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| November 3, 2012, 9:43 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
I have a few ideas to make the Wasp better after looking at some pictures of Blackhawks....
I know that feeling. A moc can never be perfect, you always find something you want to improve, just like me with my tank. I'm improving it for 3 months so far.

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| November 6, 2012, 2:12 am
I would like it if someone could post a link too every thread with a major rule convo, and the number of posts down or up to the final rule. I would like to post a complete list of the rules in the rules.
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| November 6, 2012, 1:38 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
I would like it if someone could post a link too every thread with a major rule convo, and the number of posts down or up to the final rule. I would like to post a complete list of the rules in the rules.

A good place to look at is previous general convos. Michael asked a lot there, so search for his name and you will find some rules for sure.
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| November 6, 2012, 4:37 pm
Quoting P4perweight .
Oh my.... :O

Yes which is why you should trim the comment.
:)
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| November 7, 2012, 12:20 pm
 Group admin 
It's basically a Cobra Gunship, right? Anyway, perhaps a second type of munition on the wings would be good as well, and if possible replace the colored bricks.
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| November 9, 2012, 12:26 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Evan Constantine
Is this the correct thread to make trade proposals?

Well, it can be done here, but also in statistics, and even in international news if done "in character". Basically, trade proposels can be written in a variety of threads.
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| November 10, 2012, 3:27 am
Aye! I have returned! Sorry for 0% activity guys, I started high school (in my country we start our equivalent of high school at age of fourteen), and I had tons of stuff to do, I also got a new computer and my camera is finaly repaired, so I hope to become active again. Anyways, will one of the admins/mods be so kind to brief me on the current situation in the group?
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| November 10, 2012, 8:51 am
 Group admin 
Ah yes, I agreed to Mr. Squid's terms since it basically changed nothing for my original plan, and felt no need to point this out to him. There would have been no point in risking him making terms that actually would have mattered. XD
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| November 10, 2012, 11:53 am
Hey guys, I will most likely be taking a one week absence from mocpages. So Ill see you next week. keep the group running till I get back.
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| November 10, 2012, 12:02 pm
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Hey guys, I will most likely be taking a one week absence from mocpages. So Ill see you next week. keep the group running till I get back.
Roger roger.

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| November 10, 2012, 12:04 pm
 Group admin 
Yes, a locked rule thread is an extremely good idea, as it would make things much simpler.
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| November 10, 2012, 10:46 pm
 Group admin 
Mr. Rutherford is correct on this matter, admins have final say on rule making by default unless a group is specifically set up differently. And in my experience, having multiple admins can be... problomatic.
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| November 12, 2012, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Michael Rutherford

It can be. But these two seem to mesh pretty well. Well to be honest, Mr. Squid seems involved and Mr. Cook doesn't seem to be invloved much at all.

Do you think there might be friction between these two? Seems unlikely to me.

Nah, they get along fine. But you will notice Tyro doesn't do much around here. Anyway, I was more refering to several previous groups that had admin issues. Also, DAC, a group I'm an admin in, it can take a long time to get a new rule made due to all the admins having to agree.
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| November 13, 2012, 11:29 am
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Quoting Michael Rutherford

Well, he's not active, but he keeps one toe in the water. On 5 NOV, the same day Mr. Squid put out several reminders that inactive members would become NPCs, Mr. Cook issued a random comment (about nuking the world). I think his intent was to show that he is in fact alive and still in the group.

I believe you are correct. I have other ways of contacting Tyro outside of MOC Pages, so I could double check.
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| November 13, 2012, 11:31 am
Hey guys, wanted to ask this for a long time. Does any of you happen to play World of Tanks? More specifically, on the EU server. I find it really hard to find people to play with, and it's an epic game.
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| November 13, 2012, 11:36 am
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Quoting PALADIN .
Hey guys, wanted to ask this for a long time. Does any of you happen to play World of Tanks? More specifically, on the EU server. I find it really hard to find people to play with, and it's an epic game.
I'm playing on the EU server too. My nickname is adjalpezt0. You can add me if you want to.

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| November 13, 2012, 12:18 pm
Quoting Matthew Sylvan
Quoting PALADIN .
Hey guys, wanted to ask this for a long time. Does any of you happen to play World of Tanks? More specifically, on the EU server. I find it really hard to find people to play with, and it's an epic game.
I'm playing on the EU server too. My nickname is adjalpezt0. You can add me if you want to.

Sure. My WoT nick is Alpha135.
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| November 13, 2012, 1:49 pm
Another question. As I was inactive for some time, did production in my country continue or it was stopped? I wanna know so I can update my stats.
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| November 14, 2012, 2:24 am
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Quoting P4perweight .
I think you have been producing vehicles the whole time. You were not active in the group, and you did not cease production(I dont think). So I would think yes, you were not active in this group, but your nation is still active. Would anyone like to correct me if Im wrong?

This sounds right to me.
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| November 14, 2012, 9:06 am
OK, then, I shall assume I've been producing stuff.
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| November 14, 2012, 9:10 am
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Quoting Evan Constantine
I'm sorry if you are disappointed with the group but there are so many things that can happen, it is hard to come up with rules for all of them.

Answering your question, yes, there is only Squid for deciding on rules currently. Also, it is really hard to run a group all alone. Of course, the moderators are great help, but it is all up to you to keep the group running.
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| November 14, 2012, 1:12 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
Stupid question, but do I get a ship initially when post it? I seem to overthink things and confuse myself.
Before asking a question regarding production, read about it. It's clearly written in the Statistics thread.

After you make each creation you automaticaly get a jump start bunus, of an added half of the total number you can build but only once, wartime bonuses are similar but you get a half every week. Ships dont get this bonus.

So, you have to wait with ships and actually build them.
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| November 14, 2012, 1:18 pm
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You guys seriously can't find the rules? Go to the main page of the group, scroll down and BAM! You found the group's rules. It even glows in blue.
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| November 14, 2012, 1:31 pm
Ok Im back, Can someone please tell me there concernes, and what rule you want passed.
I will get to it tommmoro, I havent slept in 30 hours.
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| November 14, 2012, 3:17 pm
Quoting Evan Constantine
Sine you asked, I'd like to know if I can take two territories at once. I understand there is an economic consequence, but starting the game so late, I'd like to try it anyway.

So, in short, I'd like to know if I can take two territories right out of the gate, and what it will cost me. If it helps your decision at all, I'm stopping all production right after the attack.

how about 2 weeks & 6 weeks cooldown, equal two four weeks per territory & 4 weeks cooldown

Quoting Michael Rutherford

Wait wait wait...
Where did you go that you didn't sleep for 30 hours?

I went to florida for a weekend, I cant sleep very well on planes.
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| November 15, 2012, 10:35 am
Hello guys! Thanks for letting me in this group :P I'll start a new country as soon as possible.
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| November 15, 2012, 6:41 pm
Quoting Mastermind º
Hello guys! Thanks for letting me in this group :P I'll start a new country as soon as possible.

Sorry for not adding you sooner, I was gone for a week.
Anyways if you need any help Im here, as is rutherford.

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| November 15, 2012, 8:17 pm
Quoting Nightmaresquid º
Sorry for not adding you sooner, I was gone for a week.
Anyways if you need any help Im here, as is rutherford.

OK thanks :P
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| November 15, 2012, 8:44 pm
Quoting Michael Rutherford

Yesss!

:P
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| November 15, 2012, 8:45 pm
 Group admin 
Matthew, I've sent you a few emails, one of which has a fairly important question that will decide when my Naval Superpack is released.
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| November 16, 2012, 12:47 am
What would a Tank Destroyer be considered on the statistics thread? An MBT or a Mobile Howitzer?
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| November 16, 2012, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Daniel Boone
What would a Tank Destroyer be considered on the statistics thread? An MBT or a Mobile Howitzer?

It's not a MBT any way you look at it, and certainly not a howitzer. I would classify them as: other similar AFV [80 per week]

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| November 16, 2012, 5:26 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
And on your tank hunter comment:Thanks. But I will have to disagree with you. It has the same sized turret as an M1 Abrahms. Yes, it has lighter armor, but that is countered by it's speed. So really, it's as effective as your standard MBT.

Nope, you put the barrel size down for 110mm, not 120mm like the Abrams, and the turret is nowhere near as big as a tank's. Also, armor are more inportant than speed in combat, because while a tanks armor will protect from this level of firepower from at least some angles, your pavalen is vulnerable to autocannon and RPG-7 level firepower, something modern tanks are almost immune to. A lighter vehicle's greater speed isn't good enough to make up their mugh greater vulnerability.

Considering that you have it down for 100 mph and 300hp, when we compare this to the Styker, it would seem it has more speed but less armor, the logical conclusion is that the pavalen is even less armored than the Styker, which only protects agianst 14.5mm. The Mobile Gun System, which has no passengers, has less than half the rounds of an Abrams, and by trying to fit in 6 troops even less space is avaible for the pavalen. It's a design better used to support infantry operations and be air-transportable, not fight tanks which perform a good deal better at armored warfare. Remember, BF3 isn't real life, and shouldn't be considered a reqalistic depiction of vehicle performance or warfare in general. The concept of using this type of platform to replace tanks has already been evaluated, and it was decided that Mobile Gun Systems are better off used in a different role than tanks.
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| November 16, 2012, 7:34 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
Ok, Ill tweak some factors. What would you recommend? Troop space, turret stats, engine? And you are wrong in 1 part. I comparded it to the M1, not M1A1, M1A2, etc. The M1 has a 105mm gun.

No, you said turret size, which isn't the same thing as barrel size. Also, I said the general term Abrams, not M1 abrams, so I was refering to the newer models. Finally, the M1 abrams uses a 105mm gun, not a 110mm gun.

Anyway, now that that's out of the way, I would remove all troop capacity, since including them detracts from the goal of a mobile gun system due to hogging all the space that should be used for ammo storage. Other improvements I would suggest is changing the role of the vehicle while retaining a limited amount of anti-armor ammunition just in case. If you want a tank destroyer, make a varient with anti-tank missiles, something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pzj_Tow_PIRANHA_-_Schweizer_Armee_-_Steel_Parade_2006.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stryker_vehicle.jpg
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| November 16, 2012, 8:02 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
It's not a MBT any way you look at it, and certainly not a howitzer. I would classify them as: other similar AFV [80 per week]

alright Thanks for the info.
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| November 16, 2012, 8:33 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
I mean improve it to fit the same role. The goal of it is to make it like the Tank Destroyer in BF3, however un-realistic it may be(in BF3). It would be possible, why not fit an LAV with a tank turret(hey, make it look more like a tank turret, maybe wider, longer?). I just couldnt have any hatches or advanced radar systems and whatnot. And I read the BF3 wiki, this is after I typed it. It looks like a tank turret, just w/ anti-tank missles. Here:http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Tank_Destroyer

I'm not sure you realise this, but the "Tank Destoyer" you are refering to IS the Mobile Gun System. http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/M1128_Mobile_Gun_System It's in-game depiction is neither accurate to it's real life role or specs. For example, in BF3, it somehow carries 5 soldiers even though the real version doesn't have the room for passengers. And no, you can't fit a tank turret of that size on such a small chasis, there's a reason that the M1128 uses the turret design that it does. It doesn't matter how it works in the game, the mobile gun system just doesn't work like that in real life, and we try to be realisitc in C&C. What you are proposing simply won't work, so I suggest you use the palaven as an infantry support vehicle and make a different varient for anti-tank firepower rather then shoehorning it into a role that it fails at. (If you ask me, when people build a creation, they should base it off of real life vehicles rather than distorted video game versions.)
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| November 16, 2012, 10:49 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I'm not sure you realise this, but the "Tank Destoyer" you are refering to IS the Mobile Gun System. http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/M1128_Mobile_Gun_System It's in-game depiction is neither accurate to it's real life role or specs. For example, in BF3, it somehow carries 5 soldiers even though the real version doesn't have the room for passengers. And no, you can't fit a tank turret of that size on such a small chasis, there's a reason that the M1128 uses the turret design that it does. It doesn't matter how it works in the game, the mobile gun system just doesn't work like that in real life, and we try to be realisitc in C&C. What you are proposing simply won't work, so I suggest you use the palaven as an infantry support vehicle and make a different varient for anti-tank firepower rather then shoehorning it into a role that it fails at. (If you ask me, when people build a creation, they should base it off of real life vehicles rather than distorted video game versions.)

In real life in an air battle you shoot missiles at an enemy aircraft, with your own aircraft.

In BF3 you fly your aircraft strait up, get out, take out your Rpg-7 and blow up the enemy fighter with it, then get back into your aircraft.

Or you could just shoot it down with a tank, its your choice.

In real life you destroy tanks with a javalin, in battlefeild 3 you fill your car with C4 and drive it into the tank.
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| November 17, 2012, 7:45 am
Quoting P4perweight .
Quoting Nightmaresquid º

All false. I don’t do those things(well, OK maybe the occasional C4 jeep) but it really depends how you play. I do understand how it's morphed to make it better for game play, but if you happen to be on the right server, none of the above will happen. I spent 3 HOURS using a Javelin, I took out more then a few tanks and helicopters. Not a single C4ed jeep. And the jet stunts almost never happen. I’ve played BF3 for 1 week of play time, until it broke. I’m pretty sure I know what goes on in multiplayer, and those aren’t all the game play like you describe. (may be edited)

I have it to. I love how nobody follows the rules on servers, and how unpleasant it is playing online. I think the whole concept is just a rip off of COD, and all it has going for it is better graphics, and vehicles.
I would rather play Halo, COD, or really anything else that’s offered. I think the only fun I had was keeping it on my shelf,


I’ve been playing halo 4 recently, now that’s a masterpiece.
But everyone has there own opinions, some people still only play tetris.
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| November 17, 2012, 10:39 am
Quoting P4perweight .
Well, I still find it a great game. I dont see many C4ed jeeps and stuff like that, and I play it for fun. And Halo 4 doesnt appear to absolutly amazing for me, forge was kinda ruined.

I agree, I knew they would have three forge maps, I didnt think that they would be so small. I meant the campain, that was epic.

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| November 17, 2012, 10:51 am
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Quoting Nightmaresquid º
In real life in an air battle you shoot missiles at an enemy aircraft, with your own aircraft.

In BF3 you fly your aircraft strait up, get out, take out your Rpg-7 and blow up the enemy fighter with it, then get back into your aircraft.

Or you could just shoot it down with a tank, its your choice.

In real life you destroy tanks with a javalin, in battlefeild 3 you fill your car with C4 and drive it into the tank.

Yeah, BF3 may look realistic, but it should be remembered that it's a game with game mechanics, not an accurate sim of realistic combat.
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| November 17, 2012, 3:35 pm
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Quoting Matthew McCall
Yeah, BF3 may look realistic, but it should be remembered that it's a game with game mechanics, not an accurate sim of realistic combat.

If you want realism, try ArmA II.
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| November 17, 2012, 4:18 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
I see what your saying. And I looked this up last night before I went to bed. So, I think we can agree:take out the passengers, and tweak the stats a bit. I DID realize that it is a mobile gun system, but Arkaden will still use it as planned. Sorry for arguing about the MGS part, too. I shouldve done my research... (may be edited)

No hard feelings. Anyway, it's fine to use it how you are using it now, just be aware that it won't perform as well as you would like.
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| November 17, 2012, 5:01 pm
Quoting Evan Constantine
I don't see the point to this game, which doesn't seem to be a game at all. The rules don't apply to everyone equally, and there is too much drama and too little gaming. The group did inspire me to build some vehicles I wouldn't have, so thanks for that. If you guys ever start a game with solid rules that doesn't move so slow, let me know.

Good luck!

Sorry about that, the group has solid rules, its the first time this has happened. The group does go slow, but its because not everyone is always active. Its more of a board game, in a month there will be more action.

We will stick to what we have now.
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| November 20, 2012, 1:20 pm
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Quoting P4perweight .
Oh my god.

Did we just lose Squid?

And Evan?

In a single day?

Yeah, Mr. Squid was getting a bit too emotional over all this, and Evan was less than impressed. Anyway, I don't want to give up on this group.
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| November 20, 2012, 2:28 pm
if anybody is reading this, why has the group suddenly gone dead? I apear to be the only active member left.
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| December 21, 2012, 12:37 pm
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I would assume people are burnt out after what happened in the previous group. Anyway, I'm still building new creations, but have little motivation to be particularly quick about it due to having by far the largest variety of designs as it is.
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| December 21, 2012, 2:06 pm
Quoting Matthew McCall
I would assume people are burnt out after what happened in the previous group.

Maybe, or everyone's taking a christmas break.
1 question, I don't likeworking on LDD but have limeted parts for aircraft/tanks. what do you advise?

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| December 22, 2012, 6:53 am
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Quoting jack kenyon
Maybe, or everyone's taking a christmas break.
1 question, I don't likeworking on LDD but have limeted parts for aircraft/tanks. what do you advise?

Well, if you can get the hang of it, LDD allows for the construction of projects that you most likely aren't capable of building with your plastic lego collection, and you never have to take apart LDD creations to free up pieces for other creations. Perhaps you should initially try modding other people's creations to get the hang of it.
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| December 22, 2012, 11:37 am
Quoting Matthew McCall
Well, if you can get the hang of it, LDD allows for the construction of projects that you most likely aren't capable of building with your plastic lego collection, and you never have to take apart LDD creations to free up pieces for other creations. Perhaps you should initially try modding other people's creations to get the hang of it.

Thanks, I will try, but not on other peoples. I just find it a little restricting on tecniques and it makes my pc lag. anyway, I will probably make my air force and navy ldd but ground will be real.

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| December 23, 2012, 5:55 am
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