2009, 12:29 am
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
What makes these men closer to God than you are, in your opinion? It seems to me that if you are forced to pray through someone, you are exalting an ordinary man, when the only one you should exalt is God. I wouldn't think that God would demand that kind of ceremony, but I don't quite understand how Catholics view it. (I'm an LCMS Lutheran)
I am in no way forced to ask intercession from them. Its no different than you asking someone to pray for you. And by the way I think that the Blessed Virgin Mary is closer to Jesus than me.

I think that the bible siad that all men were equal actually, so we are just as close.
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| December 18, 2009, 8:20 am
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
In what way? Sure, she gave birth to him. But does that make her any less of a sinner? We're all equals in that regard (except Christ).

So, you would say that you may pray directly to God, but praying through the saints is a choice?

first of all Mary is sinless and sure you should pray directly to God but i think that having saints praying for me too is great!
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| December 18, 2009, 5:01 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
first of all Mary is sinless and sure you should pray directly to God but i think that having saints praying for me too is great!

No. Only Jesus was sinless. We don't worship Mary do we?
And every christian is a saint. You don't pray when your dead either. Your already in heaven(hopefully) so what more do you need to pray about?
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| December 18, 2009, 5:11 pm
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Quoting ArkAngel 7777
No. Only Jesus was sinless. We don't worship Mary do we?
And every christian is a saint. You don't pray when your dead either. Your already in heaven(hopefully) so what more do you need to pray about?

first of all it depends on whether you are Roman Catholic or not on Mary being sinless and you dont go straight to heaven you go to purgatory to be cleansed and people pray for you to leave purgatory and go to heaven
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| December 18, 2009, 9:26 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
first of all it depends on whether you are Roman Catholic or not on Mary being sinless and you dont go straight to heaven you go to purgatory to be cleansed and people pray for you to leave purgatory and go to heaven

I'm not going to even open the 'can of worms' of purgatory. However, only God can be sinless, so that means you are elevating Mary to the status of God. I would say that she had great faith, but is no more divine than any of us.

...actually, I've changed my mind about purgatory. The Bible says "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." But if you need people to pray for you to get out of purgatory, then that relies on another's faith and not your own. Would God really depend your salvation upon whether your acquaintances have faith?
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| December 19, 2009, 12:17 pm
Stay in topic please...
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| December 19, 2009, 3:41 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
I'm not going to even open the 'can of worms' of purgatory. However, only God can be sinless, so that means you are elevating Mary to the status of God. I would say that she had great faith, but is no more divine than any of us.

...actually, I've changed my mind about purgatory. The Bible says "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." But if you need people to pray for you to get out of purgatory, then that relies on another's faith and not your own. Would God really depend your salvation upon whether your acquaintances have faith?

once again a matter of denominational difference i can plainly see that you are grounded in your beliefs as i am. we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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| December 19, 2009, 7:48 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
first of all Mary is sinless and sure you should pray directly to God but i think that having saints praying for me too is great!


now how do you figure that?
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| December 19, 2009, 11:01 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
once again a matter of denominational difference i can plainly see that you are grounded in your beliefs as i am. we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I'm asking for the sake of trying to understand what you believe. I'd love to hear a Catholic's explanation of purgatory, despite the fact that I don't believe in it.
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| December 20, 2009, 1:28 am
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I'm asking for the sake of trying to understand what you believe. I'd love to hear a Catholic's explanation of purgatory, despite the fact that I don't believe in it.

okay purgatory is where christians go to get cleansed of their sins before going into heaven.
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| December 20, 2009, 11:32 am
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
okay purgatory is where christians go to get cleansed of their sins before going into heaven.

How are they cleansed?
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| December 20, 2009, 11:34 am
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Quoting Rusty S.
How are they cleansed?

its similar to baptism in that you are washed of sins before you can see God something that you cant do in purgatory
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| December 20, 2009, 12:07 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
its similar to baptism in that you are washed of sins before you can see God something that you cant do in purgatory

Is it like a ceremony? Performed by whom? And what determines the length of the wait?
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| December 20, 2009, 7:02 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Is it like a ceremony? Performed by whom? And what determines the length of the wait?

its like a ceremony but its more of a place where Jesus cleans you of sins length of time is determined by how many sins you commit in life
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| December 20, 2009, 7:21 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
its like a ceremony but its more of a place where Jesus cleans you of sins length of time is determined by how many sins you commit in life


wheres that in the Bible?
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| December 21, 2009, 3:15 pm
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| December 22, 2009, 8:26 pm
Quoting James Theodore
What do you think of this new pope we have: Pope Benedict XVI? And also, compare him to the last one: the great Pope John Paul II...


Well, considering that the Pope is NOT God, I couldn't care less about him.
The same goes for Mary, why do Catholics "put her" on a higher power than Jesus? All she did was give birth to him.
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| December 23, 2009, 12:51 pm
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Thats a good point. What are the grounds for these beliefs? Cause I havent seen anything about that in the Bible. If you can come up with a reference, then Ill respect it.

"FROM THE BIBLE"
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| December 23, 2009, 1:09 pm
I personally respect all these opinions, though they differ from my own. It seems many of the people here can quickly become argumentative, but I'd like to point out that I merely ask questions so as to get a better view of what others believe; my goal is not to attack another's beliefs, but to learn.
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| December 23, 2009, 4:24 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
I personally respect all these opinions, though they differ from my own. It seems many of the people here can quickly become argumentative, but I'd like to point out that I merely ask questions so as to get a better view of what others believe; my goal is not to attack another's beliefs, but to learn.

Well, how are we gonna ever get people saved if we "respect their beliefs"
Did paul "respct their beliefs" in his letters to Corinth? No!

Not saying that im Paul correcting people. Im just challenging their beliefs. You can do exactly the same and I will answer gladdly.
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| December 23, 2009, 5:03 pm
Quoting ArkAngel 7777
Well, how are we gonna ever get people saved if we "respect their beliefs"
Did paul "respct their beliefs" in his letters to Corinth? No!

Not saying that im Paul correcting people. Im just challenging their beliefs. You can do exactly the same and I will answer gladdly.

Catholics believe in Christ, so they ARE saved. The minor points of theology we differ on will not send Catholics to hell; though I disagree with them, I like to ask questions so that I may understand and share my points about why I disagree. Simply being argumentative and attacking doesn't help anyone, because it simply gets everyone angry or frustrated.
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| December 23, 2009, 9:26 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Pepper
Catholics believe in Christ, so they ARE saved. The minor points of theology we differ on will not send Catholics to hell; though I disagree with them, I like to ask questions so that I may understand and share my points about why I disagree. Simply being argumentative and attacking doesn't help anyone, because it simply gets everyone angry or frustrated.

I didnt say they weren't saved, I said it can put people off of christianity. And I said I was testing their beliefs. If it makes them angry, then something is wrong there. Seriously, ask me any questions about my beliefs. I find no fault.
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| December 24, 2009, 9:47 am
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