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Quoting Michael Rutherford
Gentleman,

The group founder has quit. It was a rash act, and he might already regret it.

First and foremost, I think we should yell over the railing form him to swim back to the ship.

After all, it's his boat, and we didn't mutiny, he just thought we were about to!

So lets agree that any time squid comes back, he is the boss man again.

Agreed?

Other questions that need to be answered until he comes back.
1. Who is the new boss? I nominate McCall. History, experience, and perhaps best of all, his name isn't Rutherford.

2. Does play continue as if nothing had happened?

3. If I surrender my country to somebody, another player, I could act like a "Rules Judge". Not a CM, but a guy with no bias who interprets rules, and issues judgments when two or more players disagree. Bad idea?

4. A squid really is a mollusk right?

5. Should we look at a rules re-wright?

What do you guys think of these questions, and what else do we need to decide?

1. I nominate Matthew M. too, he's a capable leader.
2.I guess so, it hasn't affected me, at least.
3. Seems legit :D
4. Yes, squids ARE molluscs.
5. Yes.
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| November 20, 2012, 2:39 pm
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Quoting Michael Rutherford
Gentleman,

The group founder has quit. It was a rash act, and he might already regret it.

First and foremost, I think we should yell over the railing form him to swim back to the ship.

After all, it's his boat, and we didn't mutiny, he just thought we were about to!

So lets agree that any time squid comes back, he is the boss man again.

Agreed?

Other questions that need to be answered until he comes back.
1. Who is the new boss? I nominate McCall. History, experience, and perhaps best of all, his name isn't Rutherford.

2. Does play continue as if nothing had happened?

3. If I surrender my country to somebody, another player, I could act like a "Rules Judge". Not a CM, but a guy with no bias who interprets rules, and issues judgments when two or more players disagree. Bad idea?

4. A squid really is a mollusk right?

5. Should we look at a rules re-wright?

What do you guys think of these questions, and what else do we need to decide?


Yeah, I would agree to that, if Squid comes back it would be fine to have him be admin agian.

1. Correct

5. I'm not sure we need a rewrite, maybe a little work but the rules seem good overall.


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| November 20, 2012, 3:41 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Mr. McCall,

Thanks for modding me. I will hold the title, and support your authority for as long as morals permit.

Not to be rude, but I recommend you De-mod Tyro. He has done nothing to assist player, or even to affect game play since the start of the group. Last night he said he was out of the game, so really, why does he retain the title? It's only out of habit.

Again, it's not about being rude, it's about being focused and purposeful.

Yeah, that makes sense, I'm just kind of used to having him be there and in general am reluctant about demotions.
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| November 20, 2012, 3:45 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Gentleman,

The group founder has quit. It was a rash act, and he might already regret it.

1. Who is the new boss? I nominate McCall. History, experience, and perhaps best of all, his name isn't Rutherford.

2. Does play continue as if nothing had happened?

3. If I surrender my country to somebody, another player, I could act like a "Rules Judge". Not a CM, but a guy with no bias who interprets rules, and issues judgments when two or more players disagree. Bad idea?

4. A squid really is a mollusk right?

5. Should we look at a rules re-wright?

What do you guys think of these questions, and what else do we need to decide?

Tryo convinced me to come back, at least for now. I wanted to say first, that I left mostly because after I recalled everything I said, it seemed everyone magically forgot what had happened, sided with what I originally said, Then used it to burn me.

Call me wrong but... We agreed before anything that I couldnt annex Talo, you even went as far as as to get every one to agree with you, I quickly went back on my word to suite the group, and got burnt.

This whole thing has hurt me inside, I even threw up.

So I will not accept being an admin, I will keep playing, but I feel that It wont matter because the group will get changed now to burn me, I was probably the best person to be in charge, I was fair.

If the rules change to let your nation become another, I dont care anymore. It should be someone unbiased. That means of cource someone who had nothing to do with siding in the Talo issue.


Squids are molluscs, but I'm not a squid, Im a nightmaresquid and they are half preying mantis half pine tree, so... yeah.
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| November 20, 2012, 3:59 pm
 Group moderator 
All hail the new Admin!

By the way, Matthew, can you take care of updating the map?
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| November 20, 2012, 4:00 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nightmaresquid
Tryo convinced me to come back, at least for now. I wanted to say first, that I left mostly because after I recalled everything I said, it seemed everyone magically forgot what had happened, sided with what I originally said, Then used it to burn me.

Call me wrong but... We agreed before anything that I couldnt annex Talo, you even went as far as as to get every one to agree with you, I quickly went back on my word to suite the group, and got burnt.

This whole thing has hurt me inside, I even threw up.

So I will not accept being an admin, I will keep playing, but I feel that It wont matter because the group will get changed now to burn me, I was probably the best person to be in charge, I was fair.

If the rules change to let your nation become another, I dont care anymore. It should be someone unbiased. That means of cource someone who had nothing to do with siding in the Talo issue.


Squids are molluscs, but I'm not a squid, Im a nightmaresquid and they are half preying mantis half pine tree, so... yeah.

Well, I would argue that you're wrong, but I don't want to cause any further drama, so I will refrain. Anyway, welcome back! :)
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| November 20, 2012, 4:05 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
All hail the new Admin!

By the way, Matthew, can you take care of updating the map?

I can, but it would be in significantly lower def than we are currently using, so if at all possible if Mr. Squid could continue to do it that would be the better option.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:06 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
I can, but it would be in significantly lower def than we are currently using, so if at all possible if Mr. Squid could continue to do it that would be the better option.
Things change pretty quickly in these hours. Now that Squid is back, he may continue with the map updates.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:09 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting Matthew McCall
I can, but it would be in significantly lower def than we are currently using, so if at all possible if Mr. Squid could continue to do it that would be the better option.
Things change pretty quickly in these hours. Now that Squid is back, he may continue with the map updates.

I sure hope so, it's hard to read the map with my method.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:11 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Gentleman,

The group founder has quit. It was a rash act, and he might already regret it.

First and foremost, I think we should yell over the railing form him to swim back to the ship.

After all, it's his boat, and we didn't mutiny, he just thought we were about to!

So lets agree that any time squid comes back, he is the boss man again.

Agreed?

Other questions that need to be answered until he comes back.
1. Who is the new boss? I nominate McCall. History, experience, and perhaps best of all, his name isn't Rutherford.

2. Does play continue as if nothing had happened?

3. If I surrender my country to somebody, another player, I could act like a "Rules Judge". Not a CM, but a guy with no bias who interprets rules, and issues judgments when two or more players disagree. Bad idea?

4. A squid really is a mollusk right?

5. Should we look at a rules re-wright?

What do you guys think of these questions, and what else do we need to decide?

1. why not you, you do a fine job, 1 vote from me michael.Unless the task of sorting arguments is enough alone, in which case I vote for Mccall as well.

2. He wouldn't want us to stop

3.Sounds like a great idea, arguments split these groups, we need this.

4. NO, squids are evil aliens from the planet zog who wish nothing but to suck out our spleens with drinking straws.

5.NO, the rulesas they stand work, as long as moderators ensure that common sense is used, some player craftiness should be respected. too many rules can destroy what was once a fun activity.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:12 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
sending an armada

dont forget, when you go to change the rules in your favor, that you cant curretly attack me so you will need to cut a few parts out so you can ally with rutherford.
Forget why the rule has been in place in conflict II, and why it exists.

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| November 20, 2012, 4:15 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid
Tryo convinced me to come back, at least for now. I wanted to say first, that I left mostly because after I recalled everything I said, it seemed everyone magically forgot what had happened, sided with what I originally said, Then used it to burn me.

Call me wrong but... We agreed before anything that I couldnt annex Talo, you even went as far as as to get every one to agree with you, I quickly went back on my word to suite the group, and got burnt.

This whole thing has hurt me inside, I even threw up.

So I will not accept being an admin, I will keep playing, but I feel that It wont matter because the group will get changed now to burn me, I was probably the best person to be in charge, I was fair.

If the rules change to let your nation become another, I dont care anymore. It should be someone unbiased. That means of cource someone who had nothing to do with siding in the Talo issue.


Squids are molluscs, but I'm not a squid, Im a nightmaresquid and they are half preying mantis half pine tree, so... yeah.

well said, but don't give up on another group. You did a great job as admin and maybe you just need a break. on this occasion, maybe let them have there way to cool things off, then get back to buissness in a short while.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:16 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Nightmaresquid
dont forget, when you go to change the rules in your favor, that you cant curretly attack me so you will need to cut a few parts out so you can ally with rutherford.
Forget why the rule has been in place in conflict II, and why it exists.

I think you misunderstand, I no longer want to attack you, and I'm not allying with Rutherford. Admitedly I didn't write this earlier since I was busy at scool, but I'm not attacking you over an issue that's already over, and it would be more of a spite move than anything else at this point. Anyway, exactly what rule or you refering to?

EDIT: Wait?!? When did I say "sending an armada? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?
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| November 20, 2012, 4:20 pm
Quoting jack kenyon
well said, but don't give up on another group. You did a great job as admin and maybe you just need a break. on this occasion, maybe let them have there way to cool things off, then get back to buissness in a short while.

Thank you, I will need some time though.

I feel that I did overreact, and maybe that was for the best. Now I know that the group is just like the others, when people dont get there way place your bets because fighting is human nature.

I still am mad that this is happening to me again. At least I wont feel pressure, and maybe now I can place my own. People dont understand how hard it is to put so much into something, and have it tainted like this.

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| November 20, 2012, 4:22 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid
Thank you, I will need some time though.

I feel that I did overreact, and maybe that was for the best. Now I know that the group is just like the others, when people dont get there way place your bets because fighting is human nature.

I still am mad that this is happening to me again. At least I wont feel pressure, and maybe now I can place my own. People dont understand how hard it is to put so much into something, and have it tainted like this.

I do think I understand at least a bit since I seem to have been in all those previous groups right alongside you. And yeah, arguments are bound to happen in this type of group, no way around it. I've found it's easier to deal with if you don't take it personally and try to use more logic and less emotion.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:25 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I think you misunderstand, I no longer want to attack you, and I'm not allying with Rutherford. Admitedly I didn't write this earlier since I was busy at scool, but I'm not attacking you over an issue that's already over, and it would be more of a spite move than anything else at this point. Anyway, exactly what rule or you refering to?

EDIT: Wait?!? When did I say "sending an armada? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

Sorry I was reffering to how rutherford wanted you to claim his land so I couldnt capture Talo, and how you said you would rather have rutherford capture Talo, and how now you have a bigger fleet, and ports.

My bad, Im still going to war with Rutherford, one way or another. Tyro wanted me to have it, and so did I. So it should belong to me, since he left on that note Im sure he still does.
Even if I cant capture it instantly its going down. I dont care how many slaves rutherford will say I own, there is one clear person who is justified, and one that is going out of his way to attck me.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:30 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting P4perweight .
Im sorry, but is the rule we have spent the past day discussing allowed or not? Mr. Squids post has me confuzzled.... And please, this is a straight up yes or no.

I think Talo has been converted into an NPC and Rutherford and Squid will fight over it. I really don't have any reason to get involved directly, although I may have some excellent hardware both sides may be interested in...
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| November 20, 2012, 4:42 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
Hmm...I would just like to point out what I thought would be right IF you could combine. I went to bed after that post. You were, no doubt, a good group leader. I was rather confused at the moment with what was happening. But anyways, welcome back. This is to the whole group:we need to come up with an leadership system, where things can be decided. Remember, it takes more than 1 person to run a big boat. And pine tree? That put a smile on my face. :)

I cant run this group anymore, all I do is let everyone else decide the rules. In fact it was me who always thought the people should run the group. Now I feel any decision made will be considered wrong, I will still make the maps. Im sorry about how I handled this, but I feel the same.

The rules could be edited, made clearer, not changed. We should pull them back, and base them on how we have been playing, forget anything mentioned rule wise posted these past two days, and base them on what we thought they were. Maybe two admins is harsh anyways.

And of cource the rule that no alliances are allowed is to prevent being ganged up on. Doesnt matter how good you are at building, or how smart you are, if the world is at war with you, you will lose.
I may not be an admin, but having created the group I know this is to cherish. We shouldnt reinvoke that game breaking factor that sunk conflict.
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| November 20, 2012, 4:43 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting P4perweight .
You didnt give a starght up yes or no :) No worries, I understand. And we may be interested in that hardware too, if it happens to be jets or tanks. :) *

We may be able to offer some, albeit only less advanced models.
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| November 20, 2012, 6:22 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting P4perweight .
We need both, and our lead designer cant plan them out if his life depended on it. So we need Air-to-air jets, and basic MBTs. And they need to be fast and small, if possible.

I have my F-15's which are basically F-15SE Silent Eagles (it's better than the US F-15s), as well as my older Behemoth MBT.
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| November 20, 2012, 6:55 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford
Mr. McCall, my offer still stands. It got confusing for a while, what with all the quitting, vomiting, returning, and complaining... madness. But:

If you send aircraft, and vessles to operate out of Talo, durring the impending war with the quitter, you can begin annexing territories right there in ajacent teritories. (I would give you Talo, but I don't think it's legal at this exact moment).

I mean, what else is there in terms of incentive? There is no money, and I have no assets you need in trade.

My troops are moving across Talo right now.

Tyro, who quit last night when he thought it would be on is terms, will inveitably... come rolling back onto the stage because now it's about the rage and the fury (sigh).

So, really, if there is some specific trade, or deal, or angle you are looking for: Name your terms man.

Attack!

Its not legal, it never was, at least I never made it.

Mine will be there shortly also. I can send troops in aircraft, with the nation so close to me, yes it is, they will arive quicker than your boats...

Cargo aircraft ... 600mph, sailboats go.... less than 50.

You may get there first... but I will arive so close, since it takes two weeks to annex a territory... it wont matter the war will happen before you own Talo.

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| November 20, 2012, 7:59 pm

Nightmare Quitter, you are consistently self serving, loud, and I think, you need to get back on your meds.

Take Talo for free, give yourself that medal, and wipe the vomit off your chin.

You have many months of throne pounding ahead of you little king.

My patients along with my interest is finally and irrevocably exhausted.

Attack!

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| November 20, 2012, 8:14 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford

Nightmare Quitter, you are consistently self serving, loud, and I think, you need to get back on your meds.

Take Talo for free, give yourself that medal, and wipe the vomit off your chin.

You have many months of throne pounding ahead of you little king.

My patients along with my interest is finally and irrevocably exhausted.

Attack!

Whatever bro, Im right. I dont need to be an admin, its the rules, you dont own Talo untill the two week limit, Its been a rule for months, and you aproved of it.
I was doing this fairly, declaring war is a group function, the main one to be exact. Blaming me is all you have going for you.

Somehow its my fault you call me names, and attack me,
I have sided with you on the rules, then you change them again so it suites you.
I dont care if your mad, its not my group anymore, just playing fair. So Who is pounding on there throne now... not me, I dont even have a chair.

You made most of these rules.. so blame yourself thats where the blame goes.


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| November 20, 2012, 8:30 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford

Nightmare Quitter, you are consistently self serving, loud, and I think, you need to get back on your meds.

Take Talo for free, give yourself that medal, and wipe the vomit off your chin.

You have many months of throne pounding ahead of you little king.

My patients along with my interest is finally and irrevocably exhausted.

Attack!
To clear this up

"In player v. NPC, you (the player) control the action. It takes 14 days at the least to win an NPC war, but you cannot lose."

So it takes 14 days wow, that sort of puts a hole in this.. doesnt it?


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| November 20, 2012, 8:37 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
So...war is imminent? Stuff's about to go down!

I hope it does, he might just leave now. I hope he can calm down and go through with the war, he might win, you never know. Seeing how Im not an Admin its not like I have a unfair atvantage.
Even if this never happened, I would have still demoted myself, thats who I am. I even made a group rule way back stating how group members can vote if they are unhappy. Thats why in revoked the joining rule yesterday, almost nobody agreed.

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| November 20, 2012, 8:48 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting P4perweight .
Mmmmm....Michael? Youre stats are gone. And I know you know the rule..... :I

Im starting think this may be the end of the group sadly. We're tumbling downhill it seems. Ill try to keep going. :)

He left :'( All this from one dispute... DX
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| November 21, 2012, 11:38 am
 Group moderator 
Quoting Matthew McCall
He left :'( All this from one dispute... DX

This is the internet. You shouldn't take anyone seriously.
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| November 21, 2012, 12:46 pm


Quoting Matthew McCall
He left :'( All this from one dispute... DX

Thats probaby it for this group, It might be easier to revive it with the next group.
Are all of you ok with this, because Ive been planning it since before Conflict II ended, The next group I mean.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5774/psuedoearthatlantic.png

Look on the bright side, we got a working set of rules from this, we could be claiming land in a weeks time.

Anybody with me?
We could always wait untill after Thanksgiving if you guys want.


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| November 21, 2012, 4:21 pm
 Group moderator 
This new map looks interesting. By the way, will it use the same technology level as in this group?
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| November 21, 2012, 4:33 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
This new map looks interesting. By the way, will it use the same technology level as in this group?

Yes thats what I would want, of cource when I make the group we can vote.

Note how there is 100 more nations now, we will pick four when when we join.
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| November 21, 2012, 4:46 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
Hmmm...I think Ill sit out then if we start a new group. Why would we need to restart? We just take out the countires of those who left. Or we can start the new map, just we get an equal amount of territories to all we have. I dont want to start ALL over. Im not doing a WWII or future group either. And we need to come up with a set of rules. Wait....I have a different group we can use called War Games. We can just shift there. I honestly dont know.

Having the new map might be better, active members can pick a new nation. The curret map is cluttered, and disorganized. With rutherford gone members might not want to play in this group anymore.
We can just do modern again, mostly everyone has modern creations. A fresh start will be good, this C&C is a dead end now.
I will create the group, with a new backstory.
I was thinking of calling it Peace&Strife.
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| November 21, 2012, 4:55 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
Or we can transfer here.....
http://www.mocpages.com/group.php/21800

But I already created it :(
I can have the one I created fully set up by tommorow. Btw the rules for this group are nearly perfect, they have been fixed last month, and besides two spelling errors there isnt anything wrong with them.

This was only because of allowing nations to join, something I should never have suggested, but its not part of the rules.
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| November 21, 2012, 5:29 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
The rules are in the works for my group. And honestly, C&C is a bit too slow paced. I fixed that problem in War Games, and chaged 1 or 2 things. I dont see why you seem to use your group over just using mine. We need to change it up, make it better for people who do not like as slow pace. It's 2x speed, solving that problem. Also, Id like to make war....more occuring. That, Im trying to solve.


We could make two groups again, like D&C, and Conflict II. Ive been working on this for a long time to. Can you send me an invite?

these rules are proven to work, and at the least should be copied and edited. Capture speed can change, but deleating rules that are there for a reason, and starting from scratch will take weeks.

Its a bad idea bro, the rules have been based on five years of experience, creating a whole new set wil just put us back to square one. At least keep most of the solid ones.

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| November 21, 2012, 5:49 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
No, it would be better to have 1 group. And Im taking inspiration from here, I have lots done.

Eh, I dont see a problem with two groups, its best to give people options. I dont want to have wasted another afternoon creating something, mine is set up, its done.

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| November 21, 2012, 6:12 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
This option could halve the groups size if nobody joins. And the strong members may follow you, and Ill have nobody that is commonly active. Blarg, how do you create your maps? This'll take a while to do.

Its hard, you need photoshop, and imageshack.
Paint wont work.
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| November 21, 2012, 6:41 pm
I have another proposal. Since me, Matthew M., Matt S. , and Mastermind have developed nations a lot bigger than those in any other of our war groups, except maybe the original Conflict, how about we revive D&C? Nightmare also has a big country with lots of tech from Talo, and we were about to have a war with Talo. David Cook also has returned. With a slight rules tweak D&C can become an excellent group. Please at least consider my proposal, since D&C is our most developed group ATM. - PALADIN out
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| November 22, 2012, 12:38 am
 Group admin 
Quoting PALADIN .
I have another proposal. Since me, Matthew M., Matt S. , and Mastermind have developed nations a lot bigger than those in any other of our war groups, except maybe the original Conflict, how about we revive D&C? Nightmare also has a big country with lots of tech from Talo, and we were about to have a war with Talo. David Cook also has returned. With a slight rules tweak D&C can become an excellent group. Please at least consider my proposal, since D&C is our most developed group ATM. - PALADIN out

The thing is, at least for ground and air forces, I can litteraly defeat every single other military in the game at the same time quite easilly, the stats for my forces is really double what is currently posted since it's been so long since I've updated them, and I even have about a dozen creations that were added to the pages that haven't even started being manufactured. Not to mention I may or may not have a large amount of unadded creations that are awaiting their arival on tha pages... basically, to sum it up I'm pretty much an unopposed superpower (except for space) by a much larger margin than even here. Not only that, I think modern groups are easier to play with as you don't have as much tech issues and space and all that future stuff.
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| November 22, 2012, 1:36 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
The thing is, at least for ground and air forces, I can litteraly defeat every single other military in the game at the same time quite easilly, the stats for my forces is really double what is currently posted since it's been so long since I've updated them, and I even have about a dozen creations that were added to the pages that haven't even started being manufactured. Not to mention I may or may not have a large amount of unadded creations that are awaiting their arival on tha pages... basically, to sum it up I'm pretty much an unopposed superpower (except for space) by a much larger margin than even here. Not only that, I think modern groups are easier to play with as you don't have as much tech issues and space and all that future stuff.

Think of all the effort we put into it. It'd be sad to just let it go to waste. Besides, we were closer to war than here or the new groups. But if this is your decision, I can't make you come back to D&C. At least I tried.
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| November 22, 2012, 2:10 am
So, considering what Matthew said, is it really worth it to actually join in? Sorry PALADIN, I'm just not sure what to do. :/
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| November 22, 2012, 4:31 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting PALADIN .
Think of all the effort we put into it. It'd be sad to just let it go to waste. Besides, we were closer to war than here or the new groups. But if this is your decision, I can't make you come back to D&C. At least I tried.

Oh, I haven't left, I'm still working on making more stuff for D&C. :)
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| November 22, 2012, 6:48 pm
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