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I was talking to my mom about obama and told her that hes went to muslim churches before and my mom said that muslims even if they switch religons the muslim people say your always a muslim so we have a muslim president. Scary :0
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| July 20, 2009, 11:28 am
Quoting Shane K
I was talking to my mom about obama and told her that hes went to muslim churches before and my mom said that muslims even if they switch religons the muslim people say your always a muslim so we have a muslim president. Scary :0

He's not Muslim but, he is the first secular president. I would like to add that before an argument starts that I am a staunch conservative Republican.
BTW: For all you liberals that don't know enough about the man you elected, he attended a Mosque/school as a child and teen.
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| July 20, 2009, 3:05 pm
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Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
He's not Muslim but, he is the first secular president. I would like to add that before an argument starts that I am a staunch conservative Republican.
BTW: For all you liberals that don't know enough about the man you elected, he attended a Mosque/school as a child and teen.

once your a muslim your always a muslim no matter what happens you will always be a muslim it even says in thier bible well thats what i heard theres even stories of like rich muslim dentists that have became christian here and then they want to go visit their families in the middle east they take their american wives and children thier and then force them to live thier life style so obama kind of scares me
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| July 20, 2009, 3:12 pm
Quoting Shane K
once your a muslim your always a muslim no matter what happens you will always be a muslim it even says in thier bible well thats what i heard theres even stories of like rich muslim dentists that have became christian here and then they want to go visit their families in the middle east they take their american wives and children thier and then force them to live thier life style so obama kind of scares me
He might be a terrorist supporter and he might be a socialist but as strange as it sounds he is not a Muslim. Now I have heard the once a Muslim always a Muslim stories but I believe he was forced to become one by his good for nothing father. Now I would like to state that Obama did do drugs and had his own drug dealer. I know this because it is written in his autobiography, "Audacity of Hope."

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| July 20, 2009, 3:39 pm
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Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
Another person makings us Republicans look crazy. He might be a terrorist supporter and he might be a socialist but as strange as it sounds he is not a Muslim. Now I have heard the once a Muslim always a Muslim stories but I believe he was forced to become one by his good for nothing father. Now I would like to state that Obama did do drugs and had his own drug dealer. I know this because it is written in his autobiography, "Audacity of Hope."

dude i never knew he did drugs now just another thing to use against him like he uses everything against us. i really do think he is a muslim because first he went to a muslim church then to a christian then to a muslim now who knows what he says he is?
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| July 20, 2009, 3:44 pm
Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
Quoting Shane K
once your a muslim your always a muslim no matter what happens you will always be a muslim it even says in thier bible well thats what i heard theres even stories of like rich muslim dentists that have became christian here and then they want to go visit their families in the middle east they take their american wives and children thier and then force them to live thier life style so obama kind of scares me
He might be a terrorist supporter and he might be a socialist but as strange as it sounds he is not a Muslim. Now I have heard the once a Muslim always a Muslim stories but I believe he was forced to become one by his good for nothing father. Now I would like to state that Obama did do drugs and had his own drug dealer. I know this because it is written in his autobiography, "Audacity of Hope."


Wow, he can admit he's made bad choices, just like pretty much half of America.

I don't see why everyone is so riled up about Obama, saying he wasn't born in America, or that he's a terrorist, and things like up. I don't remember people making up slander this bad when Bush was elected.
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| July 20, 2009, 3:52 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Wow, he can admit he's made bad choices, just like pretty much half of America.

I don't see why everyone is so riled up about Obama, saying he wasn't born in America, or that he's a terrorist, and things like up. I don't remember people making up slander this bad when Bush was elected.

Making up slander? If you would like to disagree with Mr. Obama about his drug use feel free. And what about his relationship with Mr Ayers? Is a man that blows up police stations not considered a terrorist. He said he does not regret what he did. He wishes he could've done more.

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| July 20, 2009, 3:54 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Wow, he can admit he's made bad choices, just like pretty much half of America.

I don't see why everyone is so riled up about Obama, saying he wasn't born in America, or that he's a terrorist, and things like up. I don't remember people making up slander this bad when Bush was elected.

But those things do not matter. What matters is carbon emmissions tax, Cap and Trade, and Socialized medicine.
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| July 20, 2009, 3:56 pm
Good day sirs. It was a pleasure debating.
:)
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| July 20, 2009, 3:59 pm
Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
Making up slander? If you would like to disagree with Mr. Obama about his drug use feel free. And what about his relationship with Mr Ayers? Is a man that blows up police stations not considered a terrorist. He said he does not regret what he did. He wishes he could've done more.


Actually, I deny none of those. I know he did drugs, and I know he had some form of relationship with Ayers, but I don't think it was "Best friends forever" or anything.

I'm talking about "Obama's a secret muslim and terrorist!" or "He's not from America!" accusations.

And now I see you've left, a pity, because MOCpages wouldn't work for me for a good few minnutes.

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| July 20, 2009, 4:25 pm
Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
But those things do not matter. What matters is carbon emmissions tax, Cap and Trade, and Socialized medicine.


Very true.
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| July 20, 2009, 4:36 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Wow, he can admit he's made bad choices, just like pretty much half of America.

I don't see why everyone is so riled up about Obama, saying he wasn't born in America, or that he's a terrorist, and things like up. I don't remember people making up slander this bad when Bush was elected.

dude he wasnt born in america he was born in africa so he shouldnt even be the president because you have to be born in america to be the president even his grandma said she was thier when he was born in africa and they havent even found his real birth record yet
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| July 20, 2009, 11:08 pm
Quoting Shane K
dude he wasnt born in america he was born in africa so he shouldnt even be the president because you have to be born in america to be the president even his grandma said she was thier when he was born in africa and they havent even found his real birth record yet


I beleive they have found it, and it's real. Just that no one opposed to him is gonna beleive it, because they don't like him.

It's pointless to argue this, I can't convince you it's real, you can't convince me it's not real, so I'm outa here.

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| July 21, 2009, 2:38 am
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im going to lock it because the debate is pretty much finished and brickdoctor said to lock them when thier finished
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| July 21, 2009, 11:24 pm
I just want to say I bet if Obama was white he would have alot less votes. So many people just wanted to have the first black president. They don't care what he proposes they just care about the color of his skin. now thats racism.
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| July 22, 2009, 6:04 pm
You all are simple minded. First of all the President DOES NOT do anything significant in this country. Congress, Senate, H.R, and Supreme Court are the ones that run this country. Obama is the talking head. Bush was a supposed Christian and he was terrible. Religion means nothing, its a way to win votes when it comes to politics. If you want to look at anything look at his education which is how he won the job.
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| July 27, 2009, 7:34 pm
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Quoting Spike 94
I just want to say I bet if Obama was white he would have alot less votes. So many people just wanted to have the first black president. They don't care what he proposes they just care about the color of his skin. now thats racism.


Yeah there are some "colored" people in my grade and the only reason they like (liked) him is because he is black.

Note: saying colored is not racist!
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| May 16, 2010, 3:43 pm
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Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
Quoting Shane K
once your a muslim your always a muslim no matter what happens you will always be a muslim it even says in thier bible well thats what i heard theres even stories of like rich muslim dentists that have became christian here and then they want to go visit their families in the middle east they take their american wives and children thier and then force them to live thier life style so obama kind of scares me
He might be a terrorist supporter and he might be a socialist but as strange as it sounds he is not a Muslim. Now I have heard the once a Muslim always a Muslim stories but I believe he was forced to become one by his good for nothing father. Now I would like to state that Obama did do drugs and had his own drug dealer. I know this because it is written in his autobiography, "Audacity of Hope."

Not that I am a Muslim because I'm Christian but just because someone's Muslim doesn't mean that they HAVE to be a terrorist, what I've heard is that Muslim religion is supposed to be like a peaceful religion, really the terrorists are part of Al Qaeda which is a terrorist organization that is Muslim also but they basically break the Muslim peace concept so I hope that sums it up for you Shane.

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| May 16, 2010, 4:39 pm
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Quoting Clone Commando Viper (Previously Matt S.)
Not that I am a Muslim because I'm Christian but just because someone's Muslim doesn't mean that they HAVE to be a terrorist, what I've heard is that Muslim religion is supposed to be like a peaceful religion, really the terrorists are part of Al Qaeda which is a terrorist organization that is Muslim also but they basically break the Muslim peace concept so I hope that sums it up for you Shane.

Yeah i already kinda summed it up like 5 months ago, but im talking about people voting for obama only because he's black!
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| May 16, 2010, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Snooperking (shane ?)
Yeah i already kinda summed it up like 5 months ago, but im talking about people voting for obama only because he's black!

Ok now that's strait down racist, seriously (I don't know if Mocpages will ban me for this comment but I'm still going to post it)
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| May 16, 2010, 7:05 pm
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for the record during his campaign obamer said he was muslim
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| May 16, 2010, 8:33 pm
This is my second hour-long rewrite of this post after Mocpages failed and lost it the first time. Based on it’s length, it is in three sections.

I think we need to be careful when we have debates like this. What matters in debate are facts, and not rumors. Following that, our God-given and Constitutional rights are what we have to be so careful over.

*Before you reply to anything written in this post, please read the entire thing*

1. Whatever Pres. Obama’s past, whether good or bad, does not change the fact that he is our president. We can’t change the past, just help to mold the future.

2. *Despite some modern ideas, there is no law that requires an individual holding the presidency to be born in the United States. They must either be born here or have lived here for fourteen years and hold U.S. citizenship. *NOTE: I stand corrected. Further research shows me one must be born here, and have lived 14 years within the U.S. to run.

Constitution, Article 2, Section 1
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

Because he has lived here more than fourteen years, and he is a U.S. citizen, Pres. Obama is legally president, unless he was not born here.

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| May 17, 2010, 12:06 am
3. Though we cannot state for a fact all we hear about Mr. Obama’s past, there is nothing contained in the Constitution that removes eligibility from any U.S. citizen if they have foreign religious beliefs or have a criminal past. Whatever his past actions, Pres. Obama’s right to be in office as of the election is still acceptable, excepting birth location, which is still unproven. Painful as this is to hear, even if he is Muslim and/or Socialist, he can be our president Constitutionally according to Article 2 on election, eligibility, and removal of the president

4. However, Mr. Obama has supported government funded heathcare and the bailout of failing businesses. There is no area in the Constitution delegating the Federal government to be involved in either of these areas according to Article 1, Section 8, which is the scope of legislative power.

5. As the figurehead of the United States, the president often gets a bad rap. Please realize that he does not make the laws. Though he has authority in that area, where the real power lies is in the Congress.

Constitution, Article 1, Section 1
“All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”

This does not excuse the president’s actions, but it shows that he is not the seat of the problem. So much anger is directed towards the president, but most of it needs to be directed towards Congress.

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| May 17, 2010, 12:07 am
6. Nothing will change unless we as the citizens rise up to resist the passage of laws that take our rights. Complaining does nothing, action does. We must stay informed, and when an un-Constitutional law comes to the floor, we must communicate with our Congressmen. Contact information can be found at the following url: http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

7. As Christians, we must behave as an example to the world. Our duty is to present ourselves in a Christ-like manner, and love others as we love ourselves.

Matthew 5:44 “But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.”

At the same time, we have to pray, and seek His face. This is the only way for things to really change.

2 Chronicles 7:14 “If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

Pray, but be gentle as doves, wise as serpents, and ever on the lookout for any who would take our freedom, be it Congress, president, or others.


To any who endured this entire post, I thank you.

Greg


The Constitution can be found here: http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution

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| May 17, 2010, 12:08 am
Quoting Timothy Mably
This is a ridiculous thread... I mean, of course he's not Muslin (not standing up for him, I'm against all liberals like him) and this isn't the place to put political questions down unless it has a connection to the Bible. The Bible says "do not mix religion and state." Something like that...

Could you point me to the Scriptural reference for "do not mix religion and state"? I can't seem to find it. Thanks.

Online concordance: http://www.biblegateway.com/

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| May 17, 2010, 1:34 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Wow, he can admit he's made bad choices, just like pretty much half of America.

I don't see why everyone is so riled up about Obama, saying he wasn't born in America, or that he's a terrorist, and things like up. I don't remember people making up slander this bad when Bush was elected.

Number one, they're true, you can look them up. Number two is that, frankly us conservatives are worried about our country and what Obama's doing to it. Did anyone know that he was a close friend to a man who is unrepentant for trying to blow up the Pentagon? The reason that slander wasn't talked about with Bush was because he had qualifications, unlike Obama. And Democrats made up a lot about him that WASN'T true. And if he was really born in the US, why doesn't he just come out and prove it? Someone researched his social security number and it could only have been issued to a resident of Connecticut and the researcher believes that it belonged to someone who is now deceased. What is he trying to hide?
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| May 18, 2010, 8:19 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I beleive they have found it, and it's real. Just that no one opposed to him is gonna beleive it, because they don't like him.

It's pointless to argue this, I can't convince you it's real, you can't convince me it's not real, so I'm outa here.

Then why won't he show it?!?! It is pointless to argue this because a lot of people feel the "tingle up their leg" sensation whenever Obama speaks
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| May 18, 2010, 8:23 am
Quoting Timothy Mably
I heard it in a sermon a while ago so I don't remember the verse. That's no reason not to believe me though, it's kind of obvious not to mix the two. Politics are of earth/man/sin while Christianity is holy. I mean, if your Christian your usually a Republician and you go by what the Bible says in voting for things such as obort io n, etc. That isn't what I meant by that, I just meant that we shouldn't be bringing politics/nation, etc. into Christianity when there's no reason to.

I think I see where you're coming from. I believe that we should not let worldly things influence our faith, but at the same time, our faith should be an integral part of everything else we do. Its the 1 Corinthians 10:31 worldview: "So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."
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| May 18, 2010, 7:18 pm
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Quoting Will Gober President of the Republic of Texas
He's not Muslim but, he is the first secular president. I would like to add that before an argument starts that I am a staunch conservative Republican.
BTW: For all you liberals that don't know enough about the man you elected, he attended a Mosque/school as a child and teen.

umm he is a muslim...

born barrack hussein mohammed obama. cmon hes not even my president and i know hes a muslim
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| May 19, 2010, 9:55 am
Well, for one, his name is Barrack Hussein Obama Jr. The Muhammad just isn't there on any record (drivers license, medical records, school records, etc etc etc) and only goes back to an e-mail by Celeste Davis whose husband said, when interviewed, that well, they heard that once. Hardly a solid proof of anything.

Two, even if that were his name (and it isn't), your argument also goes to prove that Abraham Lincoln was Jewish and Christopher Hitchens is a devout Christian. For the record, Lincoln's parents were Baptist and he attended (but was not a member of) a Presbyterian church. Hitchens is one of the more prominent of the current string of atheist authors.
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| May 19, 2010, 12:15 pm
Quoting Mudskipper 4
, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

Because he has lived here more than fourteen years, and he is a U.S. citizen, Pres. Obama is legally president.

I'm not arguing he isn't a legal president but you have to be born in the United States to run for president. The Fourteen years thing is if you were born in the US but moved to another country. When you came back you would have to wait 14 years to become president.

Just thought I should clarify that :)
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| May 20, 2010, 12:53 am
Quoting Seth N.
I'm not arguing he isn't a legal president but you have to be born in the United States to run for president. The Fourteen years thing is if you were born in the US but moved to another country. When you came back you would have to wait 14 years to become president.

Just thought I should clarify that :)

Well, I stand corrected. I did some research on that section, it does appear that you are correct. Thank you for standing up and saying something. I was a little confused by the punctuation in the Old English, but I understand now.

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| May 20, 2010, 9:40 am
Whether or not he is Muslim, which I am pretty sure he is not, does it really even matter?
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| May 23, 2010, 12:10 am
He isn't a Muslim, the only thing he worships five times a day is himself in the mirror.
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| May 23, 2010, 10:11 am
Quoting Shane K
I was talking to my mom about obama and told her that hes went to muslim churches before and my mom said that muslims even if they switch religons the muslim people say your always a muslim so we have a muslim president. Scary :0

Righteo!
PS Muslim Church Is A Mosque
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| May 23, 2010, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Brick Tales
Well, for one, his name is Barrack Hussein Obama Jr. The Muhammad just isn't there on any record (drivers license, medical records, school records, etc etc etc) and only goes back to an e-mail by Celeste Davis whose husband said, when interviewed, that well, they heard that once. Hardly a solid proof of anything.

Two, even if that were his name (and it isn't), your argument also goes to prove that Abraham Lincoln was Jewish and Christopher Hitchens is a devout Christian. For the record, Lincoln's parents were Baptist and he attended (but was not a member of) a Presbyterian church. Hitchens is one of the more prominent of the current string of atheist authors.

All muslims are born with mohammed in their name on religious records only...i asked my r.e. teacher, seriously look it up

secondly no im not because from that i would declare meself jewish (daniel)

and thirdly...well u get the idea im tired and i have exams...
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| May 25, 2010, 4:39 pm
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Quoting Will Gober
He isn't a Muslim, the only thing he worships five times a day is himself in the mirror.

and his dog
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| May 25, 2010, 4:47 pm
Quoting Dr. N
Doesn't every dog owner worship their dog? I sure did.

Bow down or kneel...

Then give 'em a belly rub!
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| May 26, 2010, 11:05 am
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