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I'm pretty sure you know what this thread is for by now...

Whatcha got?
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| September 26, 2012, 9:53 am
For my category " supersize a lego brick" can I make a large size minifigure? Just wondering. :)
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| September 26, 2012, 10:28 am
Is there some sort of page about all the statistics of MOCpages, like the number of MOCs, number of people, when it started, stuff like that?
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| September 26, 2012, 11:01 am
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Quoting Adam L.
For my category " supersize a lego brick" can I make a large size minifigure? Just wondering. :)


While the rules don't say not to, (so technically, yes you can) I'll give you my personal opinion on this.

I, as a judge, would rather see a single element built and my vote would lean towards the one who did that better.

Again, that's just me and the other judges may see it differently.

Short answer, yes it's allowed but... think hard on that one with what we're looking for in the category description.
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| September 26, 2012, 11:22 am
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Quoting Quad ?????
Is there some sort of page about all the statistics of MOCpages, like the number of MOCs, number of people, when it started, stuff like that?



Here's a little background on MOCpages:
http://www.mocpages.com/about/

As for number of mocs, that goes up every day. To find out where we're at, just go to the "everyone's creations" page and see what number is the first one posted there. It'll have the number in the URL.

As for number of people... There's over 90,000 accounts open right now but maybe... MAYBE 30,000 are active. That's just a guess based on activity that we Mods have to deal with on an everyday basis.
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| September 26, 2012, 11:28 am
Quoting Chris Phipson


Here's a little background on MOCpages:
http://www.mocpages.com/about/

As for number of mocs, that goes up every day. To find out where we're at, just go to the "everyone's creations" page and see what number is the first one posted there. It'll have the number in the URL.

As for number of people... There's over 90,000 accounts open right now but maybe... MAYBE 30,000 are active. That's just a guess based on activity that we Mods have to deal with on an everyday basis.

Cool, thanks! But remember that just because it has a number in the http doesn't mean that's how many MOCS there are, take into account all the MOCs that have been deleted.
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| September 26, 2012, 1:49 pm
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Quoting Quad ?????
Cool, thanks! But remember that just because it has a number in the http doesn't mean that's how many MOCS there are, take into account all the MOCs that have been deleted.


You are correct. And of course all the "non-mocs" that we haven't been able to delete. The variable number is just not able to be known...

...what does this have to do with the Olympics by the way?

If the answer is nothing then I will be more than happy to continue this conversation in the Advice Group.
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| September 26, 2012, 1:57 pm
For my category "Life Sized Object" am I allowed to build more than one life sized creation, providing the creations are related to each other?
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| September 26, 2012, 2:02 pm
My R2 category The Renaissance says to “Choose a scene set in the Renaissance period (different from the middle ages and typical "castle" stuff so choose wisely) and show us your take on it.”
I'm thinking that you probably mean to build a more realistic scene, of what life and city was like back then, but would this category also apply to renaissance paintings of scenes? The description only says to choose a scene set in the renaissance time period, and that's simply what those paintings are. Sorry if that's at all confusing, I'm just trying to clarify a few things in my own mind before I start building. Thanks!
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| September 26, 2012, 2:18 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
I'm pretty sure you know what this thread is for by now...

Whatcha got?

ok, so I've got a few for you - my category states,
'Monocolour MOCcing: Build us a vig, dio or whatever. You can choose whichever Genre you wish to build in but here’s the catch. You can
only use ONE color. Which color you choose is your choice but only ONE!'

Question 1 - what exactly do you mean by whatever - do you mean we can built it any size, or literally, we can build whatever?

Q 2 - can we use translucent pieces of that colour, and can we have light/dark tones of the same colour, eg, grey?
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| September 26, 2012, 2:25 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
...what does this have to do with the Olympics by the way?

...Good point. Thank you though! :)
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| September 26, 2012, 2:47 pm
Quoting The Timinater !
ok, so I've got a few for you - my category states,
'Monocolour MOCcing: Build us a vig, dio or whatever. You can choose whichever Genre you wish to build in but here’s the catch. You can
only use ONE color. Which color you choose is your choice but only ONE!'

Question 1 - what exactly do you mean by whatever - do you mean we can built it any size, or literally, we can build whatever?

Q 2 - can we use translucent pieces of that colour, and can we have light/dark tones of the same colour, eg, grey?

oh, and also, can I have other, unseen colours in my MOC, eg, for filling interiors of caves, etc?
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| September 26, 2012, 3:50 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
ok, so I've got a few for you - my category states,
'Monocolour MOCcing: Build us a vig, dio or whatever. You can choose whichever Genre you wish to build in but here’s the catch. You can
only use ONE color. Which color you choose is your choice but only ONE!'

Question 1 - what exactly do you mean by whatever - do you mean we can built it any size, or literally, we can build whatever?

Q 2 - can we use translucent pieces of that colour, and can we have light/dark tones of the same colour, eg, grey?


A1: When I say anything I mean... ANYTHING. I don't care if it's star wars, lord of the rings, bionicle or bellville. Any genre you wish is yours for the taking (just try to avoid things like "life sized objects" as they are specific to other categories. Other than that, the choice is yours.

A2: Now... wouldn't you agree that light grey and dark grey are two different colors? How about dark red and "regular" red? The same with trans, that is a different color scheme than solids. Pick one color and stick to it. As for "building up" inderneath stuff... as long as it's hidden and we don't see it at all, then it's fine. For instance, your main color is grey but you need black brick to build up a base under it, as long as we can't see any black, you're fine.

I only want to see ONE color (or shade of color) in your presentation.
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| September 27, 2012, 6:36 am
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Quoting Paul Romano
For my category "Life Sized Object" am I allowed to build more than one life sized creation, providing the creations are related to each other?


Of course. If say you built a blender and wanted a glass to go with it (as an example) then by all means. If the items go together then you're fine. Just don't give us like... a hammer and a computer monitor... wait, that could actually work too I guess...

Short answer, yes, you're fine.
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| September 27, 2012, 6:40 am
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Quoting Joshua Christenson
My R2 category The Renaissance says to “Choose a scene set in the Renaissance period (different from the middle ages and typical "castle" stuff so choose wisely) and show us your take on it.”
I'm thinking that you probably mean to build a more realistic scene, of what life and city was like back then, but would this category also apply to renaissance paintings of scenes? The description only says to choose a scene set in the renaissance time period, and that's simply what those paintings are. Sorry if that's at all confusing, I'm just trying to clarify a few things in my own mind before I start building. Thanks!


I would steer clear of things like paintings from the ren period. You never know, there may be something like that in the future...

And remember, I put in there to avoid "typical castle stuff" meaning we're looking for some sort of scene SET in those times.

Hope that clears it up for you.

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| September 27, 2012, 6:43 am
So wait, the prize for the longest TFOL/YFOL in the games, will get a prize? So if I am 14 or younger, and stay in the games the longest, I get a prize? Do more than one TFOL/YFOL get a prize?
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| September 27, 2012, 10:39 am
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Quoting Matthew Oh
So wait, the prize for the longest TFOL/YFOL in the games, will get a prize? So if I am 14 or younger, and stay in the games the longest, I get a prize? Do more than one TFOL/YFOL get a prize?


Nope, just one. The player 14 and younger who makes it the furthest will get the prize. If there's a tie (like there was last year) then we'll have another moc-off between the ties to see who gets the prize.

Good luck!

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| September 27, 2012, 10:49 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Nope, just one. The player 14 and younger who makes it the furthest will get the prize. If there's a tie (like there was last year) then we'll have another moc-off between the ties to see who gets the prize.

Good luck!


Okay, thanks Chris!
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| September 27, 2012, 11:12 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

A1: When I say anything I mean... ANYTHING. I don't care if it's star wars, lord of the rings, bionicle or bellville. Any genre you wish is yours for the taking (just try to avoid things like "life sized objects" as they are specific to other categories. Other than that, the choice is yours.

A2: Now... wouldn't you agree that light grey and dark grey are two different colors? How about dark red and "regular" red? The same with trans, that is a different color scheme than solids. Pick one color and stick to it. As for "building up" inderneath stuff... as long as it's hidden and we don't see it at all, then it's fine. For instance, your main color is grey but you need black brick to build up a base under it, as long as we can't see any black, you're fine.

I only want to see ONE color (or shade of color) in your presentation.

Thanks, I just wanted to clarify :)
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| September 27, 2012, 2:17 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Thanks! That helps me out alot!

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| September 27, 2012, 3:50 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

A1: When I say anything I mean... ANYTHING. I don't care if it's star wars, lord of the rings, bionicle or bellville. Any genre you wish is yours for the taking (just try to avoid things like "life sized objects" as they are specific to other categories. Other than that, the choice is yours.

A2: Now... wouldn't you agree that light grey and dark grey are two different colors? How about dark red and "regular" red? The same with trans, that is a different color scheme than solids. Pick one color and stick to it. As for "building up" inderneath stuff... as long as it's hidden and we don't see it at all, then it's fine. For instance, your main color is grey but you need black brick to build up a base under it, as long as we can't see any black, you're fine.

actually, more questions :)

Q1 - can I do a Nathan Sawaya style sculpture?

Q2 - I have a slight bit of another colour showing - can I just GIMP it out, or do I have to try something else?
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| September 28, 2012, 1:35 am
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Quoting The Timinater !
actually, more questions :)

Q1 - can I do a Nathan Sawaya style sculpture?

Q2 - I have a slight bit of another colour showing - can I just GIMP it out, or do I have to try something else?


A1: If you think you can do it (I couldn't) then by all means, go for it!

A2: NO PHOTOSHOP/COMPUTER ENHANCEMENTS PERIOD. We allow it for things like making a clear background but if it alters the image in any way then it's a DQ. This category is designed to make you build in ONE color, not multiple colors and then photoshop the thing to make it look like one. Seriously, that would be a HUGE rules violation ESPECIALLY for this category.

Yeah... don't to that. Rework your build and win(or not win) honestly.

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| September 28, 2012, 6:33 am
I have a quick question, is it cool if I take a picture using the sepia filter on my camera? it's not really photo shopping per se and it definitely goes along with my summer vacation story. Let me know thanks.
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| September 28, 2012, 12:17 pm
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Quoting Brick Savage
I have a quick question, is it cool if I take a picture using the sepia filter on my camera? it's not really photo shopping per se and it definitely goes along with my summer vacation story. Let me know thanks.


Here's my thoughts on that...

We're not allowing photoshop obviously as it skews (sp?) the judges perception of the moc. This would fall under that same category to a point.

I'm really on the fence about this one as allowing it would be unfair to those who wish to use photoshop. However, in past olympics we've allowed people to use "comic life" if they had a story moc to post...

Let me put it to a debate in the judges group and we'll let you know what the final call is in a few days.

I'll let you know that my personal choice would be to allow a single sepia pic to be added to the end and that the moc will be judged on the non-sepia pics. However we run this game on a voting system and every judge has an equal voice when there's a question so... We'll get back to you. In the mean time, keep building!
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| September 28, 2012, 2:29 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Let me put it to a debate in the judges group and we'll let you know what the final call is in a few days.

I'll let you know that my personal choice would be to allow a single sepia pic to be added to the end and that the moc will be judged on the non-sepia pics. However we run this game on a voting system and every judge has an equal voice when there's a question so... We'll get back to you. In the mean time, keep building!


Okay thanks Chris, here's a link to what I'm talking about it, I hope it helps http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/342248. And this is just one of the pictures i planned on using in my summer vacay story.
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| September 28, 2012, 3:16 pm
Alright, quick question.
I'd be much obliged if you'd get back to me as quick as you can as well, due to time constraints today.

I've got my entry for my bracket pretty much done, but I've still got a lot of tweaking I want to do.
My question is this, can I post a picture using my entry as a background for something else? Before I post it here?
Or would that be considered posting it for feedback, and therefore breaking the rules?

You can hardly see any of the background, but it is noticeable behind the main focus.

Thanks in advance!
Evan.
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| September 29, 2012, 3:17 pm
Quoting Lego Junkie

I'm not a judge, but if you refer to this comment (http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=21512&topicid=84726#comment-1072154) you can see Chris' ideas behind posting it to other sites. Best of luck mate!
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| September 29, 2012, 3:55 pm
For the Star Wars category, does the scene have to appear in the movie? Can it be implied that it happened? Also are Star Wars comics fair ge as well?

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| September 29, 2012, 4:39 pm
Ah, that helps loads Blake!
Cheers!
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| September 29, 2012, 4:42 pm
So, I'm getting nervous about these rules against editing pictures. Is adjusting levels to make the brick colors closer to their actual color and replacing the background with a basic color still OK?


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| September 29, 2012, 7:00 pm
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Quoting / TheBricks
So, I'm getting nervous about these rules against editing pictures. Is adjusting levels to make the brick colors closer to their actual color and replacing the background with a basic color still OK?


Yes that kind of stuff should be fine. We only get upset if you change the actual moc itself or the text that describes the moc. I find myself I have to adjust the levels in nearly all of my Lego photos so I think it's just a natural part of the hobby. Good luck with your next entry matey!
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| September 29, 2012, 8:54 pm
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Quoting My Name is Anonymous
For the Star Wars category, does the scene have to appear in the movie? Can it be implied that it happened? Also are Star Wars comics fair ge as well?

All right, the category sais it has to be "based on any one of the 6 movies or Clone Wars TV show."
This is open for interpretation so I'd say yes you can.
But bear in mind that this category is focussed around the spirit of 'Starwars' , we want a high "starwars-factor" .

As an example;
Some unknown pilot on some unknown planet fighting some unknown enemies wouldn't make a great impression,
a Bantha crossing the dunes on Tatooine on the other hand would be more interesting.

I hope this helps

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| September 30, 2012, 10:54 am
Quoting Sebeus I ...

I hope this helps

Yes it does. Thank you!
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| September 30, 2012, 11:57 am
Quoting Chris Phipson
I'm pretty sure you know what this thread is for by now...

Whatcha got?


As it is illegal for a friend to help with pieces, and with building, is it illegal for a friend to help with the picture taking? He has a much better photoshopping app, and the pictures don't look good on mine. Can I take pictures and photoshop it on his?

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| September 30, 2012, 9:22 pm
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Quoting Matthew Oh

As it is illegal for a friend to help with pieces, and with building, is it illegal for a friend to help with the picture taking? He has a much better photoshopping app, and the pictures don't look good on mine. Can I take pictures and photoshop it on his?

A friend can help with taking pictures but keep in mind that there are rules considering using photoshop as well (see "basic rules: http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=21512&topicid=84724 ")
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| October 1, 2012, 8:56 am
Quoting Sebeus I
A friend can help with taking pictures but keep in mind that there are rules considering using photoshop as well (see "basic rules: http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=21512&topicid=84724 ")


Yeah! Thanks Sebeus! Yes, I know the rules. I just needed his photoshop that can white out the background. Thanks again!
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| October 1, 2012, 10:09 am
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Quoting Brick Savage

Okay thanks Chris, here's a link to what I'm talking about it, I hope it helps http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/342248. And this is just one of the pictures i planned on using in my summer vacay story.


Sorry it took so long to get back to you one this.

We will allow the sepia pic as long as there are regular pics for us to judge the moc on. Good luck!
~Chris.

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| October 1, 2012, 10:11 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Sorry it took so long to get back to you one this.

We will allow the sepia pic as long as there are regular pics for us to judge the moc on. Good luck!
~Chris.


Alright thank you,very cool

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| October 1, 2012, 10:21 am
So what do you mean exactly by "float"? Does it have to float just long enough to take a picture? I don't think anything built out of bricks will float for very long. Define float.....

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| October 1, 2012, 11:55 pm
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Quoting LukeSC Overlord
Define float.....


Not sinking.

Jokes aside...

You'd be surprised how long a Lego "boat" can float if built properly. As long as it stays up long enough to take a few good pics of it you should be good. HOWEVER... this category specifically asks for something that "could cross an ocean." Now... we don't expect it to float for days at a time but... yeah... make sure it can stay up for a bit.
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| October 2, 2012, 10:42 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Not sinking.

Jokes aside...

You'd be surprised how long a Lego "boat" can float if built properly. As long as it stays up long enough to take a few good pics of it you should be good. HOWEVER... this category specifically asks for something that "could cross an ocean." Now... we don't expect it to float for days at a time but... yeah... make sure it can stay up for a bit.

Just to be helpful, You know that Lego is plastic, right? and plastic floats? I built a submarine, (LONG time ago) and had to hold it under water to see if the water didn't get in. (That was my goal)
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| October 2, 2012, 11:49 am
Thanks. @David.: True, how can I possibly fail this category?

Btw, Are the judges still giving scores on the mocs? I notice that some have gotten them, but I haven't, and I think there are others who haven't either.
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| October 3, 2012, 11:28 pm
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Quoting LukeSC Overlord
Thanks. @David.: True, how can I possibly fail this category?

Btw, Are the judges still giving scores on the mocs? I notice that some have gotten them, but I haven't, and I think there are others who haven't either.


Do you mean from round 1? If so then yes, you should have gotten a score. I'll check and see what happened.
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| October 4, 2012, 9:38 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Hi, Chris, I'm back with more questions :P

can I use paper in my scene as part of the background? it will be on the lego, but I want it to highlight an area. it will be a different colour to the MOC...
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| October 4, 2012, 2:40 pm
For my category "life size object" the rules state that I or someone else has to be shown in one of the pictures to provide scale. Is it okay if I don't show my face or the other person's face?
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| October 4, 2012, 5:28 pm
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Quoting Paul Romano
For my category "life size object" the rules state that I or someone else has to be shown in one of the pictures to provide scale. Is it okay if I don't show my face or the other person's face?

That's okay, you can also wear a mask if you like, the reason that there has to be a real person in a picture is to put the creation in perspective, how well does it blend in?
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| October 5, 2012, 4:51 am
For my category "Life Sized Lego Object", it states that I must include a picture of someone holding the object. As mine is not very large, would it be okay if I only showed my hand in the picture?
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| October 5, 2012, 10:11 am
Quoting Sebeus I
That's okay, you can also wear a mask if you like, the reason that there has to be a real person in a picture is to put the creation in perspective, how well does it blend in?
Makes sense to me, although I don't think I'll use a mask...I'm not that ugly :P I'll just get a back-shot of my body...

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| October 5, 2012, 1:02 pm
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Quoting Halhi 141
For my category "Life Sized Lego Object", it states that I must include a picture of someone holding the object. As mine is not very large, would it be okay if I only showed my hand in the picture?



That sounds fine mate, go for it!
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| October 6, 2012, 3:55 am
As you can see, I ve added an incomplete creation due to the problems I've encoutered with uploading and accessing the MOC pages. If I'll be able, I will try to edit it in the next few hours. If you really find this as a major break of rules, feel free to judge the main photo,the last photo and text only. Anyone who has visited the creation by now, could have already seen them. I sent an email to mocolympics@gmail.com at 11.26 p.m. CET, because that was the only one I could find on the internet when the MOC pages were down for me. I hope that the latter email adress still exists...

Thanks for your understanding!
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| October 7, 2012, 5:42 pm
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Quoting P. Voranc
As you can see, I ve added an incomplete creation due to the problems I've encoutered with uploading and accessing the MOC pages. If I'll be able, I will try to edit it in the next few hours. If you really find this as a major break of rules, feel free to judge the main photo,the last photo and text only. Anyone who has visited the creation by now, could have already seen them. I sent an email to mocolympics@gmail.com at 11.26 p.m. CET, because that was the only one I could find on the internet when the MOC pages were down for me. I hope that the latter email adress still exists...

Thanks for your understanding!



Here's what I see. I see a great entry posted with full text. One thing I've ALWAYS said is that we will NEVER let a MOCpages issue (like the one you're having) be a reason for a moc not being entered in the contest. I know many people have issues with the uploader and you've given us enough proof that your moc is "done" to say to me that you're truly having an issue with the uploader and not just trying to buy more time.

We will allow you to add more pics to the post as you are able to load them. Just please change the name of the post, taking out the "test run" part.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and good luck!

~Chris.
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| October 7, 2012, 5:53 pm
Thanks a lot!

I deeply appreciate this, because I really spent a lot of time building this creation...

Have a nice evening!


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| October 7, 2012, 6:03 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Chris, I posted my entry, but it just missed due to slow internet connection - it was just seconds late to be added to the group... please can you allow it?
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| October 8, 2012, 12:06 am
Quoting Chris Phipson


Here's what I see. I see a great entry posted with full text. One thing I've ALWAYS said is that we will NEVER let a MOCpages issue (like the one you're having) be a reason for a moc not being entered in the contest. I know many people have issues with the uploader and you've given us enough proof that your moc is "done" to say to me that you're truly having an issue with the uploader and not just trying to buy more time.

We will allow you to add more pics to the post as you are able to load them. Just please change the name of the post, taking out the "test run" part.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and good luck!

~Chris.


So is this good for me as well? I spent the last couple hours of yesterday trying to use the uploader, and only in the last thirty minutes would it let me upload one pic at a time on the simple uploader, taking ten minutes per pic. As a result I was one minute late.
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| October 8, 2012, 7:24 am
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Quoting The Timinater !
Chris, I posted my entry, but it just missed due to slow internet connection - it was just seconds late to be added to the group... please can you allow it?



Quoting Lego Obsessionist

So is this good for me as well? I spent the last couple hours of yesterday trying to use the uploader, and only in the last thirty minutes would it let me upload one pic at a time on the simple uploader, taking ten minutes per pic. As a result I was one minute late.


We're discussing both of your entries in the judges group. Hang tight guys...
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| October 8, 2012, 10:20 am
Chris, how many TFOL's under 14 are in the MO, besides me and Justin M?
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| October 8, 2012, 12:23 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
We're discussing both of your entries in the judges group. Hang tight guys...

ok, thanks a lot.

I understand if you disallow it, but it'd be real dissapointing...
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| October 8, 2012, 1:33 pm
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Quoting Matthew Oh
Chris, how many TFOL's under 14 are in the MO, besides me and Justin M?


Dunno... We'll figure that out soon though. Maybe during round three when we have more time for "chatting."
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| October 8, 2012, 2:09 pm
Okay.

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| October 8, 2012, 4:00 pm
Quoting Matthew Oh
Chris, how many TFOL's under 14 are in the MO, besides me and Justin M?

*raises hand*
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| October 8, 2012, 4:05 pm
Quoting LWC guy
*raises hand*

*me too*
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| October 8, 2012, 4:35 pm
Quoting LWC guy
*raises hand*

<.<
>.>
*raises hand*


JK :P
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| October 8, 2012, 5:59 pm
Quoting Lando L. Jackson
*me too*


and i!
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| October 8, 2012, 6:25 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
Chris, I posted my entry, but it just missed due to slow internet connection - it was just seconds late to be added to the group... please can you allow it?


Quoting Lego Obsessionist

So is this good for me as well? I spent the last couple hours of yesterday trying to use the uploader, and only in the last thirty minutes would it let me upload one pic at a time on the simple uploader, taking ten minutes per pic. As a result I was one minute late.


Ok guys, we've discussed it in the judges group and have decided to allow you both to post your entries to the group and be judged.

Now... it was also decided in the group to give you (and everyone else) a stern warning about posting so close to the deadline.

... let's not let this happen again.


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| October 8, 2012, 8:15 pm

When does the judging usually end, and the next round posted? :)
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| October 8, 2012, 8:34 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
Ok guys, we've discussed it in the judges group and have decided to allow you both to post your entries to the group and be judged.

Now... it was also decided in the group to give you (and everyone else) a stern warning about posting so close to the deadline.

... let's not let this happen again.


ok, thank you so very much!

lol, don't worry, it wont happen again! XD
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| October 8, 2012, 11:24 pm
Quoting Matthew Oh
Chris, how many TFOL's under 14 are in the MO, besides me and Justin M?

I am 14, which still qualifies me for the t/yfol prize.
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| October 8, 2012, 11:49 pm
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Quoting Adam L.

When does the judging usually end, and the next round posted? :)


We'll finish up with judging and get things ready over the next couple of days. Round three SHOULD be posted by Thursday or Friday.
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| October 9, 2012, 8:38 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Ok guys, we've discussed it in the judges group and have decided to allow you both to post your entries to the group and be judged.

Now... it was also decided in the group to give you (and everyone else) a stern warning about posting so close to the deadline.

... let's not let this happen again.



Thank you, oh merciful judges. I appriciate it.
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| October 9, 2012, 10:16 am
I've seen a little discussion on this topic before, but is it okay if I change my link to Annie's entry instead of just her homepage? Or is it important to know who posted first? Thanks! ~Ian
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| October 9, 2012, 10:27 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

We'll finish up with judging and get things ready over the next couple of days. Round three SHOULD be posted by Thursday or Friday.


Friday please! :P

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| October 9, 2012, 12:07 pm
Quoting Thoy Bradley
My understanding is you can change your link as long as your model hasn't been added to group yet, otherwise you should wait until the judging is done and then change the link. Its no biggie. The link is so judges can move between you and your competitors entries with ease. My 2 cents :) ~Thoy

I was thinking along the same lines, but I just thought I'd check. It would potential save the judges one less click.
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| October 9, 2012, 3:17 pm
I'm not complaining but Paul you are making me so anxious!! I really want to know if its me or my opponent who made it! ;)
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| October 9, 2012, 6:27 pm
How many Yfols are there in round 2? Not teens, underteen. 12 et under.
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| October 9, 2012, 11:35 pm
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Quoting Ian Spacek
I've seen a little discussion on this topic before, but is it okay if I change my link to Annie's entry instead of just her homepage? Or is it important to know who posted first? Thanks! ~Ian


You're more than welcome to change the link to her entry.
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| October 10, 2012, 6:42 am
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

Friday please! :P


Posting them Thursday or Friday won't matter as you'll still have the same due date. If I can get them up early to give the players an extra few hours I will do so, if they're not ready, then Friday will have to do (still 10 days).

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| October 10, 2012, 6:44 am
Quoting Gabe Umland
I'm not complaining but Paul you are making me so anxious!! I really want to know if its me or my opponent who made it! ;)

I second that!
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| October 10, 2012, 6:50 am
Quoting David .
How many Yfols are there in round 2? Not teens, underteen. 12 et under.

I may be wrong, but I believe that you are the only one.
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| October 10, 2012, 9:44 am
due to some unlucky events at work, I'm off for two days. Don't worry, I'm still in one piece. When is round three to be posted? This gives me some building time.
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| October 10, 2012, 11:24 am
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Quoting Giovanni & Lennaert Seynhaeve
due to some unlucky events at work, I'm off for two days. Don't worry, I'm still in one piece. When is round three to be posted? This gives me some building time.


I told you not to take your sausages to work with you...

Round 3 will be posted either thursday or friday. Still waiting on some deciding votes then I'll get it ready to go.
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| October 10, 2012, 11:50 am
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Hang tight guys. I'll have my end of the judging process wrapped up by the end of today if all goes well.
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| October 10, 2012, 12:20 pm
Quoting Paul Vermeesch
Hang tight guys. I'll have my end of the judging process wrapped up by the end of today if all goes well.


Awesome! Keep up that spirit guys, this contest is tha bomb!


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| October 10, 2012, 12:49 pm
At which round will the seven judge per entry system start?
Cheers,
L.C.V.
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| October 10, 2012, 2:55 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
At which round will the seven judge per entry system start?
Cheers,
L.C.V.


It'll actually be a 6 judge system with Kelso ONLY being brought in if a tie breaker is needed.

I haven't made the final decision yet but it'll be either round 4 or 5.

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| October 10, 2012, 4:16 pm
Quoting Adam L.
I am 14, which still qualifies me for the t/yfol prize.

Wait - You're 14?!?!? I thought you were in 16 range O.o

Oh well, winning the Tfol/Yfol prize just got a lot harder :)
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| October 10, 2012, 4:29 pm
Wait; of the aforementioned under-14-year-olds, how many of them have a birthday at which they will turn 15 during the games? If they do, then they are not eligible for the prize.
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| October 10, 2012, 5:02 pm
Quoting Lando L. Jackson
Wait; of the aforementioned under-14-year-olds, how many of them have a birthday at which they will turn 15 during the games? If they do, then they are not eligible for the prize.

*lowers hand*
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| October 10, 2012, 5:04 pm
At least that was the rule for the YFOL prize last year.
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| October 10, 2012, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Lando L. Jackson
At least that was the rule for the YFOL prize last year.


And we're sticking with that rule this year. If you turn 15 before the end of the games (Decemberish... don't know the exact date yet) then you are not in the running. You must be that age range for the entire games.
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| October 10, 2012, 5:20 pm
Now I'm glad that I'm not one year older than I am.
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| October 10, 2012, 5:29 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

It'll actually be a 6 judge system with Kelso ONLY being brought in if a tie breaker is needed.

I haven't made the final decision yet but it'll be either round 4 or 5.

Cool, thanks. I guess we'll find out in a couple of days. ;)
EDIT: Whoops, meant to say a couple of weeks there.
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| October 10, 2012, 7:03 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

And we're sticking with that rule this year. If you turn 15 before the end of the games (Decemberish... don't know the exact date yet) then you are not in the running. You must be that age range for the entire games.

.....I turn 15 on December 12th... Am I in the running, or no? xD
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| October 11, 2012, 12:26 pm
After looking around a bit, I have discovered that last years mocolympics ended on December 12th exactly!!!! The judges all voted on either the 11th or 12th.

I hope I am in the running for the t/yfol prize, since I don't expect to win any of the top 4 places. Although, you never know!
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| October 11, 2012, 12:37 pm
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Quoting Adam L.
The judges all voted on either the 11th or 12th.

Yes... but did the games start on the same day? (I honestly don't remember).

If the final day of the games (not judging, but the final due date for the round) is before your birthday then you'd be eligible for the prize.

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| October 11, 2012, 1:28 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

If the final day of the games (not judging, but the final due date for the round) is before your birthday then you'd be eligible for the prize.


My birthday is at the end of November, so that means i'm out of the running, no?
Unless all the other Y/TFOLs have already been eliminated...

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| October 11, 2012, 1:53 pm
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Quoting Gabe Umland

My birthday is at the end of November, so that means i'm out of the running, no?
Unless all the other Y/TFOLs have already been eliminated...


Being as the games will 99% likely go into December yeap... looks like you're out of the running for the young builder prize.

Guess that means you need to shoot for top 4 huh? Get building!
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| October 11, 2012, 2:33 pm
So for my category i need to make a reboot of something that should never be rebooted, correct?

For instance make Tom & Jerry all grown up?
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| October 11, 2012, 4:11 pm
This is probably irrelevant, since I lack the technical still for it, but for reference:

Would editing out shadows in my "Optical Illusion" category be allowed?
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| October 11, 2012, 4:22 pm
What are the rules on custom pieces?

I'm not talking about the Clone brands, I'm talking about Brickarms, Brickforge, etc... Stuff that designed to accompany LEGO not replace LEGO.

I'm planning on using such items in my next Moc.

I thought I read somewhere that it was okay, but I thought I would ask first instead of possibly getting DQed later. :)
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| October 11, 2012, 8:29 pm
My only question for my category is that are there any height restrictions?
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| October 11, 2012, 9:04 pm
A question about judging: Is it necessary for all of the judges for a particular matchup to respond to the MOCs? I only noted 2 of the 3 judges that commented in my matchup- for both my build and my competitor's build. I am not contesting the judging, just asking about the procedure. Thanks
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| October 12, 2012, 4:03 am
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Quoting Thoy Bradley
My only question here is: Are Trans Clear and Trans Black considered to be a part of the Black and White spectrum? Cheers!


I would say so yes. Just keep it in the black and white spectrum. No trans green or anything like that.
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| October 12, 2012, 6:50 am
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Quoting Gabe Umland
So for my category i need to make a reboot of something that should never be rebooted, correct?

For instance make Tom & Jerry all grown up?


Basically you want to take something "good and wholesome" and give it a "Gritty" reboot. So sure, Tom and Jerry revamped into mercs in a post apocolyptic world... Basically, anything "nice" made into "gritty."
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| October 12, 2012, 6:54 am
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Quoting Lego Obsessionist
This is probably irrelevant, since I lack the technical still for it, but for reference:

Would editing out shadows in my "Optical Illusion" category be allowed?


Nope, that would constitute using photoshop to alter the image. I know there's a grey area on that one but for this particular category it would kind of defeat the purpose in my opinion. Try using different lighting techniques to make sure shadows don't show where you don't want them.
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| October 12, 2012, 6:59 am
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Quoting Mark Erickson
What are the rules on custom pieces?

I'm not talking about the Clone brands, I'm talking about Brickarms, Brickforge, etc... Stuff that designed to accompany LEGO not replace LEGO.

I'm planning on using such items in my next Moc.

I thought I read somewhere that it was okay, but I thought I would ask first instead of possibly getting DQed later. :)


Brickarms, brickforge and all that kind of stuff is perfectly fine. Use all you want and good luck!
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| October 12, 2012, 7:00 am
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Quoting Stormbringer .
My only question for my category is that are there any height restrictions?


Yes... 300 feet. Stay under that and you're fine.

Read: Nope, no height restrictions.

And technically no REAL size restrictions. We're looking for "about" one city block but if you go over a bit or under a bit we're not going to DQ you. I can see where you'd ask that though given your particular category but yeah, on height... you're good.
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| October 12, 2012, 7:04 am
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Quoting JS Can
A question about judging: Is it necessary for all of the judges for a particular matchup to respond to the MOCs? I only noted 2 of the 3 judges that commented in my matchup- for both my build and my competitor's build. I am not contesting the judging, just asking about the procedure. Thanks


During these first 4 rounds there are 3 judges assigned to each match. If the first two judges agree on their voting then the third is not "required" as the decision on the match has been made. However, it is good form for each judge to leave a comment so you know where you stand. I'm sure the judge simply wanted to get the ones that NEEDED his comment done first and simply forgot to come back to yours. I'll find out which judge it was and ask him to fix that oversight.

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| October 12, 2012, 7:07 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Basically you want to take something "good and wholesome" and give it a "Gritty" reboot. So sure, Tom and Jerry revamped into mercs in a post apocolyptic world... Basically, anything "nice" made into "gritty."


So can i do Cinderella?
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| October 12, 2012, 7:52 am
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Quoting Gabe Umland

So can i do Cinderella?


Technically yes, you can.

On a personal note though, there is already a Disney princess category in this round so if I were building it, I'd avoid Disney princesses. That being said, there's no rule saying you can't so if that's your choice, then go for it.
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| October 12, 2012, 9:19 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Technically yes, you can.

On a personal note though, there is already a Disney princess category in this round so if I were building it, I'd avoid Disney princesses. That being said, there's no rule saying you can't so if that's your choice, then go for it.


Hmmmmm, i still might do it.....
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| October 12, 2012, 9:27 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

During these first 4 rounds there are 3 judges assigned to each match. If the first two judges agree on their voting then the third is not "required" as the decision on the match has been made. However, it is good form for each judge to leave a comment so you know where you stand. I'm sure the judge simply wanted to get the ones that NEEDED his comment done first and simply forgot to come back to yours. I'll find out which judge it was and ask him to fix that oversight.

Thanks for the explanation.
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| October 12, 2012, 12:03 pm
Hey Chip, for the board game category, does the "accuracy" clause mean that we must stay 2D for a 2D board, or does it allow for 3D rooms and such in a game like Clue? 2D boards are pretty boring. With 3D parts, a game could still be accurate to original gameplay, just be more fun to play and look nicer.
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| October 13, 2012, 9:35 am
Hi, I have a quick question about the photo-editing rule. (Like you haven't heard a thousand of these already, sorry.) Would it be okay to edit out the background and replace it with a gradient type fill? None of the actual creation would be altered or coloured, I just think that a gradient would look better than bristol board, and since my creation will be predominantly white, editing in a plain white background wouldn't look all that great.
Thanks,
L.C.V.
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| October 13, 2012, 1:38 pm
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Quoting Tyler Halliwell
Hey Chip, for the board game category, does the "accuracy" clause mean that we must stay 2D for a 2D board, or does it allow for 3D rooms and such in a game like Clue? 2D boards are pretty boring. With 3D parts, a game could still be accurate to original gameplay, just be more fun to play and look nicer.


I think I know where you're going with that... And as long as the game is still recognizable from the original (and don't go CRAZY with the changes) then you should be fine.
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| October 13, 2012, 3:54 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Hi, I have a quick question about the photo-editing rule. (Like you haven't heard a thousand of these already, sorry.) Would it be okay to edit out the background and replace it with a gradient type fill? None of the actual creation would be altered or coloured, I just think that a gradient would look better than bristol board, and since my creation will be predominantly white, editing in a plain white background wouldn't look all that great.
Thanks,
L.C.V.


You may have a clean, single colored background on your moc. If your moc is white and you don't want your background white, then you may use black, blue, yellow... whatever. Just as long as it's a single color.
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| October 13, 2012, 3:56 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

I think I know where you're going with that... And as long as the game is still recognizable from the original (and don't go CRAZY with the changes) then you should be fine.


I was wondering the same thing, thanks for the clarification. (I'm not planning to do Clue though!)
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| October 13, 2012, 3:58 pm
Quoting Stuart Lucas

I was wondering the same thing, thanks for the clarification. (I'm not planning to do Clue though!)

Neither am I. It was just an example. Thanks for allowing this, good sir!
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| October 13, 2012, 4:08 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

You may have a clean, single colored background on your moc. If your moc is white and you don't want your background white, then you may use black, blue, yellow... whatever. Just as long as it's a single color.

Thanks Chris, hopefully you don't mind one last question. What about shades of a colour? Like dark blue transitioning into light blue? I assume that you'd rather it to be just one shade, but I figure it can't hurt to ask.
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| October 13, 2012, 4:32 pm
Hi, I have a question about my category "illusionist". It seems now that I'm going to build several illusions, BUT a) some are not purist, and b) some may not be classified as "optical illusions", because definitions differ. If some are not what you judges expect, I'll understand that those builds are not taken into account in the judging. But can I be disqualified because of them?
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| October 14, 2012, 12:18 pm
Am i allowed to use cut stickers?
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| October 14, 2012, 1:50 pm
Related to Remy's question, the optical illusion doesn't have to be of the "impossible object" genre, right?
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| October 14, 2012, 5:10 pm
Quoting Lego Obsessionist
Related to Remy's question, the optical illusion doesn't have to be of the "impossible object" genre, right?

I second that question. And you can call me Tom ;)
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| October 14, 2012, 6:27 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

We're looking for "about" one city block but if you go over a bit or under a bit we're not going to DQ you.

Yeah, it looks like my Moc is now going to be a little below that "one city block" requirement, due to my lack of pieces.
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| October 14, 2012, 9:19 pm
No Offense, but I don't think this entry to R1 doesn't deserve to move Mortal up to R2. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/340617. The toilet technique was great, but the MOC is so small. I know this isn't really a question but please respond and tell me why.
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| October 15, 2012, 2:18 pm
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Quoting Tom Remy
Hi, I have a question about my category "illusionist". It seems now that I'm going to build several illusions, BUT a) some are not purist, and b) some may not be classified as "optical illusions", because definitions differ. If some are not what you judges expect, I'll understand that those builds are not taken into account in the judging. But can I be disqualified because of them?



Quoting Lego Obsessionist
Related to Remy's question, the optical illusion doesn't have to be of the "impossible object" genre, right?


This category is actually more open to interp than you would think. I only provided the link to give you some inspiration.

To kind of steer you in the right direction, the reaction that you want the judges to have is when they first look at the moc we go "Hey, how'd he do that?" and then two pics later we see it from a different angle and go "Ohhhh, now I get it! Cool!"

If your moc makes us do that then you're on the right track. Good luck!
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| October 15, 2012, 4:57 pm
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Quoting Gabe Umland
Am i allowed to use cut stickers?


Yes.
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| October 15, 2012, 4:58 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

This category is actually more open to interp than you would think. I only provided the link to give you some inspiration.

Thanks, but can you answer my question, about there being several illusions and possible disqualification? I don't want to be annoying, and if I'm not making myself clear, please tell me!
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| October 15, 2012, 7:17 pm
Would it be ok if I added my Mega Hinge Brick to the group?
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| October 15, 2012, 9:46 pm
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typically the posting here are those of the contest - your big hinge is nice but its not part of the contest

Quoting Timothy Dillman
Would it be ok if I added my Mega Hinge Brick to the group?


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| October 15, 2012, 9:55 pm
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Quoting Tom Remy
Thanks, but can you answer my question, about there being several illusions and possible disqualification? I don't want to be annoying, and if I'm not making myself clear, please tell me!


Sorry 'bout that. No, you would not be DQ'd for posting more than one illusion within your post.

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| October 16, 2012, 6:54 am
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Quoting Reynolds .
No Offense, but I don't think this entry to R1 doesn't deserve to move Mortal up to R2. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/340617. The toilet technique was great, but the MOC is so small. I know this isn't really a question but please respond and tell me why.


Short answer. Technique and parts usage. In the immortal words of Yoda, size matters not.

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| October 16, 2012, 7:04 am
Quoting Reynolds .
No Offense, but I don't think this entry to R1 doesn't deserve to move Mortal up to R2. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/340617. The toilet technique was great, but the MOC is so small. I know this isn't really a question but please respond and tell me why.


No offense, but you didn't even post anything for round 1.

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| October 16, 2012, 2:35 pm
Quoting Reynolds .
No Offense, but I don't think this entry to R1 doesn't deserve to move Mortal up to R2. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/340617. The toilet technique was great, but the MOC is so small. I know this isn't really a question but please respond and tell me why.
That’s it Reynolds you are in a whole world of pain! Hahaha only joking, no offense taken. I was very lucky to go through, to be honest I wasn’t expecting high marks due to the size of the moc but I was hoping to get marks for part usage and interpretation of the category. I think humour also goes a long way in this fantastic contest. You will never guess what I am having for supper tonight ;). Good luck to everyone still in the contest.

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| October 16, 2012, 2:46 pm
Regarding photo editing:

In my fantasy vacation category, if I were to make some photos look like polaroid snap shots (ie white frame and space for text at bottom) in order to enhance the “vacation” aspect of the category is that pushing the rule a bit? It will in no way impact upon or digitally alter the actual build and the photo will be completely intact within the frame…
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| October 16, 2012, 4:15 pm
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Quoting Leda Kat =^..^=
Regarding photo editing:

In my fantasy vacation category, if I were to make some photos look like polaroid snap shots (ie white frame and space for text at bottom) in order to enhance the “vacation” aspect of the category is that pushing the rule a bit? It will in no way impact upon or digitally alter the actual build and the photo will be completely intact within the frame…


Yes, that would be allowed. Just be sure to not alter the picture itself. What you're saying would fall under the "background" clause in my opinion.
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| October 16, 2012, 6:31 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Yes, that would be allowed. Just be sure to not alter the picture itself. What you're saying would fall under the "background" clause in my opinion.

Thank you honey bee.
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| October 16, 2012, 9:12 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

No offense, but you didn't even post anything for round 1.


Uh...Yes, I did.

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| October 20, 2012, 11:53 am
Not sure what is going on, but when I added my creation it shows a blank for the thumb....even though you can see the thumb everywhere else.
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| October 21, 2012, 6:36 pm
I accidentally labled my creation R2 instead of R3. Does this mean I'm DQed? I had time to change it, but Leda Kat (thank you so much, Leda!) pointed it out after I added it to the group, so I didn't want to touch it. I apologize profusely...my brain is really shot. Any chance I can still compete?
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| October 21, 2012, 11:51 pm
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Quoting Paul Romano
I accidentally labled my creation R2 instead of R3. Does this mean I'm DQed? I had time to change it, but Leda Kat (thank you so much, Leda!) pointed it out after I added it to the group, so I didn't want to touch it. I apologize profusely...my brain is really shot. Any chance I can still compete?

In this phase of the competition we won't DQ someone for things like that. You have permission to change the title (but no more than that).
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| October 22, 2012, 12:56 am
Will the judging begin today or tomorrow?
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| October 22, 2012, 8:48 am
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Quoting Gabe Umland
Will the judging begin today or tomorrow?

I will start posting comments with my vote this evening ;) (
I can't speak for the other judges but I'm sure they will be at it asap.
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| October 22, 2012, 11:05 am
OK JUDGES: I DO NOT WANT TO DO CONTROVERSY, BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION. I WANT AT LEAST AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS YOUR DECISION, NOT ENOUGH FOR ME, A SIMPLE: "YOU HAVE BEEN BOTH GOOD, BUT MY VOTE GOES TO LEGOPARD."
I WANT UNDERSTANDING THE WHY OF THIS DECISION.
THANKS RICCARDO.
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| October 23, 2012, 7:45 am
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Quoting Riccardo Zangelmi
OK JUDGES: I DO NOT WANT TO DO CONTROVERSY, BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION. I WANT AT LEAST AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS YOUR DECISION, NOT ENOUGH FOR ME, A SIMPLE: "YOU HAVE BEEN BOTH GOOD, BUT MY VOTE GOES TO LEGOPARD."
I WANT UNDERSTANDING THE WHY OF THIS DECISION.
THANKS RICCARDO.

No need for such 'capital' language, I take it you think your entry is better than your opponents' ?
I'l sure your judges have thought over the decision, eventhough the comment is short, the rules clearly state that we judges do not have to write a long comment, actually a simple "you have my vote" or "you don't have my vote" will do.

My personal opinion does not matter here (because I'm not judging your bracket) but I think both entries are very good, just understand that only one can proceed to the next round, do not consider this loss as a failure, at the end there will be only one winner.

Perhaps your bracket jduges will provide you some explination but remember, they are not required to.

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| October 23, 2012, 4:42 pm
Quoting Sebeus I
No need for such 'capital' language, I take it you think your entry is better than your opponents' ?
I'l sure your judges have thought over the decision, eventhough the comment is short, the rules clearly state that we judges do not have to write a long comment, actually a simple "you have my vote" or "you don't have my vote" will do.

My personal opinion does not matter here (because I'm not judging your bracket) but I think both entries are very good, just understand that only one can proceed to the next round, do not consider this loss as a failure, at the end there will be only one winner.

Perhaps your bracket jduges will provide you some explination but remember, they are not required to.

Thanks a lot Sebeus.
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| October 24, 2012, 11:45 am
Are we going to go Friday - Tuesday for this round? Assuming we are still looking at 10 days, we've gone waaaaay past Wednesday to Sunday and I want to get on with it!
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| October 26, 2012, 6:14 am
I don't want to be pushy, but if everyone's been judged already then what is the hold up?
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| October 26, 2012, 7:08 am
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Quoting Stormbringer .
I don't want to be pushy, but if everyone's been judged already then what is the hold up?


They're up.

And I've always said that they will be posted on EITHER Thursday or Friday (Friday being the actual "10 day" limit).

I like to be able to post them on Thursdays but it just didn't work out last night (work and family). You guys still have 10 days when they're posted on Fridays.

(Friday-1 Saturday-2 Sunday-3 Monday-4 Tuesday-5 Wednesday-6 Thursday-7 Friday-8 Saturday-9 Sunday-10)
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| October 26, 2012, 8:54 am
Quoting Ian Spacek

~Ian


Don't forget flat as a pancake too! BOOOOO!!!!! LOL
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| October 26, 2012, 9:29 pm
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

Don't forget flat as a pancake too! BOOOOO!!!!! LOL


We of course expect there to be some overlay in this so don't think it HAS to be a single layer of plate. We just don't want people trying to make "3D" mosaics.
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| October 27, 2012, 4:39 pm
Hey, Can I post a short video in my entry?
I've seen it done before, but I just thought I would ask. :)
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| October 29, 2012, 5:24 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Mark Erickson
Hey, Can I post a short video in my entry?
I've seen it done before, but I just thought I would ask. :)


Of course you may, just remember that it won't effect your score in any way (good or bad).
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| October 29, 2012, 6:08 pm
Hey Chris, when does the MOCAthalon start? Sorry, totally random, but I am itching for a new big contest.
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| October 29, 2012, 6:23 pm
Whoever created this category needs to step up and take his beatings like a man:

"Mosaics: We�re going to leave this one open a bit. We want you to �paint� an ORIGINAL piece of art using Lego. 2D only please."

And while you're here, I have a few questions I can't seem to get past. When you say "paint" an ORIGINAL piece of art, what is your definition of original? Can I create a mosaic based off of a past MOC that I built....even if it is a piece of architecture? Can I use existing landmarks to create the mosaic? Can I use a photograph as a reference to create the mosaic?

And finally Chris stated he thought some overlapping pieces would be ok, but this seems contradictive to the "2D only please" statement. Wouldn't you say that by adding an overlapping layer you would in fact be creating a 3D texture? Since Chris isn't my judge, I would like to hear if we would be penalized for creating this overlapping effect by the folks who are about to be my judge, jury, and executioners. Thanks!
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| October 30, 2012, 3:30 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor
Whoever created this category needs to step up and take his beatings like a man:

"Mosaics: We�re going to leave this one open a bit. We want you to �paint� an ORIGINAL piece of art using Lego. 2D only please."

And while you're here, I have a few questions I can't seem to get past. When you say "paint" an ORIGINAL piece of art, what is your definition of original? Can I create a mosaic based off of a past MOC that I built....even if it is a piece of architecture? Can I use existing landmarks to create the mosaic? Can I use a photograph as a reference to create the mosaic?

And finally Chris stated he thought some overlapping pieces would be ok, but this seems contradictive to the "2D only please" statement. Wouldn't you say that by adding an overlapping layer you would in fact be creating a 3D texture? Since Chris isn't my judge, I would like to hear if we would be penalized for creating this overlapping effect by the folks who are about to be my judge, jury, and executioners. Thanks!

Well, I didn't invent the category, but no, I would not penalize you if there was a plate or two's worth of thickness overlap in places if you need it to get a certain shape. That said, once it starts looking like one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Art, you're kind of missing the point of a mosaic. Just go for as 2-d as possible, but don't sweat the small stuff.
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| November 2, 2012, 4:55 pm
Is it too late to enter?
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| November 3, 2012, 9:08 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
Is it too late to enter?

Yes.
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| November 3, 2012, 9:09 pm
Quoting Daniel Henson
Is it too late to enter?


No not at all. Your category is:

How to Read the Rules of the Game --
Create a MOC depicting how you would actually benefit from reading the rules of the game before posting the most absurd question asked to date.

You have 90 business days to complete your build. When you're done, feel free to post it to the group.


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| November 4, 2012, 2:29 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

No not at all. Your category is:

How to Read the Rules of the Game --
Create a MOC depicting how you would actually benefit from reading the rules of the game before posting the most absurd question asked to date.

You have 90 business days to complete your build. When you're done, feel free to post it to the group.


From some of the comments I've seen (above & on your creation), I'm beginning to question, is "Walking like an Egyptian" not your real entry? I need to know for link purposes.

Thanks,
Ian
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| November 4, 2012, 4:46 pm
No Ian, this is probably his entry. From what I know Heath absolutely hates the mosaic theme and really had no time nor enthousiasm to make a MOC worthy to the contest. Looks like it's your lucky day!
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| November 4, 2012, 4:57 pm
Quoting Thoy Bradley
LOL - Did my Comment on Heath's MOC make you feel a little uneasy haha! ;) In all honesty I believe that both Heath and Gio are telling the truth. My comment was merely for the sake of raising eyebrows :)

It was actually more his comment about what is/isn't allowed that made me wonder if he was still going to take another stab at it. Under that assumption, your comment did raise a good point. Seems the jokes on me again. I'd do better just remaining silent. *faceplam*
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| November 4, 2012, 5:11 pm
Quoting Ian Spacek
From some of the comments I've seen (above & on your creation), I'm beginning to question, is "Walking like an Egyptian" not your real entry? I need to know for link purposes.

Thanks,
Ian


I've edited the page, but yes the link is correct. ;) Don't worry man, I wouldn't do that to anyone...Thoy's just teasing ya a bit. :P

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| November 4, 2012, 5:48 pm
Are you again interested?

I have updated the data chart for the contest.
You can see it at its new location...

http://mocpages.com/moc.php/345901
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| November 7, 2012, 12:18 pm
I would like to propose/request a change in the MocOlympics' rules for next year, backed by what I believe to be several valid points. Before going any further though, I feel obligated to say: (1) I am not asking the judges to reconsider the outcome of my match with Heath this year. Heath's entry technically met all the current game rules. I am not questioning his victory (2) I'm simply going to use Heath's entry as an example to try and make a bigger point (this is not meant to be a stab at him or anyone else mentioned). (3) Lastly, I've discussed what I'm about to say with several other people (others share this opinion, and encouraged me to voice it. It's not limited to mine alone). So, without further ado...

In years to come, can each player in the MocOlympics be limited to one build per round? Unless the category states otherwise. An exception might be "build a story" or something like that.

Once again, this is only for the sake of an example. I've seen it happen on several occasions:

Heath's entry could have easily been divided into 5 separate posts. He had 5 individual builds. That said, which build are the judges suppose to compare to mine? "Walk like an Egyptian" is just as much a part of his entry as the Cathedral. I think the distinguishing factor between what amounts to one build and what amounts to several should be: do the different parts make sense by themselves? Or do they need to be together to create a working entry. There should at least be some sort of balancing or averaging system.

When Cody judged, he said he was voting solely based on the best one (presumably the Cathedral).

When Shannon voted, he said it was the Vampire and Dog that he liked best. (Granted. They are excellent builds).

Was "Walk like an Egyptian" taken into account though? Or was it entirely passed as a joke?

I'm not faulting the judges here (what they did is perfectly within the current system. Cody voted for me, and Shannon for Heath).
But it goes to show that the judgments weren't based on the same ground. As the idea is Olympic competition (or so I'd assume from the set-up and title), I'd argue that odds should be strictly one on one.

I think these are valid arguments to make for the future. Please, please don't get me wrong here. By current standards, Heath won fairly and the judges voted as they are able. I'm not arguing this for the present. Over all, I think the MocOlympics are excellently designed games, this is just one small area that I think could be improved. Plus, the change would help diminish room for complaint.

A little side note:
I've seen some comments accusing me of acting over-confidently. In my own defense, I'd just like to point out: I built an entry like everyone else, and a posted an entry like everyone else. I saw Heath's first build and guess what, I continued to work on my entry until it was complete (it's not like I posted it half-built). No beating about the bush though, I was also duped like everyone else. ;) After all, the category did say: "Paint an original piece of art." Not pieceS (though that is currently aloud). I don't think it was unnatural for me to be surprised.

Well, I hope that made some sense and seems reasonable.
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| November 7, 2012, 4:32 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ian Spacek
In years to come, can each player in the MocOlympics be limited to one build per round?



Ian, this is actually something that has been nagging on me for a while now. Honestly, I thought about it last year and completely forgot to add it into the rules for this year.

I'll have to figure out exactly how to word it for next year's games (and I ask that you remind me about this when I open the group next year).

But yeah... this has been bothering me for a while and needs to be addressed for next year.

Thank you.

~Chris.

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| November 7, 2012, 5:46 pm
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Very valid points, here, Ian. We'll certainly be taking this into account in the future. It's a bit cheap to win on quantity, not quality, especially when the rules seem to limit the entries to one. Thanks for your efforts to improve the games, and it's a shame to see you go.
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| November 7, 2012, 8:58 pm
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Quoting Ian Spacek



Thanks for your considered and articulate questions Ian, they are very valid and should be fixed for next year.

To explain my decision, I don't mind judging an entry with many mocs against an entry with just one as often builders will try to build quantity, thinking it will score points, but quantity of mocs counts for zero if they're all low quailty. (Often in the mocolympics you will see someone trying to tell a looonnnnngg and boring story with many quickly-built mocs rather than taking their time to create one magnificent creation).

In the case of you and Heath, some of his first mosaics looked really simple but you got a sense that he kept trying to improve and to make some good ones in order to win. All I was looking for was one, or two, of his mosaics that I could hold up to yours and say "Ok, which one do I like better?" The fact that he entered sooooo many didn't matter because if they were all bad then you would've won.

Cody was right; you attempted shading in your mosaic which Heath didn't really in his which showed you put a lot of time and thought into your one entry. I think it was purely that the source picture you were working from made it hard for you--the picture of the angel is very 3-dimensional, very organic and with highlights and shadows. All things that are VERY hard to capture in mosaics and something that most of us normal people who avoid mosaics like the plague (!) would not automatically know.

Also, I think everyone who said you were being "over-confidant" are just extremely jealous of your ability!
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| November 8, 2012, 5:22 am
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Quoting Paul Vermeesch
Very valid points, here, Ian. We'll certainly be taking this into account in the future. It's a bit cheap to win on quantity, not quality, especially when the rules seem to limit the entries to one. Thanks for your efforts to improve the games, and it's a shame to see you go.


I've looked at the rules and can't find anything that says EITHER "only one entry" OR "you can enter multiple mocs" for this category. So I reckon this is where the confusion came from; Heath thought he could enter many and Ian thought he should only enter one, and they were both right.

Chris is right: each category will have to be decided on whether it can have multiple mocs or just one, ie, "Tell a story" categories will need many but maybe a mosaic or say "build a real-life object" limited to only one.

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| November 8, 2012, 5:27 am
Quoting Paul Vermeesch
Very valid points, here, Ian. We'll certainly be taking this into account in the future. It's a bit cheap to win on quantity, not quality, especially when the rules seem to limit the entries to one. Thanks for your efforts to improve the games, and it's a shame to see you go.


I call shenanigans! I can cite many times throughout this competition where you personally have voted FOR entries with multiple MOCs Paul! It seems clear what we have here is you coming to your friend's defense because he lost.

I don't appreciate you kids sitting there calling me "low", "cheap", and "deceptive". I did nothing outside of the rules of the competition, nor am I the only person who has posted multiple MOCs for a round. And I surely am not going to sit here and listen to a judge call me cheap when he has endorsed the use of more than one MOC with his past votes.

If you want to make some rule recommendations that's fine Ian, but you need to quit using barbed words towards me. I've seen all of your edits throughout the day(s), and can recognize you're trying to lessen the bitterness for the public, but it's still there on the surface (and in my e-mail). Your comments are becoming offensive, and need to stop.

As for my early post -- it's actually ENCOURAGED to post early to get feedback and comments in order to help improve your entry. We have a deadline, and can post prior to the deadline, but an entry is NOT valid until it is added to the group...something I did not do until Sunday after I edited it. I will admit I posted it as a joke, but I can see many people here have absolutely zero sense of humor on these pages so will refrain from doing so in the future.


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| November 8, 2012, 10:11 am
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

I call shenanigans! I can cite many times throughout this competition where you personally have voted FOR entries with multiple MOCs Paul! It seems clear what we have here is you coming to your friend's defense because he lost.

I don't appreciate you kids sitting there calling me "low", "cheap", and "deceptive". I did nothing outside of the rules of the competition, nor am I the only person who has posted multiple MOCs for a round. And I surely am not going to sit here and listen to a judge call me cheap when he has endorsed the use of more than one MOC with his past votes.

If you want to make some rule recommendations that's fine Ian, but you need to quit using barbed words towards me. I've seen all of your edits throughout the day(s), and can recognize you're trying to lessen the bitterness for the public, but it's still there on the surface (and in my e-mail). Your comments are becoming offensive, and need to stop.

As for my early post -- it's actually ENCOURAGED to post early to get feedback and comments in order to help improve your entry. We have a deadline, and can post prior to the deadline, but an entry is NOT valid until it is added to the group...something I did not do until Sunday after I edited it. I will admit I posted it as a joke, but I can see many people here have absolutely zero sense of humor on these pages so will refrain from doing so in the future.

I can understand the frustration, Heath, though I have to point out that Ian is not questioning your win, only suggesting a way to improve the games in future years. My comments are not directed to your build in particular, but rather to entries in general where multiple builds in the same post is tricky business.
In the end, it's really our fault. The way that this issue is handled depends on the category, and we as judges should have specified in this category that the number of mosaics you could submit should be limited to one. As for me voting for entries with multiple MOCs, again, this depends on the context of the category. A "Tell a Story" category is very different than a "Real Life Object" category, and therefore requires different rules for MOC vs. MOCs.
I show no partiality to Ian in this issue, only that I support his conclusion that, depending on the category, the judges should limit MOCs to one per post. All the judges have been thoroughly discussing the issue in the Judges' Lounge, so for the rest of the games, we'll call this issue resolved. We as judges have learned our lesson, and will do better next year. Let's not bring this up again.

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| November 8, 2012, 10:31 am
 Group admin 
Ok... everyone take a breath here...

First, Ian is correct that this issue needs to be addressed for future games (both here and the MocAthalon) and it WILL be addressed.

That being said, the way the games are set up now, Heath did nothing wrong. End of story. He played within the rules and the judges scored it how they saw it and he won the round.

Now.... before ANYONE says something that'll really tick someone off, let's end this conversation. Ian's right about the rules needing to be tweaked and Heath was right in his interp of the rules how they stand and how he played the round.

This discussion is over.
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| November 8, 2012, 10:42 am
Quoting Paul Vermeesch
It's a bit cheap to win on quantity, not quality, especially when the rules seem to limit the entries to one.


Paul this is why i didn't make it to round 4. You said, and i quote, 'He might not have beat you on the technique game, but he beat you on the quantity and cleverness game.' Notice the key work QUANTITY.

Now i still respect you decision Paul, but i think Ian has an extremely valid point, and it should be adressed.
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| November 8, 2012, 10:47 am
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