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Chewbacca is better than ALL those guys!
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| July 10, 2013, 12:54 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
Chewbacca is the most overrated type in the original trilogy and borderline incompetent.

1. Chewy can't fix the hyperdrive...ever. Han would have been better off with an R2 unit, who can (and did) fix the hyperdrive.

2. Chewy isn't trusted to fly the ship unless all other options have been exhausted. Lando, Leia, fish-face, anyone but Chewy.

3. Chewy is such a sensitive baby that you can't play a game with him (chess) without fear that he'll throw a tantrum and possibly harm you?


All that may be true, but you are forgetting one thing. He is still Chewie.
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| July 31, 2013, 4:00 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
All that may be true, but you are forgetting one thing. He is still Chewie.


And Chewie was finally killed by a moon that destroyed the planet he was on.
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| July 31, 2013, 5:41 pm
Quoting TheWolfBrigade 01

And Chewie was finally killed by a moon that destroyed the planet he was on.

Really?
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| July 31, 2013, 5:46 pm
Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Really?


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vector_Prime_%28novel%29

LONG LIVE THE VONG!
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| July 31, 2013, 6:24 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
Really?


Deus.

Don't start down that dark "Extended Univers" road! That way lies madness!

If it aint in one of the films... I don't beleave it.

SW Fan boys hate that idea. They read books about little jedi kids, and people who use force powers like they were playing X-box, and more female characters who have better lines, and whole gangs of Evil Sith Buddies who have heads that look like Darth Vader... but it's all a bunch of after market, add on, money pumping, phoney balogna.

Stick with the movies and you can't go wrong (Ok, stick with the first film and you cant go wrong... after that it's pretty much down hill)

Attack!
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| August 1, 2013, 11:45 am
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Don't start down that dark "Extended Univers" road! That way lies madness!


Perhaps for the illiterate...

Quoting Michael Rutherford
If it aint in one of the films... I don't beleave it.


Just because it's not cliche, depth-less science fiction doesn't mean it's not Star Wars canon.

Quoting Michael Rutherford
SW Fan boys hate that idea. They read books about little jedi kids, and people who use force powers like they were playing X-box, and more female characters who have better lines, and whole gangs of Evil Sith Buddies who have heads that look like Darth Vader... but it's all a bunch of after market, add on, money pumping, phoney balogna.


It's better writing than the films. After market, add on, money pumping awesomeness.

Quoting Michael Rutherford
Stick with the movies and you can't go wrong (Ok, stick with the first film and you cant go wrong... after that it's pretty much down hill)


What?! Everyone knows Empire is tops in the saga.

Man, if you are so misguided about the great cosmic battle, how can we trust you to run a wargame?
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| August 1, 2013, 2:05 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist


What?! Everyone knows Empire is tops in the saga.


TRUTH!
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| August 1, 2013, 3:59 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist


Look you, I think it is unfortunate that your parents chose to name you after Mark Hammels character... and so I will push out a pontoon bridge to you on this one.

Empire takes it for "Best Battle". I'll give you that. And it has "Boba at his best." (before he yells like a girl and feeds the bad worm...). But to say the whole film is better than the original? I scoff!

As for literacy and it's relevance in evaluating the quality of all this after market "Stuff"... Have you actually read some of this tripe? Bazooka Joe comics require more concentration. I've read deeper stuff on the back of old Jackson Five eight track cassettes! Coupons for tanning salons are written for deeper audiences than this "cannon" fodder!

The best thing to come out of any of that Clone Wars cartoon stuff... is the Lego action. Now THAT is a meaningful contribution to western culture. Those gray guys with the mean lizard faces (came in a "Pirate Tank" kit or some other nonsense...) Those minifigs are my favorite, bar none. One mean lizard guy is wearing goggles, and the other looks like he is angry because he didn't get any. I love those guys! They look so angry and cool!

But as reading material? I'd rather read old copies of TV guide form 1970! (and that is REALLY bad!)

Reading is fundamental!
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| August 1, 2013, 6:19 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Look you, I think it is unfortunate that your parents chose to name you after Mark Hammels character... and so I will push out a pontoon bridge to you on this one.

Empire takes it for "Best Battle". I'll give you that. And it has "Boba at his best." (before he yells like a girl and feeds the bad worm...). But to say the whole film is better than the original? I scoff!

As for literacy and it's relevance in evaluating the quality of all this after market "Stuff"... Have you actually read some of this tripe? Bazooka Joe comics require more concentration. I've read deeper stuff on the back of old Jackson Five eight track cassettes! Coupons for tanning salons are written for deeper audiences than this "cannon" fodder!

The best thing to come out of any of that Clone Wars cartoon stuff... is the Lego action. Now THAT is a meaningful contribution to western culture. Those gray guys with the mean lizard faces (came in a "Pirate Tank" kit or some other nonsense...) Those minifigs are my favorite, bar none. One mean lizard guy is wearing goggles, and the other looks like he is angry because he didn't get any. I love those guys! They look so angry and cool!

But as reading material? I'd rather read old copies of TV guide form 1970! (and that is REALLY bad!)

Reading is fundamental!

Come now, Boba escaped the sarlacc, which is more than anyone else can say.
That aside, Empire is all around the better film. While Lucas is a fantastic conceptualist, Kershner's directing style worked better. The special effects team was at their finest. The plot was new, the characters gained depth, Vader became a father.
Nebulon-B frigates!
Lando!
Super Star Destroyers!
AT-ATs!
C-3PO got blasted!
I mean, you can't argue against this.

Man, I've read it all. (Which is obviously infinitely more than you can say.) I suppose for someone who grew up with the 100 page digest as the best reading, you're unaccustomed to high quality literature. And you seem to be a war-film buff, so I'm guessing you've read some similar novels. All by illiterate and concussed veterans whose only selling point is subject matter and simplicity. I've read "classics," and barring Hamlet Star Wars Expanded Universe trounces them all.

I'll agree with you about the cartoon though, that blasted thing just kept tearing apart existing Star Wars continuity, and the weequay figures are awesome. ;)

And as you seem to think that televised cartoons comprise Star Wars Expanded Universe literature, I'm not surprised that you'd be into reading old TV guides.

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| August 1, 2013, 6:51 pm
Care to rebut, Michael?

Do continue, please.

Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Now I've got some popcorn. Go ahead.
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| August 1, 2013, 7:08 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
Care to rebut, Michael?

Do continue, please.

Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Now I've got some popcorn. Go ahead.

Can't forget a refreshing beverage!
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| August 1, 2013, 7:36 pm
Quoting Sam Sanister
Can't forget a refreshing beverage!

Shhhh. Down in front.

-whisper-

I think Michael is building up the tension for dramatic purposes (A skill George Lucas is sadly lacking.)

Who will be the hammer, and who will be the anvil?

Where's my Pepsi?
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| August 1, 2013, 7:53 pm
Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Come now, Boba escaped the sarlacc, which is more than anyone else can say.
That aside, Empire is all around the better film. While Lucas is a fantastic conceptualist, Kershner's directing style worked better. The special effects team was at their finest. The plot was new, the characters gained depth, Vader became a father.
Nebulon-B frigates!
Lando!
Super Star Destroyers!
AT-ATs!
C-3PO got blasted!
I mean, you can't argue against this.

Man, I've read it all. (Which is obviously infinitely more than you can say.) I suppose for someone who grew up with the 100 page digest as the best reading, you're unaccustomed to high quality literature. And you seem to be a war-film buff, so I'm guessing you've read some similar novels. All by illiterate and concussed veterans whose only selling point is subject matter and simplicity. I've read "classics," and barring Hamlet Star Wars Expanded Universe trounces them all.

I'll agree with you about the cartoon though, that blasted thing just kept tearing apart existing Star Wars continuity, and the weequay figures are awesome. ;)

And as you seem to think that televised cartoons comprise Star Wars Expanded Universe literature, I'm not surprised that you'd be into reading old TV guides.


I hate when my comments are in CM

In a nutshell I love reading the books and hate half of the films George made. George lacked ANY directing skills and he made a grave mistake when he made The Clown Wars. Now that he sold off his not so magic beans I doubt Disney will even grow better. JJ Abrams is a horrid mistake. I even hated his direction of the Star Trek films because they were unlike what Gene Roddenberry would even think of along with the writers of the original series.
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| August 1, 2013, 8:52 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist

The plot thickens! Have at thee!

Luke: Boba escaped the sarlacc, which is more than anyone else can say.

Mike: “Yes he did, in some aftermarket drivel that didn’t warrant a film… and besides, you make it sound like every guy wants to sit around and say “Yea I escaped the sarlacc… you should have seen it! I was awesome!” But you know… you only get a chance to say that, if you were enough of a sap to wind up IN SIDE of the sarlacc. Ever see Ben bragging about the time he crawled out of an invertibrates mouth in a book? Nope. You never did. Know why? Because he’s not dumb enough to compromise himself like that. It’s like bragging about your triumph over compulsive overspending. Or the time you crashed your car into a tree and lived. Plus… his already ratty outfit now smells… “Sarlacky.” He was doing better when he just stood in the corner and let people speculate about him. But he had to go and speak, trip, yell, and finally, feed the local fauna. On the whole, a very disappointing character.

Luke: Empire is all around the better film.

Mike: I disagree. No Star Wars = No Empire. Star Wars = New, ground breaking, seminal. Empire = sequel, MKII, extension of preexisting idea, derivative. None of those things are really bad, but Star Wars put the entire movie world on its ear, while Empire was just a popular follow on effort.

Luke: . The special effects team was at their finest.

Mike: Story is the point, special effects falls into the “nice to have” catagory. Doubt it? Look at the original Star Trek. Lousy effects (heck, lousy acting too!). But great stories. And that is the more important of the two. Still doubt it? Look at Independence Day. Lousy story… but great special effects. No? Say out loud that you thing Independence day is better than… say… Wrath of Kahn. I dare you.

Luke:The plot was new...

Mike: It had better be new, at that price!

Luke: the characters gained depth...

Mike: Really? Like how? Solo already liked Lukes sister, Chewy was already protective, R2D2 was already annoying, 3PO was already… “special.” So where did this new depth come in? Detail maybe. But depth? I’m not seeing it.

Luke: Vader became a father.

Mike: No Luke, Vader had been a father ever since he mixed his genetic material with what’s her name. We just didn’t know it until Empire.

Luke: Nebulon-B frigates!

Mike: Well, they are nice I guess. But so what?

Luke: Lando!

Mike: Don’t let the smooth taste fool you! http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Lando_Calrissian
I’m not counting Billy D as a good thing here.

Luke: Super Star Destroyers!

Mike: Yea yea… just like the Super Big Gulp. More is better right? No always.

Luke: AT-ATs!

Mike: Agreed. But I already gave you “best battle” so this is old material.

Luke: C-3PO got blasted!

Mike: Agreed! Blasting 3PO is always a good thing!

Luke: I mean, you can't argue against this.

Mike: Oh, child of the kindly west…

Luke: Man, I've read it all.

Mike: Which highlights your inability to discriminate between the good and the bad.

Luke: And you seem to be a war-film buff, so I'm guessing you've read some similar novels.

Mike: Speculation and smoke.

Luke: All by illiterate and concussed veterans whose only selling point is subject matter and simplicity

Mike: Baseless character assassination. The last refuge of the defeated.

Luke: I've read "classics," and barring Hamlet Star Wars Expanded Universe trounces them all.

Mike: I’ve read The Scarlet Letter… and it Stinks! I think "Classic" is latin tearm that means "generaly approved of by whoever writes the syllabus." Dont seek shelter in orthodoxy! It's not a bunker, it's a ruin! Star Wars Expanded Universe trounces Pillars of the Earth? The Name of the Rose? Jaws (yea, it was a book)? The Stand? Put the pipe away before the pipe puts you away my friend.

Luke: I'll agree with you about the cartoon though…the weequay figures are awesome. ;)
Mike: Everybody is correct eventually.

Luke: And as you seem to think that televised cartoons comprise Star Wars Expanded Universe literature…
Mike: A distinction that only a true fan boy could appreciate.
Uncle Owen: “Luke… I’m shutting the power down for the night”

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| August 2, 2013, 1:45 pm
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