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 Group admin 
Hey gang,

As the judging begins, there are bound to be some decisions on our parts that you don't agree with. Feel free to ask the judges why they chose their score here.

Be forewarned: We may just decide to answer with "that's the way it is" for some of your questions. Additional info on how we judge can be found here: http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=19864&topicid=78288#comment-933475

Please keep the comments respectful. Remember that we have a over 1200 potential entries to judge so we can't devote too much time to each one.
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| March 1, 2012, 3:31 pm
Mister bones why did you give my post apoc creation a ZERO, please give a good explanation.
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| March 1, 2012, 3:40 pm
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Quoting dan The man :)
Mister bones why did you give my post apoc creation a ZERO, please give a good explanation.

I did explain it when I posted the 0. In future, I may just give a score as we will have loads of entries to judge.
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| March 1, 2012, 3:48 pm
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Ok people - seriously - to prevent much 0's in the games:

PLEASE take your time for building the entries! And follow the rules - inclusive working links and the other important stuff (read the rules again if necessary)
You and your team won't profit from a quick and less quality build on the first days, facing the fact, that you have ONLY your 30 categories and no "2nd round" for earn more points!

I can only repeat it: Take your time and do it 'right' ;-)

- K.
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| March 1, 2012, 3:49 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
I did explain it when I posted the 0. In future, I may just give a score as we will have loads of entries to judge.

Sorry, I think we got off on the wrong foot, I'm sorry for being like this but I've never done a contest before, I'm taking your advice and am taking longer on my MOCS :)
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| March 2, 2012, 2:16 am
Just wandering, Chris, why did I get a two? I would think it would be a low three... Thanks!
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| March 2, 2012, 7:44 am
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Quoting Arnas Scheel
Just wandering, Chris, why did I get a two? I would think it would be a low three... Thanks!


Well, we can't give fractions or I would have given it a 2.5. The dragon was nice but the landscaping was a bit sparse.
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| March 2, 2012, 7:46 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Well, we can't give fractions or I would have given it a 2.5. The dragon was nice but the landscaping was a bit sparse.
Ok! I'm not a great landscaper so, I didn't know what else to do. Thanks though!

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| March 2, 2012, 7:50 am
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Quoting dan The man :)
I'm taking your advice and am taking longer on my MOCS :)

That's good bud.

The first couple entries are always tough for the judges as well. We have to smooth out the wrinkles, so some patience on your guys' parts really helps us out.

Thanks.
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| March 2, 2012, 8:01 am
Quoting dan The man :)
Sorry, I think we got off on the wrong foot, I'm sorry for being like this but I've never done a contest before, I'm taking your advice and am taking longer on my MOCS :)
That's the spirit! Now let's get our team a win!

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| March 2, 2012, 8:04 am
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Quoting dan The man :)
Sorry, I think we got off on the wrong foot, I'm sorry for being like this but I've never done a contest before, I'm taking your advice and am taking longer on my MOCS :)

Dan, no worries at all. It is VERY hard to not sound harsh, etc when you are using what is basically e-mail. Expression and tone do not come across. These contests are always confusing at first. Good luck!
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| March 2, 2012, 10:41 am
I've done working links at bottom of page now!
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| March 2, 2012, 11:30 am
Glad to see a bit of kindness from you judges, there's a lot of YFOL's in this... comes with the territory! (That's my teacher side talking!) :)
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| March 2, 2012, 12:12 pm
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CONTESTANTS:

If you feel that my judging is slightly lower than what is normal, its the same for ALL of you. I am being a bit strict this year to encourage some intentional thought and detail put into your creation to earn that perfect 5. So if your creation got a 4 when you thought it earned a 5, it is not through any fault on your part, your creation was just a tad shy of 5 in my opinion.

For the most part, I try to explain my reasoning why I didn't give you a 5. Please ask any questions you have regarding my (or others') judging standards.

Thanks.
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| March 3, 2012, 10:06 am
Mr Phipson, I'm not criticising your judging but could you please justify the score you gave my Vanising Eden MOC?
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/312461
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| March 4, 2012, 12:15 pm
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Quoting Space Gypsy .
Mr Phipson, I'm not criticising your judging but could you please justify the score you gave my Vanising Eden MOC?
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/312461


Justify? No. Explain, yes. The moc itself was a bit blocky (I know, Lego right) but at the size you chose, it really showed. Perhaps if you'd taken that concept larger it would have come across better. I'm not talking a 48x48 dio here, but just a bit larger woulda' made it pop more.
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| March 4, 2012, 1:19 pm
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Quoting Chris Phipson

Justify? No. Explain, yes. The moc itself was a bit blocky (I know, Lego right) but at the size you chose, it really showed. Perhaps if you'd taken that concept larger it would have come across better. I'm not talking a 48x48 dio here, but just a bit larger woulda' made it pop more.

Adding to what Chris said, microscale is really difficult when you try something like you did. Microscale works because of the tiny details that I thought your creation lacked.

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| March 4, 2012, 6:40 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Quoting Blake Baer

Thanks. Sorry if I sounded a little rude with the 'justify' thing. I meant nothing of it.
But I know what you mean. Thanks again.
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| March 5, 2012, 11:40 am
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Grace period is over.
To clarify a bit; we said an entry with no links would not be judged. Well, that means will not be judged for points and will receive a zero, it does not mean we will return when all of the links are fixed and judge it. 1. We do not have time to do that 2. It would not be fair to the others who have followed the rules and added the links. The grace period is over, no links = 0

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| March 5, 2012, 11:51 am
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Quoting Space Gypsy .
Quoting Blake Baer

Thanks. Sorry if I sounded a little rude with the 'justify' thing. I meant nothing of it.
But I know what you mean. Thanks again.

Not at all, thank you for asking.
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| March 5, 2012, 11:57 am
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Agreed.
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| March 5, 2012, 11:58 am
I have no problem with my score but I would like to know how I should improve to get to a score of 3.

Thanks.
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| March 5, 2012, 11:59 am
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Quoting Mister Bones
Grace period is over.

Yup. You guys have had enough time and enough reminders to know what to do by now.
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| March 5, 2012, 12:02 pm
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not usually a whiner, but I've got a question for Blake in regards to my scoring on this.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/312570

As a judge, it's your right to give any scoring you like, and since I'm just a lowly contestant, I have to abide by those rules.

But your comment has me very much confused as to why you gave me a four, to quote you.

"Now THAT, is landscape. The quality in the rocks is excellent as well. Not too certain it shows the category however."

Last time I checked, the definition of Apocalypse was any universal or widespread destruction or disaster, for instance: the apocalypse of nuclear war.
Now looking at your comment, it would appear that you're judging it by how true to the original "Rust'n'bley'n'spikes" the build is, which hardly seems fair in my mind seeing as the category states that "Definitions of the apocalypse can be anything from zombies, to aliens, to nuclear destruction"
So, my question for you (longwinded it may be) is this, what could I have done to achieve a higher score? And what were you basing your scoring of off?

Anyways, thanks!
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| March 5, 2012, 12:47 pm
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Quoting Lego Junkie


Firstly LEGO Junkie, thank you for asking!

I'll try to explain things as best as I can here. If you don't understand something or if something is too unclear, speak up and I'll try to explain.


Anyhow... You should know that I absolutely loved your creation! If I was going strictly on feelings, I would give your entry an EASY 5.

PROS: Number one on the list, is the rocks that form the Stonehenge. Fantastic incorporation of plates and slopes into the a multi-dimensional form. The foliage is my next favorite thing, with the grass and vines, I really feel the overgrown atmosphere. The helicopter is well built also. The creativity and detail in this creation astounds me.

CONS: My main nitpick with this (the one that I didn't voice in the comment), was the bare tan behind the stones. It looked poorly built, and very un-detailed/bare. If you had continued the landscape there, or perhaps added some more Apocalypse elements like an abandoned bunker or jeep or something, it might have earned a 5. Also, I didn't really get the feeling that this was during an apocalypse. For all I know, it could've just been Stonehenge in a couple years. Guys with flamethrowers and a helicopter doesn't make it an Apocalypse, no matter how good the back-story was. (It was excellent by the way, I really liked how your team collaborated with it!) I just felt that there was something missing from your creation, specifically in that area beneath the helicopter.

Still, a stunning build with a solid score, and one that you should be very proud of. Well done!

I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if I need to elaborate.
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| March 5, 2012, 1:18 pm
Nope, that clears things up!
Thanks Blake!
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| March 5, 2012, 1:32 pm
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Quoting Deff .
I have no problem with my score but I would like to know how I should improve to get to a score of 3.

I considered your creation to not be nearly as detailed as a quality vignette should be. This would be an example of a detailed vignette: http://www.flickr.com/photos/legocy/5469289865/in/set-72157625794129921

It was also a bit plain. Some more landscaping would've been called for. There are a whole host of reasons, but that would be enough to get you up to a solid 3, or even a 4 depending on how well you pull it off.
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| March 5, 2012, 2:36 pm
Hi Blake, while I believe in your judging could you point out some way I could have Improved my build?
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| March 5, 2012, 3:05 pm
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Quoting Hayden .
Hi Blake, while I believe in your judging could you point out some way I could have Improved my build?

Done Via NeatChat.
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| March 5, 2012, 3:45 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Done Via NeatChat.

Check
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| March 5, 2012, 3:50 pm
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Quoting August .
I deleted my one entry so I'm posting another. Is this alright. Sorry to sound pathetic, I had such a bad score.

NO, you can only post a creation for a category once. If you delete it, you can't build in that category again.
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| March 5, 2012, 3:50 pm
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Quoting August .
I deleted my one entry so I'm posting another. Is this alright. Sorry to sound pathetic, I had such a bad score.

If you deleted an entry that was already judged, that is grounds for a DQ. You people really need to read the rules.
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| March 5, 2012, 3:57 pm
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Quoting August .
I deleted my one entry so I'm posting another. Is this alright. Sorry to sound pathetic, I had such a bad score.


A bad score (in your opinion) is one thing but now that entry has a zero for the team. Remember everyone, once it's added to the group, it's OURS. Any attempt to up your scores in this manner is subject to a FULL DQ for you (your team will live on). This is the last warning on this kind of thing. August, your score for that category will be a zero but you as a player are NOT DQd.
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| March 5, 2012, 4:05 pm
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/312205

Why did I only get a one from some of the judges? I though i would get atleast a low 2 because of the story...
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| March 5, 2012, 5:47 pm
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Quoting Arnas Scheel
http://mocpages.com/moc.php/312205

Why did I only get a one from some of the judges? I though i would get atleast a low 2 because of the story...

I gave you a 1 because: Your story was full of symbols, which made reading it quite annoying; the story did not fit the category very well (You all might want to look up the ides of march and not just post a moc with an assassination), and the build was very simplistic.


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| March 5, 2012, 6:06 pm
Mister Bones, you said my entry for the category 'Adventure Time' didn't fit the category too well. I am just wondering, in what way?
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| March 5, 2012, 6:17 pm
Hey bones, I was wondering what you meant by this:
"Hmmm.....since the Americans landed on the moon in the late 60's, the flag should be the USSR, not the Russian Federation."
This moc is in the future, not the past. Also this is mars not the moon. So, therefore I think that since the USSR no longer exists It would be more accurate to have Russia's current flag than an outdated one that represents something that doesn't exist. I'm not complaining or questioning your judgement, I'm just curious.
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| March 5, 2012, 6:20 pm
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Quoting Ben King
Hey bones, I was wondering what you meant by this:
"Hmmm.....since the Americans landed on the moon in the late 60's, the flag should be the USSR, not the Russian Federation."
This moc is in the future, not the past. Also this is mars not the moon. So, therefore I think that since the USSR no longer exists It would be more accurate to have Russia's current flag than an outdated one that represents something that doesn't exist. I'm not complaining or questioning your judgement, I'm just curious.

HAHAHA, just ignore me, I am judging too many entries and I am barely reading the write ups. If it is mars, you are right, and I am mistaken! (That did not affect your score in any case)
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| March 5, 2012, 6:21 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
HAHAHA, just ignore me, I am judging too many entries and I am barely reading the write ups. If it is mars, you are right, and I am mistaken!

I understand. I thought that since mars is red and the moon is grey that you wouldn't be mistaken, but accidents happen.
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| March 5, 2012, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle
Mister Bones, you said my entry for the category 'Adventure Time' didn't fit the category too well. I am just wondering, in what way?

In the description, I state to build an adventure moc like Indiana Jones, The Mummy movies, Johnny Thunder, etc. I am looking for classic adventure, not war, not a truck driving through a wall, etc. I am not even sure why people think war and crashing your car is an adventure. The other judges may not see it in the same light that I do, but that is why there are 6 judges.
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| March 5, 2012, 6:25 pm
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Quoting Ben King
I understand. I thought that since mars is red and the moon is grey that you wouldn't be mistaken, but accidents happen.

You would think huh? Don't mind me, I am trying to judge these while also working. I went back and looked at it, it is red....I am a nutter.
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| March 5, 2012, 6:26 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
In the description, I state to build an adventure moc like Indiana Jones, The Mummy movies, Johnny Thunder, etc. I am looking for classic adventure, not war, not a truck driving through a wall, etc. I am not even sure why people think war and crashing your car is an adventure. The other judges may not see it in the same light that I do, but that is why there are 6 judges.

I understand your reasoning, but I have a few key points to put out there. First, they aren't involved in a war, just because there are guns it doesn't mean two countries are fighting. Heck, Indiana Jones carries a revolver, but he isn't leading six others out into combat. Second, Adventure is defined as "a hazardous undertaking", there is a lot of hazard involved in car-wall scenarios.

I accept the score, I just want to point that out. ;)
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| March 5, 2012, 6:39 pm
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Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle
I understand your reasoning, but I have a few key points to put out there. First, they aren't involved in a war, just because there are guns it doesn't mean two countries are fighting. Heck, Indiana Jones carries a revolver, but he isn't leading six others out into combat. Second, Adventure is defined as "a hazardous undertaking", there is a lot of hazard involved in car-wall scenarios.

I accept the score, I just want to point that out. ;)

Now, don't take this wrong, I am not trying to be harsh, but.. you are not fully reading what I am saying. Yours was not war, but others have done that, I was giving you an example. Also, we stated to carefully read the category descriptions, not just part of them, the whole thing. I quote: Build a MOC, any size; depicting an adventurous person in an exciting scene like is seen in Indiana Jones, The Mummy or other adventure films. IE: Indiana Jones, Pharaoh’s Quest, Adventures, The Mummy, etc.

I clearly state what kind of adventure theme we are looking for, if it was any old adventurous thing, you could build a moc of trying to cross a road in downtown Oakland, that is an adventure as well. I am looking for the type of adventure I listed in the description.

Also, for your knowledge, there are multiple definitions of words, like adventure:
1.
an exciting or very unusual experience.
2.
participation in exciting undertakings or enterprises: the spirit of adventure.
3.
a bold, usually risky undertaking; hazardous action of uncertain outcome.
4.
a commercial or financial speculation of any kind; venture.
5.
Obsolete .
a.
peril; danger; risk.
b.
chance; fortune; luck.
verb (used with object)
6.
to risk or hazard.
7.
to take the chance of; dare.
8.
to venture to say or utter: to adventure an opinion.


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| March 5, 2012, 6:46 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
-snip-

I guess I need to work on reading the full picture. I don't watch many old movies, perhaps I should.

Thanks for the clarification.
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| March 5, 2012, 6:59 pm
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Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem, I am sorry this category is so confusing; you are not the only one with questions.
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| March 5, 2012, 7:02 pm
Blake:
"I thought the FP was slightly underplayed. Excellent work with the rest of the model though. Score: 4"

Just bringing it to your attention that this entry was entered in the Fairy Tale category not the Forced Perspective category: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/312613
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| March 6, 2012, 2:44 am
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Quoting John 55555
Blake:
"I thought the FP was slightly underplayed. Excellent work with the rest of the model though. Score: 4"

Just bringing it to your attention that this entry was entered in the Fairy Tale category not the Forced Perspective category: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/312613

Ugh, thanks for the heads up John. My score still stands, I didn't feel that the build was quite up to 5 point quality.

Thanks again for the tip.
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| March 6, 2012, 8:16 am
Best judges, I think you are all doing a more than fabulous job. But as it comes to my entry I have some questions regarding the yet given scores. as the category states:
#3: Ghost Hunters
Build a MOC based on Ghost Hunting. This can be something like the Ghost Hunter’s show on SYFY, or Ghost Adventures on the Travel Channel. (Google them if you do not know what those are about). The focus must be on ghosts, no vampires, werewolves, etc.

-the entry must be about 'Ghost Hunters', yet 3 judges have already given me points based on the absence of a spooky feeling/spookiness.

-The clock is wicked....the spookiness, not so much.
-I agree with Bones though, the spookiness evades me.
-However, I do not see a lot of spooky here, (...)

As it is not stated in the category-discription that is must have a spooky feeling and was not the intention of the build (it was ment to be somewhat comic), it's feels unfair that the points yet given to my entry are based on this particular thing. Or am I getting this very wrong?

here is the entry I'm talking about: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/312855
thanks.
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| March 9, 2012, 5:04 am
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Quoting Rinse Jan

Mr. Jan,

In this instance, I think it may be fair to say that we had a clash of interpretations. In anticipation of this category, I watched a couple YouTube videos of the Ghost Hunters, and I pertained the atmosphere to be very dark and mysterious.

Regarding the creation itself: I absolutely loved it. Like Chris said, there were some great details in there. But I didn't get the idea of ghosts, (or hunting ghosts for that matter). The atmosphere was obviously not supposed to be 'spooky' because it used brighter elements and backdrops.

Hearing you explain your angle, I can begin to understand your apparent frustration with the scores.

It simply comes down to interpretation of the category. While you went for the more comical stance, the judges were expecting a more mystical and suspenseful atmosphere.

Scores still stand. I hope this answers your question though.
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| March 9, 2012, 8:41 am
Quoting Blake Baer

I see... I've accepted the scores as they are. I recon that it is not my building style. Thanks for taking the time for explaning the situation, it makes a lot of things clear for me. Good luck with the other judgings!

I will get my points on the next category, be aware!!
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| March 9, 2012, 8:49 am
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Quoting Rinse Jan
I see... I've accepted the scores as they are. I recon that it is not my building style. Thanks for taking the time for explaning the situation, it makes a lot of things clear for me. Good luck with the other judgings!

I will get my points on the next category, be aware!!

Rinse, as I may have stated, your entry was hard to judge as it was a great build. I did not think we had to state make it spooky when we were talking about ghosts, I figured that was self-explanatory. There were other elements of your build that evaded me as well, such as the picture on the wall, I really thought it was a window as it did not look like a picture to me. The ghost coming out of the wall I thought was simply decoration. My score was based on teh fact it not look very ghostly. Hope that helps a bit.
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| March 9, 2012, 11:11 am
This one's for Heath, and others.
You guys said you would have liked to have seen a single shot that had more emphasis on FP. Are you saying you would have liked to have seen one FP shots instead of three? Did you think there was not emphasis on the FP because there were too many FP shots, or too little?

Just wondering :)
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| March 9, 2012, 4:13 pm
One question what is the maximum score the judges can give on an entry.
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| March 9, 2012, 11:53 pm
Blake: Could you please explain why you gave Lego Junkie's Princess Bride entry a three?

Here's the MOC: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/313236

Thanks.
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| March 9, 2012, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Night Hawk _
One question what is the maximum score the judges can give on an entry.


Max of 5 points per judge.
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| March 10, 2012, 8:17 am
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Quoting John 55555
Blake: Could you please explain why you gave Lego Junkie's Princess Bride entry a three?

Here's the MOC: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/313236

Thanks.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Response pending.

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| March 10, 2012, 2:22 pm
I noticed that Naanan Z (who is one of my all-time favorite builders, I must add) added an incredible entry called Satellite Outpost in the ApocMOC category. It's a fabulous model, but I'm a little confused because he created a similar model several years ago. The two models bear an obvious similarity and Naanan even provided a link to it on his latest entry.

My question then is this: is this allowed under the MocAthalon rules? I know there is strong wording how all entries should be completely new builds, not be re-used, ect and I was curious to know if Naanan's entry was within the rules.

Please note that I am not "whining"; Naanan knows his stuff, and is most likely well aware of the rules, and for all I know, you guys may have already talked about his entry and said it is perfectly fine. I just thought I'd just try to bring this issue up for the community as politely as possible before someone else goes on a tirade against you guys :)
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| March 11, 2012, 10:33 pm
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Quoting Paul Romano

Thank you for the tip Paul!

I speak for myself here. Other judges will have to weigh in on their views.

I considered his entry to be unique and new enough to be considered a "new" entry. The main similarity (and unfortunately the most obvious) is the flowers. This hardly constitutes a "use of an older creation". The building and the rover were both new and unique enough designs that I whole-heartedly accepted them.

Thanks again.
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| March 11, 2012, 10:43 pm
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Quoting Cam M.
This one's for Heath, and others.
You guys said you would have liked to have seen a single shot that had more emphasis on FP. Are you saying you would have liked to have seen one FP shots instead of three? Did you think there was not emphasis on the FP because there were too many FP shots, or too little?

Just wondering :)


Check these out for some ideas:
http://www.brothers-brick.com/2010/05/30/enemy-in-sight/

http://www.brothers-brick.com/2010/08/28/what-happens-when-you-mess-with-the-physics-of-it-all/

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| March 12, 2012, 3:32 am
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Quoting Paul Romano
I noticed that Naanan Z (who is one of my all-time favorite builders, I must add) added an incredible entry called Satellite Outpost in the ApocMOC category. It's a fabulous model, but I'm a little confused because he created a similar model several years ago. The two models bear an obvious similarity and Naanan even provided a link to it on his latest entry.

My question then is this: is this allowed under the MocAthalon rules? I know there is strong wording how all entries should be completely new builds, not be re-used, ect and I was curious to know if Naanan's entry was within the rules.

Please note that I am not "whining"; Naanan knows his stuff, and is most likely well aware of the rules, and for all I know, you guys may have already talked about his entry and said it is perfectly fine. I just thought I'd just try to bring this issue up for the community as politely as possible before someone else goes on a tirade against you guys :)


I agree with Blake on this. The main thing we're talking about when we say "new and unique creation" is that we don't want people to use a moc that they've been working on for a while (a week... two years... whatever) for the games. That would defeat the purpose of the whole "30 mocs 30 days" time crunch.

It's very clear that Nannan built this moc specifically for the games. Yes, it resembles a previous post but that's why, I think, he linked it to the past one, to show that it IS in fact a completely new build and not simply the one that he built (2?) years ago and has been sitting on the shelf for all that time.

Long story short, he's good.
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| March 12, 2012, 6:53 am


Yes, I have certainly seen those. I was just wondering, would I have received a higher score for just one scene?
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| March 12, 2012, 8:49 am
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Quoting Cam M.

Yes, I have certainly seen those. I was just wondering, would I have received a higher score for just one scene?

I don't think it was the number of scenes, I think it was more the insignificance of the scenes that you had.

For me, I thought the FP took a backseat to your great story. Like I said in the comment above, FP categories aren't meant to merely be "microscale cities in the background", but should be a major and significant part of the scene.

Again, just my thoughts.
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| March 12, 2012, 9:17 am
Quoting Chris Phipson


This is why I've been enjoying the MocAthalon so much: the judges are always ready to explain things for the average joe, even when they don't have to. I fully understand your reasoning and accept your explanation. Looking back, I feel a bit foolish bringing the issue up in the first place, especially against someone who is as universally-acclaimed as Naanan is.

I apologize to Naanan (I read TBB every day, BTW:) and his team, and wish them the best of luck. Case closed...
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| March 12, 2012, 9:46 am
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Quoting Paul Romano
This is why I've been enjoying the MocAthalon so much: the judges are always ready to explain things for the average joe, even when they don't have to. I fully understand your reasoning and accept your explanation. Looking back, I feel a bit foolish bringing the issue up in the first place, especially against someone who is as universally-acclaimed as Naanan is.

I apologize to Naanan (I read TBB every day, BTW:) and his team, and wish them the best of luck. Case closed...
Not a problem. We appreciate your letting us know. (Also, its 'Nannan' not 'Naanan')
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| March 12, 2012, 10:17 am
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Quoting Cam M.

Yes, I have certainly seen those. I was just wondering, would I have received a higher score for just one scene?


Depends on if the single shot focused on the FP. Everyone loves a great story, but we're focusing on builds, and not stories to do the dirty work. Your entry focused heavily on the story, and not enough FP.

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| March 12, 2012, 10:38 am
Just so I can improve upon myself,

Why was I graded a 3 by some judges on my Cinderella: the glass Slipper MOC?
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| March 12, 2012, 6:56 pm
Oops! So sorry! I was in a rush to post cause I had to pack up for my vacation! I'm sorry! Could I please edit it next week when I get home?
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| March 18, 2012, 9:02 pm
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Quoting Arnas Scheel
Oops! So sorry! I was in a rush to post cause I had to pack up for my vacation! I'm sorry! Could I please edit it next week when I get home?

Certainly! Meanwhile, the judges will be giving you 0's...

Honestly, you posted a WIP in the main group. You should be expecting some 0's.
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| March 18, 2012, 10:31 pm
Hey guys, just a question in regard to a certain entry and how it relates to the rules set at the beginning of the month.

There's an obvious violation of the rules, and while we don't have anything against the build or the builder, we'd simply like to see some consistency from the judges in regard to their own rules and how they enforce them.

From the rules:
"Teams may not start building until March 1st. Any posts made after 11:59pm March 30th will not be judged."

"Every creation must be a new and unique build. No recycling of older creations to make a new MOC look better."

The builder and entry in question is Carson Heart's Devil's Snare. ( http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314599 ) It's clear he had this creation built before the contest started, as indicated by a picture posted on Jan. 27th, albeit a teaser. Again, the "new and unique build," followed by "may not start building until March 1st." While he didn't post pictures of the full vignette, he obviously wasn't planning on entering it in this contest or any liekwise.

Original teaser: (January 27th)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58252782@N06/6774645629/in/photostream

He followed this by posting full pictures on his Flickr photostream on the 10th and 11th of March, which were not indicated in any way to be an entry in the competition.
Creation: (March 10th-11th)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58252782@N06/6825590818/in/photostream


A full week later he posted the creation as an entry. Keep in mind that, while I'm not accusing the builder of anything but unintentional disregard of the rules and I have naught but the utmost respect for him and his work, this week could have given him plenty of time for people to leave feedback and for him to consider changing his tune and entering it in Vignetted.
Entry: (March 18th)
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314599


The point is not that he broke the rules (intentional or not) but that, in any other case, this would be a clear case for a disqualification. Are we just not seeing something here? Or are we not party to certain key information?

Thanks for your time!

(DISCLAIMER FROM MY TEAM: Let him stay, but don't do this in the future please. It makes it hard for us to decide what we can and cannot do if the rules are altered so frivolously.)

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| March 18, 2012, 11:24 pm
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Quoting - Arkov -
Hey guys, just a question in regard to a certain entry and how it relates to the rules set at the beginning of the month.



Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I personally can't see Flickr pics from my work computer so I'll have to dig later to find out what's going on. I saw that Blake looked at it and OK'd it but I'll still dig around a bit just to make sure. If it's an earlier build, then it'll get DQ'd, if not, then it'll be judged as normal.

Again, I can't make that call right now but as soon as we can (as a judges group) then you'll know.

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| March 19, 2012, 6:44 am
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Quoting Chris Phipson

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I personally can't see Flickr pics from my work computer so I'll have to dig later to find out what's going on. I saw that Blake looked at it and OK'd it but I'll still dig around a bit just to make sure. If it's an earlier build, then it'll get DQ'd, if not, then it'll be judged as normal.

Again, I can't make that call right now but as soon as we can (as a judges group) then you'll know.


After further detailed review I have DQ'd the entry. It was clearly started months before the MOCathalon, and should have never been cleared or scored.

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| March 19, 2012, 6:49 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

After further detailed review I have DQ'd the entry. It was clearly started months before the MOCathalon, and should have never been cleared or scored.

In Blake's defence I believe he only saw the picture that was posted on the 8th on flickr, and didn't see the teaser picture posted on the 27th.
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| March 19, 2012, 7:42 pm
just a quick question regarding scores. all 4 of my entrys so far have received 3s. I notice most entrys get 3s. I don't think creations are judged correctly sometimes. for example,this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314007 received the same judging as this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314734 . yet they are so different, and one a lot better than the other...

would it not be more useful to judge out of 10, and get a more correct score?

this is just my opinion.
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| March 20, 2012, 2:34 am
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Quoting The Timinater !
...would it not be more useful to judge out of 10, and get a more correct score?

this is just my opinion.


This goes back to the same basic question that was asked a few days ago about why we don't use "point 5" scores (ie: 3.5).

We chose the 5 point scale because it's the easiest and most straightforward to deal with and apply. In reality, no matter what system we used to judge there would always be someone who thinks they needed a different (if not better) score.

If we did it out of a 100 point scale even, and someone got a 52 and someone else got a 58 (a bit higher) they would still come to this thread and ask "Why did "so-and-so" get x while I got y?"

So while we understand that you would like to see some variation in the scoring, it just wouldn't be logistically feesible nor would it really solve any problems.
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| March 20, 2012, 6:47 am
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Quoting The Timinater !

The judges have repeatedly said going into the games that the 3's would be a consistent number for an "average".

For myself, my judging method looks like a bowl, with 3's in the middle with 1's and 2' on one side and 4's and 5's on the other. I am generous on the 1's and 2's side so they kinda 'fall' into the center of the bowl (3's) while I am more strict on the other side where 4's and 5's are so you have an 'uphill climb' to reach the 5. I make the rare 5 almost impossible, so that you HAVE to work for it.

As a general rule, I am more lenient on the bottom of the chart and I am more strict at the top. I try to use sayings like "scraping up a X" and "a very solid X" to show a more accurate number notation, but ultimately, it is just the number that counts.

Hope that helps.
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| March 20, 2012, 8:09 am
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Quoting Quad ?????
In Blake's defence I believe he only saw the picture that was posted on the 8th on flickr, and didn't see the teaser picture posted on the 27th.


Blake isn't in "trouble" dude. It's no big deal.

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| March 20, 2012, 11:20 am
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Quoting Quad ?????
In Blake's defence I believe he only saw the picture that was posted on the 8th on flickr, and didn't see the teaser picture posted on the 27th.

Indeed. I okayed it but realized later about the earlier pictures. The judges (Heath) then made the decision to DQ the creation. Not a big deal.

Thanks though, Quad.
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| March 20, 2012, 11:53 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

yeah, ok... thanks for your time!
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| March 20, 2012, 2:36 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Hope that helps.

yeah, it sort of helps... thanks for your time!
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| March 20, 2012, 2:38 pm
Hey guys! Kevin gave me a zero on my entry because he said it had no link, while it clearly did. I'm sure it was just a mistake (Maybe one too many Jameson :P)

Here is the entry.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314764#reviews
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| March 22, 2012, 6:34 pm
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Quoting Ru Corder
Hey guys! Kevin gave me a zero on my entry because he said it had no link, while it clearly did. I'm sure it was just a mistake (Maybe one too many Jameson :P)

Here is the entry.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314764#reviews


Unfortunately your entry didn't include the proof as outlined in the Category:

Ars Historica: Build a iconic scene of human history - once you chosen one, give us an article/proof/evidence for it (wiki/etc.) - in example: the murder of Caesar in 44 BC - please try to avoid WW I and WW II, it's getting boring ;-)

He caught it, the other judges didn't. I don't think anyone else will be amending their scores though.

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| March 22, 2012, 6:47 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

Unfortunately your entry didn't include the proof as outlined in the Category:

Ars Historica: Build a iconic scene of human history - once you chosen one, give us an article/proof/evidence for it (wiki/etc.) - in example: the murder of Caesar in 44 BC - please try to avoid WW I and WW II, it's getting boring ;-)

He caught it, the other judges didn't. I don't think anyone else will be amending their scores though.

Awwww... I missed that.
Well, thanks for getting back to me!
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| March 23, 2012, 3:56 am
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Quoting Ru Corder
(Maybe one too many Jameson :P)

:LOL:
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| March 23, 2012, 9:26 am
There seems to be a significant disconnect between the scoring of this entry:http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/315154

And the standard set here: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/312855

Just bringing it to your attention.
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| March 23, 2012, 12:20 pm
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Quoting John 55555

Is there?
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| March 23, 2012, 1:47 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Quoting John 55555

Is there?

Actually, so it seems. Rinse lost points since it wasn't spooky, yet Legohaulic's isn't spooky either. But hey, you judges are busy and probably can't remember some of what you've said before, I know I can't!
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| March 23, 2012, 2:48 pm
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I think you all missed the point on why we said it was not spooky, but I am not going to try and explain it again.
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| March 23, 2012, 3:33 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Rinse lost points since it wasn't spooky, yet Legohaulic's isn't spooky either.

Ah, I see what you mean. At face value, Tyler's was an easy 5 point creation, while Rinse's was scraping up a 4.

Rinse went for the "spooky" effect and failed to achieve that, so the viewer is left feeling slightly confused. Tyler, on the other hand, forwent the "spooky" feel altogether, and the viewer is left laughing hysterically. Hence, I brought Tyler's back up to the "easy 5".

Look at it from this angle; Rinse went for what the judges wanted, but didn't get the real concept of it through his build. Tyler went in the opposite direction (which sometimes works children), but managed to nail his concept perfectly.


I HOPE this is explained well enough. Let me know if you have any more questions though, I am happy to answer.
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| March 23, 2012, 5:06 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Ah, I see what you mean. At face value, Tyler's was an easy 5 point creation, while Rinse's was scraping up a 4.

Rinse went for the "spooky" effect and failed to achieve that, so the viewer is left feeling slightly confused. Tyler, on the other hand, forwent the "spooky" feel altogether, and the viewer is left laughing hysterically. Hence, I brought Tyler's back up to the "easy 5".

Look at it from this angle; Rinse went for what the judges wanted, but didn't get the real concept of it through his build. Tyler went in the opposite direction (which sometimes works children), but managed to nail his concept perfectly.


I HOPE this is explained well enough. Let me know if you have any more questions though, I am happy to answer.

I can certainly understand and respect that reasoning, thanks for the clarification.
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| March 23, 2012, 6:09 pm
Thanks guys! I feel somehow supported, but I also think the judges are right on this one. We do have got some clever judging over here (although we might not like it).

~Rinse
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| March 23, 2012, 7:58 pm
Hey judges, I would like to know what Mr. Kelso thoughts are giving me a four, after all the other judges gave me a five :/ Is it personal preference or... Thanks :)
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| March 24, 2012, 11:24 am
Quoting Glory Forever
Hey judges, I would like to know what Mr. Kelso thoughts are giving me a four, after all the other judges gave me a five :/ Is it personal preference or... Thanks :)


I'm in the same boat, and I'd love to hear an answer to that one as well!

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| March 24, 2012, 10:35 pm
Sorry to bother you Blake, but I think you confused my Tropical Paradise entry with the ApocaLego category.
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| March 25, 2012, 4:10 pm
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Quoting Eric 'Hawk' Mickle
Sorry to bother you Blake, but I think you confused my Tropical Paradise entry with the ApocaLego category.

Oop sorry mate! I don't think it was very clearly marked, but that is my mistake.

My score still stands though.
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| March 25, 2012, 6:42 pm
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Quoting Glory Forever
Hey judges, I would like to know what Mr. Kelso thoughts are giving me a four, after all the other judges gave me a five :/ Is it personal preference or... Thanks :)


Yeah, just a personal interpretation, that's all. While I thought the composition was really nice, I felt like the rock work was a little visually busy with slopes. Sometimes when we're judging, a MOC will fall real close to a particular cut-off point. This one, I felt, was about as close to a 5 as you could get. But, my take on the rock work caused me choose to go with a 4.

Please don't read too much into it, as it was still a very nice creation! (as has been the case with all of your pieces!) ;)


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| March 26, 2012, 5:42 am
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Quoting Glory Forever
Hey judges, I would like to know what Mr. Kelso thoughts are giving me a four, after all the other judges gave me a five :/ Is it personal preference or... Thanks :)

Glory, I totally agree with Mark here, I was giving your entry a four as well, but the sheer amount of effort you put into the entry made me push it up to a 5, it is just how different judges look at different entries, that is why we have 6 judges. There have been a few entries where one judge gave a 5, two gave 4's and the rest gave 3's. We all see something a little different.
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| March 26, 2012, 11:40 am

I was wondering if I could know what parts of this MOC:
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/315261 was considered simple and underplayed in Blake's opinion.

Thanks.
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| March 26, 2012, 2:52 pm
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Quoting [Dusty Bricks]

I was wondering if I could know what parts of this MOC:
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/315261 was considered simple and underplayed in Blake's opinion.


Good question.

First of all, I really enjoyed the creation. I thought you did an excellent job with the atmosphere of it. There are some very good details in there also, like the brick-work, the piano, and the boards on the floor. The furniture designs are well thought out also.

To get a perfect score on the vignette category from me, you HAVE to blow my socks off with the level of detail and connections used in the creation. Yours simply doesn't. Here's why:
For starters (this may sound completely insignificant, but it makes a difference) your creation is lopsided. Looking at it, there is a definite amount of detail off-centered on the right side, with very little on the left side. the bare floor and absence of any real substance there is what really lowered the score in my opinion. The right side of the scene is terrific otherwise though. I wasn't a huge fan of the designs on the wall. It was too insignificant to add any level of detail, so I found it rather distracting. And finally, your window design was a major let-down considering the quality on the right side of the scene.

Those are my main nit-picks. It wasn't a bad creation in any regard (actually, it was really good!) but it just didn't make the cut on the 5.

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| March 26, 2012, 3:56 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Oop sorry mate! I don't think it was very clearly marked, but that is my mistake.

My score still stands though.

I put up a notice at the end now, for anyone who may have missed the indicator at the top.
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| March 26, 2012, 5:11 pm
I was just wondering if Mr. Phipson could bestow upon this humble creation:http://mocpages.com/moc.php/312056 a score.

This was my first entry, which I posted about 3.5 weeks ago and it has been judged by everyone except him.
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| March 26, 2012, 7:29 pm
Quoting Mark Kelso and Mister Bone
I really appreciated you guys taking the time to help me understand your scores. I wholeheartedly agree about the rock work. :)
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| March 27, 2012, 12:20 am
Hi -

I'd just to like to say that Heath must've missed judging my entry, because he didn't give me a score.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314389

Thanks Heath! :)
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| March 27, 2012, 1:31 pm
While we're asking for judges to score, Heath missed my Darwin Awards build.
See Here.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314591

Thanks!
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| March 27, 2012, 3:14 pm
Quoting Lego Junkie
While we're asking for judges to score,


I think they'll have something like that after the contest closes.
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| March 27, 2012, 4:53 pm
Can I add additional photos to a creation after the deadline? Just realized the deadline is Friday instead of Saturday.
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| March 27, 2012, 5:15 pm
Quoting Nannan Z.
Can I add additional photos to a creation after the deadline? Just realized the deadline is Friday instead of Saturday.

I dint think it would be "bad" if all the judges judged it :P
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| March 27, 2012, 5:44 pm
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Quoting Nannan Z.
Can I add additional photos to a creation after the deadline? Just realized the deadline is Friday instead of Saturday.


Not unless asked to by the judges.

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| March 27, 2012, 6:13 pm
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Quoting Lego Junkie
While we're asking for judges to score, Heath missed my Darwin Awards build.
See Here.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/314591

Thanks!


Not sure how I missed these. I will circle back in a day or so, and we will open up a "missed judging" thread on Friday or Saturday.

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| March 27, 2012, 6:33 pm
Quoting Nannan Z.
Can I add additional photos to a creation after the deadline? Just realized the deadline is Friday instead of Saturday.

After the deadline the creation is all yours to do with it as you please.
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| March 27, 2012, 7:52 pm
I replied to a comment in the Convers. 2 about the words "scraping up' being much used in this contest. Here was my reply... I think it needs to be placed here too. It's just my thoughts for what they are worth.....

I'm the type of person that looks for/keys into/observes patterns... and yup, I've noted the same thing. I've been thinking about all of this... I think I understand the reasons/ideas behind only having a 5 point scoring spread as opposed to a 10 point one. But perhaps... scoring should extend into the 1st place past the decimal point? There might not be the need for so much scraping! Just a thought to think about for next year's contest? :)
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| March 28, 2012, 10:36 am
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Quoting StoveTop Creator
I replied to a comment in the Convers. 2 about the words "scraping up' being much used in this contest. Here was my reply... I think it needs to be placed here too. It's just my thoughts for what they are worth.....

I'm the type of person that looks for/keys into/observes patterns... and yup, I've noted the same thing. I've been thinking about all of this... I think I understand the reasons/ideas behind only having a 5 point scoring spread as opposed to a 10 point one. But perhaps... scoring should extend into the 1st place past the decimal point? There might not be the need for so much scraping! Just a thought to think about for next year's contest? :)

If we were to do that, it would be much easier to simply to do a ten point scale.

There will be a lot of changes done between this year and next year, so some of these problems may be remedied.
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| March 28, 2012, 10:40 am
Quoting Leda Kat =^..^=
After the deadline the creation is all yours to do with it as you please.


Even before the creation is judged?

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| March 28, 2012, 11:18 am
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Quoting Nannan Z.
Quoting Leda Kat =^..^=
After the deadline the creation is all yours to do with it as you please.


Even before the creation is judged?

Nannan, AFTER all of the judges have wandered by and placed a score on your entry and AFTER the deadline of 3/30/12 11.59pm EST, then by all means, do whatever you want with the post. I deleted a few of mine from a few years ago after the contest because, well.....they were really bad.
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| March 28, 2012, 11:24 am
Could I be a judge next year?
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| March 28, 2012, 1:17 pm
For the LEGOLAND category, do you NEED to have food stands and a rollercoaster?
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| March 28, 2012, 7:38 pm
For the LEGOLAND category, do you NEED to have food stands and a rollercoaster?
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| March 28, 2012, 7:39 pm
For the LEGOLAND category, do you NEED to have food stands and a rollercoaster?
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| March 28, 2012, 7:39 pm
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Quoting EJ Stan
For the LEGOLAND category, do you NEED to have food stands and a rollercoaster?

While I don't think it is a "NEED", it would be highly relevant and add a lot to the creation.

It isn't necessary though.
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| March 28, 2012, 8:52 pm
Quoting Nannan Z.
Quoting Leda Kat =^..^=
After the deadline the creation is all yours to do with it as you please.


Even before the creation is judged?

Sorry, I thought you meant after everything was done and dusted.

Yeah, what Bones said.
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| March 29, 2012, 1:19 am
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

Not sure how I missed these. I will circle back in a day or so, and we will open up a "missed judging" thread on Friday or Saturday.


You can't just give me a score now? ;)
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| March 29, 2012, 4:13 am
I need to repeat myself apparently: COULD I BE A JUDGE NEXT YEAR?
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| March 29, 2012, 7:50 am
Quoting J Cooper
I need to repeat myself apparently: COULD I BE A JUDGE NEXT YEAR?
Calm down a bit, bro. The MocAthalon is one of the biggest online building competitions (if not the biggest) on the Internet; every judge has proven themselves worthy of the title through their widely-acclaimed creations, outstanding community service, and keen eye for critiquing Mocs. The title of "MocAthalon Judge" is not something you ask for: it is something you earn. There's no amount of pleading that will improve your chances; you've got to let your work speak for itself :) Hope that helps!

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| March 29, 2012, 8:11 am
Quoting Paul Romano
Quoting J Cooper
I need to repeat myself apparently: COULD I BE A JUDGE NEXT YEAR?
Calm down a bit, bro. The MocAthalon is one of the biggest online building competitions (if not the biggest) on the Internet; every judge has proven themselves worthy of the title through their widely-acclaimed creations, outstanding community service, and keen eye for critiquing Mocs. The title of "MocAthalon Judge" is not something you ask for: it is something you earn. There's no amount of pleading that will improve your chances; you've got to let your work speak for itself :) Hope that helps!

Rats.
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| March 29, 2012, 9:13 am
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Quoting Paul Romano

Well answered.
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| March 29, 2012, 9:15 am
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Quoting Paul Romano

You heap high and undeserving praise upon my person. I thank you Sir.
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| March 29, 2012, 10:18 am
I've noticed that several of my team's creations have not recieved all six scores yet. Will the judges go through all the pictures on the 31st, or are we required to sy which ones still require judging. I understand that you guys probably have lives outside of judging, of course. Thanks!
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| March 29, 2012, 11:48 am
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Quoting / TheBricks
I've noticed that several of my team's creations have not recieved all six scores yet. Will the judges go through all the pictures on the 31st, or are we required to sy which ones still require judging. I understand that you guys probably have lives outside of judging, of course. Thanks!

After the deadline passes, the judges will make a thread that you can post your entries that haven't been completely judged yet. You can notify us of the missed entries there.
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| March 29, 2012, 12:32 pm
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On the note of missed entries, please keep in mind Kevin W is away until next week, Mister Kelso is also very busy at the moment, and Mister Bones (Love talking about myself in the third person) is in a very busy time at work, so Bones will probably not judge anything until next week, late next week. He is only poping in here and there to see if there are burning questions.
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| March 29, 2012, 1:14 pm
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Quoting J Cooper
I need to repeat myself apparently: COULD I BE A JUDGE NEXT YEAR?


No.

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| March 29, 2012, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Flare .

You can't just give me a score now? ;)


No. In fact that particular entry will be my absolute final entry I judge.
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| March 29, 2012, 11:40 pm
Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

No. In fact that particular entry will be my absolute final entry I judge.


I love you too, Heath
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| March 30, 2012, 4:21 am
This is a question I have for Chris regarding this entry http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/315091 I noticed before I had posted this you had given a 5 to Annie Corder for her Polar Bear entry and said this is exactly what you guys were looking for. I am just wondering how my entry differs from hers apart form mine being a Panda and in a green scene? I think the quality of the build is jhust as good and it has a very similar message. You gave me a "high" four and I was wondering where mine fell down compared to Annies?

Many thanks

Tom
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| March 30, 2012, 9:59 am
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Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
This is a question I have for Chris regarding this entry http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/315091 I noticed before I had posted this you had given a 5 to Annie Corder for her Polar Bear entry and said this is exactly what you guys were looking for. I am just wondering how my entry differs from hers apart form mine being a Panda and in a green scene? I think the quality of the build is jhust as good and it has a very similar message. You gave me a "high" four and I was wondering where mine fell down compared to Annies?

Many thanks

Tom


I wouldn't say it "fell down" by any stretch, when I said "high four" I meant REALLY high four. This is one of those if we were giving point 0 whatever scores, (which no to everyone else... we won't) it would have probably been a 4.8. As we've stated many times before, each judge sees things just a tad differently (which you already knew) but... and I hate to say this but it's true, it also depends on the day we're judging. Also, you have to remember, I've judged over 400 mocs already (and a lot more to go over the next couple of days) and as much as we'd like to be able to compare our scores from previous mocs, it's just not feesible to either compare, let alone remember every single score we gave to another moc.

Looking back on those two entries, I think what pushed it over the top for me on Annie's was the somber look of the bear where as yours was more jovial (sp?). Again, not really "better" in any sense, just a different feeling which at the time, spoke to me about a .02 of a point more than yours did.

I hope you understand and see where I was coming from on that and that my explaination helped.

Now then... time to go judge another 50someodd mocs...

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| March 30, 2012, 10:30 am
Quoting Chris Phipson

Thanks for your swift response Chris! I completely understand where you are coming from and thank you for taking the time with your comprehensive reply. I originally built the Panda to imitate the last graffiti picture, and then build the scene as I thought that alone wouldn't be enough for a high score. I'm happy with a 4.8, it's just a shame it can't be rounded up to a 5.0 ;-)

Best of luck with the rest of the judging (I feel for you lol).
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| March 30, 2012, 10:39 am
Chris Why did you give me a zero? could you of just removed a point? i am soo stupid i let my whole team down :'(
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| March 30, 2012, 12:02 pm
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Quoting Nate B.
Chris Why did you give me a zero? could you of just removed a point? i am soo stupid i let my whole team down :'(

I believe it to be quite self-evident as to why Chris did this.
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| March 30, 2012, 1:56 pm
Best judges, I have a very simple question. Why do some judges don't use the : 'I like button'? I think every build deserves to get those from every judge no matter who or what the build is about. Rather then a personal reference, I think its fair against every contestant.
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| March 30, 2012, 3:29 pm
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Quoting Rinse Jan
Best judges, I have a very simple question. Why do some judges don't use the : 'I like button'? I think every build deserves to get those from every judge no matter who or what the build is about. Rather then a personal reference, I think its fair against every contestant.


I do so for 4's and 5's only.
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| March 30, 2012, 4:44 pm
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Quoting Rinse Jan
Best judges, I have a very simple question. Why do some judges don't use the : 'I like button'? I think every build deserves to get those from every judge no matter who or what the build is about. Rather then a personal reference, I think its fair against every contestant.

Really? Wow, interesting question. I use them for EVERY SINGLE creation, unless I plan to DQ you, so be grateful if I don't.

Most other judges use them as they see fit. My question is, does it really matter?
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| March 30, 2012, 4:59 pm
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Quoting Rinse Jan
Best judges, I have a very simple question. Why do some judges don't use the : 'I like button'? I think every build deserves to get those from every judge no matter who or what the build is about. Rather then a personal reference, I think its fair against every contestant.



I use it on every creation (with only a few DQ's or "talkings to" not getting them). I have noticed a glitch in the system though. If I go back and edit a comment, sometimes (if not all the time) it'll remove the smiley. I caught it once and left a comment stating that that's what happened but am not going to go back through the near 500 entries to find where else it happened.

As for the other judges... meh, personal preference. I usually give the smilies whether it's in the contest or not. If I take the time to comment, I may as well.
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| March 30, 2012, 5:07 pm
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Quoting Nate B.
Chris Why did you give me a zero? could you of just removed a point? i am soo stupid i let my whole team down :'(


Nate... buddy... you know I like ya so it KILLED me to do that BUT... (yes, it's a big but like my aunt's)

There's only really TWO things that HAVE to be on each entry. The links and what category you're entering. We were very forgiving at the start of the contest but at this point of the games, you guys should know what's expected of you.

There's another player who's received about 5 zeros in the past two days from me as well. I don't LIKE doing it at all but... well...

This is why we kept harping on everyone to MAKE SURE that your team mates "sign off" on your mocs before you add them to the main group. If they did, then you didn't let anyone down on your team because your team mates also missed the mistake.

Hope this helps clear it up a bit for ya.
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| March 30, 2012, 5:13 pm
Best judges, thank you for your answers. I was just wondering. Does it really matters? I don't think so, but I am glad I know this now. I think it gives me a better understanding in your judgings. And it is just very interesting to know.
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| March 30, 2012, 5:15 pm
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Quoting Rinse Jan
Best judges, thank you for your answers. I was just wondering. Does it really matters? I don't think so, but I am glad I know this now. I think it gives me a better understanding in your judgings. And it is just very interesting to know.

Honestly.....I usually forget because I am trying to judge so many entries in very little time. I will continue to forget i the near future.....what was the question again?
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| March 30, 2012, 5:57 pm
Hey Mr. Phipson, I know your busy with judging and moderating the 'pages, but when you have a moment could you answer a question regarding a score you gave me? On my Myths and Legends entry (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316230) you gave me a three, and I'd like to know what knocked down the points. I don't mean to complain, I just want to know how I can improve for the future. Thanks!
EDIT: I also notice that this too got a three. (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316572) (Sorry Ru, you know I have the greatest respect for you, I just happened to notice this score.) And while it's barely a three, I'd still like to know what kind of crime I committed for Orcus to be lumped in the same scoring group as Ru's MOC. And while this probably sounds like immature whining, I assure you it's just curiosity.
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| April 1, 2012, 11:31 am
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
Hey Mr. Phipson, I know your busy with judging and moderating the 'pages, but when you have a moment could you answer a question regarding a score you gave me? On my Myths and Legends entry (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316230) you gave me a three, and I'd like to know what knocked down the points. I don't mean to complain, I just want to know how I can improve for the future. Thanks!
EDIT: I also notice that this too got a three. (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316572) (Sorry Ru, you know I have the greatest respect for you, I just happened to notice this score.) And while it's barely a three, I'd still like to know what kind of crime I committed for Orcus to be lumped in the same scoring group as Ru's MOC. And while this probably sounds like immature whining, I assure you it's just curiosity.


Short, short version 'cause I'm trying to judge as many as I can today...

For me, it was the lower section of the body. The proportions just seemed a bit off to me. His hip/groin area was a little too long and didn't really flow for my eyes. Still you gotta remember, a 3 is a GOOD score (people keep forgetting that). When you get a 4, it's a WOW and a 5 is a "Holy Mary mother of..." so a score of 3 is good. If I didn't like it, it would have been a 2.

As for the LOTR thing, his build was a two but the falling skull thing made me giggle which brought him up a bit.

Hope that helps clear things up a bit. Now... back to judging!
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| April 1, 2012, 12:06 pm
Just a quick surgestion to make it easier for the judges to find entries they haven't judged. You could open a new thread and ask for link to an entry that hasn't been judged by on of the judges.

Does this help?
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| April 1, 2012, 4:41 pm
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Quoting E. B.
Just a quick surgestion to make it easier for the judges to find entries they haven't judged. You could open a new thread and ask for link to an entry that hasn't been judged by on of the judges.

Does this help?
Hahaha, indeed it would be a good idea (and a very unoriginal one). The judges will probably make this said thread later on, once we know for sure that most of the entries have been judged, and there are just some stragglers.

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| April 1, 2012, 5:37 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Short, short version 'cause I'm trying to judge as many as I can today...

For me, it was the lower section of the body. The proportions just seemed a bit off to me. His hip/groin area was a little too long and didn't really flow for my eyes. Still you gotta remember, a 3 is a GOOD score (people keep forgetting that). When you get a 4, it's a WOW and a 5 is a "Holy Mary mother of..." so a score of 3 is good. If I didn't like it, it would have been a 2.

Okay, thanks for the quick response!
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| April 2, 2012, 7:04 am
Mister Bones,

I don't get why you deducted a point because of what phimpson said, cause right after he posted the comment i added the catagory it was in. So why would you take away a point from that?.....http://mocpages.com/moc.php/316437

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| April 2, 2012, 9:37 pm
Greetings Judges, three of you have rated my The Dog Ate My Homework entry, Little Timmy's Encounter Of The Odd Kind. ( http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316635 )

I'm not upset with the scores I'm getting, but I'm getting the impression that none of you listened to the audio skit linked to in the body of the entry, so I'd just like to bring it to your attention. :~)
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| April 2, 2012, 10:08 pm
Hey judges,
when you commented on this-http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316203
you kept giving it threes, but most of you said cool or great SUV, so if you liked it so much, why did you only give it threes?
Was it because of not fitting the category, and if so why?
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| April 3, 2012, 6:30 am
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Quoting Hayden .

First of all, the SUV is excellent, much better than I could build. I really liked the lawn mower effect also.

But I felt the scene was otherwise pretty bland. There wasn't much personality to the scene aside from those two details. And I guess for me, I don't consider buying an SUV an American dream (unless you want a gas hog!), so in a sense it didn't fit the category in my eyes.

Hope that helps.
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| April 3, 2012, 7:43 am
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Quoting John 55555
Greetings Judges, three of you have rated my The Dog Ate My Homework entry, Little Timmy's Encounter Of The Odd Kind. ( http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316635 )

I listened to the audio skit, and was thoroughly scared by the end of it (mostly by your voice).

You should know that our scores will still stand.
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| April 3, 2012, 7:46 am
Mr. Phipson,

I have no problem receiving threes, but can you explain why you gave me a three on this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316670

I'm not complaining or anything; I'm just wondering what I did wrong to deserve a three.
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| April 3, 2012, 9:08 am
Quoting Lego Builders

Don't forget, a three means good job. Practically all the builds got threes.
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| April 3, 2012, 11:14 am
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Quoting / TheBricks
Don't forget, a three means good job. Practically all the builds got threes.

HAHA, and by "all" you actually mean "57.8%". (That is just a rough approximation.) ;)
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| April 3, 2012, 11:21 am
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Quoting Lego Builders
Mr. Phipson,

I have no problem receiving threes, but can you explain why you gave me a three on this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316670

I'm not complaining or anything; I'm just wondering what I did wrong to deserve a three.


You guys gotta remember, a three is a GOOD score. If it's REALLY good you get a four and if it floors us, you get the five.

Your moc got the three because it was a nice moc. I liked it. It just didn't floor me. The build was nice but for the category, it was a bit of a plain concept in the grand scheme of things.

Again, a three is good so that meant I did like it.

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| April 3, 2012, 1:52 pm
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Quoting John 55555
Greetings Judges, three of you have rated my The Dog Ate My Homework entry, Little Timmy's Encounter Of The Odd Kind. ( http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316635 )

I'm not upset with the scores I'm getting, but I'm getting the impression that none of you listened to the audio skit linked to in the body of the entry, so I'd just like to bring it to your attention. :~)

1. I have already stated that linked sites and photos from other picture sharing sites are blocked for me. (Your audio is such a site)
2. I am judging on your build, your skit does not interest me, sorry.
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| April 3, 2012, 4:31 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Hey Blake! I'm interested to know why you only gave this http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316490 a 4 when all the other judges have given it a 5. I don't think I could have made it more accurate to the real thing using Lego. Maybe it's because you weren't a child of the 80's and cannot relate to it as much as the others but I think it also fits the category very well. I'm not complaining I'm just curious as to why you feel it didn't deserve a 5? Thanks Tom

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| April 5, 2012, 11:20 am
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Quoting DeTomaso Pantera

Oh gosh, yet another entry in which I destroyed the perfect rating. ;)

First of all, thanks for asking! Communication is invaluable in these situations. Like you said, I am not a "child of the 80s" so I just have to close my eyes and hand out a score on this category (that was a figure of speech, I actually don't close my eyes).

While the model and concept were foreign to me, the build was not. I thought the accuracy was astounding. Very well done on the shaping and essence of the model. If this was for the "out of LEGO" category, it might have gotten a 5 in my book. As it is, I didn't think the build was up to 5 par. It had a simple design with nothing really "outstanding" about it. Again, the accuracy was excellent, but the build as a whole, left some room for improvement.

I agree that it fits the category well (though in my eyes, anything from the 80's would fit the category. :P).

I hope that answers some of your questions.
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| April 5, 2012, 11:54 am
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Quoting DeTomaso Pantera
Maybe it's because you weren't a child of the 80's and cannot relate to it as much as the others but I think it also fits the category very well.


LMFAO! Well Blake, there is such thing as "Google".

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| April 5, 2012, 2:46 pm
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

LMFAO! Well Blake, there is such thing as "Google".

Google?
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| April 5, 2012, 4:19 pm
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS.

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| April 5, 2012, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Lego Junkie
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS.

Madness? This... is... MOCATHALON!!!
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| April 5, 2012, 5:44 pm
Ahahaha, that's been the recurring saying with my team.
"What are you doing sleeping?"

THIS THE MOCATHALON! THE TIME FOR SLEEP IS LATER"
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| April 5, 2012, 6:06 pm
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Enough of childish convo about 300 - this is a thread for some serious questions! "tag-sentence"
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| April 5, 2012, 6:18 pm
Quoting Lego Junkie
Ahahaha, that's been the recurring saying with my team.
"What are you doing sleeping?"

THIS THE MOCATHALON! THE TIME FOR SLEEP IS LATER"


The MocAthalon is over, now is the time to sleep.
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| April 5, 2012, 6:21 pm
I was wondering if the illustrious Kevin J. Walter could give this: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/316576 a score, as there is no thread to report it too. Sorry if I am ahead of the game here.
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| April 6, 2012, 8:19 pm
Quoting Blake Baer
Oh gosh, yet another entry in which I destroyed the perfect rating. ;)


In the spirit of another perfect rating destroyed ;) I was wondering if you could tell me what you felt my build (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316589) could have had to deserve a 5? Thanks!
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| April 8, 2012, 11:24 am
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Quoting Combee .

This was one of the many that had brilliant ideas, but failed to "wow" me on the level of detail. While I thought it had major parts that were well done (bed, mattresses, fireplace), it lacked sufficient detail or complexity to earn a 5 in my book.

Again, it wasn't a bad build (in all fairness, it is really good), it just failed to achieve "perfection".
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| April 8, 2012, 1:49 pm
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OK you lot, I see that Mister Walter has completed his judgement of you. I will now go through the painstaking process of looking at every entry again in order to add up the scores. Hopefully, I will complete this process today and then submit the scores to Mister Phipson so that he may announce the winning team.
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| April 9, 2012, 1:04 pm
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Yeah....so, I have been at it for quite awhile and I am only done with 17 teams, 23 still to go. Probably not going to complete this process today.
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| April 9, 2012, 3:36 pm
Although not a member of it, it's been fun watching this contest progress. :)

When I found out that one of the entries had some key parts in it that were reused from the last MocAthalon I thought you should know.

2011 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/258583

2012 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316693
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| April 9, 2012, 6:17 pm
Quoting Anomaly .
Although not a member of it, it's been fun watching this contest progress. :)

When I found out that one of the entries had some key parts in it that were reused from the last MocAthalon I thought you should know.

2011 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/258583

2012 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316693


Looks like the same technique for the head and body, with a few subtractions in this year's version. May not be a reused model, but certainly a reused idea. Nannan, judges?

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| April 9, 2012, 6:58 pm
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Quoting Anomaly .
Although not a member of it, it's been fun watching this contest progress. :)

When I found out that one of the entries had some key parts in it that were reused from the last MocAthalon I thought you should know.

2011 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/258583

2012 MocAthalon entry: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/316693

That is a valid possibility and the judges shall take this into consideration. Thanks for the tip.
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| April 9, 2012, 8:04 pm
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I am all done scoring, Chris will be by sometime to announce the winner!

As for the comment above regarding Nannan's entry, the judges do not see any reason to DQ it, so it stands.
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| April 10, 2012, 2:37 pm
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