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nails or ropes, cross or tree, discussion between john hartland and father khal
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well here we go
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| August 13, 2009, 5:52 pm
I will start it off by saying that if God says it happened it happened...
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| August 13, 2009, 5:55 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
I will start it off by saying that if God says it happened it happened...

man wrote the bible so man said it happened

he shoots he scores!
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| August 13, 2009, 5:56 pm
Well I guess that is true. But God would correct them if they were wrong right?
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| August 13, 2009, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
Well I guess that is true. But God would correct them if they were wrong right?

...no for god did not tell them to write it either
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| August 13, 2009, 6:00 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
Well I guess that is true. But God would correct them if they were wrong right?

the only religious scripture god ordered to write was the qu'ran...the word of god not the story
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| August 13, 2009, 6:01 pm
Well I guess you have a greater knowledge of the bible then I do!
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| August 13, 2009, 6:01 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
Well I guess you have a greater knowledge of the bible then I do!

nah im just older...dont worry about it i have that effect on most people lol
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| August 13, 2009, 6:03 pm
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Quoting Squirelly .
Well I guess you have a greater knowledge of the bible then I do!

so wat do u think btw nails or ropes?
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| August 13, 2009, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
man wrote the bible so man said it happened

he shoots he scores!

well Matthew Mark and John were there Luke did extensive research and they all wrote the same thing
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| August 13, 2009, 6:14 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
well Matthew Mark and John were there Luke did extensive research and they all wrote the same thing

mark wrote from a detailed account by john(the disciple) while mathew and luke actually copied most of his word for word but there are some places where there are differences e.g jesus rebirth(check all three ull see what i mean) while john (the writer), well we didnt learn about him in class because he was "irrelevant"
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| August 13, 2009, 6:18 pm
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Quoting Father Khal
...no for god did not tell them to write it either

yeah through divine inspiration the Holy Spirit guided the hands the authors of the Bible if you dont believe in the Holy Spirit there is no point in this because you are arguing a point you dont even believe in.
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| August 13, 2009, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
yeah through divine inspiration the Holy Spirit guided the hands the authors of the Bible if you dont believe in the Holy Spirit there is no point in this because you are arguing a point you dont even believe in.

i do...its just for me the gospels were written by man...now if god had dictated it word for word i would have some credibility in them...remember someone can put anything in a book...the world is flat somone claimed, books tell you of atlantis...why i do believe one book suggests the world was made in seven days...a bestseller too!
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| August 13, 2009, 6:22 pm
Well, you DO know that Paul says that all Scripture is God-breathed, and therefore God's Will, so it technically isn't just Man's word.
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| August 13, 2009, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Rock Hound
Well, you DO know that Paul says that all Scripture is God-breathed, and therefore God's Will, so it technically isn't just Man's word.

wasnt paul also a convert
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| August 14, 2009, 1:32 pm
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Quoting Rock Hound
Well, you DO know that Paul says that all Scripture is God-breathed, and therefore God's Will, so it technically isn't just Man's word.

wasnt paul also a convert
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| August 14, 2009, 1:32 pm
Aren't we all? ;)
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| August 14, 2009, 3:40 pm
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Quoting Rock Hound
Aren't we all? ;)

...not...really
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| August 14, 2009, 6:23 pm
Quoting Father Khal
...not...really

How is that possible? At some point you were converted to the Faith, unless you aren't Christian, in which case I see no point this conversation's relevance.
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| August 14, 2009, 9:05 pm
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Quoting Rock Hound
How is that possible? At some point you were converted to the Faith, unless you aren't Christian, in which case I see no point this conversation's relevance.

i was born into the religion
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| August 15, 2009, 7:41 am
Quoting Father Khal
i was born into the religion

Simply impossible. You are never part of a religion by birth alone. Sometime, you MUST make a choice to join it.
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| August 16, 2009, 12:08 am
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Quoting Rock Hound
Simply impossible. You are never part of a religion by birth alone. Sometime, you MUST make a choice to join it.

unless like me u dont have a choice and your parents make you join it...please think about this next time you comment
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| August 16, 2009, 6:08 am
Quoting Father Khal
unless like me u dont have a choice and your parents make you join it...please think about this next time you comment


Just because you have been born into a religion doesn't mean you believe the religion right away. It may look like you are a part of the religion, but when do you start trusting in GOD? Not right from the start, otherwise you would be claiming to be perfect. ONLY GOD is perfect. If you claim you are not a convert, as previously said, you are eaither not a Christian, or your claiming you have "always" been a Christian, and thus claim to be perfect. Did you believe in GOD right at the exact moment you were born? Well at that age you wouldn't have understood the message in the first place, proving right there you wern't always Christian. Eventually, likly in your teen or preteen years you start truly believing. You arn't a Christian UNTILL you actually start beliving, and because you can't really believe as a baby and young child, you would have to be a convert.


Another little side note here: Is is your choice alone. If you were "forced" to belive and you don't really belive, you have the choice to leave the religion at any time you want to. I highly recoment against it btw.

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| August 16, 2009, 7:07 am
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Quoting High Admiral Marcus

Just because you have been born into a religion doesn't mean you believe the religion right away. It may look like you are a part of the religion, but when do you start trusting in GOD? Not right from the start, otherwise you would be claiming to be perfect. ONLY GOD is perfect. If you claim you are not a convert, as previously said, you are eaither not a Christian, or your claiming you have "always" been a Christian, and thus claim to be perfect. Did you believe in GOD right at the exact moment you were born? Well at that age you wouldn't have understood the message in the first place, proving right there you wern't always Christian. Eventually, likly in your teen or preteen years you start truly believing. You arn't a Christian UNTILL you actually start beliving, and because you can't really believe as a baby and young child, you would have to be a convert.


Another little side note here: Is is your choice alone. If you were "forced" to belive and you don't really belive, you have the choice to leave the religion at any time you want to. I highly recoment against it btw.

yeah i get your point....so let me rephrase it from the point where i first learnt to think for meself

p.s i was raised with no other religion around me during childhood so i didnt have anything else to believe...also as well as that christianitys got a ring to its beliefs that i enjoy believing in
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| August 16, 2009, 7:36 am
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Quoting Father Khal
yeah i get your point....so let me rephrase it from the point where i first learnt to think for meself

p.s i was raised with no other religion around me during childhood so i didnt have anything else to believe...also as well as that christianitys got a ring to its beliefs that i enjoy believing in

"enjoy"? do you believe it or not?
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| August 16, 2009, 11:01 am
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
"enjoy"? do you believe it or not?

of course i believe...enjoy it 2:)
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| August 16, 2009, 12:12 pm
Quoting High Admiral Marcus

Just because you have been born into a religion doesn't mean you believe the religion right away. It may look like you are a part of the religion, but when do you start trusting in GOD? Not right from the start, otherwise you would be claiming to be perfect. ONLY GOD is perfect. If you claim you are not a convert, as previously said, you are eaither not a Christian, or your claiming you have "always" been a Christian, and thus claim to be perfect. Did you believe in GOD right at the exact moment you were born? Well at that age you wouldn't have understood the message in the first place, proving right there you wern't always Christian. Eventually, likly in your teen or preteen years you start truly believing. You arn't a Christian UNTILL you actually start beliving, and because you can't really believe as a baby and young child, you would have to be a convert.


Another little side note here: Is is your choice alone. If you were "forced" to belive and you don't really belive, you have the choice to leave the religion at any time you want to. I highly recoment against it btw.


I was born into the anglican religion but became an athiest.

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| August 16, 2009, 12:17 pm
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Quoting Cole Fynn

I was born into the anglican religion but became an athiest.

see every anglican gets born into the religion
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| August 16, 2009, 12:22 pm
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