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well i got bored and this is my favourite pastime...arguing or discussing with my fellow learned friends

so offer up what you want to discuss/argue and ill do my best
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| August 13, 2009, 6:05 pm
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sure i love to argue you can choose the topic but i would like to argue the ethics/morals of war
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| August 13, 2009, 6:22 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
sure i love to argue you can choose the topic but i would like to argue the ethics/morals of war

ah a topic i love...you can start
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| August 13, 2009, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
sure i love to argue you can choose the topic but i would like to argue the ethics/morals of war

ok ill start...

war is ok if you have a divine purpose behind the war e.g. to help the people of the invaded land, to save people, to reclaim lost ground etc.
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| August 13, 2009, 6:27 pm
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on how to kill the enemy it must be humane the use of gas for example bullets are faster and relatively painless you should never purposefully inflict pain and suffering
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| August 13, 2009, 6:33 pm
Quoting Father Khal
ok ill start...

war is ok if you have a divine purpose behind the war e.g. to help the people of the invaded land, to save people, to reclaim lost ground etc.


But what if that lost ground was never yours to begin with? For example, nation 1 invades nation 2, nation 2 has a resistance movement that forces nation 1 out after many years. Nation 1 comes back even more powerful.

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| August 13, 2009, 6:34 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
on how to kill the enemy it must be humane the use of gas for example bullets are faster and relatively painless you should never purposefully inflict pain and suffering

but what if your enemy are those of the undivine and purposly inflict pain and suffering? would it be rightfull to use biochemichal or yes even nuclear weapons then?
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| August 13, 2009, 6:35 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But what if that lost ground was never yours to begin with? For example, nation 1 invades nation 2, nation 2 has a resistance movement that forces nation 1 out after many years. Nation 1 comes back even more powerful.

in the words of the cop they shouldnt have resisted in the first place lol

no i meant as in the sense of claiming rightful ground
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| August 13, 2009, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
ok ill start...

war is ok if you have a divine purpose behind the war e.g. to help the people of the invaded land, to save people, to reclaim lost ground etc.

so you cant be the aggressor
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| August 13, 2009, 6:36 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
but what if your enemy are those of the undivine and purposly inflict pain and suffering? would it be rightfull to use biochemichal or yes even nuclear weapons then?
nukes are fine as a last resort but never biochemical never

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| August 13, 2009, 6:37 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
so you cant be the aggressor

if only john...if everyone agreed to that there wouldnt be war to start with...but yes fundamentaly
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| August 13, 2009, 6:38 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
but what if your enemy are those of the undivine and purposly inflict pain and suffering? would it be rightfull to use biochemichal or yes even nuclear weapons then?
nukes are fine as a last resort but never biochemical never

biochemichal weapons are a poor mans nukes and has replaced gas
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| August 13, 2009, 6:39 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
in the words of the cop they shouldnt have resisted in the first place lol

no i meant as in the sense of claiming rightful ground
what is rightful ground do mean like the Hebrews in the conquering of the land of canaan

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| August 13, 2009, 6:40 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
biochemichal weapons are a poor mans nukes and has replaced gas
then he shouldnt try to fight a war

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| August 13, 2009, 6:40 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
in the words of the cop they shouldnt have resisted in the first place lol

no i meant as in the sense of claiming rightful ground
what is rightful ground do mean like the Hebrews in the conquering of the land of canaan

land first owned by the invader but lost

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| August 13, 2009, 6:41 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
biochemichal weapons are a poor mans nukes and has replaced gas
then he shouldnt try to fight a war

and there is your conclusion...war should not be fought entirely! no matter discussing the morals and ethics
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| August 13, 2009, 6:42 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
in the words of the cop they shouldnt have resisted in the first place lol

no i meant as in the sense of claiming rightful ground
what is rightful ground do mean like the Hebrews in the conquering of the land of canaan


Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

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| August 13, 2009, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But what if that lost ground was never yours to begin with? For example, nation 1 invades nation 2, nation 2 has a resistance movement that forces nation 1 out after many years. Nation 1 comes back even more powerful.

anything u wanna discuss awe?
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| August 13, 2009, 6:43 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.
so price makes makes right

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| August 13, 2009, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

but biochemichal are easier to find
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| August 13, 2009, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Oo... The Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a touchy one. I personally think they should just stop being so dead set they one is the good guy, one is the bad guy, and learn to live together.

Biochemical weapons are cheap. Biological weapons are even more cheap. Especially viruses.

btw have you noticed all wars when you involve the us of a today are based around oil?
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| August 13, 2009, 6:45 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
and there is your conclusion...war should not be fought entirely! no matter discussing the morals and ethics
no if you cant sustain a proper army dont pick a fight if youare invaded call for help and engage in guerrilla warfare

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| August 13, 2009, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
and there is your conclusion...war should not be fought entirely! no matter discussing the morals and ethics
no if you cant sustain a proper army dont pick a fight if youare invaded call for help and engage in guerrilla warfare

its all car bombs and hot water from windows now tho
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| August 13, 2009, 6:48 pm
Quoting Father Khal
btw have you noticed all wars when you involve the us of a today are based around oil?


Yea, I'm not sure why we're in Iraq for if we're not there for the oil. I mean, just a couple years before the Guld War Iraq was an ally. I know we're in Afghanistan to catch the world's hide and seek Champion, though.

@Harland: I mean cheap as in, not fair, dirty, not price wise. Bio weapons are banned for a reason. At least I think they're banned.
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| August 13, 2009, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Yea, I'm not sure why we're in Iraq for if we're not there for the oil. I mean, just a couple years before the Guld War Iraq was an ally. I know we're in Afghanistan to catch the world's hide and seek Champion, though.

@Harland: I mean cheap as in, not fair, dirty, not price wise. Bio weapons are banned for a reason. At least I think they're banned.

yeah but i dont believe osama bin laden is one person! and bio weapons arent illeagal they are the poor mans nukes according to mu religious ed teacher
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| August 13, 2009, 6:51 pm
Quoting Father Khal
yeah but i dont believe osama bin laden is one person! and bio weapons arent illeagal they are the poor mans nukes according to mu religious ed teacher


Well, I know we in America haven't used bio weapons since we killed all the natives. We have used nukes though..

Biological weapons are easy to make, if you have the right stuff. If a terrorist gets one of the remianing smallpox samples, we're in for one nas ty (I think that word is censored by MP) pandemic.
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| August 13, 2009, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Well, I know we in America haven't used bio weapons since we killed all the natives. We have used nukes though..

Biological weapons are easy to make, if you have the right stuff. If a terrorist gets one of the remianing smallpox samples, we're in for one nas ty (I think that word is censored by MP) pandemic.

yeah but biochemichal are even easier!
just get a dangerous chemichal e.g. chlorine and hook it up to a bomb
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| August 13, 2009, 6:55 pm
Quoting Father Khal
yeah but biochemichal are even easier!
just get a dangerous chemichal e.g. chlorine and hook it up to a bomb


Chlorine is mostly harmless.
What you want is chlorine GAS.
And if bombs are involved, you want radioactive materials instead of swimming pool stuff.
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| August 13, 2009, 7:01 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Chlorine is mostly harmless.
What you want is chlorine GAS.
And if bombs are involved, you want radioactive materials instead of swimming pool stuff.

yes but i said POOR mans NUKE...a nuke that isnt radioactive and doesnt cost much...like an easy to get chemical
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| August 13, 2009, 7:03 pm
Quoting Father Khal
yes but i said POOR mans NUKE...a nuke that isnt radioactive and doesnt cost much...like an easy to get chemical


Chlorine and ammonia = chlorine gas.

How hard is it to get hold of bleach and a bit of household ammonia?

Oh, also, if you like your lungs you shouldn't use an empty bleach bottle as an emergency toilet.
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| August 13, 2009, 7:07 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Chlorine and ammonia = chlorine gas.

How hard is it to get hold of bleach and a bit of household ammonia?

in the middle east...cmon! u cant get toothpaste out there for...somthins sake!
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| August 13, 2009, 7:09 pm
Quoting Father Khal
in the middle east...cmon! u cant get toothpaste out there for...somthins sake!


Who said anything about the middle east?
You should be more worried about people like me who live in the first world and know all sorts of politically incorrect things.
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| August 13, 2009, 7:10 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
its all car bombs and hot water from windows now tho
look at the Viet Cong they beat the largest army in the world with out car bombs or suicide bombers

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| August 13, 2009, 7:11 pm
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Quoting Areetsa C

Who said anything about the middle east?
You should be more worried about people like me who live in the first world and know all sorts of politically incorrect things.

im more worried about myself and people like me who see outside of the system!
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| August 13, 2009, 7:12 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
yeah but i dont believe osama bin laden is one person! and bio weapons arent illeagal they are the poor mans nukes according to mu religious ed teacher

no offense to him but what does he know
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| August 13, 2009, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
its all car bombs and hot water from windows now tho
look at the Viet Cong they beat the largest army in the world with out car bombs or suicide bombers

yes but they had a huge series of tunnnels and local knowledge...anyway i gotta go i will talk more tommorow
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| August 13, 2009, 7:13 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
yes but they had a huge series of tunnnels and local knowledge...anyway i gotta go i will talk more tommorow
yeah thats out smarting the enemy

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| August 13, 2009, 7:15 pm
Ithink if we kill Osama the world will just turn intoa big rainbow! I think that the U.S is only in Iraq for oil. I think that 9/11 WAS wrong though I don't see a connection between that and Iraq.
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| August 13, 2009, 7:29 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
yes but they had a huge series of tunnnels and local knowledge...anyway i gotta go i will talk more tommorow
yeah thats out smarting the enemy

heeeeerrrrreeeee's khal!
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| August 14, 2009, 7:42 am
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Quoting Squirelly .
Ithink if we kill Osama the world will just turn intoa big rainbow! I think that the U.S is only in Iraq for oil. I think that 9/11 WAS wrong though I don't see a connection between that and Iraq.

o...k.....hang on, where did we mention 9 11?
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| August 15, 2009, 6:52 pm
I am merely stating my opinion

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| August 15, 2009, 8:02 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
I am merely stating my opinion
we went to iraq to oust a dictator and al quida who planned the attacks
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| August 15, 2009, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Squirelly .
I am merely stating my opinion
we went to iraq to oust a dictator and al quida who planned the attacks

u went to iraq for oil...dont let the government tell u any different
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| August 16, 2009, 9:11 am
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Quoting Squirelly .
I am merely stating my opinion

ah...random opinion tho
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| August 16, 2009, 9:12 am
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Quoting Father Khal
u went to iraq for oil...dont let the government tell u any different

so your telling me that Saddam Hussein's aid to terrorist groups had nothing to do with our intervention there
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| August 16, 2009, 10:53 am
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
so your telling me that Saddam Hussein's aid to terrorist groups had nothing to do with our intervention there

yup...u live in the oil capital of the world...if theres a war for an oil rich country america will be on the frontline
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| August 16, 2009, 12:10 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
yup...u live in the oil capital of the world...if theres a war for an oil rich country america will be on the frontline
is that why we went into Vietnam and Korea?

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| August 16, 2009, 12:12 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
yup...u live in the oil capital of the world...if theres a war for an oil rich country america will be on the frontline
is that why we went into Vietnam and Korea?

that was different...when every single capitalist hated communism and oil was plentiful
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| August 16, 2009, 12:18 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
that was different...when every single capitalist hated communism and oil was plentiful
what about our intervention in afganistan there is no oil there

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| August 16, 2009, 12:58 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting Father Khal
that was different...when every single capitalist hated communism and oil was plentiful
what about our intervention in afganistan there is no oil there

again difference...russia was there first...then us and we asked foor ur help
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| August 16, 2009, 1:02 pm
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