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A region of the world where so much seems to go wrong. This thread is for anything that is happening there has happened or is related to the middle east.
What's going on, and why does it have such great effect on the countries both near and continents away? How are these countries dealing with it?
Debate.
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| August 28, 2013, 7:12 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
A region of the world where so much seems to go wrong. This thread is for anything that is happening there has happened or is related to the middle east.
What's going on, and why does it have such great effect on the countries both near and continents away? How are these countries dealing with it?
Debate.

An interesting topic. I know this may sound harsh, but i personally believe that the West should just let these people be. It's only been our intervention that has caused problems (or at least, made a semi-functioning system into a dysfunctional dystopia). The Middle East doesn't need to become like the West. I think certain nations have to learn that just becasue a system works for them doesn't been it's best for everyone.
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| August 28, 2013, 3:30 pm
The Middle East is a problematic region and the Shiite/Sunnis split just worsens it. I personally think that we should just pull out. The problem with pulling out however, is letting certain nations get too powerful and threaten us and our allies.
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| August 28, 2013, 11:03 pm
I too say that we should get out of their affairs.
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| August 29, 2013, 6:35 pm
The thing about Africa in general is that any country unwilling to kill people a dozen at a time to encourage their tribes to remain orderly is unlikely to hold together for long.

Things are usually pretty stable, but from time to time the tribe on top of the heap manages to tick people off enough that just killing a bunch of 'em isn't enough to make the rest sit down.

Which is what we've got now in Syria, among other places.



On that note, anyone else want to take bets on how long until Egypt implodes as well?
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| August 30, 2013, 1:16 am
I live in, and am from, this region, but in the peaceful area. Come to my house, look out of my bedroom, and you will see a tall, sharp, antenna-looking thing. That, my friends, is the WORLD'S TALLEST BUILDING.
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| August 30, 2013, 7:28 am
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What do yall think about intervening in Syria?
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| August 30, 2013, 4:40 pm
Quoting Michael K.
What do yall think about intervening in Syria?

Ha! (Laugh was sarcastic) Intervening? More like invading.
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| August 30, 2013, 4:48 pm
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Quoting Reaper the Ultimate .
Ha! (Laugh was sarcastic) Intervening? More like invading.

Not really, boots on the ground isn't being considered.
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| August 30, 2013, 4:53 pm
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Quoting City Creator (Time I Changed My Name)
Come to my house, look out of my bedroom, and you will see a tall, sharp, antenna-looking thing. That, my friends, is the WORLD'S TALLEST BUILDING.

Cool!
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| August 30, 2013, 4:54 pm
Quoting Reaper the Ultimate .
Ha! (Laugh was sarcastic) Intervening? More like invading.

Think it's pretty well established at this point that middle-eastern states can't be trusted to rule themselves.


Because if you think all those Russian toys are going to STAY in Syria once the latest lot of rebs takes over...



Of course, that's assuming the whole gas attack WAS actually carried out by the government.
The rebels are certainly gaining a lot more than they lost.
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| August 31, 2013, 11:45 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Think it's pretty well established at this point that middle-eastern states can't be trusted to rule themselves.


Interesting you should say that. I believe that they can rule themselves, if we (the West) just stayed out of it. They used to govern themselves without incident. Or we could just develop a Western Empire and rule with an iron fist. That would be fun

Quoting Areetsa C
Because if you think all those Russian toys are going to STAY in Syria once the latest lot of rebs takes over...


I can't really see Syrian Rebels executing large scale military strikes beyond their own borders

Quoting Areetsa C
Of course, that's assuming the whole gas attack WAS actually carried out by the government.
The rebels are certainly gaining a lot more than they lost.

Very true. One has to wonder if it wasn't all their doing to try to gain international support. But that's just me being the suspicious person that I am
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| August 31, 2013, 4:53 pm
Quoting Reaper the Ultimate .
Interesting you should say that. I believe that they can rule themselves, if we (the West) just stayed out of it. They used to govern themselves without incident. Or we could just develop a Western Empire and rule with an iron fist. That would be fun.

Yeah, while invading us every fifteen minutes. Ask a Hungarian about the Turks sometime; or perhaps a Spaniard about the Moors.

When they weren't killing themselves. The Turks, IIRC, couldn't change kings without a civil war.
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| September 2, 2013, 2:02 am
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Russia now says that they will provide a missile shield if Syria is attacked. And it looks like we will have to attack since Obama has painted us into a corner.
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| September 5, 2013, 6:44 pm
Quoting Michael K.
Russia now says that they will provide a missile shield if Syria is attacked. And it looks like we will have to attack since Obama has painted us into a corner.

They also said they would approve of an attack if it was evident that gas was not used by the rebellion.
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| September 5, 2013, 7:40 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
They also said they would approve of an attack if it was evident that gas was not used by the rebellion.

Lets put all this Syria talk over in the Syria debate; we can keep it much more organized...
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| September 6, 2013, 4:56 pm
Quoting City Creator (Time I Changed My Name)
I live in, and am from, this region, but in the peaceful area. Come to my house, look out of my bedroom, and you will see a tall, sharp, antenna-looking thing. That, my friends, is the WORLD'S TALLEST BUILDING.

you mean the burj kelefa
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| September 6, 2013, 9:49 pm
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Any thoughts about the new Iranian president? He seems to be a reasonable guy, unlike amadimajab, or whatever. Anyway, anyone think this is genuine, or just pretend?
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| September 24, 2013, 10:00 pm
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Any thoughts on the Iran deal? I don't know what it'll do, but I'm not hopeful.
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| December 3, 2013, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Michael K.
Any thoughts on the Iran deal? I don't know what it'll do, but I'm not hopeful.

I'm not sure. Cautious should be the tactic. Iran is pretty close to nukes, and unlike NK, it does have missiles it could use to launch them. Very delicate, and we must read the fine print...
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| December 3, 2013, 5:28 pm
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Quoting Achintya Prasad
I'm not sure. Cautious should be the tactic. Iran is pretty close to nukes, and unlike NK, it does have missiles it could use to launch them. Very delicate, and we must read the fine print...

I don't even know why we would do this. We got nothing in return, unless you believe they'll actually stop. Just as the sanctions were starting to choke them.
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| December 3, 2013, 5:35 pm
Quoting Michael K.
Any thoughts on the Iran deal? I don't know what it'll do, but I'm not hopeful.

"...peace for our time."
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| December 4, 2013, 9:53 am
The USA is not responsible for the wars across the world. Since WW1, we have joined wars, not started wars. ww2 was started for us because of pearl harbor. not because we made it. thats why we created the wa on terror, because we were bombed.(911) if it wasnt for that, we wouldn't be at war.
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| December 7, 2013, 3:37 pm
Quoting TRON 117
The USA is not responsible for the wars across the world. Since WW1, we have joined wars, not started wars. ww2 was started for us because of pearl harbor. not because we made it. thats why we created the wa on terror, because we were bombed.(911) if it wasnt for that, we wouldn't be at war.

Actually, the Japanese attacked us because we were threatening them if they attacked the Philippines.
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| December 7, 2013, 3:42 pm
Quoting TRON 117
The USA is not responsible for the wars across the world. Since WW1, we have joined wars, not started wars. ww2 was started for us because of pearl harbor. not because we made it. thats why we created the wa on terror, because we were bombed.(911) if it wasnt for that, we wouldn't be at war.

You should have a look in some other history books.
Until WWI youre correct.
WWII your not that innosence you might think. Well okay the nazis declare war on you, but the outbreaking war against japan is a little bit more complex than just the pearl harbor case.
Did north korea declare war on the USA
Did Vietnam declare war on you?
Did Serbia declare war on you?
Did the Iraq (in 1991) declare war on you?
Did Afghanistan declare war on you?
Did the Iraq (in 2003) declare war on you?

Besides those major conflicts there were a lot of smaller conflicts since 1945.
This is just a small selection where the united states of innocence (excuse this sarcasm) where attacked:
1945/49, CHINA
1945/53, PHILIPPINES
1946/49, GREECE
1950, PUERTO RICO
1953, IRAN
1954, GUATEMALA
1956, EGYPT
1958, LIBANON
1961, CUBA
1961, KONGO/ZAIRE
1962, LAOS
1972, HONDURAS
1973, CHILE
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| December 10, 2013, 4:36 am
Quoting Locutus 666

You shouldn't challenge an unarmed man to a battle of wits.

It's unbecoming.


Though quite a few of the conflicts you mentioned were attempts to counter the influence of the Soviets, which tends to act as something of a justification.
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| December 10, 2013, 4:53 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Though quite a few of the conflicts you mentioned were attempts to counter the influence of the Soviets, which tends to act as something of a justification.

Its possible the nature of war and warfare that someone wants to "justify" someone/something else.

The ironic of history is, if you go by the death count, the Al quaida is on the war on terror, not the US.
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| December 10, 2013, 5:47 am
Quoting Locutus 666
Its possible the nature of war and warfare that someone wants to "justify" someone/something else.

The ironic of history is, if you go by the death count, the Al quaida is on the war on terror, not the US.

Eh?
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| December 10, 2013, 5:51 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Eh?

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| December 10, 2013, 5:53 am
Quoting Locutus 666
?

Your post is incomprehensible.
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| December 10, 2013, 6:21 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Your post is incomprehensible.

its an answer to your comment about the list of actions of the USA.
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| December 10, 2013, 7:05 am
Quoting Locutus 666
its an answer to your comment about the list of actions of the USA.

An answer that makes no sense.
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| December 10, 2013, 7:22 am
I hear in the news that Comrade Jugears has finally confessed to stuffing up - though not in as many words.

Turns out letting ISIS run riot everywhere WASN'T a good idea.

One hears stories about how they've grabbed all sorts of military shinies that were left behind when the amerilanders ran away.
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| August 8, 2014, 1:22 am
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What should we do about the neo-nazis of ISIS in Iraq? From what I've heard, they're worse than other terrorists, and if they're not our problem now, they soon will be.
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| August 15, 2014, 12:46 am
Quoting Michael K.
What should we do about the neo-nazis of ISIS in Iraq? From what I've heard, they're worse than other terrorists, and if they're not our problem now, they soon will be.

Nuke em!
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| August 18, 2014, 12:03 am
Quoting Michael K.
What should we do about the neo-nazis of ISIS in Iraq? From what I've heard, they're worse than other terrorists, and if they're not our problem now, they soon will be.

They're pretty average.

Muslims have been running about murdering people since the very beginning.

That part of the map used to be the world's breadbasket once.
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| August 18, 2014, 4:26 am
Quoting Michael K.
What should we do about the neo-nazis of ISIS in Iraq? From what I've heard, they're worse than other terrorists, and if they're not our problem now, they soon will be.

That thing, what western nations (especially USA) always do in such cases.
Selling weapons to the "other side"...until they become the new bad guys.
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| September 9, 2014, 7:57 am
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