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Obama for the better or worse of america?
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personally i think he is not good for america, he is starting to become a dictator by taking the rights away of people, his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous. i am also against abortion to kill babys

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| July 10, 2009, 11:06 pm
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he isnt a dictator he is a narcissistwhich is far worse
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| July 11, 2009, 4:25 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
he isnt a dictator he is a narcissistwhich is far worse

He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.
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| July 11, 2009, 4:33 pm
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Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.

i think he is not good for america he is just making things worse
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| July 11, 2009, 4:52 pm
have you guys guys heard about judge sotomayor?
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| July 11, 2009, 5:05 pm
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Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
have you guys guys heard about judge sotomayor?

no
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| July 11, 2009, 5:06 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
have you guys guys heard about judge sotomayor?
Isn't she the head judge in the u.s. supreme court or something like that.

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| July 11, 2009, 5:07 pm
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Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.

have you seen his policies?! he wants to sit down and have a friendly chat with TERRORISTS b/c he has such disarming personality they will see his view and stop killing people. now does that likely to happen any time soon?
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| July 11, 2009, 5:08 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
have you guys guys heard about judge sotomayor?
Isn't she the head judge in the u.s. supreme court or something like that.
correct,did you hear about the firefighter thing that happened?

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| July 11, 2009, 5:09 pm
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Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
have you guys guys heard about judge sotomayor?
Isn't she the head judge in the u.s. supreme court or something like that.
correct,did you hear about the firefighter thing that happened?

thanks for staying on topic.
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| July 11, 2009, 5:10 pm
Quoting Lt. John Harland
have you seen his policies?! he wants to sit down and have a friendly chat with TERRORISTS b/c he has such disarming personality they will see his view and stop killing people. now does that likely to happen any time soon?

At least some people understand that what he wants to do is outrageous.
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| July 11, 2009, 5:13 pm
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Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.

his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous.
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| July 11, 2009, 5:15 pm
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Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
At least some people understand that what he wants to do is outrageous.
YES!! you understand!

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| July 11, 2009, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Lt. John Harland
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
At least some people understand that what he wants to do is outrageous.
YES!! you understand!

i do to

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| July 11, 2009, 5:16 pm
Well, he IS the one who attempted to buy some helicopters that were worth 11 trillion.
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| July 11, 2009, 5:30 pm
Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
DEATH TO OBAMA. I THINK HE SHOULD BE KILLED!
I think you need to calm down.

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| July 11, 2009, 6:23 pm
Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
DEATH TO OBAMA. I THINK HE SHOULD BE KILLED!
I think you need to calm down.

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| July 11, 2009, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Commander Marks CC-124

shhhhh!!! dude if the goverment catches you saying that you will get into big trouble so i think you should delete that commment no offence or im gonna delete it for you. Btw im with ya
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| July 11, 2009, 6:42 pm
guys leave Obama alone, he is are President and, I am prity sure the F.B.I agents would not like it if u say mean things about him?!!
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| July 11, 2009, 6:44 pm
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Quoting Commander Fero
I agree.
I also dont like MCcain as it was his fault he lost.and Mccain after he lost he blamed palin!
We need Palin for President!with that one indian guy who is a republican.

i think both of them are idiots
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| July 11, 2009, 6:45 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
guys leave Obama alone, he is are President and, I am prity sure the F.B.I agents would not like it if u say mean things about him?!!

I thought that we live in a free country,with freedom of speech.
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| July 11, 2009, 6:46 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
I thought that we live in a free country,with freedom of speech.

we do is that people are abusing that power!
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| July 11, 2009, 6:47 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
we do is that people are abusing that power!
I agree with you people abuse that power are people like fred phelps and nazis.

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| July 11, 2009, 6:48 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
we do is that people are abusing that power!

yes you are are right about that.
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| July 11, 2009, 6:49 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
we do is that people are abusing that power!
I agree with you people abuse that power are people like fred phelps and nazis.

thanks 4 agreing with me!
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| July 11, 2009, 6:50 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
thanks 4 agreing with me!
Your welcome.

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| July 11, 2009, 6:51 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
yes you are are right about that.

Thanks 4 agrenig with me!
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| July 11, 2009, 6:51 pm
we the people of America r abusing r power!
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| July 11, 2009, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
we the people of America r abusing r rights!

NO!!! the goverment is abusing thier power they are not supposed to have this much power they cant raise taxes obama has never had a real job and dont know what its like to have a job and barely be able to support a family, and make us get them out of debt to china because we owe them billions because america keeps giving money to third world countries
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| July 11, 2009, 6:55 pm
Quoting buise k
NO!!! the goverment is abusing thier power they are not supposed to have this much power they cant raise taxes obama has never had a real job and dont know what its like to have a job and barely be able to support a family, and make us get them out of debt to china because we owe them billions because america keeps giving money to third world countries
Some people abuse their power,but the government abuses it the most.people were saying that Palin didn't have enough experience when our president has less than Palin.

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| July 11, 2009, 7:00 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting buise k
NO!!! the goverment is abusing thier power they are not supposed to have this much power they cant raise taxes obama has never had a real job and dont know what its like to have a job and barely be able to support a family, and make us get them out of debt to china because we owe them billions because america keeps giving money to third world countries
Some people abuse their power,but the government abuses it the most.people were saying that Palin didn't have enough experience when our president has less than Palin.

that is what i meen about the we the people (I meant everyone)
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| July 11, 2009, 7:01 pm
Quoting mark Goncharov
I THINK HE IS GOOD!!!

Yay!
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| July 11, 2009, 7:20 pm
Quoting mark Goncharov
I THINK HE IS GOOD!!!
Why do you think he is good?

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| July 11, 2009, 7:27 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Yay!

Why do you think that he is good?
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| July 11, 2009, 7:32 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Why do you think that he is good?

Well because he supports gun control and stem cell research .
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| July 11, 2009, 7:34 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Well because he supports gun control and stem cell research .
How are we supposed to protect our selfs.Did you know that he's spent more $ than every president combined?!? and he didn't say that he was against abortion?!?

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| July 11, 2009, 7:39 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Well because he supports gun control and stem cell research .
How are we supposed to protect our selfs.Did you know that he's spent more $ than every president combined?!? and he didn't say that he was against abortion?!?
I am pro choice.

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| July 11, 2009, 7:40 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Well because he supports gun control and stem cell research .
How are we supposed to protect our selfs.Did you know that he's spent more $ than every president combined?!? and he didn't say that he was against abortion?!?

hey Fixer, I am against abortion!
I think Abortion is murder 2 babys that r still in there moms!
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| July 11, 2009, 7:41 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
hey Fixer, I am against abortion!
I think Abortion is murder 2 babys that r still in there moms!
GOOD!!!!

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| July 11, 2009, 7:44 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
hey Fixer, I am against abortion!
I think Abortion is murder 2 babys that r still in there moms!
GOOD!!!!

Am I right about what abortion is?
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| July 11, 2009, 7:45 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
Am I right about what abortion is?

Abortion is when you take the fetus out of the womb. Tecnicly they are just fetuses not babys.
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| July 11, 2009, 7:47 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Abortion is when you take the fetus out of the womb. Tecnicly they are just fetuses not babys.

yeah, but still it is murder 2 a person that is not fully developed yet!
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| July 11, 2009, 7:49 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
yeah, but still it is murder 2 a person that is not fully developed yet!
Technically it is not alive.

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| July 11, 2009, 7:50 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Technicaly they are just fetuses not babys.

yeah,they kind of are.
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| July 11, 2009, 7:50 pm
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
yeah,they kind of are.

thank u 4 helping me make a point!
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| July 11, 2009, 7:52 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
thank u 4 helping me make a point!
Same here!

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| July 11, 2009, 7:53 pm
Someone, quickly, start a thread about abortion!

As for Obama, let me point out that it was Bush who implented policies limiting the people's rights.

And terrorists? You do know we gave the Iraqi's and the Taliban the very weapons they're using against us now... Wonder why we gave them to them in the first place.
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| July 11, 2009, 8:03 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Someone, quickly, start a thread about abortion!

As for Obama, let me point out that it was Bush who implented policies limiting the people's rights.

And terrorists? You do know we gave the Iraqi's and the Taliban the very weapons they're using against us now... Wonder why we gave them to them in the first place.

I know, what is wrong with us?!
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| July 11, 2009, 8:05 pm
I forgot to talk about taxes. How else are we gonna keep this nation running? I mean, it's not like our previous administration run this country into debt or anything when they started out with a surplus.. Oh, wait. That is what happened. So, how are we gonna get out of debt? Pay it off. How are we gonna pay it off? It'd be un-American to make the people who got us in debt pay off the debt, so the people who elected them are gonna have to pay it off. With what? Higher taxes. Which leads me to ask... Would higher taxes be a problem for the conservitives and republicans if the previous president instituted them? Or are they just bad because the liberal/democrat president instituted them?

Keep in mind I am neither liberal nor conservitive, and I am neither democrat nor republican. Don't flame me for being any of those if you choose to reply to this, people.
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| July 11, 2009, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I forgot to talk about taxes. How else are we gonna keep this nation running? I mean, it's not like our previous administration run this country into debt or anything when they started out with a surplus.. Oh, wait. That is what happened. So, how are we gonna get out of debt? Pay it off. How are we gonna pay it off? It'd be un-American to make the people who got us in debt pay off the debt, so the people who elected them are gonna have to pay it off. With what? Higher taxes. Which leads me to ask... Would higher taxes be a problem for the conservitives and republicans if the previous president instituted them? Or are they just bad because the liberal/democrat president instituted them?

Keep in mind I am neither liberal nor conservitive, and I am neither democrat nor republican. Don't flame me for being any of those if you choose to reply to this, people.

i think that the u.s. should stop borrowing money from china to give to poor countries so that the poor countries can have a better lifestyle but we will have a worse one
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| July 11, 2009, 11:31 pm
Let's give Obama a chance. It's always been a wild controversey over the extent that we should submit to our authorities. 1 Peter 2:13-15 tells us that we need to honor those who God has allowed to be an authority over us. Now, if our authorities are making us do something that contradict's God's laws, that's a different story. As I said, it's a huge huge huge huge discussion concerning whether abortion, etc. can be accepted by we Christians. All I can say is that that decision is up to each of us personally.
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| July 12, 2009, 10:11 am
Quoting buise k
his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists...

Buise, I have to admit that I get angry sometimes too, and it's often hard to control our feelings that we know are right. I know that for the most part we dislike what Obama's doing with our country. But we can't just tear him apart. Jesus says to love our enemies; now, we can love Obama and at the same time not agree with his policies, but it's not necessary to rip him up. God's allowed him to become the president of our valuable country, and he may be tearing up us as Christians. But Jesus tore down the motive "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." When those who oppose us rip us apart, we don't rip them up in return. If we can control our anger and reply to an insult with a compliment, think of the impression we can make for the world!
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| July 12, 2009, 10:19 am
Quoting buise k
his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous.

1: Do you have ANY form of proof that his father is a "terrorist"?
2: How the noodles do you know that he doesn't have any leadership skills?
3: Obama didn't make the U.S. indebted all by himself, did he? Did he even add any debt at all?
4: If you think aiding helpless countries is bad, why do you think it's bad to pull put of Iraq?
5: Editing the Costitution of a country is not done help criminals, but a last-resort to unlock options to make the country better.

Those are my questions/other stuff. Answer the questions. I want straight answers + proof.
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| July 12, 2009, 10:41 am
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Quoting Anders Hognerud
1: Do you have ANY form of proof that his father is a "terrorist"?>>>

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to black Muslim Barack Hussein Obama Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and White atheist, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Muslim as well, moving to Jakarta with young Obama, when he was six years old.

Within six months he had learned to speak the Indonesian language Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. Mitigating that information, by saying that for two years, he attended a Catholic school.

Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham?at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Obama's spin- meisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam, came from his father and that influence was only temporary, which is true. Obama Sr. returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. But,

Lolo Soetoro, Ann Dunham's second husband, educated his stepson Barack Hussein Obama, as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools.

Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists, who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ, to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.


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| July 12, 2009, 11:09 am
Quoting buise k
Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to black Muslim Barack Hussein Obama Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and White atheist, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Muslim as well, moving to Jakarta with young Obama, when he was six years old.

Within six months he had learned to speak the Indonesian language Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. Mitigating that information, by saying that for two years, he attended a Catholic school.

Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham?at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Obama's spin- meisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam, came from his father and that influence was only temporary, which is true. Obama Sr. returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. But,

Lolo Soetoro, Ann Dunham's second husband, educated his stepson Barack Hussein Obama, as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools.

Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists, who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ, to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.

That still doesn't count as hard evidence, it's just a text.

Oh, and -if- the father is a terrosist, how does that mean Barack Obama Jr. is bad?
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| July 12, 2009, 11:25 am
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Quoting Anders Hognerud
Quoting buise k
Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to black Muslim Barack Hussein Obama Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and White atheist, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Muslim as well, moving to Jakarta with young Obama, when he was six years old.

Within six months he had learned to speak the Indonesian language Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. Mitigating that information, by saying that for two years, he attended a Catholic school.

Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham?at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Obama's spin- meisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam, came from his father and that influence was only temporary, which is true. Obama Sr. returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. But,

Lolo Soetoro, Ann Dunham's second husband, educated his stepson Barack Hussein Obama, as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools.

Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists, who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ, to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.

That still doesn't count as hard evidence, it's just a text.

Oh, and -if- the father is a terrosist, how does that mean Barack Obama Jr. is bad?

he has had parties with terrorists and wants to just sit down with them and make a treaty
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| July 12, 2009, 11:28 am
Quoting buise k
he has had parties with terrorists and wants to just sit down with them and make a treaty

It is a good thing he wants to make a treaty war doesn't solve everything you know.
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| July 12, 2009, 11:30 am
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the govermnet evens wants to run the auto industry and obama is gonna change the lightbulb industry i think that is good for the lightbulb industry to change out the lightbulbs but not the auto industry i mean make it so it has to get 43mile per gallon and make it more strict and stuff
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| July 12, 2009, 11:35 am
Quoting buise k
he has had parties with terrorists and wants to just sit down with them and make a treaty

How can trying to solve a problem without killing anyone be bad?

I thought the sixth commandment was "You shall not murder".
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| July 12, 2009, 11:50 am
Quoting Anders Hognerud
3: Obama didn't make the U.S. indebted all by himself, did he? Did he even add any debt at all?

Those are my questions/other stuff. Answer the questions. I want straight answers + proof.
Look at what he's spent! He hasn't even been in office for a year!

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| July 12, 2009, 12:22 pm
Quoting Brad (Fixer)
Quoting Anders Hognerud
3: Obama didn't make the U.S. indebted all by himself, did he? Did he even add any debt at all?

Those are my questions/other stuff. Answer the questions. I want straight answers + proof.
Look at what he's spent! He hasn't even been in office for a year!

And where do I look? Plus, you've gotta sacrifice a little to get a lot.

And who invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?
Who started the war who has costed thousands of lives and billions (Or even trillions) of Dollars?
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| July 12, 2009, 12:33 pm
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Quoting Anders Hognerud
How can trying to solve a problem without killing anyone be bad?

I thought the sixth commandment was "You shall not murder".

well one of the commandments says let one man perish instead of a whole nation
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| July 12, 2009, 12:34 pm
Quoting buise k
well one of the commandments says let one man perish instead of a whole nation

Which one? There's only ten, that's these:

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH.

2. You shall not make an idol.

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain.

4. You shall not break the Sabbath.

5. You shall not dishonor your parents.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet.
_____
And if bloodshed can be avoided and a peaceful solution is possible, let that be the one.
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| July 12, 2009, 12:40 pm
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Quoting Anders Hognerud
Which one? There's only ten, that's these:

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH.

2. You shall not make an idol.

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain.

4. You shall not break the Sabbath.

5. You shall not dishonor your parents.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet.

maybe its a scripture
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| July 12, 2009, 12:42 pm
Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
booooo!!!!!
I like you as a friend. I like people who voice there opinion.
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| July 12, 2009, 12:48 pm
Quoting Anders Hognerud
How can trying to solve a problem without killing anyone be bad?



The same way that the ending where the guy in I Am Legend makes peace with the creatures is contreversial.

We're a bloodthirsty society over here, Mr. Hognerud, no matter how much we claim we aren't.

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| July 12, 2009, 1:56 pm
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Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
i think it is when the pharaceas were going to kill Jesus. ya thats it!

no its when the one guy killed herod god told him its better 1 man die than a whole nation wiped of the earth or something like that
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| July 12, 2009, 2:29 pm
Regardless of whether you support President Obama, we must support him now.

Hewbrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority."

This is something that lots of people struggle with. If I had to guess, I would say there are more bumper stickers degrading George Bush than ones that praise him!
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| July 12, 2009, 4:32 pm
Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
oh your not mad at me? you wanna be friends?

Sure! Are you a member of the cop?
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| July 12, 2009, 4:52 pm
I think I should stay out of this conversation, or there will be blood.
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| July 12, 2009, 4:58 pm
But hey, I think I need to say something. We are all Christians, and Obama supports what Christians don't. Abortion. That is murder, so therefore that is one reason to not like him. Second is Gay marriage. Sure they can be together and whatnot, but that is technically a sin. Gays marrying is taking it way to far. Give them benefits, but not what is supposed to happen with only people of opposite genders. He is a good guy I bet, but we Christians shouldn't support some of his planks.
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| July 12, 2009, 5:01 pm
Quoting Commander Marks CC-124
no why?

Because I'm a member.
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| July 12, 2009, 5:33 pm
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Quoting Prof. Tigger
Regardless of whether you support President Obama, we must support him now.

Hewbrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority."

This is something that lots of people struggle with. If I had to guess, I would say there are more bumper stickers degrading George Bush than ones that praise him!

so you really only obey them if they are doing good things instead of ones that will make them worse like in the scriptures "better one man perish than a whole nation stand and watch in awe"
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| July 12, 2009, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Jack Fonchezzz
But hey, I think I need to say something. We are all Christians, and Obama supports what Christians don't. Abortion. That is murder, so therefore that is one reason to not like him. Second is Gay marriage. Sure they can be together and whatnot, but that is technically a sin. Gays marrying is taking it way to far. Give them benefits, but not what is supposed to happen with only people of opposite genders. He is a good guy I bet, but we Christians shouldn't support some of his planks.

dude he was first went to a muslim church you know kill one infidel and then to a christian church then to a muslim one and then to another christian one and who knows what he is now. obamas dad is a muslim and some believe he is a terrorist in africa
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| July 12, 2009, 6:02 pm
Quoting buise k
so you really only obey them if they are doing good things instead of ones that will make them worse like in the scriptures "better one man perish than a whole nation stand and watch in awe"


Yeah, that's the whole concept. God is our ultimate leader, and His commands come first.
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| July 14, 2009, 8:46 am
Quoting buise k
so you really only obey them if they are doing good things instead of ones that will make them worse like in the scriptures "better one man perish than a whole nation stand and watch in awe"


Sorry about that. My comment came out more confusing than I had planned! I think the verse I quoted really comes into play when things not related to morals are in question like, for example, the economy, energy use restrictions, etc.
Abortion, capital punishment, and stem cells are an entirely different matter, and only you can dictate your beliefs.
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| July 14, 2009, 12:39 pm
Quoting buise k
i think he is not good for america he is just making things worse

He hasn't kept many of his promises he made during the election.
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| July 14, 2009, 4:18 pm
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Quoting Mike Bonar
He hasn't kept many of his promises he made during the election.

alot of his promises were bad to
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| July 14, 2009, 4:20 pm
Quoting Mike Bonar
He hasn't kept many of his promises he made during the election.

It's not even been a whole year.
Do you excpect everything to be done in a few months?
A whole president period is 4 years, and the first is not over yet.
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| July 14, 2009, 4:25 pm
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Quoting Prof. Tigger

Sorry about that. My comment came out more confusing than I had planned! I think the verse I quoted really comes into play when things not related to morals are in question like, for example, the economy, energy use restrictions, etc.
Abortion, capital punishment, and stem cells are an entirely different matter, and only you can dictate your beliefs.
yeah you cant dictate other peoples beliefs like say im a mormon and there was a catholic and the catholic was forcing me to believe what he believes then that is dictation and it is messed up or the other way around for example

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| July 14, 2009, 4:27 pm
GO OBAMA!
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| July 15, 2009, 1:14 pm
Quoting OOM - 224
GO OBAMA!

Yay!

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| July 15, 2009, 1:15 pm
Quoting buise k
i do to
you know one time he said the USA was a very guilty country.

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| July 15, 2009, 2:39 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.

yes he is do even know what he is planning to do his tax " fix " will makes pay just as much but the money will go to the CEOs because after they pay their taxes if they do at all they will raise their prises to keep up their profit
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| July 15, 2009, 4:20 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
He is not. He is not a dictator. He did not ruin the econemy.He is not a terrorist.Get over john mc cain losing.

yes he is do even know what he is planning to do his tax " fix " will makes pay just as much but the money will go to the CEOs because after they pay their taxes if they do at all they will raise their prises to keep up their profit
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| July 15, 2009, 4:20 pm
What the heck does any of this have to do with lego creations?!?!
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| July 15, 2009, 4:22 pm
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Quoting buise k
personally i think he is not good for america, he is starting to become a dictator by taking the rights away of people, his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous. i am also against abortion to kill babys

...Defenceless? Do you even know where Britain is on a globe? We had fought the war for 2 years until you finally decided to take any action, and that was only because you got bombed yourself! Yes, we could have held the channel for quite a while, and did you just blame WWII on the British? do you know anything about how it started? at all? WE didn't start it with our empire. Ever heard of HITLER??? there's your cause right there, and we did indeed take action against that quickly. We had to. And if we didn't, then Europe would have fallen and you would have been too late. And another thing; you friggin discovered that pollution speeds up global warming, and then you ignored it! Obama is the first president to achknowlage it, so I think he will be a great president and will make america a better place. And what the crud? HIS DAD IS A TERRORIST? where are you getting this seriously...
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| July 15, 2009, 4:36 pm
Quoting buise k
Quoting Prof. Tigger

Sorry about that. My comment came out more confusing than I had planned! I think the verse I quoted really comes into play when things not related to morals are in question like, for example, the economy, energy use restrictions, etc.
Abortion, capital punishment, and stem cells are an entirely different matter, and only you can dictate your beliefs.
yeah you cant dictate other peoples beliefs like say im a mormon and there was a catholic and the catholic was forcing me to believe what he believes then that is dictation and it is messed up or the other way around for example


Out of curiousity, do you support President Obama?
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| July 15, 2009, 6:06 pm
Quoting Josh Lightford
What the heck does any of this have to do with lego creations?!?!

Nothing.

CFOL is actually centered around Christian-related conversation, not LEGO.

We are not "Christians who like LEGO", we're "MOCers who are Christians".

In other words, CFOL is mainly for people on MOCpages to discuss Christianity, not Christian's to discuss LEGO.
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| July 15, 2009, 6:17 pm
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Quoting Prof. Tigger

Out of curiousity, do you support President Obama?

NO!!! HE IS AN IDIOT
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| July 15, 2009, 8:30 pm
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Quoting OOM - 224
GO OBAMA!

you can tell him to go till he ruins this country
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| July 15, 2009, 8:32 pm
Quoting buise k
NO!!! HE IS AN IDIOT


I don't support him either, but I don't think you are going to change a lot of people's minds by insulting him.
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| July 16, 2009, 2:01 pm
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Quoting Prof. Tigger

I don't support him either, but I don't think you are going to change a lot of people's minds by insulting him.

dude its only true he is an idiot he wants to put a tax on cows and sheep because of the methane gas they produce, its stupid and he wants to put a tax on every breath you take
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| July 17, 2009, 12:32 pm
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Quoting Commander Fero
I agree.
I also dont like MCcain as it was his fault he lost.and Mccain after he lost he blamed palin!
We need Palin for President!with that one indian guy who is a republican.

yeah the only reason why the worse people win at the presidential election is because they only focus on the worst people like obama and mccain personally i think ron paul should have won but he didnt because hardly anybody heard about him and all people heard about was obama and mccain and theyre both idiots!!! but i did like mccains vice president she was good but obamas vice president is a very evil man
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| July 17, 2009, 12:36 pm
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Quoting RC-1140 (Fixer)
Quoting king of canada seargent fynn
Well because he supports gun control and stem cell research .
How are we supposed to protect our selfs.Did you know that he's spent more $ than every president combined?!? and he didn't say that he was against abortion?!?
I am pro choice.

Might I ask why? I am definitely pro-life, and I'd like to discuss this.
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| November 11, 2010, 11:05 am
Quoting buise k
personally i think he is not good for america, he is starting to become a dictator by taking the rights away of people, his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous. i am also against abortion to kill babys

Hey, someone who understands a lot of this.
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| November 11, 2010, 11:05 am
Quoting Captain Keyboard
Buise, I have to admit that I get angry sometimes too, and it's often hard to control our feelings that we know are right. I know that for the most part we dislike what Obama's doing with our country. But we can't just tear him apart. Jesus says to love our enemies; now, we can love Obama and at the same time not agree with his policies, but it's not necessary to rip him up. God's allowed him to become the president of our valuable country, and he may be tearing up us as Christians. But Jesus tore down the motive "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." When those who oppose us rip us apart, we don't rip them up in return. If we can control our anger and reply to an insult with a compliment, think of the impression we can make for the world!

Yes. Yes I say, someone with the right attitude. We need to address the wrong doings of our government officials, but do so in a respectful, loving manner. So I leave you with Romans 13:1-5 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is Godís servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are Godís servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience." Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's.
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| November 11, 2010, 11:14 am
Quoting Mudskipper 4
Might I ask why? I am definitely pro-life, and I'd like to discuss this.

Yeah, I am pro life too.
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| November 11, 2010, 11:45 am
Quoting buise k
personally i think he is not good for america, he is starting to become a dictator by taking the rights away of people, his dad is a terrorist thats what i heard and hes had parties before a few years ago with terrorists, and he has never had a real job, no leadership skills doesnt know how hard on us it is if he raises taxes and the U.S. is in Debt to china so much that we owe them as much as 75% of the U.S. because we keep borrowing money from them to give to the poor countries like north africa ect, and the U.S. doesnt have to play global cop with the world because history does repeat when World War II started the british could harldy defend themselves because they were trying to rule thier countries that they had conquered and this is what is happening today we have thousands of soldiers all over the world and in iraq i do believe that if we pull out of iraq it will make iraq worse but they should never have bombed iraq in the first place thats against the constitution and the goverment keeps rewriting the constitution so they can do whatever they want and if we to put an end to whats going on our country will become very bad and dangerous. i am also against abortion to kill babys

I agree with you. 1 i he wants guns ban.
2 he grew up in a muslim school.
thats all i got to say.
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| November 11, 2010, 1:13 pm
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
guys leave Obama alone, he is are President and, I am prity sure the F.B.I agents would not like it if u say mean things about him?!!

This is America, we're allowed to say whatever we want about Obama.
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| November 12, 2010, 9:21 am
Quoting Sergeant Matt of the Clan Ordo
Am I right about what abortion is?

Yes.
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| November 12, 2010, 9:24 am
Quoting Anders Hognerud
1: Do you have ANY form of proof that his father is a "terrorist"?
2: How the noodles do you know that he doesn't have any leadership skills?
3: Obama didn't make the U.S. indebted all by himself, did he? Did he even add any debt at all?
4: If you think aiding helpless countries is bad, why do you think it's bad to pull put of Iraq?
5: Editing the Costitution of a country is not done help criminals, but a last-resort to unlock options to make the country better.

Those are my questions/other stuff. Answer the questions. I want straight answers + proof.

1: He's not a terrorist. He's just a guy with a lot of of kids in a lot of countries. Proof, he has seven children in the U.S. and Africa.

2: He does have leadership skills, obviously he wouldn't be president. Maybe not ones that I, or certain people here agree with.

3: No not by himself. Yes he has added debt. Approximately three trillion in under two years. Bush increased the debt 4.9 trillion in two terms, that's eight years. Proof: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019931-503544.html

4: I personally don't think helping them is bad, just not as much. Pulling out of Iraq is different though, if you want to debate over why boys shouldn't die in the sands of Iraq for nothing then I can, but I'd rather not.

As for Obama partying with terrorists, he does have a good friend named Bill Ayers that bombed a few police stations.
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| November 12, 2010, 10:04 pm
Meh, he is a politician. No longer to be trusted. Since probably after WWII there has been 1-2 good presidents. After that, all politicians went down the drain. Also, there were some bad politicians and Presidents before WWII, but there were not as many.
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| November 14, 2010, 11:49 am
Quoting Boss Nass
Sorry buddy, but Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy are entire books of commandments. Jesus was asked which commandment was the greatest and He said it was to "love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength. Do you see that in the Ten Commandments? There's more than 10.

It's good that you have the time to write things like these. I'm here to learn, after all.



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| November 16, 2010, 1:10 am
So being with a terrorist automatically makes you a terrorist?

So it's safe to say all the people on the flights that struck down the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, and the field in Pennsylvania are terrorists too because they were with terrorists?
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| November 28, 2010, 9:34 pm
Quoting The world where the only thing that made sense is Pie
Well you gotta look at the big picture.

Terrorists are Muslims(most of the time.)

Most Muslims are NOT terrorists. Only a small percentage are the terrorists. Most Muslims are against the Terrorists.

Quoting The world where the only thing that made sense is Pie
and Muslims believe in God and somehow think they are doing God's will.

Allah is their name for him.

Quoting The world where the only thing that made sense is Pie
Terrorists are still God's children and we should love them and pray for them to see the light of what they are doing.

Exactly, they worship the same god, they are just dissolute to what is right, not all, just the terrorists.

(Not to insult anyone whom has lost a loved one from Terrorists.) Being with a Terrorist is not a sin. In fact in some cases it can be a gift. Praying for them could result in God taking action in their lives.

Yes, you are correct. We haz a winnerz.
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| November 28, 2010, 10:00 pm
Quoting The world where the only thing that made sense is Pie
I didn't know most terrorists are NOT Muslims.
In today's media controlled world we only hear "Muslims blew up this.""Muslims blew up that."
And thank you for supporting my view.

What I said was not all Muslims are Terrorists. The Muslim extremeists are the Terrorist. The general population does not support them. Only the Muslims are the Terrorists we are fighting.
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| November 28, 2010, 10:10 pm
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