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If I am right, you lock the alien topics because it is simply a guess. Come on, why not just have a friendly debate on the subject instead of the threads being locked?
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| September 27, 2009, 2:52 pm
Maybe it's a topic that he feels shouldn't be disscussed. That's just my guess though, so I guess you should wait untill he responds.
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| September 27, 2009, 3:32 pm
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Aliens are used to attempt and qualify the big bang as a theory. If we are here on earth by chance, then according to the big bang there is an equal if not greater chance of life somewhere else. Without aliens we suddenly become special as a species, instead of a something that happens to be more evolved due to chance. That is why it is important, because we are God's special creation, and that is why I don't want alien topics here.
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| September 27, 2009, 5:03 pm
So do you not believe in Evolution?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the Big Bang, or created life afterward?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the big bang but did nothing afterward in the way of creating life?

Just FYI, the Bible has been edited by hundreds of canonization counsels over the thousands of years. Information has been removed, added, and censored. Think for yourself. Don't let scripture think for you.
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| September 27, 2009, 5:41 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
So do you not believe in Evolution?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the Big Bang, or created life afterward?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the big bang but did nothing afterward in the way of creating life?

Just FYI, the Bible has been edited by hundreds of canonization counsels over the thousands of years. Information has been removed, added, and censored. Think for yourself. Don't let scripture think for you.


The Bible is God's Word. If your telling us to not let the scriptures think for us, your basicly saying that you don't want God to speak for us. I hope you mean to say something else.
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| September 27, 2009, 6:12 pm
God didn't give you the ability of to think for yourself just so you could throw that ability away and believe everything you're told. I doubt you follow the 10 commandments to the dot. The Bible is for each individuals interpretation so that you may live your life in a way that fits your beliefs, not an editor's beliefs.
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| September 27, 2009, 6:21 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
God didn't give you the ability of to think for yourself just so you could throw that ability away and believe everything you're told. I doubt you follow the 10 commandments to the dot. The Bible is for each individuals interpretation so that you may live your life in a way that fits your beliefs, not an editor's beliefs.

1-The only changes in Scripture have been due to language translation, not some editor who decides what goes in the Bible.
2-We DON'T follow the 10 Commandments to the dot. That's the whole reason Christ was forced to sacrifice himself for us. Just because we believe we should follow God's law doesn't mean it's possible for sinful humans like us.
3-We SHOULD believe whatever the Bible tells us. That's why they call it 'faith'. Clearly, you don't have any.
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| September 27, 2009, 6:41 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

I beg to differ. The Bible once had many scriptures about the equality of women that were removed after the time of St. Paul by power hungry men.

And you're right. I have no faith. I'm a self-proclaimed atheist. Both of my parents are christian and I was brought up as a christian, but I interpreted the texts for myself. I respect your right to decide, and am not going to denounce you for your beliefs, as long as you show intelligent thought.

If you believe in blind following, then you are no better than the Muslims that this group denounces and stereotypes in another thread.
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| September 27, 2009, 6:51 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

I beg to differ. The Bible once had many scriptures about the equality of women that were removed after the time of St. Paul by power hungry men.

And you're right. I have no faith. I'm a self-proclaimed atheist. Both of my parents are christian and I was brought up as a christian, but I interpreted the texts for myself. I respect your right to decide, and am not going to denounce you for your beliefs, as long as you show intelligent thought.

If you believe in blind following, then you are no better than the Muslims that this group denounces and stereotypes in another thread.


A part of me wants everyone who isn't Christian to be banned from this group, and another is saying that they provide interesting opinions.....now which one is which?
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| September 27, 2009, 7:25 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

I beg to differ. The Bible once had many scriptures about the equality of women that were removed after the time of St. Paul by power hungry men.

And you're right. I have no faith. I'm a self-proclaimed atheist. Both of my parents are christian and I was brought up as a christian, but I interpreted the texts for myself. I respect your right to decide, and am not going to denounce you for your beliefs, as long as you show intelligent thought.

If you believe in blind following, then you are no better than the Muslims that this group denounces and stereotypes in another thread.

Really? You're using wikipedia to justify your arguments? Come on.
I have nothing against atheists. Or Muslims. I don't accuse them of anything, because their right to believe in their religion is the same as any Christian's. Just tell me what it is you believe (or whatever you want to call it). I'm curious.
I knew about the Apocrypha, but never really quite understood it. I'm gong to have to do some research.
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| September 27, 2009, 7:55 pm
Quoting High Admiral Marcus

A part of me wants everyone who isn't Christian to be banned from this group, and another is saying that they provide interesting opinions.....now which one is which?

I'm happy to have them here. I like having their arguments thrown at me, so I know how to answer them in the future. Plus it makes for some exciting debates.
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| September 27, 2009, 8:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Dean
So do you not believe in Evolution?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the Big Bang, or created life afterward?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the big bang but did nothing afterward in the way of creating life?

Just FYI, the Bible has been edited by hundreds of canonization counsels over the thousands of years. Information has been removed, added, and censored. Think for yourself. Don't let scripture think for you.

So you believe evolution is feasible?

no, big bang requires death through evolution, there wasn't death till the fall of Adam and Eve. Therefore evolution couldn't take place, meaning God didn't use the big bang.

FYI I'm insulted, you think I'm a blind follower. Also, you, confessing to be an atheist, clearly have unassailable knowledge in this area. I honestly don't pay any attention to what you atheists say about God. I *Have* read the scriptures for myself and I *Did* think for my own, no one forced me to believe what I believe.

And the Bible says not one jot shall be changed or removed from God's word so that kinda takes out that point.

I also don't get how you say your an atheist yet you keep referencing an "omnipotent being". What's up with that, you clearly don't believe in such a thing.
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| September 27, 2009, 8:12 pm
Quoting Thomas Lockwood
So you believe evolution is feasible?

no, big bang requires death through evolution, there wasn't death till the fall of Adam and Eve. Therefore evolution couldn't take place, meaning God didn't use the big bang.

FYI I'm insulted, you think I'm a blind follower. Also, you, confessing to be an atheist, clearly have unassailable knowledge in this area. I honestly don't pay any attention to what you atheists say about God. I *Have* read the scriptures for myself and I *Did* think for my own, no one forced me to believe what I believe.

And the Bible says not one jot shall be changed or removed from God's word so that kinda takes out that point.

I also don't get how you say your an atheist yet you keep referencing an "omnipotent being". What's up with that, you clearly don't believe in such a thing.

Thank you, Thomas.
I think when Nick refers to an omnipotent being, he doesn't actually believe in one. He's just throwing out the possibility. He's saying that IF God exists, he could have used evolution as his manner of creation. Am I right, Nick?
I don't personally agree with him, but it is an interesting point.
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| September 27, 2009, 8:17 pm
^ You're correct.

I used wikipedia because it was the fastest and most reliable source, would you prefer I linked to a biased website?

I'm just raising the point that just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's true or should be followed to the letter. Just because I have decided for myself that I don't believe in an omnipotent power, doesn't mean I can't debate the subject.

Thomas Lockwood, I'm not quite sure what on earth you're talking about as none of the things you say match up or have anything to do with each other. Can you please make a valid argument if you're going to contribute.
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| September 27, 2009, 9:05 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
^ You're correct.

I used wikipedia because it was the fastest and most reliable source, would you prefer I linked to a biased website?

I'm just raising the point that just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's true or should be followed to the letter. Just because I have decided for myself that I don't believe in an omnipotent power, doesn't mean I can't debate the subject.

Thomas Lockwood, I'm not quite sure what on earth you're talking about as none of the things you say match up or have anything to do with each other. Can you please make a valid argument if you're going to contribute.

Can I have an example of something in the Bible that can be proven UNtrue? Not just "that's impossible", something that actually contradicts history or fact.
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| September 27, 2009, 10:56 pm
Well I could talk about a number of things, including archaeological discoveries of human ancestral species, clearly pointing out that Adam and Eve never occurred, or astronomical discoveries like how the universe is expanding at a constant rate and the effects of gravity, which then together prove the Big Bang theory without reasonable doubt. Chances are though, you're going to rebut anything I say. The church has been proven wrong thousands of times in the past. Think Galileo, Copernicus, Columbus, Einstein... the list goes on.
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| September 27, 2009, 11:01 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
Well I could talk about a number of things, including archaeological discoveries of human ancestral species, clearly pointing out that Adam and Eve never occurred, or astronomical discoveries like how the universe is expanding at a constant rate and the effects of gravity, which then together prove the Big Bang theory without reasonable doubt. Chances are though, you're going to rebut anything I say. The church has been proven wrong thousands of times in the past. Think Galileo, Copernicus, Columbus, Einstein... the list goes on.

Sure, the church was proved wrong about scientific discoveries (like the location of the center of the universe), but about theology they seem to be pretty consistent.
Isn't the rebuttal the whole point, though?
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| September 27, 2009, 11:04 pm
And, just so I know, how does the expanding universe prove the Big Bang Theory?
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| September 27, 2009, 11:07 pm
Well anything I say you'll rebut, I can prove you wrong all I want but you'll just hold on to your precious bible.

The fact that the earth isn't the center of the solar system disproved the church because part of their theological teachings were that because we were god's creation, the most important thing in the cosmos, and therefore at it's center.

The discoveries in the Great Rift Valley and beyond completely disprove any of the teachings of Genesis and the theological reasonings behind the creation of humanity.
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| September 27, 2009, 11:08 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
Well anything I say you'll rebut, I can prove you wrong all I want but you'll just hold on to your precious bible.

The fact that the earth isn't the center of the solar system disproved the church because part of their theological teachings were that because we were god's creation, the most important thing in the cosmos, and therefore at it's center.

The discoveries in the Great Rift Valley and beyond completely disprove any of the teachings of Genesis and the theological reasonings behind the creation of humanity.

You'll need to be a little more specific.
And scientific evidence can end up wrong, too. Remember brontosaurus?
Just because our location in the universe has changed doesn't mean we aren't created in God's image. Nobody's found any other 'intelligent life' anywhere, have they?
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| September 27, 2009, 11:13 pm
Also, I know we're arguing, but take a look at my piano, I'm rather proud of it: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/122376
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| September 27, 2009, 11:15 pm
The expanding universe means that all matter that exists must have originated from an original point, where gravity had gathered gas and other primordial elements into a highly dense and volatile cloud, before an explosion caused it to be spread into an ever expanding form. For example, if you were to blow up a very strong balloon, it would resist you until the pressure of the air you were pushing into it overcame it's resistance, it would then expand.

The universe is larger than you can comprehend, and our technology barely extends our sphere of influence beyond our solar system. Just because the Hubble hasn't found the Death Star, doesn't mean there's nothing else out there.

As for being made in god's image, I have yet to see his facebook profile picture. How do we even know what he looks like? God made rats, how do we know he's not a rat?
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| September 27, 2009, 11:16 pm
Also, the only issue with the Brontosaurus was an issue of classification. There were no catastrophic reverberations throughout the scientific community with it's genus was re-categorized.
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| September 27, 2009, 11:18 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
Also, the only issue with the Brontosaurus was an issue of classification. There were no catastrophic reverberations throughout the scientific community with it's genus was re-categorized.

Wrong, brontosaurus was actually found to be an apatosaurus with the head of a camarasaurus.
By 'in God's image', I mean humans are beings with a sense of ethics. Rats just spread diseases without thought of right or wrong, while humans have an innate conscience. (because God wrote his law on his people's hearts)
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| September 27, 2009, 11:56 pm
Wait... since the universe is expanding, that means it all began at a single point? Is there a step in between that I'm missing?
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| September 28, 2009, 12:04 am
One mis-classification doesn't disprove science as a whole.

And you obviously have yet to take any sort of physical or biological science.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:09 am
Quoting Nick Dean
One mis-classification doesn't disprove science as a whole.

And you obviously have yet to take any sort of physical or biological science.

Yeah, I skipped physical science and went straight to bio. And I never said it disproved science, I just said it proves science can make mistakes.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:14 am
It's pretty clear that the discovery of fossilized remains of human ancestral species or the physics behind the expansion of the universe aren't mistakes at this point. Classification and actual scientific inquiry are much different. Classification often occurs in the field and at the time of the discovery of the brontosaurus in the 1800's, it was a pretty corrupt and nonchalant system. The math behind the physics of the expanding universe and the genetic testing used in linking our genome with our ancestors is far from wrong with the advances we have made over the past century.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:20 am
Quoting Nick Dean
It's pretty clear that the discovery of fossilized remains of human ancestral species or the physics behind the expansion of the universe aren't mistakes at this point. Classification and actual scientific inquiry are much different. Classification often occurs in the field and at the time of the discovery of the brontosaurus in the 1800's, it was a pretty corrupt and nonchalant system. The math behind the physics of the expanding universe and the genetic testing used in linking our genome with our ancestors is far from wrong with the advances we have made over the past century.

To be honest, I can't prove you wrong. I don't know anything about the new discoveries of human genomes or whatever. But in my experience, neither do the people who throw the gene card. I've heard sources that say we share 98% of our genes with monkeys, but I've heard others say we share over 70% with bananas. I don't know what to believe in this area.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:26 am
I'm not denying the universe is expanding, but that doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that it started with gases exploding at a single point and erupting into living matter. And even if it did, it doesn't prove that God didn't design it all.

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| September 28, 2009, 12:28 am
And I forgot to mention this a while back, but you never answered my original question. Can you find any proof against what the BIBLE says. Not the Church, the Bible. Because the Church is run by men, and men can make mistakes. But the Bible was written by God, and he doesn't.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:30 am
Human DNA is composed of four Nucleic Acids, Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine, and Thymine. Guanine binds with Cytosine, and Thymine bonds with Adenine. If you were to map the human genome, all of the acids that make up a strand of DNA, it would be written as a serious of G, C, A, or T. (Ex. GATCACCATT) Each triplet of acids codes for a specific protein that are present in most organic material. These proteins make up everything in the body, from cells to bone. If you were to compare the entired human genome (which has been mapped) to that of a banana (also mapped), we would share many of the same basic proteins. To share 98% of your genome with another species of the same family means you're constructed pretty closely, and are clearly related.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:37 am
If god doesn't make mistakes, explain cancer and genetic disease. And I did answer your question. Science has proved Genesis incorrect. Eve was not made from Adams rib, as he would not have had the chromosomes to make a compatible female clone. There is no archaeological evidence of Eden. The Universe was not created in a series of days, but one large explosion resulting from a mass of primordial material breaking the bonds of gravity.


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| September 28, 2009, 12:41 am
As for the Watchmaker's theory that an omnipotent being created the big bang, then retired from the scene; I cannot argue with this. Although I am an atheist, this is the most agreeable situation I could believe in.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:45 am
Quoting Nick Dean
Human DNA is composed of four Nucleic Acids, Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine, and Thymine. Guanine binds with Cytosine, and Thymine bonds with Adenine. If you were to map the human genome, all of the acids that make up a strand of DNA, it would be written as a serious of G, C, A, or T. (Ex. GATCACCATT) Each triplet of acids codes for a specific protein that are present in most organic material. These proteins make up everything in the body, from cells to bone. If you were to compare the entired human genome (which has been mapped) to that of a banana (also mapped), we would share many of the same basic proteins. To share 98% of your genome with another species of the same family means you're constructed pretty closely, and are clearly related.

Well, I knew THAT much.
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| September 28, 2009, 1:01 am
Quoting Nick Dean
If god doesn't make mistakes, explain cancer and genetic disease. And I did answer your question. Science has proved Genesis incorrect. Eve was not made from Adams rib, as he would not have had the chromosomes to make a compatible female clone. There is no archaeological evidence of Eden. The Universe was not created in a series of days, but one large explosion resulting from a mass of primordial material breaking the bonds of gravity.


First of all, nobody ever said he made a female clone. Second, in Genesis, God barred mankind from Eden. Third, days could be metaphorical (the Greek word actually is the same for day and age), though I personally do not believe this theory. Fourth, where does this 'primordial matter' come from which all of the sudden becomes living tissue? If you say from gases, where did THEY come from?
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| September 28, 2009, 1:05 am
Quoting Ben or Noah Frankilin
Cancer, disease, deformities, and death are all results of sin and the Devil entering the world.

START LOOKING!!!!! by now their bodie sare nothing but dust!there long gone(where talking the first humans!!!)
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| September 28, 2009, 8:03 am
The "primordial" matter comes from a time ridiculously long ago. Just because we cannot comprehend a time before our existence, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And it didn't suddenly become living tissue. It took eons for the universe to create all the stars, planets, galaxies, and other physical occupants of the universe. Only after this process was complete in our system, and the formation of Earth and the Moon were complete, could a stable enough atmosphere form within the gasses collected by Earth's gravitational pull for an ocean of basic elements to form. Scientists believe that a shock of lightening or some sort of induction caused amino acids to form, the building blocks of life. Amino acids bound together by chance to form proteins, and from there could go on to become very basic cells.

Ben, please actually know what you're talking about before contributing. Scientists aren't giving up on Evolution. T-rex fossils didn't change because evolution takes millions of years. If a fossil changed, then it would be reclassified, which there are examples of.

Broadside, if Eve were from Adams rib, the human race would all have downs syndrome or another disease of the like. There's a reason they tell you to not knock up your sister.

Cancer is not a living thing. Cancer is caused when a genetic mistake, like a coding error during DNA transcription or replication causes the cell to be unable to control it's reproductive processes, and it begins to replicate rapidly. It's the same with diseases and deformities, they're mistakes made in genetic coding.

And yes, I do have faith in science, because it has proven more truthful than a religion where those who claim to be speaking the word of god have been incorrect for centuries. I've proven both the bible and the church wrong, but like I predicted earlier, you're not listening and are instead ignoring what I have to say.

The least you guys could do is show you're not ignorant to the world around you.
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| September 28, 2009, 9:05 am
This is to clear things up a bit.

Aliens is a bit ridiculous yeah.
Evolotion was taken a bit far and is very overboard now.
When darwin started out... he was sort of right. He said that it was possible that the different types of finches where all from one original finch. One was born with a mutation and it was a mutation that helped... so it lived long.. and it had offsrping who carried off the same feature... and everytime a new mutation that helped came along it was carried on to the next generation... and lets say a certain finch had a curved long beak, and the ither hada short straight one... they both have offspring. Producing DIFFERENT species. NO!! im not an evolutionist. HUMANS DID NOT COME FROM APES! There are so many structural differences it would take more than billions of years for THAT to happen. LOL! we lose a bunch of hair, change our leg structure somhow... and have major skull strucuture differences? wow. a bit far fetched... finches will change... and some humans will look slightly different in different regions where different mutations are happening... yes... but apes? i think not! the big bang and aliens? i think not!
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| September 28, 2009, 9:21 am
Quoting Nick Dean
If god doesn't make mistakes, explain cancer and genetic disease.

Well... cancer, And genitic disease are all just to represent that we are sinners. That's why we are on earth and one day if you make it to heaven there won't be flaws like that. It's all just the way of life. It's to show that we are sinners but god still loves us anyway.

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| September 28, 2009, 10:07 am
Evolution takes millions of years. If you trace back the human fossil record, there are slight skeletal differences over thousands of years. Take multiple skeletal remains and line them up chronologically, and then compare them to ape species of the time, it's clearly evident that we came from apes. This is supported by the 98% match in our genomes.


So someone who led a perfectly sinless life gets cancer, and they're supposed to repent for the rest of the population? That's inhumane. I hope there's no god that does that.
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| September 28, 2009, 10:26 am
And Tom, prove it.
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| September 28, 2009, 10:26 am
God doesn't give people cancer as a punishment. He gives it to people as part of his plan, to strengthen the faith of either the victim or those around him. It's a shame that it has to happen sometimes, but sometimes it's for the better in the grand scheme of things.
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| September 28, 2009, 10:44 am
Quoting Nick Dean
I've proven both the bible and the church wrong, but like I predicted earlier, you're not listening and are instead ignoring what I have to say.

The least you guys could do is show you're not ignorant to the world around you.

We DO listen to what you say. We just either have different explanations for the things you bring up. We know about the world around us, but many of the arguments you present are not backed up by proof.
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| September 28, 2009, 10:47 am
Quoting Nick Dean
So do you not believe in Evolution?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the Big Bang, or created life afterward?

Isn't it possible that an omnipotent being caused the big bang but did nothing afterward in the way of creating life?

Just FYI, the Bible has been edited by hundreds of canonization counsels over the thousands of years. Information has been removed, added, and censored. Think for yourself. Don't let scripture think for you.

well the LORD has made sure that the BIBLE can not be modified or adding a word in any way, so that the one and only BIBLE can not be ruined.
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| September 28, 2009, 10:48 am
I'm pretty sure I could pay an editor enough to modify a bible to say Jesus was a velociraptor.
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| September 28, 2009, 11:47 am
Quoting Sergeant Pepper
We DO listen to what you say. We just either have different explanations for the things you bring up. We know about the world around us, but many of the arguments you present are not backed up by proof.

Did you get your name from the album sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band ?
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| September 28, 2009, 11:53 am
Quoting Nick Dean
I'm pretty sure I could pay an editor enough to modify a bible to say Jesus was a velociraptor.


Okay Nick, you know what you are saying in some cases, we get that. But you are obviously wrong in a TON of instances. If you are getting your info from wikipedia, then you a pretty mush believing everything one person believes. You talk about it not being 'biased' yet it is basesd on what a few people believe. I could go to wiki right now and enter or remove info if I wanted to. So wiki is a horrible example for getting your'facts'. So don't 'act' like you know everything, you don't. So if you don't like the group or just intend to be a pain, my advice is to make your own group.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:36 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
I'm pretty sure I could pay an editor enough to modify a bible to say Jesus was a velociraptor.


Then it wouldn't be a 'true' bible. It wouldn't be a bible at all.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:42 pm
You wouldn't know any different.
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| September 28, 2009, 12:55 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
You wouldn't know any different.


Yes we would, WE don't get our info from wikipedia. What? Ran out of stuff to say? Seriously, go make your own group.
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| September 28, 2009, 1:09 pm
No. You wouldn't. You would have nothing to compare it to. For all you would know, Jesus was a velociraptor.

Your faith is blinding you from Logic. Not science. Logic.
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| September 28, 2009, 1:12 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
No. You wouldn't. You would have nothing to compare it to. For all you would know, Jesus was a velociraptor.

Your faith is blinding you from Logic. Not science. Logic.


Scientics compare their theories against our beleifs and many times they too become christian, same with idealists. What's with you and big words? Can you please say stuff normal people use? You are beginning to annoy.

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| September 28, 2009, 2:07 pm
Quoting Cole Fynn
Did you get your name from the album sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band ?

Yes indeed. The Beatles are awesome!
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| September 28, 2009, 3:37 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
I'm pretty sure I could pay an editor enough to modify a bible to say Jesus was a velociraptor.

Nobody would publish that.
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| September 28, 2009, 3:38 pm
You can publish anything these days with enough money.

And if you can't understand my "big words" maybe you're not old enough or informed enough to be debating a subject like this.
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| September 28, 2009, 4:20 pm
Quoting Nick Dean
You can publish anything these days with enough money.

And if you can't understand my "big words" maybe you're not old enough or informed enough to be debating a subject like this.

What he means is, stop trying to act aloof. We're pretty much all high school kids or below here (with some exceptions), and it helps if we all respect each other and explain our arguments simply.
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| September 28, 2009, 7:39 pm
lisiten to my words! There has to be a mystical force that caused what we call life! if a big explosion came out of nowhere... and we all came to life somehow... it also had to be well... "magic". because you know the odds of that happening? well... actually i don't know! The odds are so low that there would be enough of each chemical to bring us to life and not instant death. How are we designed to survive our surroundings!!?? how???? Even the simplest of organisms are designed so perfectly and uniquely! how were we designed so that our balance is perfect. how are we designed so that we dont die from the temperature when we are born? tell me, people... how is there not any "magic" shall i say in this world? there is a powerful force in control of everything this very moment! He is outside of time and that's the only way someone can create something out of nothing! It's the only way! please people... just don't fight! share your beliefs! tell why you believe what you say! Don't fight! no ones going to want to be a Christan by watching your example! We are to be an example!

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| September 29, 2009, 8:03 am
Im not part of this
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| September 29, 2009, 8:58 am
Quoting Ryan T. M.
lisiten to my words! There has to be a mystical force that caused what we call life! if a big explosion came out of nowhere... and we all came to life somehow... it also had to be well... "magic". because you know the odds of that happening? well... actually i don't know! The odds are so low that there would be enough of each chemical to bring us to life and not instant death. How are we designed to survive our surroundings!!?? how???? Even the simplest of organisms are designed so perfectly and uniquely! how were we designed so that our balance is perfect. how are we designed so that we dont die from the temperature when we are born? tell me, people... how is there not any "magic" shall i say in this world? there is a powerful force in control of everything this very moment! He is outside of time and that's the only way someone can create something out of nothing! It's the only way! please people... just don't fight! share your beliefs! tell why you believe what you say! Don't fight! no ones going to want to be a Christan by watching your example! We are to be an example!

We're not fighting. I, at least, am trying to have a friendly debate. And, by they way, I agreed with all of the above arguments, so great imput!
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| September 29, 2009, 4:12 pm
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| September 29, 2009, 4:25 pm
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| September 29, 2009, 4:25 pm
Probability means there's always, no matter how small, a chance something will happen. For all we know before our Universe had been created, there were billions of gaseous formations that failed to create anything.
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| September 29, 2009, 4:25 pm
I pose a question to you all....
It may be on topic or it may not....but considering we went from 2012 to the big bang to human genetics, this wouldn't be off topic at all. Can anyone explain the Bermuda Triangle to me? I mean there must be something really importiant there that GOD dosn't want us to see if so many boats and planes crashed or went missing there...

I just want to see if anyone has any info on it. And a bonus is that it isn't from *ehem* wikipedia.
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| September 29, 2009, 8:14 pm
Woah... I need to pay more attentions to my topics. I didn't really plan for this topic to be the actual debate.

Lockwood: Well you do have a great point...

but, IMO.... look at all the Atheists who join. They are here to debate and everything... if they debate against Christianity, would that be a reason to lock the topic?
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| September 29, 2009, 10:34 pm
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