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BL - Plans for the Outlaws and the Coordinator
Almost done! This is what the majority ruled for the origins and intentions of the Black Lotus:

Quoting Last Thread

It looks like plan A, with nods from George Marshall and David TFNJ with emphatic support from Brick Boy and myself, is in the lead for the Origins and Intentions of the Black Lotus. Here it is restated, with two minor tweaks to satisfy all parties:

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-Who is the Black Lotus?
The Black Lotus is a circle of elite mercenaries hired by Borin (the youngest prince of Mythron) to kill his older brothers.
There are two "Black Lotuses". One is the organization causing the current trouble. It took its name from a symbol used by the Mythronian politicians who actually do the work of the government combined with the name of a legendary organization whose mystic abilities may come into play at a later date.

-What do the Black Lotus say they are?
The Black Lotus changes its story based on who it is lying to, whether the listener is Freeling or another recruit. For example, if they are after a conscientious soldier, they tell him that they wish to end corruption and bring peace to the land. They spread rumors at random and stick to no official story.

-Why the BL will kill the king
They were hired by Borin (Borin the Betrayer - it has a nice ring to it).

-Who started the BL
The third brother. Later he will order the BL to try to kill the second brother, but they will fail. The third brother either remains unknown, or he runs away. Either way, he will be planning to strike again someday - or he will be killed by the original Black Lotus.

-How the Mythronian High Princes fit into the plot, and which one becomes king.
Borin, the third brother, organizes the Black Lotus and wants them to kill Rowan and Saldon to clear his way to the throne. When the BL fails to kill Saldon, the Borin either flees or is mysteriously found dead. Saldon is then crowned. Despite his flaws, namely lacking the drive and genius to be an excellent king, Rowan was not in any way corrupt or unjust when he was the High King.

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The tweaks were a disclaimer protecting the name of High King Rowan and a second mentioning a political party that might possibly have reason to remove the High King who causes so much work for them, although they are too honorable to act against him (with the exception of Borin, of course).



In addition, this is what we had from earlier:

Quoting Last Thread
What we know or agree on:
-Brick Boy will try-but-fail to save the king.
-The Black Lotus will kill the Outlaw coordinator.
-FNJ and OoL will investigate the BL in their MOCs.
-Later, Nerogue and the Outlaws will team up to destroy the Black Lotus.
-The king is in Worsan.
-The BL is recruiting Outlaws to its ranks and sending them to Worsan.
-Freeling will kill the last member of the BL inner council.
-We will leave some loose ends to tie a later story onto.
-Rainos and Enalica do not incorporate their Black Lotus into their foreign policies, whatever individuals may decide. Instead, the alliance will likely take advantage of the chaos.

What we do not yet agree on (to be decided on in this order once this thread has served its purpose):
-What the BL is doing with its Outlaw recruits
-Exactly why the BL kills the coordinator, and what the coordinator thinks of the BL.
-Order of events
-December events (probably not to be decided until November)

Now we're ready to hit the last major topic: the BL's plans for the Outlaws and their coordinator.
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| October 6, 2013, 9:00 pm
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Here is what I think why BL kills the coordinator.

The Black Lotus gets in contact with the coordinator and Freeling as their "second-in-command" so to speak. The Black Lotus receive the first part of the plan from the third brother to kill the king. Freeling and the coordinator agree and he gets it done (the coordinator just does other things with the outlaws).

When the third brother reveals the second half of the plan (kill the second brother) to the BL, the BL went to Freeling and the coordinator. Freeling and the coordinator do not agree and thus the BL tried to kill them both. They succeeded in getting rid of the coordinator, but they did not get Freeling.
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| October 7, 2013, 3:48 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Freeling and the coordinator do not agree and thus the BL tried to kill them both. They succeeded in getting rid of the coordinator, but they did not get Freeling.
Why would Freeling and the coordinator agree about killing the king but not the middle brother?

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| October 7, 2013, 3:50 pm
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Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Freeling and the coordinator do not agree and thus the BL tried to kill them both. They succeeded in getting rid of the coordinator, but they did not get Freeling.
Why would Freeling and the coordinator agree about killing the king but not the middle brother?
Freeling and the Coordinator thing that the current king is an evil king.

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| October 7, 2013, 4:10 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Freeling and the coordinator do not agree and thus the BL tried to kill them both. They succeeded in getting rid of the coordinator, but they did not get Freeling.
Why would Freeling and the coordinator agree about killing the king but not the middle brother?

Maybe he doesn't know that it's the king. Maybe he thinks that the target is someone else - the king might be in disguise, seeing as he's a prisoner of war. Let's come up with a lot of theories before we choose one to go with. That worked pretty well last time,
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| October 7, 2013, 4:11 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Freeling and the coordinator do not agree and thus the BL tried to kill them both. They succeeded in getting rid of the coordinator, but they did not get Freeling.
Why would Freeling and the coordinator agree about killing the king but not the middle brother?
Freeling and the Coordinator thing that the current king is an evil king.

Exactly! I'm so confused after reading that last topic....
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| October 7, 2013, 4:31 pm
Why the BL wants the Outlaws:
-The Outlaws and the terrorist strikes in Mythron are a diversion intended to occupy the great minds of Nerogue and Mythron.
-Borin orders the BL to recruit them because he wants a private army.
-Borin orders the BL to recruit them because he wants to lure them into a trap and dispose of them, perhaps in the process of attacking Enalica or Rainos.
-The BL chief assassin recruits them because (S)HE wants a private army.
-The BL hires them to back them up during the assassination.
-Any combination of the above.

Why the Coordinator dies:
-He opposes the Black Lotus, so they remove him for dominion over the Outlaws.
-He finds out too much about the Black Lotus, so they keep him from talking.
-He plots to betray the Black Lotus, either revealing their secrets to the enemy or using their troops for his own ends.
-He decides he no longer wants a hand in the BL after the High King is killed.
-Other...?

Freeling's Reasons for Killing the King
-Money/treasure.
-Blackmail (again).
-The Coordinator asks him?
-He doesn't know that it's the king.
-He has a grudge against the king.
-He wings the explanation when the time comes ; )
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| October 7, 2013, 4:37 pm
Quoting Freeling .
Exactly! I'm so confused after reading that last topic....

Why is your character going to kill the king? It's your call.
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| October 7, 2013, 4:38 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Why is your character going to kill the king? It's your call.

Because he's not a good king, and Mythron has been declining because of his rule. And just a suggestion, but how about if the Black Lotus hires me to kill the king because of some evil secret dealings the king has had with some evil people...? I don't know who the people would be, but I thought that might be a decent idea. Any ideas on who the people should be?
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| October 7, 2013, 5:38 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Because he's not a good king, and Mythron has been declining because of his rule. And just a suggestion, but how about if the Black Lotus hires me to kill the king because of some evil secret dealings the king has had with some evil people...? I don't know who the people would be, but I thought that might be a decent idea. Any ideas on who the people should be?

I think this could go somewhere!
Perhaps, It could be a group of Rainosian nobles that wish to finish the king!
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| October 7, 2013, 6:09 pm
Darn. I liked the king, he seemed like a pretty nice guy when I met him.
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| October 7, 2013, 6:25 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
I think this could go somewhere!
Perhaps, It could be a group of Rainosian nobles that wish to finish the king!

Okay, so Freeling will kill the king because he thinks the king does a rotten job. We already determined who is after the king and satisfied almost everyone, so let's not go crazy with a Rainosian plot that would take another week to hammer out. Maybe that could be what the Black Lotus tells Freeling as the reason to kill the king.
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| October 7, 2013, 6:28 pm
Quoting George Marshall
Darn. I liked the king, he seemed like a pretty nice guy when I met him.

Yeah, I know, but he's been marked for slaughter practically since the group began.
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| October 7, 2013, 6:29 pm
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Quoting Freeling .
Because he's not a good king, and Mythron has been declining because of his rule. And just a suggestion, but how about if the Black Lotus hires me to kill the king because of some evil secret dealings the king has had with some evil people...? I don't know who the people would be, but I thought that might be a decent idea. Any ideas on who the people should be?

You could just mention it as a minor detail (major for you) in your MOC. The rest of us wouldn't know about it.
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| October 8, 2013, 4:56 pm
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I picked some out that I liked:
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Why the BL wants the Outlaws:
-The Outlaws and the terrorist strikes in Mythron are a diversion intended to occupy the great minds of Nerogue and Mythron.
-Borin orders the BL to recruit them because he wants a private army.
-The BL hires them to back them up during the assassination.

Why the Coordinator dies:
-He opposes the Black Lotus, so they remove him for dominion over the Outlaws.
-He finds out too much about the Black Lotus, so they keep him from talking.
-He decides he no longer wants a hand in the BL after the High King is killed.

Freeling's Reasons for Killing the King
- Because he's not a good king, and Mythron has been declining because of his rule. And just a suggestion, but how about if the Black Lotus hires me to kill the king because of some evil secret dealings the king has had with some evil people (mentioned in his MOC as an opening for us to use it sometime next year or whenever we feel like using it)

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| October 8, 2013, 5:00 pm
 Group admin 
I think it's time to have a whole big wrap-up of the BL. All in favor?
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| October 8, 2013, 5:00 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Nerogue! To the Faction group!

If anyone has any questions or thoughts about the Black Lotus, discuss it in the following thread:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=92022

Also, anything written about the Black Lotus in your MOCs MUST have a sense of uncertainty as to whether or not the things about the Black Lotus you present are true.

No one is allowed to say that they joined the Black Lotus.

But.. How am I supposed to kill the King? :P I mean, I kinda "HAVE" to show that I join the Black Lotus...
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| October 8, 2013, 6:21 pm
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Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
I think it's time to have a whole big wrap-up of the BL. All in favor?

Yup.
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| October 8, 2013, 6:21 pm
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
I picked some out that I liked:
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Why the BL wants the Outlaws:
-The Outlaws and the terrorist strikes in Mythron are a diversion intended to occupy the great minds of Nerogue and Mythron.
-Borin orders the BL to recruit them because he wants a private army.
-The BL hires them to back them up during the assassination.

Why the Coordinator dies:
-He opposes the Black Lotus, so they remove him for dominion over the Outlaws.
-He finds out too much about the Black Lotus, so they keep him from talking.
-He decides he no longer wants a hand in the BL after the High King is killed.

Freeling's Reasons for Killing the King
- Because he's not a good king, and Mythron has been declining because of his rule. And just a suggestion, but how about if the Black Lotus hires me to kill the king because of some evil secret dealings the king has had with some evil people (mentioned in his MOC as an opening for us to use it sometime next year or whenever we feel like using it)

Hear, hear! I think it is time to wrap up the mess, since I haven't seen any objections to this plan, yet. I'm really tied down at the moment, so please go ahead and finish without me.
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| October 8, 2013, 6:21 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Freeling .
But.. How am I supposed to kill the King? :P I mean, I kinda "HAVE" to show that I join the Black Lotus...
You're an admin....you are in control of who can and cannot join the BL.

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| October 9, 2013, 10:32 am
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