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Hmm. Okay, a topic that hopefully might catch something. We can pretend to no listen, but the fact is this: much of the world holds an Anti-American attitude. Even countries in Western Europe, close allies to the USA, have droves of people against the USA. What thoughts do you have to this? And to any international users of MOCpages, what do you think of the stars and stripes?
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| May 31, 2013, 2:26 pm
It's strange how a lot of foreigners regard US citizens as stereotyping dirtbags, when they themselves have just stereotyped.
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| May 31, 2013, 4:33 pm
Actually, generalized anti-american sentiment is something of a myth. It's a bit of internal politics devised to keep you on your toes. You would be surprised how much support you get from people even in countries where you acted like douches, imagine in the friendly ones.
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| May 31, 2013, 5:05 pm
Welfare, Social Security, and Healthcare spending MUST decrease...right now they have a "mandatory" increase in spending each year for those....those three things aren't discussed when talking about where to spend money...or the deficit....
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| May 31, 2013, 6:28 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Welfare, Social Security, and Healthcare spending MUST decrease...right now they have a "mandatory" increase in spending each year for those....those three things aren't discussed when talking about where to spend money...or the deficit....

I agree. We are cutting the wrong things. People are growing up in the richest country in the world, and for what? Just to sit around and do nothing? Ridiculous. We wind down spending for those programs, and give 35% of the budget to NASA, 40% to Defense, and you still have 25% to squander.
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| May 31, 2013, 8:16 pm
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Quoting Yuri Fassio
Actually, generalized anti-american sentiment is something of a myth. It's a bit of internal politics devised to keep you on your toes. You would be surprised how much support you get from people even in countries where you acted like douches, imagine in the friendly ones.

Hmm, we I am saying like, in several of our "allies" populations, we find that polls constantly claim that we aren't particularly favorable. Why though? We saved the English from the Nazis (they like to believe they single handedly stopped them, and lets just forget about Lend-Lease). We brought about everything in the field of Nuclear science. We stopped communism. We landed on the moon. We brought the world the internet, airplane, lightbulb, DC/AC currents, among so much that is required in the modern world. And for what? To be mocked about?
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| May 31, 2013, 8:19 pm
I found the USA Thread but I am also busy threatening people over in D&CII (speaking of war games, if anyone wants to help make one, my email is Zmackme14@yahoo.com for more info) and that is taking some attention so I really don't feel like barating the US govt right now. I will continue that later.
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| June 5, 2013, 6:19 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I found the USA Thread but I am also busy threatening people over in D&CII (speaking of war games, if anyone wants to help make one, my email is Zmackme14@yahoo.com for more info) and that is taking some attention so I really don't feel like barating the US govt right now. I will continue that later.

Alright, see you later I guess. Make sure you come back; I am interested in hearing the conspiracy theories.
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| June 5, 2013, 6:20 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Alright, see you later I guess. Make sure you come back; I am interested in hearing the conspiracy theories.

Oh I am just scraping the surface of my anti-US Gov't conspiracys that I know (don't believe them all, just some partway). I will be back. I am on summer vacation. The ramblings & ranting will continue.
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| June 5, 2013, 6:28 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Oh I am just scraping the surface of my anti-US Gov't conspiracys that I know (don't believe them all, just some partway). I will be back. I am on summer vacation. The ramblings & ranting will continue.

I am posed and ready. If your ideas of "government corruption" include the "Hoax Moon Landings", this will be REAL fun.
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| June 5, 2013, 6:32 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I am posed and ready. If your ideas of "government corruption" include the "Hoax Moon Landings", this will be REAL fun.

I am not that bad and I will NEVER accuse a gov't of falsifying scientific fact because that is an insult to science. I can however play a mean devil's advocate (someone who argues both sides) on the mooon hoax theory and have been responsible for my share of ragequits.
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| June 5, 2013, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I am not that bad and I will NEVER accuse a gov't of falsifying scientific fact because that is an insult to science. I can however play a mean devil's advocate (someone who argues both sides) on the mooon hoax theory and have been responsible for my share of ragequits.

Personally, I could never argue on the side that says the Moon landings were a hoax. The Mythbusters proved it happened. For kicks. So yeah.
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| June 6, 2013, 1:23 pm
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Quoting Achintya Prasad
Personally, I could never argue on the side that says the Moon landings were a hoax. The Mythbusters proved it happened. For kicks. So yeah.
Absolutely! I actually saw that episode.
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| June 6, 2013, 6:17 pm
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Okay, the Japs didn't want to attack the US mainland because, well have you SEEN the distance between Japan and its bases, and California? Exactly. They would WAY overreach themselves.
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| June 7, 2013, 2:44 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Okay, the Japs didn't want to attack the US mainland because, well have you SEEN the distance between Japan and its bases, and California? Exactly. They would WAY overreach themselves.
We attacked Japan, were we WAY overreaching ourselves?

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| June 7, 2013, 2:47 pm
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Quoting Arnas Scheel
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Okay, the Japs didn't want to attack the US mainland because, well have you SEEN the distance between Japan and its bases, and California? Exactly. They would WAY overreach themselves.
We attacked Japan, were we WAY overreaching ourselves?

I was waiting for you to say something like that. No, we didn't. How can I say that? Because A) we had well established bases thanks to the Island Hopping campaign B) the Imperial Navy had lost a whole lot of its power during the Coral and Philippine Sea battles. By that time in the war, we had A LOT of carrier in service, so.
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| June 7, 2013, 2:50 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I was waiting for you to say something like that. No, we didn't. How can I say that? Because A) we had well established bases thanks to the Island Hopping campaign B) the Imperial Navy had lost a whole lot of its power during the Coral and Philippine Sea battles. By that time in the war, we had A LOT of carrier in service, so.
But didn't you say that they had crippled many of the carriers?

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| June 7, 2013, 2:53 pm
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Quoting Arnas Scheel
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I was waiting for you to say something like that. No, we didn't. How can I say that? Because A) we had well established bases thanks to the Island Hopping campaign B) the Imperial Navy had lost a whole lot of its power during the Coral and Philippine Sea battles. By that time in the war, we had A LOT of carrier in service, so.
But didn't you say that they had crippled many of the carriers?

No I didn't. That was their goal. But the carriers, luckily, weren't in port at the time, so no carrier was destroyed at Pearl. We did eventually lose the Yorktown, and Wasp, but the Enterprise and Saratoga managed to pick up the slack until the new Essex class could be brought into service.
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| June 7, 2013, 2:55 pm
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Alright, Big D.
Firstly, I agree with you about the Native Americans (better name than Indians). American settlers, and even the military, forcefully removed them, and that was the close thing to "genocide". Be have since than corrected that; Native Americans are exempted from a few US laws, and have practically half the state of Arizona. Its not perfect, but its better.
You hate American culture? Don't look at it. A military build up? Take a look outside your rock, and you will find that Russia and China are doing the same thing.
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| June 10, 2013, 10:33 am
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I had just sent out that previous comment above me when you dared me so here we go.

Communism is an economic system where wealth is distributed evenly amongst the entire population. Examples include the USSR.
My grandfather was an Indian (from India) government official. Not really an ambassador, not sure how to explain his job. He actually visited the USSR. He said once, that when he was there, he saw several people in a line to a store. He asked one person, "What are you standing in line for?" The Russian answered. "I don't know, but I want whatever it is before it runs out". And thats it. Communism works in short time, but in the long run, no. People are less motivated to work, as they know they will still get the same amount of money. And how did Russia become communist? Ever heard of Joseph Stalin? Please look at yourself before insulting others.
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| June 10, 2013, 10:37 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Alright, Big D.
Firstly, I agree with you about the Native Americans (better name than Indians). American settlers, and even the military, forcefully removed them, and that was the close thing to "genocide". Be have since than corrected that; Native Americans are exempted from a few US laws, and have practically half the state of Arizona. Its not perfect, but its better.
You hate American culture? Don't look at it. A military build up? Take a look outside your rock, and you will find that Russia and China are doing the same thing.

I admit that Indians are treated better now, but gues why. They are not a bump on your nation's road any more.

And fact is - I only hate america because it is the greatest threat at the moment, while I am not at all fond of China and Russia, they are just the better bad alternatives.
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| June 10, 2013, 10:40 am
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I admit that Indians are treated better now, but gues why. They are not a bump on your nation's road any more.

And fact is - I only hate america because it is the greatest threat at the moment, while I am not at all fond of China and Russia, they are just the better bad alternatives.

No man. You are wrong. You think its fair that China can hack anyone it wants, and get away with it? Hmmmm? I ask you. Russia. Okay, firstly, you are (I think) from Eastern Europe. Ever heard Chechnya? Genocidal my, foot. Look at what the Russian did to them. And the Chinese? What did they do to Ching Kai Shek (know I misspelled that). Taiwan? Exactly, they are WORSE than the US.
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| June 10, 2013, 10:45 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
No man. You are wrong. You think its fair that China can hack anyone it wants, and get away with it? Hmmmm? I ask you. Russia. Okay, firstly, you are (I think) from Eastern Europe. Ever heard Chechnya? Genocidal my, foot. Look at what the Russian did to them. And the Chinese? What did they do to Ching Kai Shek (know I misspelled that). Taiwan? Exactly, they are WORSE than the US.
Worse? Undoubtfully. Affecting me? Not really. U.S.A. is directly affecting my life and I do not like that.

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| June 10, 2013, 11:15 am
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Quoting Achintya Prasad
No man. You are wrong. You think its fair that China can hack anyone it wants, and get away with it? Hmmmm? I ask you. Russia. Okay, firstly, you are (I think) from Eastern Europe. Ever heard Chechnya? Genocidal my, foot. Look at what the Russian did to them. And the Chinese? What did they do to Ching Kai Shek (know I misspelled that). Taiwan? Exactly, they are WORSE than the US.
Worse? Undoubtfully. Affecting me? Not really. U.S.A. is directly affecting my life and I do not like that.

And how is the USA hurting you? Are in Gitmo? Worse? Yeah, they are. China has condemned Taiwan, and may even move forward and invade. Thats worse.
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| June 10, 2013, 11:20 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
And how is the USA hurting you? Are in Gitmo? Worse? Yeah, they are. China has condemned Taiwan, and may even move forward and invade. Thats worse.

Their influence destroyed socialism. It is making everybody I know stupid. It is deteriorating my culture. And nobody even suspects it is as bad as it is.
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| June 10, 2013, 11:26 am
Maybe he's referring to Decisive Action? He's gonna WISH he were in GITMO by the time that's over!
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| June 10, 2013, 2:02 pm
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Quoting Achintya Prasad
when he was there, he saw several people in a line to a store. He asked one person, "What are you standing in line for?" The Russian answered. "I don't know, but I want whatever it is before it runs out". And thats it. Communism works in short time, but in the long run, no. People are less motivated to work, as they know they will still get the same amount of money.

Neil Boortz once visited some friends in the USSR, and their friends were government employees, so of rich compared to the peasants. Anyway, Neil's friend's wife went to some stands and shops to buy stuff to make soup. They bought some poor quality food (compared to us), and they were like, "yeah, this is how it works here."
When Neil's friends visited him in the US, the friend's wife saw all the cars on the road and was like "why there so many cars in America? Are all these people gov't officials?", to which the reply was, "no, everyone has a car in America.", and when she went to an American supermarket she just stood at the door crying, because she'd never seen so much food in the Soviet Union.
Just an interesting story related to yours.
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| June 10, 2013, 2:07 pm
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Quoting El Barto !
Maybe he's referring to Decisive Action? He's gonna WISH he were in GITMO by the time that's over!

lol. Decisive Action is, well. Ugh. Back on task people! USA??
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| June 10, 2013, 2:08 pm
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Quoting michael k.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
when he was there, he saw several people in a line to a store. He asked one person, "What are you standing in line for?" The Russian answered. "I don't know, but I want whatever it is before it runs out". And thats it. Communism works in short time, but in the long run, no. People are less motivated to work, as they know they will still get the same amount of money.

Neil Boortz once visited some friends in the USSR, and their friends were government employees, so of rich compared to the peasants. Anyway, Neil's friend's wife went to some stands and shops to buy stuff to make soup. They bought some poor quality food (compared to us), and they were like, "yeah, this is how it works here."
When Neil's friends visited him in the US, the friend's wife saw all the cars on the road and was like "why there so many cars in America? Are all these people gov't officials?", to which the reply was, "no, everyone has a car in America.", and when she went to an American supermarket she just stood at the door crying, because she'd never seen so much food in the Soviet Union.
Just an interesting story related to yours.

And that, my friend, is the point. Communism has a good theory: eliminate poverty. But it means at the expensive of the basic amenities of life. Society is stopped; and the government controls almost all aspects of life.
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| June 10, 2013, 2:23 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Their influence destroyed socialism. It is making everybody I know stupid. It is deteriorating my culture. And nobody even suspects it is as bad as it is.

Firstly, what country do you live in? Next, it. Hmm. Culture is based on the people. It depends on the people. YOU can decide to keep your culture going or not. You will find people that want to follow you. YOU are simply blaming a country (that I am supposing) is thousands of miles away. Their influence is great; but you are an individual. And you can make a difference, if you choose to do so. DON'T go out and condemn others, as it makes not a single bit of difference.
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| June 10, 2013, 2:25 pm
well i support the U.S but i am against some of the things and operations they are doing
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| June 10, 2013, 2:48 pm
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Quoting navy person
well i support the U.S but i am against some of the things and operations they are doing

Can you be more specific?
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| June 10, 2013, 3:20 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Their influence destroyed socialism.
You are for socialism?

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| June 10, 2013, 5:51 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
And fact is - I only hate america because it is the greatest threat at the moment, while I am not at all fond of China and Russia, they are just the better bad alternatives.
So basically because you think America is a "threat" and because it destroyed socialism you hate it? America isn't a threat....

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| June 10, 2013, 5:54 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Their influence destroyed socialism.
You are for socialism?

Not per se, but it is required to reach communism.
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| June 10, 2013, 5:55 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
And fact is - I only hate america because it is the greatest threat at the moment, while I am not at all fond of China and Russia, they are just the better bad alternatives.
So basically because you think America is a "threat" and because it destroyed socialism you hate it? America isn't a threat....

I like my nation too much for it to be a tiny part of a giant superpower.

I hate how p3ople love america and how they have no idea what it is.
And I hate how blind its citiens are, absolutely uncritical towards its regime. And everything is so obvious...

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| June 10, 2013, 6:01 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Not per se, but it is required to reach communism.

And we all want communism, don't we. I am guessing you were around when Russia was part of the communist-driven USSR.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:06 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I like my nation too much for it to be a tiny part of a giant superpower.

I hate how p3ople love america and how they have no idea what it is.
And I hate how blind its citiens are, absolutely uncritical towards its regime. And everything is so obvious...

So what is? If its so obvious, from the eyes of a pro-communist person, what is the USA (this should be interesting, as I imagine that it is incredibly anti-american).
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| June 10, 2013, 6:07 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I had just sent out that previous comment above me when you dared me so here we go.

Communism is an economic system where wealth is distributed evenly amongst the entire population. Examples include the USSR.
My grandfather was an Indian (from India) government official. Not really an ambassador, not sure how to explain his job. He actually visited the USSR. He said once, that when he was there, he saw several people in a line to a store. He asked one person, "What are you standing in line for?" The Russian answered. "I don't know, but I want whatever it is before it runs out". And thats it. Communism works in short time, but in the long run, no. People are less motivated to work, as they know they will still get the same amount of money. And how did Russia become communist? Ever heard of Joseph Stalin? Please look at yourself before insulting others.

Have you ever heard of Karl Marx? He wrote about communism. And socialism.

Guess which of those has never existed.

By the way, did you know that communism does not mean same amount of money for everyone? It means no money, no possession, just necessary requirements given to those qualified to use them. In brief, brief, brief version. You think you know something about communism? Nobody does, beause it was so twisted by propaganda on both sides thatwere afraid of it and did their best to kill it before it could start.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:09 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I hate how p3ople love america and how they have no idea what it is.
And I hate how blind its citiens are, absolutely uncritical towards its regime. And everything is so obvious...
Oh? I know plenty of what America is - the things that are good, and the things that are bad.

Yes, many people are blind to it all.

I know plenty of people how are critical towards our regime. Myself included.
I could make a super long list...but that would take too much time.

I'm considering writing a book on one of the faults - Separation of Church and State.

That in itself has caused countless problems.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:10 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Have you ever heard of Karl Marx? He wrote about communism. And socialism.

Guess which of those has never existed.

By the way, did you know that communism does not mean same amount of money for everyone? It means no money, no possession, just necessary requirements given to those qualified to use them. In brief, brief, brief version. You think you know something about communism? Nobody does, beause it was so twisted by propaganda on both sides thatwere afraid of it and did their best to kill it before it could start.

Firstly, yes I do know of Karl Marx. I believe Stalin took his ideas, if I am not mistaken (please don't tell me you admire that mustachioed man). Now, no money. This sounds dangerously close to Star Trek. But here is the thing. If there is not money, what encourages people to make advancements, and other wise forward human endeavor? The USSR's space program, for instance, was based off a jailed Russian who was let out and forced to be chief engineer, or go back to life's time of hard labour. Communist countries, generally, have a violent beginning history (like all countries), but they continue to have serious shortages of, everything.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:15 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
And we all want communism, don't we. I am guessing you were around when Russia was part of the communist-driven USSR.

Many communists are some the most dedicated people you'll ever meet in the world.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:17 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Not per se, but it is required to reach communism.

Ah, but communism will never be reached because of human nature.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:18 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Many communists are some the most dedicated people you'll ever meet in the world.

How long did the Soviet Union last, in comparison the USA again? There were protest, but each and every one was suppressed by the total control of media and freedom of speech. In the modern era, where people need the internet (though they don't), no freedom of speech may cause people to stop being dedicated.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:22 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Ah, but communism will never be reached because of human nature.

Which one?
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| June 10, 2013, 6:22 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Which one?

Eh?
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| June 10, 2013, 6:23 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Eh?

Never mind. Continue.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:26 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
How long did the Soviet Union last, in comparison the USA again? There were protest, but each and every one was suppressed by the total control of media and freedom of speech. In the modern era, where people need the internet (though they don't), no freedom of speech may cause people to stop being dedicated.

You don't quite understand. Communism has never been reached....it went through socialism - because that's the only way to communism. That's what the Soviet Union experienced - Socialism.

True communists - not the ones who were forced communists - are extremely dedicated. They are willing to sacrifice for the cause. They wake up each day thinking about the jobs they will be doing for Communism. They train people to become leaders. They really show the speak it and live it principle.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:28 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
You don't quite understand. Communism has never been reached....it went through socialism - because that's the only way to communism. That's what the Soviet Union experienced - Socialism.

True communists - not the ones who were forced communists - are extremely dedicated. They are willing to sacrifice for the cause. They wake up each day thinking about the jobs they will be doing for Communism. They train people to become leaders. They really show the speak it and live it principle.

You pro-communist as well? Dang, J. Edgar Hoover would shout with glee. And then shut everyone down. What is a "pure" communist state then?
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| June 10, 2013, 6:34 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
You don't quite understand. Communism has never been reached....it went through socialism - because that's the only way to communism. That's what the Soviet Union experienced - Socialism.

True communists - not the ones who were forced communists - are extremely dedicated. They are willing to sacrifice for the cause. They wake up each day thinking about the jobs they will be doing for Communism. They train people to become leaders. They really show the speak it and live it principle.

Thank you for the compliment. This brings me to the point: not enough people in the CCCP were communists, so they never came to the end of socialism. And now it can not even start anew, because everybody is even more afraid of it than 100 years ago.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:35 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
So what is? If its so obvious, from the eyes of a pro-communist person, what is the USA (this should be interesting, as I imagine that it is incredibly anti-american).

I can give you a few guidelines to think about before I go to sleep. Have you ever heard of the middle east? It is a wonderful oil-rich place of interest for your country where it imposes its political and even religious beliefs because they would make the people there more cooperant and thus easier to control and steal from.

You people are so paranoid to lose what you have that you think everything that is diferent from your system has to be bad. But mostly it is not the people's fault, it is just that your government is so afraid it brainwashes and scares you to stay alive. Much like a living organism, but that is the hidden sociology that is not taught in schools for fear of people knowing what is going on.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:41 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
You pro-communist as well? Dang, J. Edgar Hoover would shout with glee. And then shut everyone down. What is a "pure" communist state then?

Nope, I'm not pro-communist.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:51 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
And now it can not even start anew, because everybody is even more afraid of it than 100 years ago.
Even more reason why the people who do join the party are outstanding people.

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| June 10, 2013, 6:51 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I can give you a few guidelines to think about before I go to sleep. Have you ever heard of the middle east? It is a wonderful oil-rich place of interest for your country where it imposes its political and even religious beliefs because they would make the people there more cooperant and thus easier to control and steal from.

You people are so paranoid to lose what you have that you think everything that is diferent from your system has to be bad. But mostly it is not the people's fault, it is just that your government is so afraid it brainwashes and scares you to stay alive. Much like a living organism, but that is the hidden sociology that is not taught in schools for fear of people knowing what is going on.

Ever heard of other oil fields? Gulf of Mexico, Texas? If it came to it, the US would mine its own oil; it just prefers to "help" the Middle East. By the way, am I the one that lives close to a country that has waged war against Chechnya, and a country that insists on arming dangerous governments and terrorist worldwide?
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| June 10, 2013, 6:54 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
And now it can not even start anew, because everybody is even more afraid of it than 100 years ago.
Even more reason why the people who do join the party are outstanding people.

You sure you aren't pro-communist? Communism DOES NOT WORK. Not only because we can't get there, but also because IT REQUIRES YOU TO SPREAD OUT A SMALL AMOUNT OF SUPPLIES TO AN ENTIRE POPULATION.
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| June 10, 2013, 6:56 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I can give you a few guidelines to think about before I go to sleep. Have you ever heard of the middle east? It is a wonderful oil-rich place of interest for your country where it imposes its political and even religious beliefs because they would make the people there more cooperant and thus easier to control and steal from.

You people are so paranoid to lose what you have that you think everything that is diferent from your system has to be bad. But mostly it is not the people's fault, it is just that your government is so afraid it brainwashes and scares you to stay alive. Much like a living organism, but that is the hidden sociology that is not taught in schools for fear of people knowing what is going on.

I just moderated your comment to me twice, before giving up and deleting it. That is ridiculous. Never in my life have I been more insulted and more annoyed, and frankly, more lied to then that moment. Horrible comment. I usually allow whatever comment to go through, but that was just a flat out attack on me. One warning my friend; I like this group, and I like that you are expressing your thoughts, but the way you stated that was less than admirable.
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| June 10, 2013, 7:00 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
You sure you aren't pro-communist? Communism DOES NOT WORK. Not only because we can't get there, but also because IT REQUIRES YOU TO SPREAD OUT A SMALL AMOUNT OF SUPPLIES TO AN ENTIRE POPULATION.

Maybe I should have said "become outstanding people."

Yes, I assure you, I am in no way for communists. The teaching sounds great - but it is impossible to achieve because it degrades the human being and there is sin in the world. They basically strive for a heaven on earth. It'll never happen as long as sin is in the world. I do believe, however, there are many techniques that the communists use that are useful to study.

I suggest the book, "Dedication and Leadership"
http://www.amazon.com/Dedication-And-Leadership-Douglas-Hyde/dp/0268000735/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370906372&sr=8-1&keywords=Dedication+and+Leadership

If everyone were dedicated, the spreading of supplies wouldn't be a problem. Just saying.
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| June 10, 2013, 7:03 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Maybe I should have said "become outstanding people."

Yes, I assure you, I am in no way for communists. The teaching sounds great - but it is impossible to achieve because it degrades the human being and there is sin in the world. They basically strive for a heaven on earth. It'll never happen as long as sin is in the world. I do believe, however, there are many techniques that the communists use that are useful to study.

I suggest the book, "Dedication and Leadership"
http://www.amazon.com/Dedication-And-Leadership-Douglas-Hyde/dp/0268000735/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370906372&sr=8-1&keywords=Dedication+and+Leadership

If everyone were dedicated, the spreading of supplies wouldn't be a problem. Just saying.

Communist farming. The sarcasm is much appreciated. Communism is impossible. Simple as that. Earth CAN NOT sustain such a society. When space travel happens, then MAYBE. But now? Do you know that cost having to establish a "successful" communist state? Also, let me ask you, do you want a government that controls everything from imports/exports, to the military, to even your "freedom" of speech? If so, then you are communist. If you answered no, then you DO NOT support communism.

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| June 10, 2013, 7:06 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Communist farming. The sarcasm is much appreciated. Communism is impossible. Simple as that. Earth CAN NOT sustain such a society. When space travel happens, then MAYBE. But now? Do you know that cost having to establish a "successful" communist state? Also, let me ask you, do you want a government that controls everything from imports/exports, to the military, to even your "freedom" of speech? If so, then you are communist. If you answered no, then you DO NOT support communism.
Dude, I know quite a bit about communism. I don't see where I was being sarcastic....

Anyway, no, as I said before, I do not in any way support communism. Their techniques are worth studying. I would not like for the government to control everything - that would be against communism anyway, but whatever.
Communists try to get to the perfect place that they think will exist if they try hard enough.

Of course, there are other reasons why communism is bad.

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| June 10, 2013, 7:10 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Communist farming. The sarcasm is much appreciated. Communism is impossible. Simple as that. Earth CAN NOT sustain such a society. When space travel happens, then MAYBE. But now? Do you know that cost having to establish a "successful" communist state? Also, let me ask you, do you want a government that controls everything from imports/exports, to the military, to even your "freedom" of speech? If so, then you are communist. If you answered no, then you DO NOT support communism.
Dude, I know quite a bit about communism. I don't see where I was being sarcastic....

Anyway, no, as I said before, I do not in any way support communism. Their techniques are worth studying. I would not like for the government to control everything - that would be against communism anyway, but whatever.
Communists try to get to the perfect place that they think will exist if they try hard enough.

Of course, there are other reasons why communism is bad.

Dang, Yuri was right. We DO need a sarcasm font face. Anyways, I don't doubt your intellect, just the way you are expressing, and interpreting it. Communism, as I have said before, have a good moral center; keep everything equal. Its what people want. But our current life style, the one where you wake up, debate some on a LEGO website (boy is the a crazy world), enjoy air conditioning, go shopping (for LEGO not clothes), those things can't happen if everyone is equal.
Personally, I think that Star Trek's UFP was a good idea. No real 'money' and everyone worked to better themselves. And the government was very much in favor of freedom, etc. But our current population is not ready, on a mental level, for such change. You have the rich, how work for whatever cause for money (which is a bad thing).
Overall, Communism, and its supporting government, is a bad idea. BUT its concept of, making everyone equal, is appealing, I must say. Otherwise, its a bad idea.
Gorbachev FTW!

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| June 10, 2013, 10:28 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad

Gorbachev FTW!
That dude threw humanity back for centuries. He is an enemy of the whole humanity and no punishment is strong enough to attone for the crimes he has made.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:10 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Quoting Achintya Prasad

Gorbachev FTW!
That dude threw humanity back for centuries. He is an enemy of the whole humanity and no punishment is strong enough to attone for the crimes he has made.

Crimes like Glasnost? Or the fall of the Berlin Wall? Or the collapse of Communist Russia? Or his opposition to Putin and Medvedev?
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| June 11, 2013, 1:12 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Crimes like Glasnost? Or the fall of the Berlin Wall? Or the collapse of Communist Russia? Or his opposition to Putin and Medvedev?

The collapse, mostly.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:17 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
The collapse, mostly.

Commie Russia did some pretty horrific things in its relatively short and violent history (its successor has as well, which I will get to). Mostly, though, it was rooted with Stalin. And the KGB. All of it. Putin. Dang it.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:18 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Commie Russia did some pretty horrific things in its relatively short and violent history (its successor has as well, which I will get to). Mostly, though, it was rooted with Stalin. And the KGB. All of it. Putin. Dang it.

It did. Not all of it was necessary, but they were getting through it and then it all fell apart. They were slowly getting closer and closer to communism, as expected, but then he just ended it. Kind of ruined the chances for Communism in the future.

Look at what all the North Korea must do to keep socialism alive. If people had just left it alone, they could stop their military force expansion and concentrate on other reforms.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:29 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
It did. Not all of it was necessary, but they were getting through it and then it all fell apart. They were slowly getting closer and closer to communism, as expected, but then he just ended it. Kind of ruined the chances for Communism in the future.

Look at what all the North Korea must do to keep socialism alive. If people had just left it alone, they could stop their military force expansion and concentrate on other reforms.

North Korea is something else. It. It calls its self the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)" but literally every word in that title is wrong.Though, more discussion of that in the NK thread.

Now, after chatting with my grandfather, he has confirmed that it was in fact a total communist state, until Gorbachev (FTW). Something as "tiny" as bread was made by the Soviet's government.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:34 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Now, after chatting with my grandfather, he has confirmed that it was in fact a total communist state, until Gorbachev (FTW). Something as "tiny" as bread was made by the Soviet's government.

Does HE know what he is talking about?
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| June 11, 2013, 1:37 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Does HE know what he is talking about?

Thats an insult. I will make sure he knows about that. And considering he held an important position in the Indian Government, and later in various steel corporations across India, yes he is very much informed with what he is talking about.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:40 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Thats an insult. I will make sure he knows about that. And considering he held an important position in the Indian Government, and later in various steel corporations across India, yes he is very much informed with what he is talking about.

That was not an insult. It is nothing special to know what communism is and if you see something and are falsely told what it is, who can blame you for being un(or mis-)informed?
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| June 11, 2013, 1:43 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
That was not an insult. It is nothing special to know what communism is and if you see something and are falsely told what it is, who can blame you for being un(or mis-)informed?

He was Secretary to the Government of India. And you want to argue with that? During his visits, he was often requested, by people in the Indian Embassy, to bring small things such as toothpaste and shavers because they simply weren't available in ample supply. This was during Gorbachev (FTW). It was TRUE communism.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:45 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
He was Secretary to the Government of India. And you want to argue with that? During his visits, he was often requested, by people in the Indian Embassy, to bring small things such as toothpaste and shavers because they simply weren't available in ample supply. This was during Gorbachev (FTW). It was TRUE communism.

You are failing to understand taht communism can not be treated as such until it works. Socialism is something else.

Now please, will you stop talking about socialism and start talking about communism?

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| June 11, 2013, 1:47 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
You are failing to understand taht communism can not be treated as such until it works. Socialism is something else.

Now please, will you stop talking about socialism and start talking about communism?

My god man, the Soviet Union was COMMUNIST. It didn't work out because communism DOESN'T work.
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| June 11, 2013, 1:50 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
My god man, the Soviet Union was COMMUNIST. It didn't work out because communism DOESN'T work.

Thats not correct. The world didnt see a state with real communism yet. The sovyet union was some kind of stalinism.

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| June 11, 2013, 3:46 pm
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Quoting Locutus 666
Thats not correct. The world didnt see a state with real communism yet. The sovyet union was some kind of stalinism.

Stalinism. Hm. Would that not only apply to the time in which Stalin was in control? The USSR changed a lot between each ruler.
I am starting to read that many people consider the Soviets as "socialist", which is what Big D. is saying. However, it was, for at least a short time, communist. It, it kinda was like state run capitalist society.

For those of you who think that "real communism" hasn't reached Earth yet, how can you say that? How do you know what "real communism" is, if you haven't experience it? I am sorry, but this is getting ridiculous.
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| June 11, 2013, 3:51 pm
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Take a look at this link (yes, I post a lot of them; but its just backing for my claims) and take your pick.
http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-the-ussr-socialist
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| June 11, 2013, 4:32 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Stalinism. Hm. Would that not only apply to the time in which Stalin was in control? The USSR changed a lot between each ruler.
I am starting to read that many people consider the Soviets as "socialist", which is what Big D. is saying. However, it was, for at least a short time, communist. It, it kinda was like state run capitalist society.

For those of you who think that "real communism" hasn't reached Earth yet, how can you say that? How do you know what "real communism" is, if you haven't experience it? I am sorry, but this is getting ridiculous.

Karl Marx f.e. wrote a theorie about communism. The real exisitng communisms didnt "reach" the stadium he was thinking of. But there were some versions of it like stalism, maoism and chuch'e (north corea).
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| June 11, 2013, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Locutus 666
Karl Marx f.e. wrote a theorie about communism. The real exisitng communisms didnt "reach" the stadium he was thinking of. But there were some versions of it like stalism, maoism and chuch'e (north corea).

North Korea is, well. Its spelled with a 'K'. And its probably the most backward, confusing country to ever exist. Its economic system is basically "Give all to the Eternal Leader, and that fat guy Kim Jong Un"/

Now, the USSR WAS communist, at least briefly. Though it seems that some of the time was given to socialism. But I think we can both agree that in the end, neither worked.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:18 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
You are failing to understand taht communism can not be treated as such until it works. Socialism is something else.

Now please, will you stop talking about socialism and start talking about communism?

Let me ask you a question. Are you Anti-American? Kinda random, I just wanna know.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:24 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad

Now, the USSR WAS communist, at least briefly. Though it seems that some of the time was given to socialism. But I think we can both agree that in the end, neither worked.

The USSR was communist in the beginning, but its people were not communist, so they had to go through socialism. Which they did not go through completely.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:34 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
The USSR was communist in the beginning, but its people were not communist, so they had to go through socialism. Which they did not go through completely.

...Which is my point. See, we can agree!
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| June 11, 2013, 5:36 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
"real communism"

Communism is a theory that is completely explained. If it is something else, you call it something else.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:36 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
...Which is my point. See, we can agree!

Not really, but at least you now know that what you were talking is socialism, on which we probably disagree more than it is even humanly possible.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:37 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Communism is a theory that is completely explained. If it is something else, you call it something else.

So the USSR WAS originally Communist.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:37 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Not really, but at least you now know that what you were talking is socialism, on which we probably disagree more than it is even humanly possible.

Really? You are just going to, undermine, the further cooperation between the USA and Slovenia?
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| June 11, 2013, 5:38 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Let me ask you a question. Are you Anti-American? Kinda random, I just wanna know.

I absolutely am. But that is just a sub-state of hating almost evertything.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:39 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Really? You are just going to, undermine, the further cooperation between the USA and Slovenia?

The only way I can affect the cooperation of U.S.A. and Slovenija is in Decisive Action, and even that is only roleplaying.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:41 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
So the USSR WAS originally Communist.

The closest a country ever got to it.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:43 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I absolutely am. But that is just a sub-state of hating almost evertything.

Why is that?
Also, are you one of those that thinks that Russia and China are WAY better than the USA?
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| June 11, 2013, 5:46 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
The closest a country ever got to it.

And it failed. Spectacularly.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:47 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Why is that?
Also, are you one of those that thinks that Russia and China are WAY better than the USA?

They are. And at least they tell somebody what they want them to do. that way it is still possible to ask friends to help. Unlike with the assimilating imperialism of U.S.A.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:52 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
And it failed. Spectacularly.

Yeah. Curse Gorbachov.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:52 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Yeah. Curse Gorbachov.

Uh, no. If you want to stay true to your word, the Soviets, by that time, were Socialist, NOT Communist (if you are correct). So Gorbachev ISN'T the problem here. Also, what wrong did he do? HE OFFERED FREEDOMS. Is that not what you want? If it is, it explains a lot.

Looks, I think that you are starting to look at propaganda a bit too much. You have called the US poor (on no viable grounds), you have promoted the sure-to-never-work Communism, and you have, finally, denounced the only Russian leader, in my recent memory, to show initiative and get things down for the good.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:56 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Uh, no. If you want to stay true to your word, the Soviets, by that time, were Socialist, NOT Communist (if you are correct). So Gorbachev ISN'T the problem here. Also, what wrong did he do? HE OFFERED FREEDOMS. Is that not what you want? If it is, it explains a lot.

Looks, I think that you are starting to look at propaganda a bit too much. You have called the US poor (on no viable grounds), you have promoted the sure-to-never-work Communism, and you have, finally, denounced the only Russian leader, in my recent memory, to show initiative and get things down for the good.

For good. To stop socialism from msking the people ready for communism?

He wanted power and he got taht power. He thought USSR leaders were just evil dictators who killed everybody they wanted to. Which is not true.
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| June 11, 2013, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
For good. To stop socialism from msking the people ready for communism?

He wanted power and he got taht power. He thought USSR leaders were just evil dictators who killed everybody they wanted to. Which is not true.

Ever heard of Stalin and the KGB?
I don't want to sound insulting, but frankly, come out of your box. Communism wouldn't work. Nuclear weapons, the threat of MAD, and you think "paradise" can survive there. That is beyond a lot of things I have heard.

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| June 11, 2013, 6:04 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Ever heard of Stalin and the KGB?
I don't want to sound insulting, but frankly, come out of your box. Communism wouldn't work. Nuclear weapons, the threat of MAD, and you think "paradise" can survive there. That is beyond a lot of things I have heard.

Dude. Socialism can be very good, very medium, or very bad. But in any case it serves the same porpouse the same amount, and that is getting people ready for communism. That is why it is the necessary evil.

But you are also forgetting one more thing: we are both talking about USSR all the time. Now look at Russia and the Russian empire. The same thing. It is not a thing of system, it is a thing of people. They either need anarchy or dictatorship, which Lenin did not know, because he had no other political order to compare his own to, except for imperialist Russia.
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| June 11, 2013, 6:08 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Dude. Socialism can be very good, very medium, or very bad. But in any case it serves the same porpouse the same amount, and that is getting people ready for communism. That is why it is the necessary evil.

But you are also forgetting one more thing: we are both talking about USSR all the time. Now look at Russia and the Russian empire. The same thing. It is not a thing of system, it is a thing of people. They either need anarchy or dictatorship, which Lenin did not know, because he had no other political order to compare his own to, except for imperialist Russia.

You keep throwing up that the Soviets were never Communist, right? Well let me ask you, what is a commune? And did the Reds have a little something called, Collective (or communist) farming?
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| June 11, 2013, 7:44 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
You keep throwing up that the Soviets were never Communist, right? Well let me ask you, what is a commune? And did the Reds have a little something called, Collective (or communist) farming?

And I call myself farting unicorn on a pogo stick. What is your point?
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| June 12, 2013, 4:02 am
you are all wrong from my point of view I believe in a world that is a true paradise
a world with no rules and no regulations
a world of ANARCHY
that is true peace
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| June 12, 2013, 11:49 am
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
And I call myself farting unicorn on a pogo stick. What is your point?

The Soviets were, indeed, Communist. And, after taking a quick look at a globe, (one that was recently purchased) I see no country in the continent of Asia OR Europe under the name, "USSR".
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| June 12, 2013, 12:34 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
The Soviets were, indeed, Communist. And, after taking a quick look at a globe, (one that was recently purchased) I see no country in the continent of Asia OR Europe under the name, "USSR".

You know, pretending not to get it does not give your own arguments much wheight.
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| June 12, 2013, 12:43 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
You know, pretending not to get it does not give your own arguments much wheight.

Sir, you didn't answer the question. Did the USSR have collective farming? Is that not a trait for a Communist country? I would recommend facts, not insults.
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| June 12, 2013, 12:45 pm
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Quoting kaeleb appleyard
you are all wrong from my point of view I believe in a world that is a true paradise
a world with no rules and no regulations
a world of ANARCHY
that is true peace

Anarchy and peace are antonyms. "No rules and regulations". Those rules and regulations are there for the good of the people; not to be oppressive (for the most part NK!).
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| June 12, 2013, 12:49 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Sir, you didn't answer the question. Did the USSR have collective farming? Is that not a trait for a Communist country? I would recommend facts, not insults.

Yes. It had some characteristics of communism. Democracy has many charasteristics of communism too. In fact, you can interpretate communism as democracy or anarchy (which is not an antonym of peace, it just means that there is no ruler and/or ruling party).
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| June 12, 2013, 1:45 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Yes. It had some characteristics of communism. Democracy has many charasteristics of communism too. In fact, you can interpretate communism as democracy or anarchy (which is not an antonym of peace, it just means that there is no ruler and/or ruling party).

What? Okay, a democracy HAS a ruler. And, if you want a "strict" communist state, you have NO ruler. How is that the same?
The fight between democracy/capitalism and Communism nearly destroyed the world. How are they the same thing, and how can you defend a system that you claim didn't happen, but is also excellent?
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| June 12, 2013, 3:17 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
What? Okay, a democracy HAS a ruler. And, if you want a "strict" communist state, you have NO ruler. How is that the same?
The fight between democracy/capitalism and Communism nearly destroyed the world. How are they the same thing, and how can you defend a system that you claim didn't happen, but is also excellent?

First off, I did not say they were the same.

And secondly, I have read The Capital. That way I am a good candidate to defend communism.
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| June 12, 2013, 3:33 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
First off, I did not say they were the same.

And secondly, I have read The Capital. That way I am a good candidate to defend communism.

"The Capital". Hmm. Sorry for not knowing, but what is that (no disrespect, I honestly have no idea what you are on about).
Communism, its been tried, and it doesn't work. Point me to a working, actual communist country, and then I will be satisfied.

Trouble is that there aren't any.
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| June 12, 2013, 3:38 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
"The Capital". Hmm. Sorry for not knowing, but what is that (no disrespect, I honestly have no idea what you are on about).
Communism, its been tried, and it doesn't work. Point me to a working, actual communist country, and then I will be satisfied.

Trouble is that there aren't any.

TheCapital (Das Kapital) is a book. By Karl Marx. About how capitalism does not work and what has to be done.

Also, communism does not exist yet because it can not be forced onto people overnight. The country that was in the process of making it happen for the longest time had its process interrupted.

Your attitude is something like being against cure for cancer because we do not have it yet.
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| June 12, 2013, 3:45 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
TheCapital (Das Kapital) is a book. By Karl Marx. About how capitalism does not work and what has to be done.

Also, communism does not exist yet because it can not be forced onto people overnight. The country that was in the process of making it happen for the longest time had its process interrupted.

Your attitude is something like being against cure for cancer because we do not have it yet.

Not a good analogy. Firstly, cancer is a disease; and one that kills thousands each year. I advocate for a cure, so.
Communism, on the other hand, or its attempt to get to its ''perfection'' has killed millions of people, and has started multiple wars. And here we are, STILL with no Communism. Face it; its an idea that WON'T work. Not because people are trying to block it, but because it requires you to cut down on rights afforded to people in capitalist, and democratic, countries.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:18 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Not a good analogy. Firstly, cancer is a disease; and one that kills thousands each year. I advocate for a cure, so.
Communism, on the other hand, or its attempt to get to its ''perfection'' has killed millions of people, and has started multiple wars. And here we are, STILL with no Communism. Face it; its an idea that WON'T work. Not because people are trying to block it, but because it requires you to cut down on rights afforded to people in capitalist, and democratic, countries.

Not to be insulting (which, in this debate, is becomming a synonym for "I am going to insult you in this post), but it is hard to debate with you because I have problems with rephrasing myself multipletmes for you to understand what I was saying in the beginning of the sequence.

So, I said kind of. Should I make analogies for you or should be direct, which you will interpretate insultingly?
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| June 12, 2013, 4:26 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Not to be insulting (which, in this debate, is becomming a synonym for "I am going to insult you in this post), but it is hard to debate with you because I have problems with rephrasing myself multipletmes for you to understand what I was saying in the beginning of the sequence.

So, I said kind of. Should I make analogies for you or should be direct, which you will interpretate insultingly?

Take a look at the guidelines for the group, and then you decide.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:28 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Not to be insulting (which, in this debate, is becomming a synonym for "I am going to insult you in this post), but it is hard to debate with you because I have problems with rephrasing myself multipletmes for you to understand what I was saying in the beginning of the sequence.

So, I said kind of. Should I make analogies for you or should be direct, which you will interpretate insultingly?

Alright, we are not going to agree over this. I have an actual former member of a government that was close to the USSR, and you are bound by Patriotism sparked by the time now known has as the Cold War, and the CCCP. So lets call a truce, and focus on something else. This is a USA thread, there must be other things to talk about. Maybe you can talk in the WAR! thread.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:34 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Alright, we are not going to agree over this. I have an actual former member of a government that was close to the USSR, and you are bound by Patriotism sparked by the time now known has as the Cold War, and the CCCP. So lets call a truce, and focus on something else. This is a USA thread, there must be other things to talk about. Maybe you can talk in the WAR! thread.

I begrudgingly accept your offer of truce.

As for WAR thread, I am no pacifist, but I know nothing about weapons.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:52 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I begrudgingly accept your offer of truce.

As for WAR thread, I am no pacifist, but I know nothing about weapons.

Hey, Slovenia and the USA aren't suppose to fight.
Nothing? Dang.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:54 pm
USA conspiracy theory debate #1!
What do you think is actually in Area 51. We know they used it as the testing grounds for the SR-71 during the cold war but what's there now? Some way aliens. I bet they are doing either biochemical or energy weapon research there.
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| June 12, 2013, 4:59 pm
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
USA conspiracy theory debate #1!
What do you think is actually in Area 51. We know they used it as the testing grounds for the SR-71 during the cold war but what's there now? Some way aliens. I bet they are doing either biochemical or energy weapon research there.

-No aliens
I am not a conspiracy person, but I think it is still doing what was going on in the 60's; basically, top secret aircraft testing. That helicopter used in the Abottobad Raid, where do you think it was developed?
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| June 12, 2013, 5:04 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
-No aliens
I am not a conspiracy person, but I think it is still doing what was going on in the 60's; basically, top secret aircraft testing. That helicopter used in the Abottobad Raid, where do you think it was developed?

I don't think there are aliens at Area 51 but I do think that aliens MIGHT be real.
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| June 13, 2013, 12:48 pm
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Quoting BrickCity101 11
I don't think there are aliens at Area 51 but I do think that aliens MIGHT be real.

Well, we have a thread for that (somewhere).
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| June 13, 2013, 12:57 pm
I wanna start a specific sub-debate here.
Barack Obama. Love him or hate him, there's no doubting he is one of the most controversial presidents we've ever had.
What are your thoughts on Obama?

I'll start:
I think given how congress is fighting him every step of the way, he has done a fair job. I disagree with some of his views and some of what he's done but I can applaud him for actually getting something done in the face of the stubborn a--holes known as congress.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:24 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I wanna start a specific sub-debate here.
Barack Obama. Love him or hate him, there's no doubting he is one of the most controversial presidents we've ever had.
What are your thoughts on Obama?

I'll start:
I think given how congress is fighting him every step of the way, he has done a fair job. I disagree with some of his views and some of what he's done but I can applaud him for actually getting something done in the face of the stubborn a--holes known as congress.

I don't think we should have give him too much credit, but you are right. Congress is the one that makes the laws, passes them, etc. Obama mainly suggests ideas, and makes sure the rules and laws are followed. So really, the question of progress in this country is centered in that dome building in DC, not the Presidential Inn.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:29 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
I don't think we should have give him too much credit, but you are right. Congress is the one that makes the laws, passes them, etc. Obama mainly suggests ideas, and makes sure the rules and laws are followed. So really, the question of progress in this country is centered in that dome building in DC, not the Presidential Inn.

And there lies the problem.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:31 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
And there lies the problem.

Yeah. Also, the voting system in the US is not very good, so.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:42 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Yeah. Also, the voting system in the US is not very good, so.

Didn't we have a whole long debate about that where I came up with a system you said was actually pretty good a while back? I seem to recall that.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:43 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Didn't we have a whole long debate about that where I came up with a system you said was actually pretty good a while back? I seem to recall that.

Yeah, we did. The current system needs to be thrown out. And then, money from SS needs to go to NASA.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:45 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Yeah, we did. The current system needs to be thrown out. And then, money from SS needs to go to NASA.

Problem with that is SS has become highly self destructive. THe Gov't never set the money aside so when the baby boomer generation all retired, they hiked up our rates to pay for it and so now they owe us more and when we retire, they will hike up that generations rates and it will bankrupt the US. It was an alright goal and the initial setup wasnt half bad but the execution of it since horrible and by the hands of greedy, corrupt politicians.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:49 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Problem with that is SS has become highly self destructive. THe Gov't never set the money aside so when the baby boomer generation all retired, they hiked up our rates to pay for it and so now they owe us more and when we retire, they will hike up that generations rates and it will bankrupt the US. It was an alright goal and the initial setup wasnt half bad but the execution of it since horrible and by the hands of greedy, corrupt politicians.

I would rather have the US fall after conquering space, than some stupid debt. Its pathetic.
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| June 20, 2013, 11:55 am
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Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I wanna start a specific sub-debate here.
Barack Obama. Love him or hate him, there's no doubting he is one of the most controversial presidents we've ever had.
What are your thoughts on Obama?

While he's primary responsible for creating all these low-information voters we've got rampant, ie the Obama Phone lady, the Obama stash lady, the people in Howard stern's videos, , and the entitlement culture we've had these last 4 years the biggest problem is all big-government liberals who don't believe in the bill of rights, think they can just spy on everyone, and believe in redistribution of wealth and the regulatory bureaucracy.
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| June 20, 2013, 4:01 pm
Quoting michael k.
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
I wanna start a specific sub-debate here.
Barack Obama. Love him or hate him, there's no doubting he is one of the most controversial presidents we've ever had.
What are your thoughts on Obama?

While he's primary responsible for creating all these low-information voters we've got rampant, ie the Obama Phone lady, the Obama stash lady, the people in Howard stern's videos, , and the entitlement culture we've had these last 4 years the biggest problem is all big-government liberals who don't believe in the bill of rights, think they can just spy on everyone, and believe in redistribution of wealth and the regulatory bureaucracy.

I don't think that's a fair assesment. Such problems were brewing before Obama and were made worse under other presidents same as him. Remember, the president really isn't as powerful as we all think and he tends to take much of the blame for congress' actions.
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| June 20, 2013, 4:07 pm
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
...Story short, That is the master reset button on the US gov't. One we badly need to push. It's been going downhill since about Reagan and Obama is the final nail in the coffin. We are nearing the cliff of R.I.P. U.S.A.

Y'know, from what I've heard, the U.S. died the moment the Confederacy tried to secede and the North refused to let them.
IIRC the Union was originally a voluntary alliance; a sort of 'we all do our own thing, but if anyone tries to muscle in we join up to kick him out' arrangement, but the Civil War turned it into something more like the Mafia; 'you can join, but God help you if you try to leave'.

Just a thought.
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| June 21, 2013, 4:30 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Y'know, from what I've heard, the U.S. died the moment the Confederacy tried to secede and the North refused to let them.
IIRC the Union was originally a voluntary alliance; a sort of 'we all do our own thing, but if anyone tries to muscle in we join up to kick him out' arrangement, but the Civil War turned it into something more like the Mafia; 'you can join, but God help you if you try to leave'.

Just a thought.

Voluntary Alliance =/= Country
Voluntary alliance = very first articles of confederation which failed.
voluntary alliance = UN (look how effective they are)
Shall I keep going?
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| June 21, 2013, 9:29 am
Quoting Zach Eli "Sierra" Sykes
Voluntary Alliance =/= Country
Voluntary alliance = very first articles of confederation which failed.
voluntary alliance = UN (look how effective they are)
Shall I keep going?

Eh. It's my opinion that competition is good for governments. Keeps them from misbehaving too badly, lest they get taken over by the neighbors.
UN isn't a defense pact, though. I'm thinking something more along the lines of NATO, before it got all political.
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| June 21, 2013, 9:47 am
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Quoting Areetsa C
Y'know, from what I've heard, the U.S. died the moment the Confederacy tried to secede and the North refused to let them.
IIRC the Union was originally a voluntary alliance; a sort of 'we all do our own thing, but if anyone tries to muscle in we join up to kick him out' arrangement, but the Civil War turned it into something more like the Mafia; 'you can join, but God help you if you try to leave'.

Just a thought.

Well, I don't think that is the case. After the Civil War, people lost the ability to rebel against the government, as by then, they were WAY to powerful. I think that the Union declined after people mistakenly believed that the Cold War ended in '91.
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| June 21, 2013, 10:40 am
If it wasn't for your rights to bear arms I might actually want to live in the states.
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| June 21, 2013, 1:51 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
If it wasn't for your rights to bear arms I might actually want to live in the states.

So the guns are keeping you out? That's more in the Gun Control thread, so.
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| June 21, 2013, 5:41 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
If it wasn't for your rights to bear arms I might actually want to live in the states.

Why do people from other countries always think we're an anarchist country just because of weapons?
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| June 22, 2013, 2:33 pm
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Quoting michael k.
Why do people from other countries always think we're an anarchist country just because of weapons?

The media.
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| June 22, 2013, 3:19 pm
Quoting michael k.
Why do people from other countries always think we're an anarchist country just because of weapons?

No, I think the U.S. has a good governmental structure and a good citizenry. However, I'd rather not live somewhere where people could potentially have a gun in their pocket and an itchy finger.
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| June 22, 2013, 5:07 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
No, I think the U.S. has a good governmental structure and a good citizenry. However, I'd rather not live somewhere where people could potentially have a gun in their pocket and an itchy finger.

Gun control debate, gun control debate!
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| June 22, 2013, 5:58 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Gun control debate, gun control debate!

We could have a debate on whether this is more relevant to gun control or other countries' perception of the USA...
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| June 23, 2013, 9:10 am
"Sir, you are border-lining that rule. Be careful in what you say, a violation will, in simplest terms, will get you kicked out. That rule is there so that people can freely say what they want, and not be hit over their intelligence. Please respect it, or pay the consequences."

I don't believe I'm borderlining in any way. What I meant by "It doesn't take a genius to figure that out" is that anyone can see it if they actually looked hard enough. I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I was trying to make it clear that anyone could see what is going on in this country.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:08 pm
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Quoting Cade .
"Sir, you are border-lining that rule. Be careful in what you say, a violation will, in simplest terms, will get you kicked out. That rule is there so that people can freely say what they want, and not be hit over their intelligence. Please respect it, or pay the consequences."

I don't believe I'm borderlining in any way. What I meant by "It doesn't take a genius to figure that out" is that anyone can see it if they actually looked hard enough. I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I was trying to make it clear that anyone could see what is going on in this country.

Maybe so, but you wording is starting to get, frisky. Now, onto the the topic at hand. Civil war, power.

Can I first say though. Where are you from? You are really throwing out those negative waves (Kelly's Heroes reference) and it scares me in the sense that you can't fix something if the people that are suppose to help you are pessimistic.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:10 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
The people destroying the government are those that are singing these petitions. I haven't seen such a petition, by the way. You a have link to it?

The problem is that the US has a such a role in the world, that a civil war here would something that the whole world would be involved in.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/
The people signing these petitions are the people who are against big government and against having government ruin this country. I don't see where you got the "they are the ones ruining this government" thing from.
For your second point: Most of the world despises our government. This government has ruined so many lives outside of the US. Other countries would either aid rebels or not get involved and hope for the best outcome.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:13 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Maybe so, but you wording is starting to get, frisky. Now, onto the the topic at hand. Civil war, power.

Can I first say though. Where are you from? You are really throwing out those negative waves (Kelly's Heroes reference) and it scares me in the sense that you can't fix something if the people that are suppose to help you are pessimistic.

New Mexico. I'm only pessimistic because the world is an awful ugly place, whether one accepts that fact or not. I try not to sound pessimistic on issues regarding politics, but there is nothing positive to say about a corrupt government.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:15 pm
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Quoting Cade .
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/
The people signing these petitions are the people who are against big government and against having government ruin this country. I don't see where you got the "they are the ones ruining this government" thing from.
For your second point: Most of the world despises our government. This government has ruined so many lives outside of the US. Other countries would either aid rebels or not get involved and hope for the best outcome.

*head desk* Okay, firstly, please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE

There you go. Nothing more to say about secession.

"Most of the world despises us". I do hope that you didn't count anyone in NATO, parts of Asia, Australia and islands surrounding that region, most of North America- Yeah, what?
I don't agree with the wars that US has recently got in, but you are looking from the view of a person that wants is all to end. What about US humanitarian aid? Is that now evil?
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| July 23, 2013, 10:21 pm
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Quoting Cade .
New Mexico. I'm only pessimistic because the world is an awful ugly place, whether one accepts that fact or not. I try not to sound pessimistic on issues regarding politics, but there is nothing positive to say about a corrupt government.

There is when you want to fix it. You wanna know why this country is in a decline? Well, its because its people aren't willing to fix it, rationally. A civil war? Please, get real.
I'm sorry if that all sounds offensive, but the fact is that with a population that likes to blame its own government , this country will fall.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:23 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
*head desk* Okay, firstly, please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE

There you go. Nothing more to say about secession.

"Most of the world despises us". I do hope that you didn't count anyone in NATO, parts of Asia, Australia and islands surrounding that region, most of North America- Yeah, what?
I don't agree with the wars that US has recently got in, but you are looking from the view of a person that wants is all to end. What about US humanitarian aid? Is that now evil?

I find "*facedesk*" offending my intelligence. Of course I know they can't secede. Did you really think that I thought they could? I was just saying that there are all these people willing to get the message of small government across. And for your information, their governments rarely agree with our government. A lot of them despise the fact that we go to war for oil. Sure, we have foreign aid. Yeah, we do some good in the world. But when you compare giving out supplies to killing random civies in an illegal war, the bad outweighs the good.
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| July 23, 2013, 10:27 pm
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Quoting Cade .
I find "*facedesk*" offending my intelligence. Of course I know they can't secede. Did you really think that I thought they could? I was just saying that there are all these people willing to get the message of small government across. And for your information, their governments rarely agree with our government. A lot of them despise the fact that we go to war for oil. Sure, we have foreign aid. Yeah, we do some good in the world. But when you compare giving out supplies to killing random civies in an illegal war, the bad outweighs the good.

Yeah, casting away the good US does to concentrate on the negative is not the way to go around this. US is very much a driving force in humanitarian efforts world wide; that is very important to note.

And what about other nations? Are they completely free of any crimes?
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| July 23, 2013, 10:45 pm
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Quoting Cade .
I say we have to focus on correcting the negative before anyone will be able to focus on the good we've done. And no, no country is free of crime. I never said any country was superior to the US. I was saying that they don't agree with most of the things we do.

.....well, let I don't agree with Russia selling weapons to unstable countries, same with China, I can go on. But sir, you make me lose hope in any chance of bloodlessly fixing this country. I believe in the American people, and the gov't, but you have endlessly torn the gov't down. They have managed to keep this Union together for more than 200 years, and now, when it is still trying to do so, people resent it. What?
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| July 23, 2013, 10:52 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad

I've noticed that you and Cade almost always stand on opposing sides...
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| July 23, 2013, 11:49 pm
I believe in this country and I believe that we as a people can bring it together again. A very large problem with it is the media. They distort it so much that some just can't help but to agree.
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| July 23, 2013, 11:50 pm
I would love it if someone could tell me why the United States Government should be spending money to the point of bankruptcy on, among other things, policing the ENTIRE WORLD? That isn't out job at all, and it is very excessive and probably unnecessary. Let's worry about our own contry , which is rapidly falling to pieces, instead.
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| July 24, 2013, 11:58 pm
Quoting Medieval Guy
I would love it if someone could tell me why the United States Government should be spending money to the point of bankruptcy on, among other things, policing the ENTIRE WORLD? That isn't out job at all, and it is very excessive and probably unnecessary. Let's worry about our own contry , which is rapidly falling to pieces, instead.

You're not the only one. But seriously, if we pull everyone and everything out of the Middle East, I give it maybe a year or 2 before Al Qaeda takes it back.
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| July 25, 2013, 12:01 am
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Quoting Medieval Guy
I would love it if someone could tell me why the United States Government should be spending money to the point of bankruptcy on, among other things, policing the ENTIRE WORLD? That isn't out job at all, and it is very excessive and probably unnecessary. Let's worry about our own contry , which is rapidly falling to pieces, instead.

Well lets think of it this way. If the US were to completely retract from the international view, pull out all its military, then look at the wars that WILL start: Iran goes crazy, North Korea TRIES to invade South Korea, China does, something (as the US Pacific fleet would not be there to stop them), and so on. In short, who would take the place of the US as the "police force"? Without the US, the whole world literally falls apart (the aforementioned incidents, also, who provides a lot of the military in the UN, NATO, etc?) And, well. Bankruptcy. I'm not sure that the US is there yet. Yes, we have a massive national debt, but if we stopped pouring money into social programs, and spent it on NASA and paying off the debt, we could get rid of it in about 20 years. Sounds like a long time, right? But don't forget NASA's asteroid capturing mission. That mission could bring profit (mining that asteroid) for over a 100 years; it all is on the leadership.....
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| July 25, 2013, 11:57 am
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Quoting Achintya Prasad
but if we stopped pouring money into social programs, and spent it on NASA and paying off the debt, we could get rid of it in about 20 years.

Ah, the usual, "Well, we need to make cuts, just don't cut MY favorite program."
Look, I like NASA too, but we've got $17T in debt, we should cut everything except essential programs, or at least we get the debt fixed, and the economy back on track.
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| July 27, 2013, 12:30 pm
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Quoting Michael K.
Ah, the usual, "Well, we need to make cuts, just don't cut MY favorite program."
Look, I like NASA too, but we've got $17T in debt, we should cut everything except essential programs, or at least we get the debt fixed, and the economy back on track.

I heavily, heavily, heavily disagree with that. I say preserve for more reasons than just cause its undeniably awesome. Firstly, do you know how much percent of the US budget for the entire gov't is taken up by NASA? Roughly half a percent. <0.5% Thats it. That is a program that once landed people on the moon. What.

If NASA's budged was quadrupled, it would only be 2% of the budget. Just 2%! And they could use that to finally send people back to the moon, and to Mars. With 2%.

In contrast, 1.470 TRILLION or 1,470 BILLION USD were spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. And for what? To let the population sit back, and flip hamburgers for a living? Its ridiculous!

Lets say you take way, 100 Billion dollars from Social programs, and put that into NASA. We would be mining the Asteroid belt; forget China or Russia, or whatever, the US would have the power to be a Hyperpower. No more Superpower, just flat out Hyper-power with that much control over raw material. And you are saying what? Cancel this golden ticket program?

NASA
-employs thousands of workers
- look at the economic impact on all the states here in the US in this handy map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/NASA_dollars.jpg
-Aerospace contributes nearly 100 BILLION USD in US Economic activity; what does NASA stand for? National AERONAUTIC and Space Administration
-As we have seen, the Russians are having issues with there rockets. I would rather humans stay on Earth than go up in Chinese rockets, and the ESA doesn't even launch people into space. NASA is the alternative, but you are suggesting to cut it?

Also, think about the social, and educational impact NASA makes. Firstly, Hubble Space telescope. 'Nuff said.

NASA should be increased in spending, as honestly, who doesn't want the ability to walk on Mars? NASA has the people, it has the expertise, it has the experience, all it needs is the god-forsaken money. AGH!

Sorry, just really, really passionate about NASA. Its the most innocent thing in the US gov't, its the probably the most peaceful, and it furthers society better than Social Security. Cutting it would be a disaster, not only to the US's position as a country in space, but also as symbol of the greatest things humans can do. *off soapbox*
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| July 27, 2013, 3:02 pm
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Quoting Achintya Prasad
Firstly, do you know how much percent of the US budget for the entire gov't is taken up by NASA? Roughly half a percent. <0.5% Thats it. That is a program that once landed people on the moon. What.

If NASA's budged was quadrupled, it would only be 2% of the budget. Just 2%! And they could use that to finally send people back to the moon, and to Mars. With 2%.

Look, I'd agree with you if we weren't already borrowing 46%+ of our Federal budget. I'd like to go back to the moon, why don't we just dust off an old, proven rocket and Apollo capsule, put new computers in them and go? There's really nothing to build from scratch, why not rely on something low cost that's proven, at least for now.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
In contrast, 1.470 TRILLION or 1,470 BILLION USD were spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. And for what? To let the population sit back, and flip hamburgers for a living? Its ridiculous!

I completely agree. Except people pay into SS, so it's their money in the first place. But it is a terrible program, the government mismanages it so much that you're lucky to get back 85% of what you paid in. People should be able to opt out and invest their money privately, where there is an incentive for investors to handle their client's money right, unlike the government, who have nothing to lose by squandering all the money.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Lets say you take way, 100 Billion dollars from Social programs, and put that into NASA. We would be mining the Asteroid belt; forget China or Russia, or whatever, the US would have the power to be a Hyperpower. No more Superpower, just flat out Hyper-power with that much control over raw material.

You do realize that no matter how much we invest, we're centuries away from developing Star Wars-like ships to be able to carry a meaningful quantity of raw materiel, much less enough to offset the cost of going and getting it, and profit from it, unless we were bringing back pure gold.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
And you are saying what? Cancel this golden ticket program?

I never said cancel. Just cut everything down to bare bones until we pay off the debt.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
NASA
-employs thousands of workers
- look at the economic impact on all the states here in the US in this handy map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/NASA_dollars.jpg
-Aerospace contributes nearly 100 BILLION USD in US Economic activity

OK, I didn't realize it was that much all over the country.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
NASA should be increased in spending, as honestly, who doesn't want the ability to walk on Mars? NASA has the people, it has the expertise, it has the experience, all it needs is the god-forsaken money. AGH!

In a time of budget crisis, again, borrowing almost HALF of our money, why do we need to go to Mars NOW? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go, but we've got bigger problems.
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| July 27, 2013, 4:03 pm
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Quoting Michael K.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Firstly, do you know how much percent of the US budget for the entire gov't is taken up by NASA? Roughly half a percent. <0.5% Thats it. That is a program that once landed people on the moon. What.

If NASA's budged was quadrupled, it would only be 2% of the budget. Just 2%! And they could use that to finally send people back to the moon, and to Mars. With 2%.

Look, I'd agree with you if we weren't already borrowing 46%+ of our Federal budget. I'd like to go back to the moon, why don't we just dust off an old, proven rocket and Apollo capsule, put new computers in them and go? There's really nothing to build from scratch, why not rely on something low cost that's proven, at least for now.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
In contrast, 1.470 TRILLION or 1,470 BILLION USD were spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. And for what? To let the population sit back, and flip hamburgers for a living? Its ridiculous!

I completely agree. Except people pay into SS, so it's their money in the first place. But it is a terrible program, the government mismanages it so much that you're lucky to get back 85% of what you paid in. People should be able to opt out and invest their money privately, where there is an incentive for investors to handle their client's money right, unlike the government, who have nothing to lose by squandering all the money.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Lets say you take way, 100 Billion dollars from Social programs, and put that into NASA. We would be mining the Asteroid belt; forget China or Russia, or whatever, the US would have the power to be a Hyperpower. No more Superpower, just flat out Hyper-power with that much control over raw material.

You do realize that no matter how much we invest, we're centuries away from developing Star Wars-like ships to be able to carry a meaningful quantity of raw materiel, much less enough to offset the cost of going and getting it, and profit from it, unless we were bringing back pure gold.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
And you are saying what? Cancel this golden ticket program?

I never said cancel. Just cut everything down to bare bones until we pay off the debt.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
NASA
-employs thousands of workers
- look at the economic impact on all the states here in the US in this handy map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/NASA_dollars.jpg
-Aerospace contributes nearly 100 BILLION USD in US Economic activity

OK, I didn't realize it was that much all over the country.
Quoting Achintya Prasad
NASA should be increased in spending, as honestly, who doesn't want the ability to walk on Mars? NASA has the people, it has the expertise, it has the experience, all it needs is the god-forsaken money. AGH!

In a time of budget crisis, again, borrowing almost HALF of our money, why do we need to go to Mars NOW? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go, but we've got bigger problems.

Overall, yes, I think we need to go to Mars. Currently, the population is being lazy, not contributing into further advancing the US; going to Mars would require input from everyone in the US; it would be a massive undertaking and one that would reignite the American people.
I'm not sure if an Apollo rocket is the way to go; it does work, but its quite old, outdated, and could only take a little bit of weight up to the moon, so, I dunno if it would work.
Are you kidding me? Of course we it would pay off. Mine the asteroid belt, and you would have access to more "rare" metals in one haul than in all the mines on Earth. Payoff, yes, and, as I stated earlier, it would reignite the American people.

Yup, overall, I still heavily say, put huge investments of money into NASA, destroy SS, severely limit programs that, essential, pay for someone to live, and make the next Neil Armstrong, before China crushes it all.
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| July 28, 2013, 4:46 pm
just bringing this topic up. I am pro American but I do think the U.S is spending too much money on its military like some projects like the F-35 cost millions of dollars.
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| October 11, 2013, 11:53 am
Quoting Navy Person
just bringing this topic up. I am pro American but I do think the U.S is spending too much money on its military like some projects like the F-35 cost millions of dollars.

I agree. I think our military spending has gotten out of hand...we're even paying to build tanks which the military sells to the Saudis...
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| October 11, 2013, 12:26 pm
Quoting BobaFett 2
I agree. I think our military spending has gotten out of hand...we're even paying to build tanks which the military sells to the Saudis...

A fun article on economy and military spending: http://www.ruthlesscriticism.com/imp


Not that I'm pro military, mind. Just that it's tough to measure when more is bad for the economy.
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| October 11, 2013, 3:13 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
A fun article on economy and military spending: http://www.ruthlesscriticism.com/imp


Not that I'm pro military, mind. Just that it's tough to measure when more is bad for the economy.

The economy definitely does get a boost from military spending in some places, but I think it would be better spent on other forms of stimulus that would provide other benefits to our country.
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| October 11, 2013, 3:13 pm
Quoting BobaFett 2
The economy definitely does get a boost from military spending in some places, but I think it would be better spent on other forms of stimulus that would provide other benefits to our country.

Dude, you read that article in less than 1 minute? Kudos man. ;)

I agree, I think that those trillions of dollars could really change the world. However, it's easy to say that the military is unimportant in times of relative peace like this. However, the US is only powerful because of WWI, WWII, and the Cold War. If it lost a war, the winner would become the new global superpower.
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| October 11, 2013, 3:31 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Dude, you read that article in less than 1 minute? Kudos man. ;)

I agree, I think that those trillions of dollars could really change the world. However, it's easy to say that the military is unimportant in times of relative peace like this. However, the US is only powerful because of WWI, WWII, and the Cold War. If it lost a war, the winner would become the new global superpower.

Yup. We were pretty lucky in WWI and II dueto our location and late involvement.
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| October 11, 2013, 3:36 pm
Well, some countries have legitimate reason to hate us. I think America's too nosy, the whole "world cop" thing really annoys me personally. There are things I do strongly dislike and even hate about this country, but as a whole, I think America's a pretty good nation.
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| October 21, 2013, 9:22 pm
Quoting Jack K
Well, some countries have legitimate reason to hate us. I think America's too nosy, the whole "world cop" thing really annoys me personally. There are things I do strongly dislike and even hate about this country, but as a whole, I think America's a pretty good nation.

Well, technically America is a pair of continents, but yes, a few people do have a reason to hate us, particularly Vietnam and the Middle East. We screwed up badly there.

Personally, I wish we were more liberal, like Europe.

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| October 21, 2013, 9:27 pm
Quoting BobaFett 2
Well, technically America is a pair of continents, but yes, a few people do have a reason to hate us, particularly Vietnam and the Middle East. We screwed up badly there.

Personally, I wish we were more liberal, like Europe.

EUROPE is liberal?
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| October 22, 2013, 2:27 am
Richest country in the world? We are broke. We are livining on borrowed time. As far as the rest of the world goes, the U.S. should have shown other countries and cultures more respect. I bet you all are tired of hearing "the U.S., the greatest country there ever was". Look around lately, what is so great?
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| November 17, 2013, 2:11 am
Quoting Cheryl P
Richest country in the world? We are broke. We are livining on borrowed time. As far as the rest of the world goes, the U.S. should have shown other countries and cultures more respect. I bet you all are tired of hearing "the U.S., the greatest country there ever was". Look around lately, what is so great?

Quoting Cheryl P
I bet you all are tired of hearing "the U.S., the greatest country there ever was".

Quoting Cheryl P
"the U.S., the greatest country there ever was".

Quoting Cheryl P
"greatest country there ever was".

Quoting Cheryl P
"greatest country".

Quoting Cheryl P
"was".

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| November 17, 2013, 10:12 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
EUROPE is liberal?

He probably means the UK. The best friends of you yankees. :)
But the UK isnt Europe, they are more the 51 state of america. :D
Btw someone forget to tell those tea cups, that their empire isnt anymore....
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| November 20, 2013, 4:05 am
Quoting Areetsa C
EUROPE is liberal?

He said MORE liberal.
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| November 20, 2013, 9:12 am
Quoting Arnas Scheel
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Okay, the Japs didn't want to attack the US mainland because, well have you SEEN the distance between Japan and its bases, and California? Exactly. They would WAY overreach themselves.
We attacked Japan, were we WAY overreaching ourselves?


(just had to re touch on this)

not really, because most of our forces would've made a pit stop in hawaii if they were coming from mainland usa. Hawaii is basicaly in the middle of the Pacific, the middle man if you might say. so i dont think we went too far in terms of distance. they bombed us so we bombed them, payback.

what was really over reacting was bombing the same country twice with an a-bomb

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| November 22, 2013, 6:07 pm
Quoting Cheryl P
Richest country in the world? We are broke. We are livining on borrowed time. As far as the rest of the world goes, the U.S. should have shown other countries and cultures more respect. I bet you all are tired of hearing "the U.S., the greatest country there ever was". Look around lately, what is so great?

America has dominated Earth since the first world war. Until they are defeated in battle, they will remain the greatest country.
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| November 22, 2013, 10:49 pm
Quoting TRON 117
(just had to re touch on this)

not really, because most of our forces would've made a pit stop in hawaii if they were coming from mainland usa. Hawaii is basicaly in the middle of the Pacific, the middle man if you might say. so i dont think we went too far in terms of distance. they bombed us so we bombed them, payback...

IIRC they were more concerned with security.
"A rifle behind every blade of grass" was how one commander spoke of it, if memory serves.

Think of the Afghanistan situation.

Part of it is the terrain around there, but most of it is because Afghanis don't like foreigners much, and have in the past been quite happy to shoot at them. Shoot at them with their own frakking guns, more often than not. They shot the Russians with copies of English rifles, and now they shoot the Americans with knockoff Kalashnikovs. In thirty years, they'll probably be slotting Red Chinese with shed-built M-4s.

It wasn't even a proper war, and the full might of Uncle Sam was still unable to crush resistance to any great degree.
Americans have a tradition of marksmanship that modern Afghanis have lost, and it was more pronounced back then.

The distinction between deer rifle and sniper's arm has always been fairly slim, so I'm sure you can do the math.
Quoting TRON 117
...what was really over reacting was bombing the same country twice with an a-bomb

Other side of the above. The Japanese at the time were working themselves up into a suicidal berserkr frenzy, teaching schoolchildren to stab GIs with bamboo stakes and handing out AT mines on the ends of sticks.

The casualty estimate for an invasion of the islands was in the millions, if my memory serves, so ultimately the shock effect of a couple of nukings saved countless lives on both sides.

Frak, the Americans're STILL issuing the wound badges they made in preparation for the invasion, and won't run out for quite a while.

Certainly the Japanese won't have the guts to re-enact Nanking any time soon.
Quoting Locutus 666
He probably means the UK. The best friends of you yankees. :)
But the UK isnt Europe, they are more the 51 state of america. :D
Btw someone forget to tell those tea cups, that their empire isnt anymore....

One: I'm not an amerilander.
Two: if you call one a yankee, you'd best keep in mind that it is in fact a serious insult.
Three: BRITAIN is liberal? Maybe in comparison to Saudi Arabia, but seriously?
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
America has dominated Earth since the first world war. Until they are defeated in battle, they will remain the greatest country.

Oh, I dunno.

I get the impression Obamacare is doing pretty well at crippling their economy, and in twenty years the Red Chinese are going to have 35 million young men with no marriage prospects at all. In short, the world's largest army with absolutely nothing to lose.

It's not an estimate, it's simple mathematics. Lots of little boys, nowhere near enough little girls.
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| November 22, 2013, 11:12 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
America has dominated Earth since the first world war. Until they are defeated in battle, they will remain the greatest country.


i agree, the only way America is going down... is with a BANG!

(man, debating about how messed up America is makes my day worth while!)
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| November 23, 2013, 1:31 am
as i am from western europe (well, england) i shall say i have nothing against you guys.
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| November 23, 2013, 3:32 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
One: I'm not an amerilander.
Two: if you call one a yankee, you'd best keep in mind that it is in fact a serious insult.
Three: BRITAIN is liberal? Maybe in comparison to Saudi Arabia, but seriously?

one: what is an amerilander?
two: never know this. But if so, I apologize for it. But you have to explain me then, why the New York Yankees Baseball team insults them self by their name...
three: yes it is, but it depends on what aspect of "liberal" we are talking. ->Thatcherism
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| November 24, 2013, 11:51 am
Quoting Locutus 666
one: what is an amerilander?

One who lives in Ameriland.
Quoting Locutus 666
two: never know this. But if so, I apologize for it. But you have to explain me then, why the New York Yankees Baseball team insults them self by their name...

New Yorkers use it as a badge of honour.

Sort of like American blacks and that one word that starts with 'nig-'.

Much of the rest of the country, it's an invitation to violence.
Quoting Locutus 666
three: yes it is, but it depends on what aspect of "liberal" we are talking. ->Thatcherism

Not seeing all that much of that recently.

To me, at least, 'liberal' implies a number of things.

Among them is that people are responsible for their own actions, and the state only involves itself in things directly related to it.

Considering that once-Great Britain is a country where homeowners may not install metal netting over their windows for fear of injuring burglars, where people are watched constantly by state and neighbors acting as police informers, where violent offenders see prisons as revolving doors on those few occasions where they are actually jailed instead of let off, where massive riots go unsuppressed and people call on internet shops to refuse to sell, say, baseball bats to people in the war-torn area, where a war veteran can have his head hacked off by rampaging ferals in a public road without any of dozens of bystanders acting to stop it, half because they have no tools to do so and half because if they did they'd be called all sorts of things and crucified in a trial-by-media- assuming they lived long enough to reach a court -and where certain areas of certain cities are deeply unsafe for anyone who isn't part of the local ethnicity, I'd have an extremely hard time calling the place 'liberal'.

'Armpit of Europe' might be more accurate, but I hear rather unsettling stories about the rest of the continent.
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| November 25, 2013, 4:22 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Not seeing all that much of that recently.

To me, at least, 'liberal' implies a number of things.

Among them is that people are responsible for their own actions, and the state only involves itself in things directly related to it.

Considering that once-Great Britain is a country where homeowners may not install metal netting over their windows for fear of injuring burglars, where people are watched constantly by state and neighbors acting as police informers, where violent offenders see prisons as revolving doors on those few occasions where they are actually jailed instead of let off, where massive riots go unsuppressed and people call on internet shops to refuse to sell, say, baseball bats to people in the war-torn area, where a war veteran can have his head hacked off by rampaging ferals in a public road without any of dozens of bystanders acting to stop it, half because they have no tools to do so and half because if they did they'd be called all sorts of things and crucified in a trial-by-media- assuming they lived long enough to reach a court -and where certain areas of certain cities are deeply unsafe for anyone who isn't part of the local ethnicity, I'd have an extremely hard time calling the place 'liberal'.

'Armpit of Europe' might be more accurate, but I hear rather unsettling stories about the rest of the continent.


i still dont understand what americland means, but the rest of what you put in there proves why the rest of the world might like us as a friend in battle, but in politics, were the worst. Violence! Corruption! Bullying!(it don't sound that bad, but people end there life because of it)! Nig- calling(also known as racism) just that goes to say the we have not only the most creative country on earth, but the most violent and dangerous country on earth...
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| November 25, 2013, 10:41 am
Might want to check the statistics.

I wouldn't feel comfortable walking down any street at night, but I'd wager Amerilander ones (outside of, say, Detroit, New York, Chicago or California) are quite a bit safer than ones in, say, Paris or Saint Petersburg.
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| November 26, 2013, 6:50 am
Quoting Areetsa C
Might want to check the statistics.

I wouldn't feel comfortable walking down any street at night, but I'd wager Amerilander ones (outside of, say, Detroit, New York, Chicago or California) are quite a bit safer than ones in, say, Paris or Saint Petersburg.

most of the time in san antonio, the only way something is gonna happen to you is if you have a part in it. Most of the time, if your're murdered, shot , stabbed, its because you were in a fight.

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| November 26, 2013, 10:44 am
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I absolutely am. But that is just a sub-state of hating almost evertything.

Now THAT is funny! Almost makes me think there's hope for you.
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| November 26, 2013, 6:28 pm
I'm a Canadian. Besides the Bruins, I've nothing against USA.
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| November 26, 2013, 6:35 pm
The term 'liberal' has different meanings depending on the historical and geographic context. In 19th century UK it meant a move away from monarchial rule toward self reliant democratic government. In modern day US it means 90 million people not working, and buying lobster with an EBT card.
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| November 26, 2013, 6:38 pm
Quoting Alex Rode
I'm a Canadian. Besides the Bruins, I've nothing against USA.

I'm American and I don't like them either. Go Habs!!
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| November 26, 2013, 6:41 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
Might want to check the statistics.

I wouldn't feel comfortable walking down any street at night, but I'd wager Amerilander ones (outside of, say, Detroit, New York, Chicago or California) are quite a bit safer than ones in, say, Paris or Saint Petersburg.

You can't compare it like that - the largest cities of France and Russia against anything but the largest cities of America? It's like comparing Detroit to Bedford, Nova Scotia, Canada. Before you challenge other people's stats, look at your own objectivity...
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| November 26, 2013, 7:05 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
You can't compare it like that - the largest cities of France and Russia against anything but the largest cities of America? It's like comparing Detroit to Bedford, Nova Scotia, Canada. Before you challenge other people's stats, look at your own objectivity...

The cities I named are the total pestholes. You'll notice they're also the ones where the hippie brigade have the most influence.


Beyond that, he's talking about the U.S. being the most corrupt, violent, dangerous etcetera place on the planet.

Now that's certainly true if you live in Chicago or Detroit, but elsewhere, not.
Quoting TRON 117
most of the time in san antonio, the only way something is gonna happen to you is if you have a part in it. Most of the time, if your're murdered, shot , stabbed, its because you were in a fight.

The trouble with "most of the time" is that it implies a "some of the time" where something DOES happen.

The difference between cities in Texas and the pestholes I mentioned elsewhere is that committing assault in Texas is a lot like playing Russian Roulette.
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| November 26, 2013, 10:12 pm
Quoting El Barto !
I'm American and I don't like them either. Go Habs!!

Yeah man!!
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| November 27, 2013, 8:31 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
The cities I named are the total pestholes. You'll notice they're also the ones where the hippie brigade have the most influence.


Beyond that, he's talking about the U.S. being the most corrupt, violent, dangerous etcetera place on the planet.

Now that's certainly true if you live in Chicago or Detroit, but elsewhere, not.
Quoting TRON 117
most of the time in san antonio, the only way something is gonna happen to you is if you have a part in it. Most of the time, if your're murdered, shot , stabbed, its because you were in a fight.

The trouble with "most of the time" is that it implies a "some of the time" where something DOES happen.

The difference between cities in Texas and the pestholes I mentioned elsewhere is that committing assault in Texas is a lot like playing Russian Roulette.


no city is perfect. even plesantville

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| December 3, 2013, 5:26 pm
 Group admin 
Well, PISA test scores came out. 36th in math America, great! Not. Though I've long since said that the PISA tests are not reliable....
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| December 3, 2013, 5:27 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Well, PISA test scores came out. 36th in math America, great! Not. Though I've long since said that the PISA tests are not reliable....

Dude, we destroyed you. ;)
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| December 3, 2013, 5:45 pm
Okay, no city is perfect. Every big city has it's crime rates. Being from Chicago, I definitly agree when people say it's bad with the crime rates BUT it's only really bad in certain areas such as parts of the O'Hare International area. Nothing good can really be said about Detroit. That city is what a lot of people here call "the armpit of society". Detroit is just never gonna be the same again. But still, in every big city, crimes happen every day from murders to armed robberies to something as simple as pick-pocketing. We may not be the safest or richest country in the world but that doesn't make the US a bad place to live by any means...
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| December 3, 2013, 5:48 pm
Quoting Brickcity 101
My opinion, no city is perfect. Every big city has it's crime rates. Being from Chicago, I definitly agree when people say it's bad with the crime rates BUT it's only really bad in certain areas such as parts of the O'Hare International area. Nothing good can really be said about Detroit. That city is what a lot of people here call "the armpit of society". Detroit is just never gonna be the same again. But still, in every big city, crimes happen every day from murders to armed robberies to something as simple as pick-pocketing. We may not be the safest or richest country in the world but that doesn't make the US a bad place to live by any means.

I hear a statistically significant amount of that violence is in areas where the population is mainly black. The proverbial "urban" regions, in short.

Your thoughts?
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| December 4, 2013, 9:29 am
Quoting Areetsa C
I hear a statistically significant amount of that violence is in areas where the population is mainly black. The proverbial "urban" regions, in short.

Your thoughts?

Poverty is a big thing when it comes to crime. In Chicago, (But also everywhere) people really snap around this time of year due to job losses, money problems, etc etc. This is a big thing when it comes to crime. Areas with a lot of poverty and areas that are overcrowded such as New York City are usually the places where the most crimes happen. Areas with less people, in the suburbs farther away from downtown, are usually not very crime-full. "Inner-city" subhrbs, closest to downtown, are usually the places where the crimes occur.
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| December 7, 2013, 3:47 pm
Quoting Brickcity 101
Poverty is a big thing when it comes to crime. In Chicago, (But also everywhere) people really snap around this time of year due to job losses, money problems, etc etc. This is a big thing when it comes to crime. Areas with a lot of poverty and areas that are overcrowded such as New York City are usually the places where the most crimes happen. Areas with less people, in the suburbs farther away from downtown, are usually not very crime-full. "Inner-city" subhrbs, closest to downtown, are usually the places where the crimes occur.

In other words, among the sorts of people who are statistically more likely to listen to rap, get tattoos and wear excessive amounts of jewellery.
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| December 7, 2013, 9:10 pm
Quoting Brickcity 101
Poverty is a big thing when it comes to crime. In Chicago, (But also everywhere) people really snap around this time of year due to job losses, money problems, etc etc. This is a big thing when it comes to crime. Areas with a lot of poverty and areas that are overcrowded such as New York City are usually the places where the most crimes happen. Areas with less people, in the suburbs farther away from downtown, are usually not very crime-full. "Inner-city" subhrbs, closest to downtown, are usually the places where the crimes occur.
The question is, are people criminals because their impoverished, or are people impoverished because they are more likely to commit crimes?

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| December 7, 2013, 9:37 pm
Quoting Areetsa C
In other words, among the sorts of people who are statistically more likely to listen to rap, get tattoos and wear excessive amounts of jewellery.

Nope. Anybody. People who live in these areas are exposed to all types of crimes. The midtown areas of cities are where most crime happens. People are cramped because of lack of space. This causes people to go crazy or want to get out of the small apartments, so stealing for them is a oppertunity to get rich fast.
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| December 7, 2013, 9:55 pm
Quoting Bob the inconceivably invincible
Quoting Brickcity 101
Poverty is a big thing when it comes to crime. In Chicago, (But also everywhere) people really snap around this time of year due to job losses, money problems, etc etc. This is a big thing when it comes to crime. Areas with a lot of poverty and areas that are overcrowded such as New York City are usually the places where the most crimes happen. Areas with less people, in the suburbs farther away from downtown, are usually not very crime-full. "Inner-city" subhrbs, closest to downtown, are usually the places where the crimes occur.
The question is, are people criminals because their impoverished, or are people impoverished because they are more likely to commit crimes?

Most likely to become criminals because of poverty. People snap from having nothing and go crazy or people see stealing as a get-rich-fast thing.
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| December 7, 2013, 9:57 pm
Quoting Brickcity 101
Most likely to become criminals because of poverty. People snap from having nothing and go crazy or people see stealing as a get-rich-fast thing.

Of course, people who resort to crime are not willful/creative enough to make money legally, that will contribute to their poor living conditions, which then furthers their desire for crime. Vicious cycle that.
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| December 7, 2013, 10:01 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Of course, people who resort to crime are not willful/creative enough to make money legally, that will contribute to their poor living conditions, which then furthers their desire for crime. Vicious cycle that.

IQ is the real issue. Sorry. I don't care if you're out in the boondocks or in the inner city. It's the same story over and over. Another generation every 15 years, unsure of who their fathers are, inbreeding is bound to occur. Raising the minimum wage isn't going to fix it. And we already know after 40 years and trillions of dollars, welfare doesn't fix it either.
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| December 7, 2013, 10:25 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Well, PISA test scores came out. 36th in math America, great! Not. Though I've long since said that the PISA tests are not reliable....

Of course the tests are reliable. There's no way our 'competition' has a massive population of illiterates like we do. It would be interesting to see the test scores filtered by county, like the electoral map. For sure the blue areas are dragging down the average. That's the only fair way to compare us to other countries.
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| December 7, 2013, 10:32 pm
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Quoting El Barto !
Of course the tests are reliable. There's no way our 'competition' has a massive population of illiterates like we do. It would be interesting to see the test scores filtered by county, like the electoral map. For sure the blue areas are dragging down the average. That's the only fair way to compare us to other countries.

Disagree.

The tests are there to measure "average" samples of students from countries. However, China has constantly given its scores from its top schools in Shanghai, and Hong Kong. I simply can't believe that a population of over 1 Billion can educate its children with above world class education. If so, then China would long since have conquered the rest of the Solar System....
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| December 7, 2013, 11:34 pm
Quoting Brickcity 101
Most likely to become criminals because of poverty. People snap from having nothing and go crazy or people see stealing as a get-rich-fast thing.

Desperation is a motivation, but not a justification.

Whether he steals to fund his marijuana habit or to buy medicine for his child with cancer, DTs and ADHD, a thief remains scum.

"It's okay for me to steal things from XYZ, their time and labour is worth less than mine is because they (have a nicer house/were luckier/have an ancestor who once might have done something to some ancester of mine/are jews)" is the sort of reasoning that leads to entitlement mentalities and city-consuming riots.
Quoting El Barto !
IQ is the real issue. Sorry. I don't care if you're out in the boondocks or in the inner city. It's the same story over and over.

I've heard stories about more capable students being bullied or mistreated because their higher scores raise the class average and thus force the coasters to work harder for their "eh, it'll do".

Not sure how true it is, of course.
Quoting El Barto !
Another generation every 15 years, unsure of who their fathers are, inbreeding is bound to occur.

Thing about eugenics is it sounds like a brilliant idea, and it's certainly operating from a foundation of truth, but it's one of those things that're simply too dangerous to be permitted.

It seems, though, that abortions are apparently most popular among that same group. Just because people aren't being very careful doesn't mean there's going to be all that many children.
Quoting El Barto !
Raising the minimum wage isn't going to fix it.

From what I've read, raising minimum wages just makes things worse. More costly labour = people hiring less workers, as well as people who've worked hard for a promotion suddenly being paid just the same as a new hire at the bottom of the ladder.
Quoting El Barto !
And we already know after 40 years and trillions of dollars, welfare doesn't fix it either.

"Supposed to be a safety net, not a hammock."
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| December 8, 2013, 8:43 am
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Disagree.

The tests are there to measure "average" samples of students from countries. However, China has constantly given its scores from its top schools in Shanghai, and Hong Kong. I simply can't believe that a population of over 1 Billion can educate its children with above world class education. If so, then China would long since have conquered the rest of the Solar System....

So, it's not really about the test, it's about the selection of students.
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| December 8, 2013, 10:29 am
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Quoting El Barto !
So, it's not really about the test, it's about the selection of students.

For China, yes. If you wanted to compare it "equally" with China, take the highest ranking students from the States, and put them up to the task. Trust me, you'll find that the US isn't lacking nearly as much.

Besides, the real "firepower" the US has is its secondary schools; its colleges. The best in the world, end of story.
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| December 9, 2013, 9:12 pm
Quoting El Barto !
IQ is the real issue. Sorry. I don't care if you're out in the boondocks or in the inner city. It's the same story over and over. Another generation every 15 years, unsure of who their fathers are, inbreeding is bound to occur. Raising the minimum wage isn't going to fix it. And we already know after 40 years and trillions of dollars, welfare doesn't fix it either.

Are you suggesting one of my favourite stimulus packages - eugenics?

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| December 9, 2013, 9:20 pm
Quoting Achintya Prasad
Besides, the real "firepower" the US has is its secondary schools; its colleges. The best in the world, end of story.

It doesn't matter how good MIT is, the problem is cultural values. Everyone's equal now, and it cripples motivation. Russia needed to introduce a capitalist element to keep communism going after Lenin took over, we need to introduce failure to keep our economy going.
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| December 9, 2013, 9:26 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Are you suggesting one of my favourite stimulus packages - eugenics?

As I said before: it's one of those things that seems like a brilliant idea, but are simply too dangerous to permit.
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| December 10, 2013, 1:20 am
Quoting Areetsa C
As I said before: it's one of those things that seems like a brilliant idea, but are simply too dangerous to permit.

Only dangerous if many people are involved - I liken it to democracy. Great if there's only one leader.
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| December 10, 2013, 3:15 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Only dangerous if many people are involved - I liken it to democracy. Great if there's only one leader.

Lolwut?
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| December 11, 2013, 3:44 am
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