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Now, we all like to think that Russia and China are on good terms, right? Well, let me say this. Russia borders a country that has nuclear weapons (some estimates put the number of warheads at 3,000!) and a rising economy. China is bordering an old Soviet friend, and one with plenty of land and resources that a rising "superpower" might want. So, how would Russia fair in a war, both physically and economically, against China? Also, what side do you think that the US would take?


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| July 18, 2013, 10:21 pm
Well, it looks like we're just going to have to ban guns in America and pass some immigration reform.
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| July 18, 2013, 10:23 pm
I'd say that its most likely for China to engage on Russia, but the other way around is also a possibility as long as there are other countries involved.
But as far as China is concerned, things are going fine already and there isn't a major need to suck Russia into it's own territory.
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| July 18, 2013, 10:54 pm
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Quoting CY-EV .
Because past attempts to invade Russia have been soooo successful./sarcasm

Russia and China have been at it for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split

For the record, every time China tried to pull some stunt, Russia smacked them back down.

Uh, I dunno about that. Russia collapsed during WWI, and in WWII, managed to barely survive because of the incompetence of a certain Hitler, and the Russian winter.
China, on the other hand, know about that Russian winter; it very much could train troops in that climate.
Finally, the tables have turned has Russia has an economy that is not as powerful as China, and, in this case, you also have to look at strength of the military. Since both parties are using the same equipment, it all depends now on manpower, and quality of men.
Overall, It would be a tough one to decipher. Russia and China both have reasons for an invasion of the other's land, so.
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| July 22, 2013, 11:32 am
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Russia probably has slightly better weapons, but China has 9 times the people to draw manpower from, and the country with the most people always wins a long war, so China would win.
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| July 22, 2013, 1:23 pm
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Quoting CY-EV .
That's not always the case, as numbers don't count for much when those massive armies have poor equipment and not enough food (see North Korea).

I mean in WWII, if Hitler had been able to capture Moscow before the winter, he would have won. It was delaying the invasion to deal reprisals to the Czechs that was a critical factor. After that, the sheer manpower of the Red Army beat the superior German soldiers (in training) and usually superior equipment. The Nazis could have a 2-1 kill ratio, and still lost because the Soviets had nearly limitless manpower, and same in Vietnam. The US had a 10-1 kill ratio, and still lost to the overwhelming hordes of VC.
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| July 22, 2013, 10:36 pm
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Quoting CY-EV .

That's not always the case, as numbers don't count for much when those massive armies have poor equipment and not enough food (see North Korea).

Besides, Russia has the home-front advantage (people fight harder to defend their homes than to invade some foreign place they don't care about), and historically, all attempts to occupy the Motherland have been met with a brutal routing of the invaders.

This discussion reminds me of the highly sarcastic Russian song "Mao Tse-tung is a National Hero", mocking Red China's pathetic saber-rattling attempts at incursions into Soviet territory.

Note: I may be a bit biased, since I'm originally from Russia. I love my nation of birth as much as I love my adopted homeland of America, but I have no love for the governments of either. It's a complicated relationship.

I think, overall, I agree, as Russia does seem to have an overall upper hand, except in number of soldiers (though, once again, how much does that matter?) Interesting to think, though, where would the US stand? FOr Russia, or China, or neutral, or what?
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| July 22, 2013, 10:44 pm
Maybe the U.S would side with russia, after all right now the U.S does not have a very good standing with china.
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| July 22, 2013, 10:55 pm
Kind of like the U.S.A./Canada situation...
I'd say that China would invade Russia through corporate means rather than military, using their overwhelming wealth and power to gradually gain control.
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| July 23, 2013, 9:15 am
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Quoting CY-EV .
Ah, yes the ol' "Hitler would have won if he had done X" scenarios. If you really look at the factors in play at the time, the only way that the Nazis could have avoided ultimately losing was if they had more allies on their side and not tried to backstab Russia (which resulted in a two-front war for the Reich).

Well yes, that was the ultimate problem, they pitted themselves against the world. But the Blitzkrieg war is proven to be effective, many times the war was in the grasp of the Axis, while the larger countries were still stunned by the surprise attack, and hadn't got their industry going yet.
Quoting CY-EV .
I wonder how long it will be before the world realizes that Marxism/Socialism/Communism is just as much of a failed experiment?

Never. There are few who truly still believe in it. The people in power, because they care only about their own power, for the most part don't care whether it works, because they aren't the ones being hurt; they'll be gone before the whole system goes under. In the case of the US, and for example Greece, the low-information voters don't care. They just vote for the guy who gives out free phones, they don't know/care that the pot dries up eventually.
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| July 23, 2013, 9:25 am
It's not a question of which would run out of manpower first, it'd be more or less so: Which side does the EU and US side with?
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| July 23, 2013, 11:51 am
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Kind of like the U.S.A./Canada situation...
I'd say that China would invade Russia through corporate means rather than military, using their overwhelming wealth and power to gradually gain control.

Mayyyybbeee. No doubt that China is more powerful than Russia in terms of economy. But seeing the corruption in Russia (PUTIN!) could China take over, completely, the Russian economy?
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| July 23, 2013, 12:48 pm
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Quoting Bob the Almighty
It's not a question of which would run out of manpower first, it'd be more or less so: Which side does the EU and US side with?

Yeah. Thats a tough question, and one I am still trying to answer. On one side, the US/EU would side with the Russian, considering that China has been hacking both parties for years, and China is a threat in terms of the next "superpower". On the flip side, the US/EU would back China, as they rely on the Chinese industrial might, and they would be fighting an old Cold War Adversary.
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| July 23, 2013, 12:50 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Yeah. Thats a tough question, and one I am still trying to answer. On one side, the US/EU would side with the Russian, considering that China has been hacking both parties for years, and China is a threat in terms of the next "superpower". On the flip side, the US/EU would back China, as they rely on the Chinese industrial might, and they would be fighting an old Cold War Adversary.

I partially feel that the EU/US would try to stay out of it. On the other hand, South Korea and Japan may do something to China. (Japan physically can't). This would pull the US in and the EU would follow.
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| July 23, 2013, 12:52 pm
Nothing like a war to jumpstart an economy! (Or kill it)
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| July 23, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Quoting Bob the Almighty
I partially feel that the EU/US would try to stay out of it. On the other hand, South Korea and Japan may do something to China. (Japan physically can't). This would pull the US in and the EU would follow.

Well, that is a good point. SK and Japan would, hmm. Oh dear! This is really difficult to figure out! In Japan's case, they have to either go against a long time adversary, or, remember flight 007? In SK, remember their annoying sister up north? But then again, Russia has also backed NK, so. Man this is hard!
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| July 23, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Quoting Bob the Almighty
Nothing like a war to jumpstart an economy! (Or kill it)

Depends on who gets the artillery shell in the face.....
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| July 23, 2013, 1:02 pm
guys
RUSSIA = ex communism
CHINA = communism
how long do you think its gonna take for Russia to go back to its old ways
we just need to pray that no one wakes up old bear other wise we are all buggered
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| August 22, 2013, 5:48 pm
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