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International Conversation Forum XIV
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Current events:
-The Continuation War, European theatre, is winding down, as the Battle of Vienna looms.
-Arabia vs. Russia elsewhere.
-Everywhere else, there is silence...

Edit: I major derped on the title number. Roman numerals are hard at night.
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| July 19, 2012, 3:00 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Estonia all over the place Awe. Put that flag on some of your MOC's kid. Faction markings always make stuff cooler. What you looking for in an emblem, by the way?

And Danny, alright, cool. I still have this nagging feeling in the back of my head though regarding giving it back to Awe. I don't know if I could live with myself...

Maybe I'll give it to Brian. That would be ironic.


The flag is already on the mysterious Scrubjay, and Nick's own next thing. We have a helicopter duel, you see... As for the emblem, Ian and I will decide if we can meet up next week IRL.

And if you give it to Brian, I will... do something mean. Like have my boi Tim kill him in one CR. Again.
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| July 19, 2012, 4:12 am
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Quoting Evan Melick

Cool. Actually really look forward to seeing it...yano, because I'm a flag nerd like that.

And oh. I thought Matt and I were the only ones who met up IRL and planned ruining all your internet lives over coffee.


Nope. Well, you're probably the only ones that can meet regularly. Ian lives in Canada and is like, snowed in for most of the year I imagine, so this is a rare opportunity we may not get again until we both can drive and have expendable income. >.>

Quoting Tom Neumo

The thing that most irks me was the completely uncalled-for r@pe and murder by my own civilians, when I have made great steps to avoid perpetrating civilian crimes. Something like that is just so far out-of-bounds for what a modern military would ever actually do in the real world that it hurts gameplay by making it look ever more ridiculous.


You underestimate just how fast a person can go off the deep end.

Horror... Horror has a face, and you must make a friend of horror.
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| July 19, 2012, 1:56 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick

The West Coast must be lonely.


You have no idea how true that is, in several ways. Sometimes I think I'm the only person in Portland who believes the second amendment is a good thing.
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| July 19, 2012, 2:34 pm
Just got both sets of orders for the Russian-Arabian conflict. Won't be getting around to the CR until later tonight after I re-read the previous ones and once my fever takes a chill pill which it normally does around the hours I'm supposed to be sleeping.
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| July 19, 2012, 3:05 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Won't be getting around to the CR until later tonight after I re-read the previous ones...

Wait, we're on the very first one still, right? Or should I have sent in new orders?
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| July 19, 2012, 8:10 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I s'pose you want orders Awe?


If you still think you have anything left to do. The majority of the CR will take place in Austria, and a few mop-up operations in the Low Countries if my predictions are accurate.
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| July 19, 2012, 8:44 pm
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So now that this is pretty well irrelevant to everything, and most parties involved don't care anymore, is there anyone that wants to confess to the "Black B-1s" in this CR?

http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73165#comment-835784

Honestly, I couldn't care less, I'm just rather curious here.
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| July 19, 2012, 10:05 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Wait, we're on the very first one still, right? Or should I have sent in new orders?

Still on the first one, yeah. Sorry for the confusion. Also, this'll have to be put off until I go to the doctor's tomorrow. I've got most of it done, but going over it again and making sure that the more significant details are in there correctly requires a clear mind; the type I don't have. No worries though, it will get done.

Also, the OeK civilians and defecting soldiers seeking refuge in the FREE shall get their asylum. However, MPs in coordination with local police forces and so on will be sure to keep them in check and stay vigilant. The refugees will have to go through several processing points before being delivered to camps several miles away from the frontier for security reasons.
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| July 19, 2012, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Still on the first one, yeah. Sorry for the confusion.

Good, good. Get feeling better, eh?
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| July 20, 2012, 1:29 am
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I still want to know who did the Great Iron Fist Heist.

>.>

<.<

Oh wait, I know who did that.

With no orders coming in, the CR is now under way.
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| July 20, 2012, 1:55 am
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Ssh, Hacker, I'm revealing that in the CR.
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| July 20, 2012, 2:00 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Ssh, Hacker, I'm revealing that in the CR.

How is it even going to play in? Are you, for the first time ever, going to take APS into effect?
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| July 20, 2012, 2:07 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I still want to know who did the Great Iron Fist Heist.

Yeah, Nick.
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| July 20, 2012, 2:15 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Do you have an ETA on the CR Awe?


In an hour or two.


Quoting Matt Hacker
How is it even going to play in? Are you, for the first time ever, going to take APS into effect?


Pssh, no.


Quoting Ultramarine .

Yeah, Nick.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0

I never get to reveal anything!

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| July 20, 2012, 2:41 am
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I was working on something nice for you all on Photoshop, but when I went to save it, the thing crashed and all progress was lost. Awe's morale has been crippled tonight, he will not finish the CR until tomorrow. Sorry guys.
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| July 20, 2012, 3:34 am
Quoting Tom Neumo I trust you have no personal vendetta against me either...
of course not a personal vendetta. Let's just say, my wish to have seen your nation flooded with wind-borne radiation particles and all life more significant that cockroaches removed, is in-game only, if that is any comfort.

On that subject, I just watched an extremely powerful and entertaining nuclear apocalypse movie: The Divide. I can see why some people would not like it, but I thought it was great. It's a very thought provoking film.

Quoting Evan Melick
And Danny, alright, cool. I still have this nagging feeling in the back of my head though regarding giving it back to Awe. I don't know if I could live with myself...

I am highly, highly doubtful that Awe would or could do anything to you for the remainder of this game. I would say he may be able to adequately defend himself against invasion, but he is no threat to you. And you did mention that you may give him Argentina anyway, after I tried and failed to hand it over to him a month or so ago...
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| July 20, 2012, 8:50 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I never get to reveal anything!

Yeah, I had it figured out after he started pointing fingers at everyone else; combined with the realization that he had that id**tic hit list and going after everyone that had done him wrong real or imagined last group that everyone else besides yours truly was on... Then I started putting two & two together.

By the time I was wanting to act, after so many false alarms that I wanted to make dead certain I was right, everyone else was doing such a good job of it that I didn't need to do anything about it after all. You get what's coming to you, eh?
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| July 20, 2012, 11:45 am
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Well, I went to see the Dark Knight Rises premiere and completely neglected to send in any orders whatsoever. Sorry, Awe.

Anyway, the movie was fantastic. Highly, highly recommended.


Leaving to see it right now.
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| July 20, 2012, 12:46 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Leaving to see it right now.

Strap a pistol to your thigh before going... And a shotgun strung across your back shouldn't hurt either.

...Just having a bit of fun at the expense of my state. Geez, in order to make national news we either have to have cities burning to the ground or psychos shooting up places. Gives us flyover states a complex.
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| July 20, 2012, 12:56 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
And the only way we deal with it is pretend to be Canada.

You say 'Aye' a lot, do you?

He was wearing body armor, too. This dude was planning this for awhile. Kinda like those N. Hollywood guys that went after the BoA.
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| July 20, 2012, 5:05 pm
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I survived the movie, don't worry guys. All I had to worry about were fat people in my way. And two freestyle rappers who were actually pretty good...

Back to business.
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| July 20, 2012, 6:34 pm
Is there some recent cinema shooting I haven't heard of? I don't watch the news, partly to do with not having a television.
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| July 20, 2012, 8:07 pm
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Aha! Now we have the magnificent helicopter: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/7612413086/in/photostream
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| July 20, 2012, 8:23 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Aha! Now we have the magnificent helicopter: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/7612413086/in/photostream

One does not challenge Awe and expect to win.
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| July 20, 2012, 8:33 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Talent like this should not go to waste. Please keep building VTOLs from now on...
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| July 20, 2012, 8:33 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
CR pleasekthxbi.


/Russian guy from Red October: Yah yah yah...
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| July 20, 2012, 8:45 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40712407@N06/7612592312/

LRH-1 Nixon. All you need to know.
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| July 20, 2012, 9:02 pm
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The last CR is up. This war is over.
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| July 20, 2012, 9:56 pm
Governor Shelton celebrates his share of three dollars and fifty cents gifted to the Axis by the Africans today in Vienna. One dollar and sixteen cents. <3
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| July 20, 2012, 10:00 pm
We will give the Baltics the pleasure of dealing with the resistance. All troops will be returning home as champions of a United Africa as more Baltics arrive for the Occupation that we will not be taking part of.
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| July 20, 2012, 11:01 pm
yep Awe, it was like 25 or 30 F-35s, partly disassembled to fit in the cargo ships.

An emergency air-force, the last remnants of the RAF.

Also, just for the record, do you have a final deathcount for the Anthrax attacks? Also a clean-up cost and time idea would be nice to know.
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| July 20, 2012, 11:41 pm
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Today, in the Federation...

The victorious Turkish Army is to be highly commended for their heroism. It has been mere hours since the fall of Greece, yet the insurgency has been declared over as the last ones were corralled and dealt with. Might have had something to do with their family's well-being called into question. Well, most of them anyhow, an estimated 200 are still on the loose out there.

The surviving army units of Greece will be organized into provisional units and subject to immediate transfer elsewhere as full military servants of the Federation. The Turkish Army will of course be redeployed home, as the situation there is pretty...interesting.
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| July 20, 2012, 11:58 pm
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Because Team Fascist lost the war, I made us a little present. Ever heard of Polandball? If so, you'll like this: http://i.imgur.com/BR5iV.png

And now, for Evan's occupation map.
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| July 21, 2012, 1:01 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
http://i.imgur.com/BR5iV.png

LOL I like the FREE device. U NO STEAL, kk?
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| July 21, 2012, 1:08 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Because Team Fascist lost the war, I made us a little present. Ever heard of Polandball? If so, you'll like this: http://i.imgur.com/BR5iV.png

I lol'd
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| July 21, 2012, 1:32 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
I love you.


You're gonna love me more, because I have more planned. Gonna try to work on them when I'm on vacation, starting tomorrow...
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| July 21, 2012, 1:47 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
I expect to be included in the next one. :3


One after next one. Next one is called "Hero Beginning." Erik knows the story.
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| July 21, 2012, 2:00 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Erik needs to get himself a flag then.


Oh, I have his flag. Remember the SSW?
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| July 21, 2012, 2:15 am
Okay, evidently, I leave for two weeks and everything blows up in everyone's face. Can someone fill me in?
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| July 21, 2012, 6:55 am
Quoting Connor Mulders
Okay, evidently, I leave for two weeks and everything blows up in everyone's face. Can someone fill me in?

Europe died. End of story.
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| July 21, 2012, 8:52 am
Quoting Tyler TJM
Europe died. End of story.

That's one way to put it. The way I see it, Europe decided Europe was a threat to Europe, so Europe invaded Europe and Europe destroyed Europe across Europe, wherever it hid. There was also some action in America.
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| July 21, 2012, 9:20 am
Quoting Nick Shelton
That's one way to put it. The way I see it, Europe decided Europe was a threat to Europe, so Europe invaded Europe and Europe destroyed Europe across Europe, wherever it hid.


I lol'd.

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| July 21, 2012, 9:48 am
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http://qkme.me/3q6el5

BRB, vacation till Wednesday. Nick, you have the con.
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| July 21, 2012, 11:32 am
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Today, in the Federation...

Updates on the situation everywhere are coming through the Pravda and being distributed to the people. Though the Federation's involvement is largely inflated obligatorily to boost hometown morale, there is nonetheless a great deal of truth coming through about the Federation's involvement. Aside from the climactic battle that severed the French and OeK's hopes of linking up in a hotly contested battle fought alongside our Chinese brethren, the central story is still the 150 operatives that stood taller than life to save an entire town, and subsequent actions by regular army units that saved untold thousands from similar fates in the wake of the French retreat. The camps that interred these refugees are in the process of being turned over to German jurisdiction as the allied armies of Russia and China pack up to go their respective ways.

The Kremlin officially offers additional aid to the Germans and Baltics in the form of food and medical supplies. Unfortunately monetary aid will be withheld, and we hope the reasons will be understood.

The situation in Greece remains relatively the same. Small-unit tactics have been adopted that revolve around 5-man specialized teams that have been deployed to assassinate insurgents. About 50 such teams have been deployed, and already a marked decrease in partisan activity has been noted as the large bodies of troops that are their preferred targets are gone, and they are forced to contend with units that are as liquid and mobile as they are themselves. Most of the occupation troops have withdrawn. Reports have surfaced in the Turkish media that a source within the Greek army in the middle of being reprocessed and redeployed indicated that he and his fellows were being...encouraged...to serve faithfully for the good of their families back home. These allegations have been summarily denied by officials. No word of any investigation or probe into this matter.

On to domestic matters, the two carriers that we forgot to launch have been launched into places unknown, where I'm sure they'll be put to good use.
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| July 21, 2012, 4:34 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo

I don't think Amsterdam was trashed, unless by collateral damage...

Quoting Evan Melick
Clarification needed: How much of France is trashed by radiation?

Well in real life, not only all of France but other large areas of Europe would be affected by the radioactive fallout, but due to the rule against contaminating other players' countries I imagine the fallout is limited to all of France. Same with Britain.
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| July 21, 2012, 9:03 pm
Tom, do you really intend to begin a clean up operation of France and Britain that you most certainly do not have the economical means to follow through with? Also, how are you going to provide for ~100 million refugees, many suffering from radiation poisoning? As it is, your economy is already in ruins, you may barely be able to restore the ruined cities in Germany...
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| July 21, 2012, 9:56 pm
Also, you won't be able to get your remote controlled helicopters close enough to dump concrete on the nuclear power plant remains, at least for a while until the EMP effects have cleared.
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| July 21, 2012, 10:23 pm
Quoting Evan Melick

correction: it WAS intended to ruin the game for players in Europe. Since we can't do that, we are content now with simply not letting the communists gain much from our lands.
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| July 21, 2012, 11:34 pm
The FREE government confirms the transaction that has occurred between the Baltic Union and ourselves. The state of Lichtenstein has been removed from our sway as a Special Economic Zone and allowed to join the Baltic Union. The territories consisting of Slovakia, Hungary, and Moldova will be occupied by several brigades of military police and several infantry divisions have been put on standby to restore order and rebuild local police stations and government offices to make sure the citizenry is properly protected and represented during this critical time. Basic humanitarian supplies will be trucked in to provide for refugees and so on. Those people that have just recently crossed in the FREE for asylum have been offered rides back to their homes should they wish to return, but the response has been lukewarm. We have also offered to have them flown to their government in exile should their loyalties run deep, but many have remained dumbstruck by some of the scenes of violence they have witnessed and are unwilling to go threw the paperwork processes. More news later.
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| July 22, 2012, 12:01 am
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Yeah, I completely agree with Evan. I'm thinking we're going to be looking into this sort of thing for the next group. No nukes OR fallout.

Just because you get yourselves into situations you are not capable of executing to a conclusion favorable to you, then you get what you deserve. Period. You should not act immature and go around messing it up for everyone else. It's like losing at Risk and then throwing the board up into the air just to prove a point.
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| July 22, 2012, 12:02 am
Quoting Tom Neumo

I call BS on that, Awe told me that after the war you would be broke, economy wise. Even if he hadn't had confirmed that with me, there is no way you could afford the trillions upon trillions of dollars needed for clean up operations of multiple, significantly sized countries. Let me put things into perspective for you:

Chernobyl cost a billion dollars and 14 years to clean up. The cost for medical treatment, relocation, and more for the people physically damaged by Chernobyl cost 235 billion dollars. Even today, Ukraine is reeling from the financial damage from the disaster.

Now, take this event, increase it's damage impact (because the melt-downs were intentional and planned instead of a freak accident) and apply it to at least 40 reactors spread out all over France and Britain, and instead of dealing with 50,000 people from Pripyat, you're dealing with ~100,000,000 refugees... Well, you've got a real financial problem on your hands, Tom.

While we're on the subject of clean-ups, I'd like to mention to Evan that a post office in Washington was contaminated by Anthrax. It took over 2 years and cost 130 million dollars to clean up, and that was just one building...

And I'm cool with fallouts of any kind being banned next group, but please get over the fact that I used a method that was available to me and that was not mentioned in group rules.
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| July 22, 2012, 12:47 am
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Third time's a charm...

The Premier has finally paid attention to the treaty dividing Japan into three groups and has welcomed the northern Japanese islands into the Federation. The provisional government spoke with the Kremlin and established agreements concurrent with both nation's desires. Among them was the return of the island of Sakhalin to Japanese governance, a large step toward burying the hatchet of WWII.

Quoting Danny Morgan
get over the fact that I used a method that was available to me and that was not mentioned in group rules.

Because it was so original, wasn't it? Face it, you were a copy-cat at best.

Quoting Danny Morgan
least for a while until the EMP effects have cleared.

EMPs are not like fallout where they stick around until they decay, they are pulses that result from the first moments of the explosion and go away very swiftly. Unless you have an EMP generator, it's one per nuclear explosion.
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| July 22, 2012, 1:09 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Because it was so original, wasn't it? Face it, you were a copy-cat at best.
Hey, how else was I supposed to destroy my entire country (like it or not, I did still blow up 4 reactors in Scotland, rendering at least some parts of it uninhabitable) in one CR? I give full credit for the idea to Nick.

And about the EMP, after a little research I found you and Tom are right. I watched a video recently of Chernobyl where what I think an Mi-8 helicopter flying near the reactor suddenly dropped out of the sky and crashed, and I presumed EMP. I'll find the video when I can
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| July 22, 2012, 2:19 am
Quoting Tom Neumo
Because, obviously, technology hasn't advanced at all since the 80's and it costs the same amount of money and time to clean up reactors and treat people as it did 50 years ago.

26 years, actually. Remember we don't presume technology jumps.

Quoting Tom Neumo
No, actually, lets re-do some of your shoddy math here. The Chernobyl reactor melted down on April 26, and its sarcophagus wasn't completed until November of that year (mostly because the Ukrainians were inept and didn't know what to do right away, so they took a while to figure out how to fix their mistakes). That is a solid 200 days of leakage time.

Now, by your own number (40) of reactor meltdowns, I would have to wait 5 days just for the amount of radiation put out to equal what Chernobyl put out.

Oh, look, it's been exactly five days since the French reactors went off, (four since Britain's), and I'm already well on my way to capping off the reactors (what with that 50 years of technological advancement [more like 80 when you consider Germany vs. Ukraine]), and it shan't take long at all!

So, going by my brand-new unit of "Chernobyl-days". By the time I'm done sealing off the reactors, there will probably be more than 200 Chernobyl-days of radiation.

You act as if "sealing" off all the power plant wreckages will magically cure all of Britain and France of fallout. The damage is done, the reactors were blasted into the atmosphere. Also don't forget the refugees that you have so willing provided for.

Quoting Tom Neumo
No new rules banning fallout will be necessary...


There aren't any rules against fallouts, I thought we've all already established this. Nukes are banned however.

Quoting Tom Neumo
There are only two active reactors in existence in Scotland and both are in the south kthxbai.

so? Why couldn't I blow up the inactive ones?
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| July 22, 2012, 8:17 am
The Department of Awesomeness has released pictures of our newest tank: The M-3 "Labrador". Pictures can be found here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52840060@N08/7621435336/in/photostream
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| July 22, 2012, 8:20 am
Stop bickering like children. Tom, live with the massive economic toll. Danny, stop being a sore loser.

Awe, could you post the exhaustion times for the people who weren't entirely eradicated, aka the allies?
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| July 22, 2012, 10:13 am
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Quoting Danny Morgan
I presumed EMP.

It was likely mechanical failure due to the fallout radiation. Like the Chinese drywall a few years back, it started eating through wire insulation and causing short circuits.

Thank goodness those same developers bought Chinese lead-based paint, it made an accidental nuclear shield over the drywall...

Quoting Danny Morgan
Nukes are banned, fallouts aren't.

That doesn't really make sense as one is the product of the other.

Please consult the following proof:
1) Nuclear weapons are banned.
2) Nuclear weapons cause massive, damaging explosions and create area fallout.
3) Nuclear reactors when melted down cause nuclear explosions (even if in miniature) and create area fallout.
4) Ergo, nuclear plant meltdowns=nuclear weapons and therefore ought to be banned. Q.E.D.

That's my premise and conclusion. It's not fallout I'm arguing against. I'm arguing against letting people melt down reactors at all--as a first-strike target used offensively, or spitefully as a scorched-earth policy in this case--because they're basically in violation of the nuclear weapons ban. 'Nuff said.
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| July 22, 2012, 3:20 pm
Anyway guys ima be leaving for Texas on Wednesday and will be gone till Sunday. So don't expect much activity.

Oh and have fun plotting my doom ultra and blocking me from all websites.

Or deleting my comments.
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| July 22, 2012, 3:23 pm
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Quoting Tyler TJM
Or deleting my comments.

Aw, you're so cute!
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| July 22, 2012, 3:55 pm
Working on the CR again. Should have it finished soon. Hopefully by Monday I'll have some antibiotics in me to make this process go a bit quicker.
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| July 22, 2012, 4:08 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Aw, you're so cute!

K
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| July 22, 2012, 4:41 pm
CR up. If you want me to tally up your losses officially, I can. Or you two can count up what I said, post those numbers and I'll go with whatever sounds closes to memory. Kidding of course. Most of the ships included as casualties aren't sunk and can be put to combative service after the next CR if you're good boys.

Also, Tyler, that bit you said was left out by Cole wasn't found by my eyes. I didn't see anything designating a movement like that. Sorry. Send the snippet from your orders and I'll look it over in the bigger set.
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| July 22, 2012, 6:55 pm
Well, when you get foiled, you get foiled. Too bad Allies to pus to play.
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| July 22, 2012, 7:15 pm
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So, we're replaying the fight for Gallipoli? Because it turned out so well for the Australians the first time.

Oh well. I'm glad someone understands and appreciates how well Israel is prepared for such...intrusions. Looks like we get to replay the 1973 war too. I'm fine with that.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

Thank you very much. When are orders due?
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| July 22, 2012, 7:25 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
When are orders due?

Whenever you can get them in. I'm not too particular at the moment.
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| July 22, 2012, 7:51 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Whenever you can get them in. I'm not too particular at the moment.

Thanks for keeping it realistic.

I'll try and get them in tomorrow before I leave.
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| July 22, 2012, 8:11 pm
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With Rome's involvement in the war in Europe concluded, military alert levels are beginning to wind down. Populations in conquered lands are being offered the standard Roman residency status, or have the option to send their children to Agoge training and into military service in exchange for full citizenship. Although little resistance is expected, small military forces are being moved into these new areas to firmly entrench Roman order, and help rebuild after the war. Until new recruits complete Agoge training, a service extension of 2 months is being enforced to help grow the size of the Roman Army to protect the newly enlarged borders, however this will only be necessary for the next several months (hopefully). Wartime production is being scaled down to normal levels, and military parades are being held throughout Rome to honor our national heroes.
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| July 22, 2012, 10:16 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

hey I'm all for banning any kind of nuclear-based disaster next group, I only got to do this through a loop hole.

And Tom, Hacker's right, we should stop arguing. Awe made his ruling, let this thing rest.

Quoting Evan Melick
Also, yano, since two admins agree that the fallout thing is ridiculous, yano, doesn't that actually do something? Like negate the whole ruddy thing?

Two admins that Nick and I were at direct war with, and thus should be affected by biased. The only neutral admin has allowed it. Also he's a CM.
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| July 22, 2012, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
hey I'm all for banning any kind of nuclear-based disaster next group, I only got to do this through a loop hole.

Except it's 2/3s majority. All it takes. Well, if Awe can be non-biased, and he truly was seeing that two of his own homies went down in this war, then why can't I be considered non-biased when I make such decisions? It's our job to be non-biased. It makes zero difference to me, I didn't even get any real estate out of the deal (not that I wanted any, considering the mess it would be in).

Heck, I was the one that tried to set them off in France; but then I thought better of it after consideration (even though I didn't). If I'd been the one to set them off, I'd still be here saying what I'm saying now.
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| July 23, 2012, 12:17 am
Heh, after looking at the new map update I guess I should be glad I still exist in Europe. There are literally only 4 main countries in Europe right now including me.

SEC Updates- Yerp, just placing in out new government into formally Spanish territories, new bases, damage cleanup, Barcelona capital of new territory yadda yadda yadda. Basically I'm all for a new group now after the Russian-Arab thing ends.

That was some finish to the massive European war as well. The SEC would like to appreciate the inventor of popcorn, as we were consuming it while having front-row seats to the best action of movie of all time. Oh wait, that was a real war!? Even with all the nuclear meltdowns and the destruction of half the continent!? I thought it was just Hollywood...

Jokes aside I also vote to not have nuclear disasters in the next group, at least that cannot affect the gameplay.

Also anyone else notice the increase of advertisements on the pages? Kind of getting annoying.

Mateo out. Peace.
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| July 24, 2012, 12:03 am
While I have not gone through the admin channels like I usually do, it seems readily obvious that Brendan Dore is no longer with us. With Mauritania now devoid of any real government, the frontline units that were not yet sent to Europe have been diverted to claim this deserted, barren desert.

Oh, and due to the massive war brewing to the North Venter decided that it would not be in our best interest to go out of wartime production just yet- need to replace what was lost in case something cataclysmic occurs.
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| July 24, 2012, 12:03 am
In the Union...

...money, narcotics, women.
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| July 24, 2012, 2:03 am
In the South Pacific...

Sunburns, Megalomania, Unnatural Selection
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| July 24, 2012, 7:30 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
In the Union...

...money, narcotics, women.


WE KEEP IT REAL quiet, to be considerate of our neighbors.

I'll get those exhaustion times up tomorrow, I'll be home then.

Also, I wasn't aware radiation was banned, I just thought nukes themselves were.
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| July 24, 2012, 10:52 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Also, I wasn't aware radiation was banned, I just thought nukes themselves were.

I don't think it is, but people just don't want it in the next group.

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| July 24, 2012, 11:32 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

WE KEEP IT REAL quiet, to be considerate of our neighbors.

I'll get those exhaustion times up tomorrow, I'll be home then.

Also, I wasn't aware radiation was banned, I just thought nukes themselves were.

Neighbors? We're in the forsaken Jungles bro. We have no neighbors.
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| July 24, 2012, 12:43 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Neighbors? We're in the forsaken Jungles bro. We have no neighbors.

OR... He may mean interested philanthropic nations across the world. Just saying.

/recalls certain lewd policies being lynchpins for certain wars last group...
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| July 24, 2012, 7:01 pm
With the fall of several once great and powerful nations and the spread of global communism the India Ministry of Defense has decided that a major build up of military strength is necessary to maintain our national security and secure the independence of India and her allies. Construction of a Parracida Class Tarnkappenflugzeugtraeger, a Sigismund Class Tarnkappenwaffenkreuzer, and a Thessaloniki-class Frigate will begin in India, a Sigismund Class Tarnkappenwaffenkreuzer, and a Thessaloniki-class Frigate in Australia and 2 Ashoka-class Destroyers and another Thessaloniki-class Frigate in Japan started on monday to provide advanced, modern ships to begin replacing parts of our aging fleet. Also large numbers of armored combat vehicles and advanced combat aircraft are being produced and being distributed to the ground forces of India, Japan, and Australia. The goal is to increase the total number of modern aircraft and AFVs in service by 1.5x.

In one month the Indian Army will be proud to introduce our first Ground Combat Drone Division. Dozens of Skystriker BMD systems are being produced and distributed to undisclosed locations to give the Confederation and her allies a credible ground based anti-ballistic missile system. Also two MX-4 spy satellites are being constructed and prepped for launch at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre.
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| July 24, 2012, 8:09 pm
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Quoting C A
...and her allies a credible ground based anti-ballistic missile system.

Hope you don't plan on shipping those through an active war zone, in other words certain person's territories. It would be rather regrettable for the shipment method to meet with foul ends.

In other words, by air, land, or sea I cannot guarantee that the transport vehicle won't be engaged. 'Tis war, you know.
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| July 24, 2012, 8:24 pm
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Due to the aggressive policy of our neighbors, we will also be beginning a new program. This will include increasing the size of our interceptor forces, bomber forces, and tank forces. Our northern allies in Korea have agreed and they are passing bills to allocate more money towards defense.

In Japan, our forces have expanded to 500,000 strong with more forces coming from Korea to reinforce the forces there.

In the south Pacific, our garrisons are currently increasing in size with more marine and light infantry being sent down there. So far there is a force of 50,000 on Hawaii with another 30,000 on Chinese Samoa.

Due to the security in the north, some Korean armored forces are being moved south to babysit the border with our aggressive neighbors in the South.

Currently, even though the war has ended, our reserve forces are still going to remain tactive and many will be making a trip south to Tibet.
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| July 24, 2012, 8:27 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Hope you don't plan on shipping those through an active war zone, in other words certain person's territories. It would be rather regrettable for the shipment method to meet with foul ends.

In other words, by air, land, or sea I cannot guarantee that the transport vehicle won't be engaged. 'Tis war, you know.

No by allies I mean Australia and Japan because they're not technically part of India. I'm not currently sending anything to Tyler at the moment.
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| July 24, 2012, 8:34 pm
The request for 157 000 new troops to supplement our gains in Iberia and Romania was increased to a generalized 200 000 to bolster the number of artillery batteries and standard infantry meant to act in support of said artillery and of course the large sums of armour that will making its appearance soon. The increase was funded by a revised defense budget meant to cover Slovakia, Hungary, and Moldova. We've already indoctrinated the first division of this 200 000 order granted its been undergoing completion for quite some time. These 12 000 men and equipment have formed our newest mountain division which will serve both Romania and Moldova. Iberia will receive two divisions shortly in order to help defend its rather large size and the FRA troop backdrop is disappearing rather quickly.
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| July 24, 2012, 10:55 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
OR... He may mean interested philanthropic nations across the world. Just saying.

/recalls certain lewd policies being lynchpins for certain wars last group...
No need to be cryptic. No one truly cares about last group anymore.
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| July 25, 2012, 11:23 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Neighbors? We're in the forsaken Jungles bro. We have no neighbors.


You never know!


Quoting Ultramarine .
OR... He may mean interested philanthropic nations across the world. Just saying.

/recalls certain lewd policies being lynchpins for certain wars last group...


>.>

<.<

But yeah, I'm back now. Got another comic for you guys coming up.

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| July 25, 2012, 3:45 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great


But yeah, I'm back now. Got another comic for you guys coming up.

Ohhh lovely hopefully it's about the Russo-Arabian War.
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| July 25, 2012, 4:42 pm
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Quoting Tyler TJM
Ohhh lovely hopefully it's about the Russo-Arabian War.


The title is "Hero beginning" so I don't think it is.
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| July 25, 2012, 4:48 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

The title is "Hero beginning" so I don't think it is.

:(. Evan still needs to fix my flag and polandball.
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| July 25, 2012, 5:00 pm
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/7646334850/

Hero beginning indeed.
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| July 25, 2012, 5:42 pm
HAL and the Indian government are proud to reveal our newest multi-role fighter, the HAL Avatar. http://www.flickr.com/photos/60581209@N07/7646974362/ Named after the Hindu name for a human incarnation of a god we hope that its performance lives up to its namesake.
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| July 25, 2012, 8:06 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/7646334850/

Hero beginning indeed.

Lovin' Prusso-Egypt.
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| July 25, 2012, 8:14 pm
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Union is still up to no good, guys. Between ponies and building... only evil can come. Also, Nick's got something to say.
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| July 25, 2012, 9:55 pm
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Gotta admit folks, as someone who's been watching from the side since the start, I got some major catharsis from that.

Edit: And with even more recent developments, that catharsis was made far more stronger.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:07 pm
 Group admin 
Please don't delete comments, Tom has approved of this.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:31 pm
 Group admin 
Due to the highly offensive nature of the content, Nick's comment has been stricken from the record. It will not be re-posted, period.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:31 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Due to the highly offensive nature of the content, Nick's comment has been stricken from the record. It will not be re-posted, period.

I find it highly offensive that I was fooled by you and your cronies, and now that the truth has come out, you are trying to erase evidence. Do not shy away from your crimes, boy.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:33 pm
You know what, I don't care what slight, actual or perceived, would cause you to write that abomination, but I know for a fact that Henry would never right something that vulgar about anyone.

If you are going to call for someone to step down being a CM, or refuse to partake in a conflict where a specific person is presiding, fine. As far as I'm concerned, spreading such hateful messages directed at a member of this group is worse than making your invasion fail because of lack of logistics or having morale miraculously crash (I'll give you that). No matter his intentions, what he did or didn't do wasn't downright mean spirited.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:38 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
They have evidence, I say hear them out, despite the copious amounts of cussing.

I also believe that you should hear him but this is not the place for that link. If he had done had raised the point in a better way we would not be having this conversation. I asked Ultra to delete the comment to be highly offensive even though I had no role in it. This is not the place for that type of language.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:38 pm
Nor is the group the place for lying and deceiving to get your way.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:39 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
Nor is the group the place for lying and deceiving to get your way.


Bro, let's not start calling the pots black... We're all guilty of that at one point or another, some just more than others.


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| July 25, 2012, 10:43 pm
While I don't have clue whether your evidence is factual l will note your execution is poor. If your attempting to lodge an actual complaint I'd refrain from directing derogatory words at the person because people start less caring about your argument and more about the things you directed at the person. Just a tip.

Edit: In other words you sunk yourself in an attempt to sink Henry.
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| July 25, 2012, 10:56 pm
Quoting Tyler TJM
While I don't have clue whether your evidence is factual l will note your execution is poor. If your attempting to lodge an actual complaint I'd refrain from directing derogatory words at the person because people start less caring about your argument and more about the things you directed at the person. Just a tip.

It's like they think I care!
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| July 25, 2012, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
They have evidence, I say here them out, despite the copious amounts of cussing.

Yeah, sure. I just find it really funny that Mr. "Ham's a great CM"-Nick has the audacity to post something like this.

Let's just say that I have a LOT more to complain about, and I never, ever considered stooping to such a low, slanderous, abrasive, and vulgar attack.

I call bias (http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=14411&topicid=66220#comment-726576) I'm laughed at. Nick, however, can keep dredging things up and it's applauded. Math don't add up, professor.

Nick can carry grudges for groups, attack so badly as to continue to call for the downfall of a CM. On the other hand, all but my enemies at the time agreed that another CM was so biased as to blast the paint off a ship by just breathing on it, and I was ridiculed to the point of shame. Somehow, the adminship supports this?

Quoting Nick Shelton

Really. If you have any evidence that I was at all implicit with this, I'd like to see it. Because I wasn't at all involved in that Britain War, was I? Pardon me for rehashing old conversations, but you know full well it was your own big mouth that cost you that war.

Don't forget, I've seen your orders. Let's just say that I have not seen a single thing that would make me doubt the absolute success that I've had against you in the past through ALL CMs that were involved.

It's interesting that you pick one out of the 5 CMs we had for that conflict. Very interesting indeed.
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| July 25, 2012, 11:47 pm
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Awe the admin calls for investigation, nothing more at the moment.

Awe the player calls for justice, however.

Let's be glad that the two can be separated after all.
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| July 26, 2012, 12:27 am
Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy. Lawd Jaysus comes down from da clouds, and dey be doubtin' his word?

First of all, I am only calling out Henry. I will not say anything about Henry here, because everything I think about him has been posted in the link.

Second, I am calling out Henry because he's the CM that I have received evidence against numerous times, from numerous sources. Two of which are Admins here, btw.

Third, my Combat Orders are of no concern to you. Trust me, when I was fighting on my own turf, I was writing very, very long orders, all of which were very intricate. Just ask Awe, he proofread them all.

Fourth, my MOUTH lost my war with England? No. I lost that war because Henry helped Danny. Danny confirmed this, Henry hinted at it, and you've confirmed it by implying Henry made me lose because I offended him. If my words, which by the way, were not as stinging as the ones I used against him recently, offended him to the point that he decided I need to lose a war, he still does not get an automatic pass. That's called bias, buddy.

Fifth, there's no need to be condescending.
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| July 26, 2012, 12:38 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Awe the player calls for justice, however.

For what? Now we're going to go around chopping off past CM's heads for perceived bias? It's the people's choice on who CMs what. I say we leave it that way. I call it a wash, here:

Point No.1: Nick believes Ham's CR was perfectly aligned with reason and laughed himself into conniptions when I had the effrontery to call spades spades. Remarkably, no one cares.

Point No.2: Ham had integral dealings with three of the axis members of that conflict, frequently by his own admission discussed outcomes AFTER order deadlines had passed, ignored entire sections of orders that may have yielded a more positive outcome for me with malice aforethought, and flagrantly distributed CM confidential information. No on cares again.

Point No.3: Nick says Henry's biased against him because of his friendship with me. Doesn't matter, it seems that in one of those wars, I was Nick's cohort in crime. Everyone screams bias and calls for investigations.

Conclusion: The people know the truth, and some can't see it. It's the people's choice for CM, period. There can't be an investigation into one person if you're not going to investigate ALL parties involved. Just who are you going to get to seriously take part in this investigation?
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| July 26, 2012, 12:48 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
For what? Now we're going to go around chopping off past CM's heads for perceived bias? It's the people's choice on who CMs what. I say we leave it that way. I call it a wash, here:


I just wanted my boats to arrive, man. That's all I wanted.

Lets talk about Ham: I don't think he paid attention to all the details, I think he made mistakes, and I think if we were to do it again, we'd find someone else other than Ham.

But Ham has no effect on me, I don't care what judgment is made on him. I just wanted my boats to arrive.

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| July 26, 2012, 12:56 am
I am not here to discuss Ham, he is not a player anymore, he has a life outside this group that he is enjoying quite well, I hope.

However, since we're here to make investigations, I guess I have to.

1. There is no evidence against Ham so far. The only evidence we have is Ultra, and he is quickly trying to divert attention away from the Great Henry/Ultra Duo that has fooled us all for so long. Face your crime, do not shy away from it.

2. There has been evidence that Henry works with the combatant (Henry and Danny), to make a favorable outcome. That does not apply to Ham, because I rarely talked to Ham outside of the group, and when I did, it wasn't about the group. We're also making the assumption that ally = friend. It's been stated numerous times, that your ally is not your friend. Danny can vouch. I attacked/allied him at least twice, and I've done the same to Cliffe several times. Ham being my ally in the beginning of the group, does not mean he will be my ally and inside source later on in the group. That is a very hazardous link, and we could say that Erik could be biased in this War between Russia and Arabia for the same reason.

3. Ultra, you and I were definitely not cohorts in this War. If I recall correctly, you helped out very little, and I believe once made contact with me about the War. If that's a cohort, then I guess you can call Henry and yourself husband and wife, because you're always together. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmlj8dekPs1qkqbc3o1_500.jpg

4. I'm not asking Henry be struck down from the record books like some kind of Dave Smith or Joe Paterno, I'm asking that in the future, he be kept from being a CM, because it has been proven time and time again that he is an unreliable CM, that consistently favors the opponent of people he does not like. Speaking of unreliable...

5. ...odds. I swear, when I first heard this out of Henry's mouth, I was like 'wut'. Apparently, rather than judge CR-to-CR on how the War will go, Henry looks at the pre-War thing, makes a judgement, and then makes the war go that way. That is NOT how a War should be CM'd, and if I was an Admin, I was would IMMEDIATELY correct that action.
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| July 26, 2012, 1:07 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I just wanted my boats to arrive, man. That's all I wanted.

You want to talk about boats? I'll talk about boats.

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a bad report.

See Ham was a biased combat mod, there isn't much to doubt. Australia sent ships that day to turn the axis back...
(To turn the axis back)

Hawaii was the first to fall. Yes, that much is clear. Magic submarines and boomerangs flew through the skies...
(Flew through the skies)

Well I looked around and my fleet was gone while all the ax-is cheered. My only consolation was: that it was a mistake. Finally, the Australians arrived one CR behind...
(One CR behind...)

There you go. Australian ships clearly there at the time of the attack in my orders and in position to help mysteriously materialized too late to lend a hand. Worse, he even asked if they were there via FM, and then published the CR anyway before I could respond. If you want to talk about ships, fixing CRs, and all that; boy-o, I can tango.

Tragic tale it was to be sure, and no one cared...
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| July 26, 2012, 1:09 am
You care to explain why Awe wasn't allowed to join in the War?

Another thing:

You bemoan this Ham bias, when there is no proof expect from you. However, there are numerous accounts of Henry, yet you continue to ignore Henry in your attempt to divert attention. It's not worth the time to try to start a new front, when you can't defend your own.

Also, how would Australia send its Fleet all the way to Northwest of Midway, in one CR? That's a long time! However...it's not unreasonable to think that the PCU would be able to move its entire Fleet to the area northwest of Midway, and using superior tactics, overwhelm the Confederates. That's actually the most reasonable thing, since it you know, actually happened.

Another thing: numerous times, I had written LONG, LONG, LONG orders, that had the tiniest details, even down to ROADS about where I wanted my men to be. Where they mentioned? Nope. 'Confederates advanced another 15 miles today. Ain't no thang.' If you're going to accuse someone of something, make sure you can't be held guilty for the same thing.

Come on, Ultra! The evidence is just too much. As a certain woman might say... http://i.imgur.com/Sqhja.gif
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| July 26, 2012, 1:13 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You want to talk about boats? I'll talk about boats.


I gotta hand it to you, you know how to stick to a set of main points. Were you on a mock-trial team in high school? Because they really drilled that into me on my team, before I was ejected. Ham was a poor CM choice, we can all agree there. At least I try to fix my CR's mistakes, yes?

But this isn't my fight, this is between Nick and Henry, and kind of you. I'mma sit back now.
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| July 26, 2012, 1:15 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
I am not here to discuss Ham

Right... We can discuss one person but not another. Might unearth something, so we must bury it like good little G-men. I have the same evidence you do about you, Cliffe, and Ham.

I weary in this charade. If you have solid, undeniable evidence, present it. If not, I'm not going to respond to endless tirades of a begrudging, vulgar member who has a history of not knowing when to let go of perceived wrongs. I don't know what you're trying to suggest, that I may have been involved/complicit in something last group? I don't know, I don't care.

As for not contributing to the war in Britain. I'll just show you this:
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=74180#comment-863248
I reached a penetration depth of about 40 miles. I had operational strength, momentum, and was not at all in the dire situation that besieged you. If you hadn't shot off your arrogant and offensive mouth and emailed me what you did, I would have continued to land men and in about 2 CRs would have had you out of that pocket and advancing again.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you fall under investigation in that war over certain edited orders and other underhanded means? Pardon me if that has a...*small* effect on my view of your integrity in the first place.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

EDIT: Oh, lol. So it's ok that Ham was biased as long as we just disregard whatever happened there, whatever role you may have had in that, what he did after that in distributing confidential information REPEATEDLY and just focus solely on the one you want to go after. Boy oh boy. A regular witch-hunt here.

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I gotta hand it to you, you know how to stick to a set of main points.

No, but I am rather good at this. However, I do not see this as a 'Redirect' or 'Evasion' of the issue. I see them as two identical things, and the characteristic Nick personality showing through in only seeing one thing when the other is practically punching him in the face.
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| July 26, 2012, 1:31 am
Quoting Ultramarine .

Here we go.

1. Ham is not of concern here. There. Is. No. PROOF. If we could get a testimony from someone OTHER than you, it'd be most appreciated. Until then, this matter is closed due to irrelevance.

2. Compared to my Beachhead, your 'Invasion' of England was nothing. You decided to leave because Danny and Awe decided what actor they'd have play you in an adult film, and I was chosen to relay the message, because people thought we were allies. You raged, and got mad at me, even though I was not involved.

3. This 'order forgery' is such a silly example, it's not even funny. I wrote a set of orders, and as I sent them, went 'Man! I forgot to write in anti-missiles. Well..., it should be fine.' Soon after, Henry says 'Hey, I don't have your orders.' I quickly copy/pasted my own orders back into the Flickr Mail, and added the missile defense order in, seeing as how it was fairly soon I had sent the original. This was perfectly fine, as the ships I had in the English Channel should have been running anti-missile as it was, seeing as how that's what ships do. But no. As soon as I send the second set of orders, AS SOON AS I SEND THEM, Henry goes 'BRO! You're cheating!" and started screaming to everyone and their mother about me being a cheater. Honestly, I was correcting a small mistake in what was probably an hour of time. Blown out of proportion? Mayhaps.
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| July 26, 2012, 1:53 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
1. Henry is not of concern here. There. Is. No. PROOF. If we could get a testimony from someone OTHER than you, it'd be most appreciated. Until then, this matter is closed due to irrelevance.

Huh. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!

As far as the other goes, yeah sure. Danny says he can provide screen-caps to the contrary. Even so, I NEVER would have sent ANYTHING like that to ANYONE regardless of how much/little I was involved. It was in poor taste and quite offensive.
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| July 26, 2012, 2:03 am
Just throwing my opinion out there Nick, it actually makes sense to me of someone "predetermining" a war, within some reason. For instance, let us examine the latest European war. The war between just the Baltics and the OeK was likely a tossup and a bloody stalemate, with the advantage going to the OeK in terms of men and materiel. It is safe to assume that unless something radical happens, the OeK would eventually fight its way to a position where they could make demands. This general trend of OeK victory could, of course, be turned around by solid tactics, intricate strategies, and genius by-the-moment instinct, like the Battle of Midway. Unfortunately, CMs do not want pages of solid tactics (because they invariably get thrown out, no matter who is doing the CMing), strategies are generally simple "attack here, try to encapsulate" type of things, and due to the very nature of CMing, that genius moment of inspiration simply cannot happen, unless its thrown in with a tactic that would be neglected anyway. So yes, I am saying that miraculous battles are A) highly unlikely and B) possibly indicators of bias in itself, reversing a general trend based on the CM's whim. So at the beginning of the war, OeK victory was essentially inevitable, although at what price, and what gain remains pure speculation.

Then came the entry of you and Danny. Now, comeon, tell me that if the war stayed the same, you weren't predestined to win. At this point, no matter what Tom did he would end up losing, again, unless the CM was in complete cahoots.

Then came Tom's desparate pleas, drawing in... everyone else. At this point I thought it was a tossup because of the timing- I was very certain that it would be impossible to save Tom. Much to my surprise, the first thing I hear about it was how the Axis' defeat was inevitable. Huh?

TL;DR, barring a superhuman CM who can manage every scrap of detail (when nobody has been proven to even include every central plan), or a large shift in power via introduction of outsiders, or a truly evenly matched conflict where strategies actually matter (I honestly feel that none of the wars you are complaining about fit this last part), it is safe and I would defend accurate, human, and unavoidable to predestine a side to win based on general trends and the balance of power.
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| July 26, 2012, 2:12 am
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Axis defeat was only inevitable after everyone joined in. At that point, no one else was going to join, so I've been told. Nothing radical was going to happen, unless I pulled a Bad Guy Awe and had a hurricane sink the FRA fleet and knock every Chinese plane out of the sky.

Pre-determining the war from it's outset is what I'm against. It could have gone either way until Evan, Henry, and Hacker decided to answer the beacons of Gondor. And had certain other players done something to counteract this, the war still could have gone either way.

But Europe was gonna be a bloodbath, we've known that since day one... right?
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| July 26, 2012, 2:24 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I've tried to make my response to this several times, but I'll leave it at this. Thank you for trying to be against blatant (key word) predetermination, which I think is bad too.
However, I stick by with what I say about general trends being unavoidable and important, otherwise a war would never get anywhere, rendering their entire purpose null and void. Actually, that would be interesting seeing a more purely economic rather than classic warfare scenario...
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| July 26, 2012, 2:57 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
However, I stick by with what I say about general trends being unavoidable and important, otherwise a war would never get anywhere, rendering their entire purpose null and void. Actually, that would be interesting seeing a more purely economic rather than classic warfare scenario...


That's all true. But trends can be broken, things can happen, even a small rock falling can start an avalanche, to paraphrase Gandalf. You can never be certain how things will turn out, only have an idea. And that's the key, to be ready to change your perception of what will happen based on what actually -is- happening.
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| July 26, 2012, 3:23 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

That's all true. But trends can be broken, things can happen, even a small rock falling can start an avalanche, to paraphrase Gandalf. You can never be certain how things will turn out, only have an idea. And that's the key, to be ready to change your perception of what will happen based on what actually -is- happening.

Aye, although the best, and most important decisions are the ones that CRs do not allow- those split second decisions that can make or break a battle. These are the true falling rocks that start an avalanche, break the momentum, and turn the battle around. Unfortunately, members cannot be the commanders in the fields, we are merely the armchair generals infinitely detached from the action, only receiving updates after the fact.
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| July 26, 2012, 3:41 am
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Alright, Nick, if you ever read the messages that I sent you when you kept complaining to me this whole thing would be resolved. Now I would like to clear a few things up.

Firstly, your men didn't lose morale because I wanted them to, they lost morale because they were being targeted with a never ending tear gas barrage, had mines air dropped behind them, and were being targeted by snipers. Now, I don't know about you but having to wear a gas mask constantly should, alone, cause your men to be very much upset and have low morale, fleet or no fleet. Not to mention that your “armada” (a few AASs, a rag tag bunch of cargo ships, and not a single escort) was nearly sunk nor could it have contained the manpower needed to do anything because you didn’t send them with a single escort (even though the king was a so-called master of battles), but that is beside the point.

Secondly, you told me you sent me orders, so I told you to send them again but at the same time I tried to find your original ones so that we could both look for them. But, in the end you decided to take advantage of the opportunity to cheat.

Thirdly, I told you your odds of victory are low once you began slowing your offensives and decided to dig in. Now, I may not be as intelligent as the king in military matters, but I do know sitting down and entrenching doesn’t lead to much land gain. At the same time, you let the British surround you with more troops, logically as the attacker if you have less troops than the defender the odds of victory are low. So I told you that, but rather than reading what I actually said you just decided to be ignorant and TYPE IN CAPS to stress that I was being biased even though I was logical and rational.

Fourthly, on home field advantage I kept on telling you that obviously you would have a disadvantage and your men, after a while, would begin to question why they are dying in southern Britain. Now, I never “randomly” made your men lose morale it logically happened due to the situation. Again rather than reading what I told you, you TYPED IN CAPS to stress my bias.

Fifthly, on the Chunnel, you wanted me to magically find a way to load a tank on a train to get it to Britain. I told you this was impossible because of my “bias” despite the fact that the only vehicles that could make it through are compact cars. You again decided to ignore facts and decided to CALL ME BIASED IN CAPS.

Sixthly, on supplies, you kept on screaming for me to get more men to the front and when I said the supplies are beginning to lower, you started TO TYPE IN CAPS. So even though I did what you wanted me to the result was again being called biased. So, there was nothing other than handing you victory that could have made you not call me biased.

Finally, on my “conspiracy” Ultra fought with you in the war, so that is a bit of a wild assertion. If I were to go against you I would be going against Ultra which makes your points very illogical.

Now as one can see, I logically provided evidence which was also specified in the CR and to Nick as well for why things happened. So, none of the things that were “biased” were done by the CM on whims, they were concluded logically due to the situation and environment. We can even see that when I did do things that Nick wanted it would end in being called “biased” or being cursed at. There is and will be nothing that I can do to please Nick other than handing him victory, he will always just call me biased.

In the end, I will not stoop as low as you did and just curse, while being ignorant, at you nor will I hold a grudge. But I do wish that in the future you do not call me demeaning terms because you are actually making yourself look very unclassy and arrogant, not myself. Also as a future reference please don't just TYPE IN CAPS or curse at your CM because he may not be as lenient as I was on those matters.

On D&L, I never modded alone, towards the end it was Tom and myself. I believe he was too busy for us to actually put out CRs and I could not do it alone.

Also I would like you to enlighten me on when I told Danny I would help him win because I don't remember saying anything like that. Let's not just shout out random ideas let's actually provide some evidence, I've looked through my messages to him and I see no attempt to ensure his victory.
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| July 26, 2012, 12:38 pm
I can never go bowling again after reading that . . . trial.

Anyhow, working off-and-on the CR, dudes. Lotta reading on my part and it'll take awhile to analyze and cross-analyze each party's happenings. It'll be out before the week is done though.
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| July 26, 2012, 3:24 pm
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I can never go bowling again after reading that . . . trial.

Anyhow, working off-and-on the CR, dudes. Lotta reading on my part and it'll take awhile to analyze and cross-analyze each party's happenings. It'll be out before the week is done though.

Aye. I'm sure between ultra and I we have likely written a small books worth of orders.
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| July 26, 2012, 3:41 pm
Henry, all of your rebuttals are meant towards C&C and the Britain conflict, and do not answer for DL, which was 90% of my accusations. Lrn 2 rd?
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| July 26, 2012, 4:57 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
Henry, all of your rebuttals are meant towards C&C and the Britain conflict, and do not answer for DL, which was 90% of my accusations. Lrn 2 rd?

I actually just found what I believe to be the problem. The fleet that never arrived is due to a communication error between the handing off of CMs. From what I can gleam from D&L ICF XVIII, the root cause is that the fleet with reinforcements to the PCU was sent under Areetsa's CMing. Then he was replaced by the joing CM team of Henry and Ham. According to Henry way back when these plans were not sent to him. Confirming this, Awe said that he sent these plans to Ham... who proceeded to quit CMing shortly after this problem was noted, leaving most of the conflict to Henry. Then Tom became Co-CM, adding to the confusion. Plus, lots of Chinese troops DID arrive courtesy of a Luftansa airlift that brought thousands of troops into the theater, a move which I approved of (prior to Tom's appointment as CM).

Looking back, it seems like the fleet not arriving was not the major issue here (although the confusion certainly exacerbated the anti-Henry sentiments), but it was rather the fact that Nick's nation's industrial capacity was reduced to rubble. Because of this, Henry did not allow the excessive amounts of new equipment that Nick claimed to be brining towards the defense to even exist.

In short, I think you need to "lrn 2 rd" what actually happened (as I just spent several hours finding out) rather than going on from a mind clouded by anger. And no, I'm not distorting the facts here, just re-summarizing what actually happened.

You won't listen, but in my mind it is case closed. The perceived "bias" was the result of insufficient communication by all parties plus Henry's sticking to the more "realistic" approach to war that we encouraged last group.
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| July 26, 2012, 5:25 pm
Investigation! I'll accept that.
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| July 26, 2012, 5:29 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
I actually just found what I believe to be the problem. The fleet that never arrived is due to a communication error between the handing off of CMs.


That's actually plausible... I've got about 4000 FMs though, so I don't have the time to go back and look through them all for last year's orders to Henry. I am convinced that I told him that they were coming, though. Then the CRs stopped coming, and that opens a whole new can of worms.

I laud your in-depth research though. We await Nick's evidence now...
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| July 26, 2012, 6:33 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
unless I pulled a Bad Guy Awe and had a hurricane sink the FRA fleet and knock every Chinese plane out of the sky.

Or, as I affectionately call it, The Ham Maneuver. It's been done before, you could probably have gotten away with it as long as you had enough cronies to ridicule the speakers of truth.

Quoting Nick Shelton
Investigation! I'll accept that.

FINALLY, his highness is appeased. I'm so glad. Do I hear an apology coming here?

Anyhow, I think I might also have been a culprit of the Chinese not arriving in all that mix-up, because no one wanted to go back and trace the path and timeline of the fleet in order to determine where I would have attacked them stemming from orders under Arty. So, they were listening to me yelling in one ear about my attack and you yelling in the other ear about why they aren't there.

Gee, here we are at the bottom of all this and we've found no bias. On the other hand, no one cares about Ham and what happened there. Probably because I don't script profane diatribes about my own ignorance and throw temper tantrums to get attention. Marketing, marketing, marketing...
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| July 26, 2012, 7:36 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Marketing, marketing, marketing...


Well, it worked, didn't it? Also, I don't think Ham is ever gonna be a CM again, which is what Nick wants for Henry.
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| July 26, 2012, 7:44 pm
This investigation is far from over, Ultra. Hacker lay down one piece of evidence for Ultra, and I have two against.
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| July 26, 2012, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Well, it worked, didn't it? Also, I don't think Ham is ever gonna be a CM again, which is what Nick wants for Henry.

Ham is only CM because of his actions that no one else has chosen him. It's not by anything official, but no one's willing to take a chance on him. I don't know that I CM-d all of D&L because of some amateur mistakes I made in 21st, and maybe because I was so busy doing everything else.

There is no way anyone here is going to take the profane diatribes of a vengeful member who feels himself wronged on hearsay and circumstantial evidence and just blanket-sweep ban ANYONE from CM-ing again.

CMs are chosen by a conscious decision of the attacker. It has always been that way, and it should always stay that way. If we start banning CMs just because we don't like their methods, that's a pretty slippery slope.
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| July 26, 2012, 7:58 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .

CMs are chosen by a conscious decision of the attacker. It has always been that way, and it should always stay that way. If we start banning CMs just because we don't like their methods, that's a pretty slippery slope.


If a CM is chosen because he is biased, and is shown to be biased, he should not CM. That is a very simple thing to understand, and I don't understand how that is a 'slippery slope' to anything.
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| July 26, 2012, 7:59 pm
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Quoting Nick Shelton
This investigation is far from over, Ultra.

Yes, by all means, let us drag this out for days on end just bantering back and forth. Please DO NOT just show us all your hard evidence that's not hearsay or circumstantial all at once and have it over with. I mean, that would just make too much sense after all, wouldn't it?

Well, nobody banned Ham, after all.

I say this 'investigation' lasts 1 day, period. I'm sick of this, and everyone can see through you already. Get it out now, or forever hold your peace. I do mean, forever.

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| July 26, 2012, 8:01 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Ham is only CM because of his actions that no one else has chosen him.


I wonder why they haven't. Anyways, I want to see Nick's sources come forward, otherwise this is going nowhere.
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| July 26, 2012, 8:08 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I wonder why they haven't.

Because he has the power to make entire fleets magically disappear...

Weren't you paying attention earlier? =D

Quoting Nick Shelton

4 hours, buddy. Show us whatcha got and that'll be the end of it.
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| July 26, 2012, 8:12 pm
ok, well basically Henry dropped the occasional hint and advice to optimize my strategy to defeat France and Spain. In my opinion, he made it too easy for me to hammer France, I still believe I would have won with a totally unbiased CM but it would have been a lot more drawn out and I would have suffered much more casualty wise. I'm not going to go into an Ultra/Henry secret alliance theory as I know nothing about that, but yeah I did find I did a little too well against France, so I imagined that Henry might have some vendetta against Nick.
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| July 26, 2012, 10:35 pm
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Ok, well, that's more circumstantial and hearsay. Not very compelling if you ask me.

So, to my satisfaction, the D&L incidents, or the 90% has been dealt with sufficiently on the testimony of a disinterested party and one well acquainted with the confusing circumstances surrounding the incident; Matt Hacker. Furthermore, Danny's testimony, or what was going to 'blow this wide open' is a mere opinion and applies to C&C, not D&L. As with the 10%, well even I have been guilty of accidentally 'coaching' people in the past in just discussing the war with them. It's hard to get away from, since it can just come out as your opinion on tactics, and it ends up being applicable in the CR. I've shied away from that this group, as both Tyler and Matt P can attest to. I don't see it as a very big issue.

Well, sorry Nick, better luck next time. Have proof next time too. That helps a lot.
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| July 26, 2012, 10:51 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Well, sorry Nick, better luck next time. Have proof next time too. That helps a lot.


He's writing it as we type. Might be more circumstantial stuff, but we'll see. Patience, Ultra.
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| July 26, 2012, 10:54 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Patience, Ultra.

Patience?! I objected vigorously in the first place, it's all you guys that insist on this. Do NOT lecture me on patience.
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| July 26, 2012, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Patience?! I objected vigorously in the first place, it's all you guys that insist on this. Do NOT lecture me on patience.


And yet, I still have to lecture you. Just wait, it'll all be over soon, and we can go back to whatever it is we all do when there isn't drama going on.

At least it's not one of my CRs here.
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| July 26, 2012, 11:02 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great At least it's not one of my CRs here.

Speaking of waiting for CRs, when I was digging through D&L I found that people tried to kick me from being a CM because I didn't get a new CR up within 3 days. How much of a difference a year makes >.>
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| July 26, 2012, 11:06 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Speaking of waiting for CRs, when I was digging through D&L I found that people tried to kick me from being a CM because I didn't get a new CR up within 3 days. How much of a difference a year makes >.>


What can I say? I'm really good at delaying things. I promised Precipice 8 "Any day now" two years ago.
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| July 26, 2012, 11:09 pm
Alright, gents. The moment we've all been eagerly waiting for. The moment when Nick presents all of his evidence.

For the lazy fellows watching from afar, and not interested in reading commentary, I will link the images at the top, so you may analyze them yourselves, and come to your own conclusions. I hope that you see them the way I did: as condemning evidence that Henry has bias, and should not be a Combat Moderator any longer. Link: http://imgur.com/POtcv

Now, for the commentary.


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In the upper left of the image linked above, you have me and a player who goes by the name of Tom, who you will happen to find was a Combat Moderator with Henry, the suspect, last group. Tom and I were discussing the exploits of Henry (as well as the words that were posted about him on Flickr), when I brought up the FACT that Awe's Navy never crossed the Pacific. Well, if you clicked on the link, you know he said: "...the China + PCU v. Ultra Incident, where Awe wasn't allowed entry for whatever reason."

This is a very clear statement, almost impossible to misunderstand. Someone wasn't allowing China, played by Awesome-o-saurus the Not So Great, to enter the American Civil War.

First of all, that is against the rules. You simply cannot prohibit a member from entering the War. That is a breakage of the Rules, and should have been amended as soon as possible.

Second. Who would have called that down? Likely, it was a ruling from a Combat Moderator. Now, members of the group have pointed out: "Nick, if the Moderators did that, would that not implicate Tom as well?" No, because Tom would have admitted to it, for he is an honest man, as all men should be. That leaves only one reasonable answer left. That Henry called it down. Now, as we all know, Ultra and myself were the main combatants in this conflict. It is not at all unreasonable to think that Ultra, being good friends with Henry (something that will be pointed out later), could have asked Henry to prevent China from entering the War.

Obviously, that is against the rules, for the Combat Moderator is supposed to be fair, and should not be able to be bought. If Henry was bribed, then that is reason enough that he should be prohibited from being a CM any longer.

However, Tom did not stop there. He continued on to say, that he was not active for the conflict between myself and Danny Morgan, playing as England, (though he was active enough to sell planes to England, oddly enough. >.>) but that he would not put it past Henry to muddy the facts, and make it another loss for myself. Mayhaps, this is a sign that Henry has a personal vendetta against me? Mayhaps. You would think the words of a trusted Administrator of one group, Moderator in two, would be known to contain no lies.


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In the Bottom Left of this picture, Danny Morgan comments on the biased activities of Henry Wang, the Combat Moderator for that conflict. If you had looked at the image (seriously, look at the image, it's important), you will have seen that Henry made it 'easier' for him to prevail against the French forces during the Invasion of Britain.

One. That's immoral, as well against the CM's job description of being fair. Combat Moderators are supposed to impartial, fair, and willing to let anything happen in the War, as long as the strategies used allow it.

Two. Henry Wang does not do that. Henry Wang, as seen in the image, has a 'set outcome' for how the War will end, before shots are even loaded into the guns.

That's not fair, is it? That's not fair, it wasn't ever considered fair, and won't ever be considered fair.

I was even told by Henry that no matter what I ordered my men to do for the rest of the war, this was mayhaps two CRs in, would not matter, as I had a 0% chance of winning the war, and a 50% chance of making it out. What? That's acceptable? I'm going to be disregarded, no matter what my strategy is? Sounds fair to me, eh chaps?


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Now, onto the last piece of evidence. This conversation took place between Matthew Hacker, playing South Africa this group, and myself, over Facebook chat. During, I was lamenting the fact that I lost the War between myself and Danny Morgan, pointing out that Henry was the Combat Moderator for the conflict. Hacker immediately drops the bombshell: England could not have held the Invasion that I had planned.

What?

That's right. I invaded England, and as I say in the image (jaysus boy, look at the image!), I had the element of surprise on the Royal Navy, and my Invasion Force was within 30 miles of easy resupply over the English Channel.

However, during the War, my men were constantly under supplied, despite constant orders for more supplies to be flown in, and train cars to be loaded with them and sent through the Channel Tunnel.

Several seemingly flawless battle plans were applied to the Front, to the point of sending members of the Kingsguard to inspire morale in the soldiers. None of these things had any effect. They were not so much as mentioned, actually.

Curiously, during the War with Ultra (for those who are not paying attention, Ultra and Henry are best friends), Henry repeatedly gave my men disadvantages due to low morale, sometimes to the point of the soldiers eliminating their commanders. These men were fighting on their own homelands, yet they had no desire to defend it. Odd, because...

...in the next group, the French Navy completely decimated the Royal Armed Forces in their first operations, and by all rights it looked like the French were about to capture London. However, the Englishmen all of a sudden had 'homefield advantage.' Que?

Some readers might say 'Maybe the English had finished mobilizing, and we're beginning to counter-attack?' Well, no, because as Hacker said in our conversation, England would not be able to hold the French, for they have a smaller military, and even today continue to downsize, whereas the French were continuously adding and upgrading.

While I'm reading this, my heart sinks. I lost, and a member of these groups more experienced than half of us combined, just told me Danny had no chance of defeating me. I ask myself, 'Why? Why would Henry do this?'

Hacker then went on to answer my own question. 'Henry is biased towards Ultra because they are [redacted] buddies. It is the truth.' Matthew Hacker, had just confirmed that Henry had a bias. That is three members of the group that have confirmed (CONFIRMED, not accused) that Henry was a biased Combat Moderator, especially towards Ultra.


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FINAL STATEMENT:

I'm not asking for much. In fact, what I ask for, is one of the most basic things a human being can do: do the right thing.

Henry Wang did not wrong me. He wronged the group, both of them in fact. By accepting the position of Combat Moderator, he was pledging to be unbiased and fair between the combatants. Clearly, as you've seen in my evidence, fair and unbiased are not words one would use to describe Henry Wang.

Once again, I'm not asking for much. I'm not asking the members of this group to condemn Henry from ever participating in these groups again, and I am not asking any of you to give Henry a talking to, I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself.

What I want, is justice. Justice.

I want Henry to be prohibited from being a Combat Moderator in any combat simulation group run by these members forevermore, not because of personal animosity, but because he has proven himself incapable of being unbiased. If you doubt that, you only have to look at the sources I have in the imgur link at the top of this comment, and you, too, will see the actions of this man.

Evan, would you want someone who has been proven to be biased to moderate one of your conflicts? Would you be comfortable letting someone who has so easily aided one party over another have your battle plans? Would you, Ian? Would you, Erik? Would you, Ultra? Would you, Henry?

No. No, you wouldn't. Vote accordingly.


Note:

Further questions can be directed to me on Flickr.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:11 am
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I stand by what I said a few months ago in that image: In the black of the night, a man says things he dare not by day.


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| July 27, 2012, 12:17 am
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Quoting Nick Shelton
It is not at all unreasonable to think that Ultra, being good friends with Henry (something that will be pointed out later), could have asked Henry to prevent China from entering the War.

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother with rebuttal on that point. That's just absurd.


Quoting Nick Shelton
Curiously, during the War with Ultra (for those who are not paying attention, Ultra and Henry are best friends), Henry repeatedly gave my men disadvantages due to low morale, sometimes to the point of the soldiers eliminating their commanders. These men were fighting on their own homelands, yet they had no desire to defend it. Odd, because...

OH! Yes. Ok, I'm going to clue you in on something here. Something that I was frankly scared to death would be revealed by Will in his infamous defection, but to my surprise and delight was not.

That is, I had upwards of 200 men roaming around in your uniforms acting as your men (NCOs, specifically) that were for all intents and purposes your men. Except where they didn't fight on the front lines. No, they were perfect in re-routing your traffic, reassigning supplies, and making sure intelligence reports never made it where they were supposed to go. Who knows, you might have unknowingly had some of them on the Governor's staff? Actually, they weren't that successful. Didn't want to take that chance. However, some of them were given orders closer to the front lines and were so well trusted that they actually were able to assassinate officers when the opportunity presented itself. With your officers disappearing, supplies not getting where they should when they should, and worst of all: promotions and raises getting cancelled, what did you expect to happen to morale? That's why "Your" men were assassinating officers. Thus: low morale, even fighting on homeland...even with a Chinese armada on the way. Not really yours, but yet were. They were there from the second CR of the second fight right up until the end of that war.

Don't believe me? Who do you suppose it was that stole the HAT-1 plans? Yep, them. I've got the orders to prove it...somewhere.

I vote as I have from square one: The attacker always decides and no one is EVER to be disqualified from being CM.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:37 am
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While we're revealing plans, I was hiding my Arketers in Kazakhstan, and I was getting ready to invade Erik across the Amur river once the events on North America were over.

Sorry bro, it wasn't personal, I just wanted to see how much of a showdown we could get going. Sadly, it never even got to mobilization phase.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:42 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Sorry bro, it wasn't personal, I just wanted to see how much of a showdown we could get going.

Le Gasp! A land war in ASIA?! Are you MAD?!?!
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| July 27, 2012, 12:46 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Le Gasp! A land war in ASIA?! Are you MAD?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OifhQ64EM

Quoting Tom Neumo
Awe, Ultra, because I already know how strongly you both stand on either side of this issue, and I don't want tampering with this process, I am going to drop you both to moderator level until this is resolved.

You all have one week to cast your votes. At the end of that week, I'll count the votes, make the decision, and re-promote Ultra and Awe. THEN WE MUST ALL MOVE ON AND STOP DISCUSSING THIS.


As I said last night, that's completely fair.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:56 am
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Quoting Tom Neumo
But, don't you see? By making it an all-group vote, I'm doing exactly that: making it the people's choice!

No, you're not! You're letting people with large grudges and a little circumstantial evidence bring 'charges' against a long-standing CM whenever they want to for things that happened over a year ago.

If people don't like a CM, they don't engage that CM for their war. THAT'S the people's choice. THAT'S what happened to Ham, Brian, and a handful of others who couldn't cut it. No one was there persecuting them for things they did over a year ago. We're not above making mistakes, who's to say what we've done unknowingly isn't confused as bias by another? What charges await you and me by a member carrying a grudge and a little bit of hearsay?

1) I had ZERO dealings with Henry as the accusations allege by asking him to not let the Chinese ships there. There is ZERO evidence to support such baseless accusations. That's hearsay and speculation. I resent that, and yet such behavior is being rewarded?
2) Mitigating circumstances: I happened to have 200 operatives killing officers and messing around in the back areas, there goes morale.
3) I was in on that war in England with Nick. If the latter had kept his mouth shut, we'd have achieved ultimate victory. I've dealt with Nick's orders (when he got them in) and they're nothing special, often uninspired, flat, or outright bad. You're talking about a guy who practically threw away two carrier groups and let the Italians waltz across Corsica! I have no doubt about the successes I had, and the failures Nick had.
4) Methodology seems to be the problem here. CMs can change methodology. I know I did from 21st to here. There are a couple CMs that I don't prefer their methodology. Should I prefer charges against them?
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| July 27, 2012, 1:19 am
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Ok, now it's my turn to defend myself.

Now people, last group may be a long time ago, enough that we could forget a simple fact, the fact that I never received a single order from Awe. The axis did not trust me with orders, so they always either sent them to Tom or Ham, now I don't have mind reading powers so I have no idea that Awe sent troops of any kind. In fact, a quick look at the group made to debate how the CR would turn out shows that when Tom posted Awe's orders there was no such orders for an invasion. I cannot execute what I do not receive. Not to mention I already had some of Awe's units engaged in combat in the only CR that I wrote. Also if you guys object as to why I did not ask for clarification, well that was not my duty, I only handled the orders of the Allies so I followed my job to the letter.

On the issue of advice, I specified that I would be providing everyone with advice, not clues to enemy orders or giving away orders. Advice, as in warnings of ramifications or general military advice, so that they could word their orders to my liking or to ensure that no one got completely destroyed. The admins did not object, so I followed through. Now, I offered advice to Spain, Britain, and France. In fact I even warned Nick of the ramifications of slaughtering civilians.

On the note of the strength of the French military, I do not deny that it is larger and if a battle were to occur one on one they would win. However, this is not the case, the French military in its entirety was never engaged into combat, at most there were maybe 150,000 French troops with 20,000 reinforcements. Not nearly enough to defeat the British military who were all at home.

On the issue of supply I stated in the CR that if things don't change that supplies may be an issue. I did not say supplies are so low that the men are out of supply, no I said that his forces were so distracted with reinforcements (which he kept on yelling at me to do) that supplies would not keep up with reinforcements.

I've already addressed the issue of morale, so that should be a moot point.

The percentages were already explained by myself.

As we can all see I have only done my job, which is to be an unbiased CM. I will not be upset at Nick for what he is doing because he is merely following up on certain beliefs. However, this is an issue of facts not beliefs, I have presented all the factual information and explanations to show that I am not biased. Now, Nick has brought up a lot of beliefs and assertions, but is there one piece of actual evidence other than opinionated testimony? No, there is none, there is no evidence of me actually telling everyone someone's orders or telling someone that I will be biased towards them.
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| July 27, 2012, 1:26 am
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Look, I'm not going to argue with you. Letting everyone have a vote on the matter is a good way to end this whole ugly mess, because it already went out of hand.

If we'd listened to me from the very BEGINNING of this, there NEVER would have been a 'MESS', would there? All this...never would have happened.

Quoting henry wang
Now people, last group may be a long time ago, enough that we could forget a simple fact, the fact that I never received a single order from Awe. The axis did not trust me with orders, so they always either sent them to Tom or Ham

Wait, what?

So, let me get this straight: You either volunteered to CM, or were asked (I forget which) but the axis yells bias and demands that a clearly biased CM named Ham be appointed to the team. They ignore his bias even when clearly exhibited, send all their orders to him, then you two get to go at it for hours (as I understand BOTH of you said at the time) to publish a coherent CR without being able to look at each others' sets of orders. Their guy drops the ball, and then they blame you?
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| July 27, 2012, 1:34 am
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Quoting henry wang
Ok, now it's my turn to defend myself.

Now people, last group may be a long time ago, enough that we could forget a simple fact, the fact that I never received a single order from Awe. The axis did not trust me with orders, so they always either sent them to Tom or Ham, now I don't have mind reading powers so I have no idea that Awe sent troops of any kind. In fact, a quick look at the group made to debate how the CR would turn out shows that when Tom posted Awe's orders there was no such orders for an invasion. I cannot execute what I do not receive. Not to mention I already had some of Awe's units engaged in combat in the only CR that I wrote. Also if you guys object as to why I did not ask for clarification, well that was not my duty, I only handled the orders of the Allies so I followed my job to the letter.


I sent things to Tom, and to Erik, apparently. Now, I have no idea why I was sending orders to Erik on August 11th about actions in America, but that's the date I have. Mayhaps this is a conversation best held elsewhere....
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| July 27, 2012, 1:36 am
People are blaming Tom? Wut?

Ultra, calm down. It-it only game. Why you heff to be mad?
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| July 27, 2012, 1:36 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
So, let me get this straight: You either volunteered to CM, or were asked (I forget which) but the axis yells bias and demands that a clearly biased CM named Ham be appointed to the team. They ignore his bias even when clearly exhibited, send all their orders to him, then you two get to go at it for hours (as I understand BOTH of you said at the time) to publish a coherent CR without being able to look at each others' sets of orders. Their guy drops the ball, and then they blame you?

Basically, yes. I never received a single set of orders from the Axis so I have no clue as to what orders were sent. I did see them, but the reinforcement part was not my job, I wrote the land war CRs. So I guess you could say I had no idea of any troop movements from China, not to mention some 200,000 troops were already there and engaged.
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| July 27, 2012, 1:38 am
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Hey Erik, we need to drag you into this. Come out of your hidey-hole, explain what you were doing in late-July/August of 2011 CM wise. Because THAT'S where all my ship orders ended up.
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| July 27, 2012, 1:44 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
explain what you were doing in late-July/August of 2011 CM wise.

Erik only published two CRs, you know. LATE group. Then disappeared. In fact, he as much as apologized for it at the beginning of this group. Come to think of it, Henry had nothing to do with that one.

That was my 5-front war...that I was winning by all estimates.

OOPS! I didn't mean that! Oh, man, now Erik's gonna have charges pressed against him for bias. Sorry, Erik. Just kinda slipped out. Hang on, I'll go get some circumstantial/made-up evidence and then we can have another group vote on you too! WHAT FUN!!!
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| July 27, 2012, 1:58 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
Erik only published two CRs, you know. LATE group. Then disappeared. In fact, he as much as apologized for it at the beginning of this group. Come to think of it, Henry had nothing to do with that one.

That was my 5-front war...that I was winning by all estimates.

OOPS! I didn't mean that! Oh, man, now Erik's gonna have charges pressed against him for bias. Sorry, Erik. Just kinda slipped out. Hang on, I'll go get some circumstantial/made-up evidence and then we can have another group vote on you too! WHAT FUN!!!


I find your attempt at humor lacking. Well, the boat case is solved, but all others remain open in my mind. Whatever the outcome is, I hope this is put to death once and for all.

Funnily enough, Nick and I were content to accept de facto defeat before this was brought up as a possibility by none other than our friend Hacker.
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| July 27, 2012, 2:07 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I find your attempt at humor lacking.

You think?

So, we've come full circle and you both are out of a case. Who'd have thought? I mean, it's only what I said from the very beginning.

Oh, well, back to business...
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| July 27, 2012, 2:11 am
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Quoting Ultramarine .
You think?

So, we've come full circle and you both are out of a case. Who'd have thought? I mean, it's only what I said from the very beginning.

Oh, well, back to business...


No, Nick still has a case.

Your condescending attitude does you no favors, no more than Nick's wroth nature.


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| July 27, 2012, 2:16 am
I protest this entire situation. We are litterally becoming a miniature congress. So I announce the creation of the council of moderate leaders. Anyone who wants to get past this situation and and stop forming rival camps then join if you guys can't accept compromise than this group is broke.

Nick get over it. If your so sure he's biased then just never have him CM your conflict. And don't get involved in a conflict if he's CMing and if you get attacked while and he's the CM then just ask for a new CM. Besides what's it matter you can't fix your loss we can't rewind time. What's done is done you can get a fresh start next group.

Henry I have no idea whether or not your biased I say save yourself any future trouble and just never CM for anyone that is part of his camp.

Ultra and Awe stop egging on nick, be the bigger man.
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| July 27, 2012, 11:52 am
Quoting Tom Neumo
Quoting Tyler TJM
I announce the creation of the council of moderate leaders.

Oh, do you now? How cute.

Yep this group is broke. -_-
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| July 27, 2012, 12:22 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
Would you care to explain what a "council of moderate leaders." actually is and how you think it will have sway over anything?

Mostly a joke alliance intbetween the Axis fascists and allied socialists/communists.

Really seeing as your the only admin left now you should be coming down hard on a compromise instead of letting this proliferate. It's going to rip the group apart of you let this trial by circumstantial evidence continue. Your the judge so throw this case our and negotiate a compromise.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:44 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
I still think letting the group as a whole decide the outcome is the most fair way of ending this issue once and for all.

Not likely no one besides the two camps want to vote. And even if one side has more votes than the other it will be because of which camp has more supporters not who actually finds one sides argument more compelling. It's time you pull out an iron fist and do some forceful negotiation. If one side "wins" the other camp will break off and their will be no next group. Sometimes you have to be the bad guy in a position of power whether you want to or not.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:58 pm
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I am a very calm person, I do not TALK IN CAPS or curse at people, but I believe in justice. The way this trial is being handled is not justice. Nick has the right to have opinions, but in order for them to be taken as "evidence" they either need to be backed up by logic or facts. He presents none of these, while I have given you all a logical and factual based argument. Am I saying Nick should be silenced? No, what I am saying is that in order for myself to be convicted there needs to be evidence backed up by facts or logic. If I really wanted to I could claim anything, I could claim Nick and Awe are conspiring against this group, but would that be true? No, it would not because I do not have factual evidence to back it up.

I really do not care what Nick says because he has the right to say whatever he wants; however, when it comes down to a trial based on facts, these beliefs should not be accepted.

Finally, as a CM our word should be final, there should be no hindsight arguments or questioning of competence. If we allow this to continue, what is there to stop the loser of every war to challenge the CM for being biased? Nothing. Now, is that "justice"? Is the ability to be able to bark at the CM because of one's own actions justice? No, it is not. If we continue down this road, there will be nothing to stop every losing side in a CR from just calling bias and making everyone in the group vote him down.

How would people like it if I didn't like the nuclear reactor call by Awe, and decided to say he was biased because of his association with Nick? This is the exact same thing, Nick is trying to say that because I am associated with Ultra and we are allied sometimes, I am completely biased. What kind of argument is this?

In the end, this whole issue has just been a travesty for everyone. Nick, who has been completely negative and disrespectful, still deserves to present his beliefs and deserves to have closure. I have given him closure, I gave him rational explanations as to why things happened like they did, but he will not accept that, in fact he will not accept any explanation. This is completely irrational and unfair on his part, I am willing to hear him out respectfully; yet, he is not willing to hear me out. I have given him logical explanations but he refuses to accept them.
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| July 27, 2012, 12:59 pm
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Tom, can you please unmod my last comment?

Also there should really not be an issue, there is 0 actual evidence. Their whole case is one of beliefs and opinions.

We also need to remember that the French were in no position to win once I was told to dig his men in. How can a side win a war if they are sitting in trenches? It is impossible, if the King is such a master planner, why would he dig in and expect victory?

In the end, Nick's argument that I am biased towards Ultra is completely crazy because Ultra fought on Nick's side, why, if I were Ultra's puppet, make his ally lose? It doesn't make any sense.

There are many assertions which Nick presents that are not coherent and do not add up. I cannot stress this enough, Nick doesn't have a shred of actual evidence of my apparent biased activity. How can we believe an argument which is only fueled by anger and a grudge, rather than logic or evidence?
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| July 27, 2012, 1:00 pm
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I think this is pretty healthy, actually. Instead of sweeping up past grievances under the rug and pretending they never happened, we're confronting them in the open, in the eyes of gods and men. Now that Nick, and to a lesser extent, me, have been able to get a (heated) dialogue going, I hope these can actually be put to rest and not rise again to haunt us another year down the line.

Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from your problems any more.
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| July 27, 2012, 1:07 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
I'm telling you, I really don't like doing the tyrannical thing. I'm all about fairness, and I don't like throwing down judgements from on high.

So be it then. Though I highly suggest you read Machiavelli's "Prince".
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| July 27, 2012, 1:32 pm
I don't even know why this is an issue now. From my understanding this all happened at least 6 months ago and in a different group. I offer my solution. Henry cannot CM a war that involves Nick and Nick cannot enter a war that is being CMed by Henry. That way Henry isn't penalized for a perceived bias, Nick won't be forced to deal with Henry and we never have this conversation again.
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| July 27, 2012, 2:47 pm
Today Operation: Mop-up was launched against the nation of Mauritania. The invasion was deemed necessary following the collapse of the government there. Little resistance is expected, and divisions made from other northern African holdings like Chad and Niger are being used.

Aside from this military action, wartime production has ended, and the economy taking a breather. Although the war was wonderful for our numerous defense industries, the civilian markets suffered accordingly due to the lack of attention. However, due to the lack of any sort of physical damage to factories or cities, a complete recovery to pre-war norms is expected to take just a month.

The military will, of course, lick its wounds in the meantime, although plans for post-recovery acquisitions will focus on restoring the size of the Air Force, while simultaneously increasing the Navy's expeditionary capability. This capability will be reflected in more troop transports and escorts, but not a complete shift in focus to this branch- rather the Air Force will remain our key service branch.
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| July 27, 2012, 4:20 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Little resistance is expected, Little resistance is expected.


So..... I gotta ask... do you expect any resistance?

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| July 27, 2012, 4:47 pm
Quoting Tyler TJM
So..... I gotta ask... do you expect any resistance?

First of all, I didn't say that twice, and second of all, yes, I expect some, hence "little."
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| July 27, 2012, 4:49 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Today Operation: Mop-up was launched against the nation of Mauritania. The invasion was deemed necessary following the collapse of the government there. $$$Little resistance is expected$$$, and divisions made from other northern African holdings like Chad and Niger are being used. $$$ Little resistance is expected.$$$

Aside from this military action, wartime production has ended, and the economy taking a breather. Although the war was wonderful for our numerous defense industries, the civilian markets suffered accordingly due to the lack of attention. However, due to the lack of any sort of physical damage to factories or cities, a complete recovery to pre-war norms is expected to take just a month.

The military will, of course, lick its wounds in the meantime, although plans for post-recovery acquisitions will focus on restoring the size of the Air Force, while simultaneously increasing the Navy's expeditionary capability. This capability will be reflected in more troop transports and escorts, but not a complete shift in focus to this branch- rather the Air Force will remain our key service branch.

I highlighted it for you.
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| July 27, 2012, 4:54 pm
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Hacker: Master of the ninja edit.
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| July 27, 2012, 4:57 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Hacker: Master of the ninja edit.

Gotta do what you gotta do, especially when parents are bugging you about college >.>
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| July 27, 2012, 5:01 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
parents are bugging you about college >.>


Been there, done that.

Disregard shopping for new lamp, acquire PCU MOCs.
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| July 27, 2012, 5:49 pm
Well that was an interesting read...

From what I gathered, Henry actually handled that quite well. I agree with the suggestion to disallow Henry to CM for conflicts than involve Nick and Awe, because if other people still want him to mod for their conflicts, that should be their right, assuming Henry is willing too.

Also, while everyone's piling dirt on Nick for swearing and raging, I can see how Ultra really provoked a lot of that with his condescending comments, and being 10 years older than Nick one might expect more from him.
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| July 27, 2012, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick that original rant was the most disrespectful pile of manure that I have ever seen come out of the online lego community.


You've obviously never been the places I've been... that was actually pretty tame. But yeah, I'm having fun too, I'm glad someone else is enjoying the show.
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| July 27, 2012, 8:56 pm
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Today, in the Federation...

We've taken this time to actually start organizing our forces (and spending another 2+ hours on Military Today and Wikipedia to do what I should have done at the beginning of this group...) and get them into respectable unit standards. Sounds more official, at least. We'll have the revised unit organizations posted soon.

Incidentally, if you compare my stats page from what it was a two days ago, you'll notice it's swelled by almost 500,000 vehicles (mostly logistic vehicles, but a sizable amount of other stuff). I did not update any of the MOCs, it's all IRL stuff that I just didn't see earlier. Numbers are straight off Wikipedia, and anyone wishing to challenge the numbers is more than welcome to do the 5 hours that it's taken me to find all this stuff...

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Disregard shopping for new lamp, acquire PCU MOCs.

Use a flashlight duct taped to a bent cloths hangar. Works like a charm.

Quoting Tyler TJM
If your so sure he's biased then just never have him CM your conflict. And don't get involved in a conflict if he's CMing and if you get attacked while and he's the CM then just ask for a new

Heaven, have mercy. I think we actually agree on something. Actually, it's exactly what I've been saying from the beginning of this.

Alright, so I got heated about things. But between repeating myself, trying to cut through blather, it's gotten ridiculous. Really the only reason I brought up Ham was to 'Impeach' Nick as a credible witness, as happens all the time in court (I saw it on the Perry Mason show), by showing everyone that he's done exactly what he's accused me of doing, and standing by as a CM clearly biased toward him did much worse than what he accuses Henry of doing; up to and including sharing privileged info. What Henry said, no logic in this place, though.

You're absolutely right, there is nothing that this is going to change anything, and my ships are never going to be necromanced back from the depths of the sea either.

As Nick himself says: "It's a game, why you heff to be mad?" Especially about something that happened over a year ago. Not only is he mad, he's going a step further for revenge. Get over it, move on. At least I keep my dislike for Ham to occasional snide remarks and sarcastic anecdotes. But, I think Ham's case-file is perfect for what I believe should be the 'vote': if you don't want him, don't engage him.

We often run short of CMs as it is. We NEED every capable CM that we have.

There, that was calm enough...
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| July 28, 2012, 12:13 am
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I've said this several times, but I think something good did come of this:

1: It turns out Henry wasn't responsible for my boats, it was actually Erik. We're cool on that front now, it's all cleared up. One ghost put to rest.

2: With a ghost put to rest, I can finally let go of the past. Hopefully Nick can too, after this. Doubtful, but without hope, what is there?

Gotta extinguish the old flames, bros, or else this happens.

Besides, I haven't had this much fun stirring things up since that time Spaztastic finally snapped in regards to me in 23rd Century. Glorious flames.

Back in the Union: We're definitely not doing anything suspicious like building new missiles.
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| July 28, 2012, 12:45 am
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I think I've got more to be worried about than you when it comes to respect, Tom. Nick's been looked down on for a while now, he's got nothing left to lose.
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| July 28, 2012, 1:12 am
Today in Arabia...

...sand..... everywhere.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:59 am
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I am very pleased on how this issue was resolved with speed, respect (for both Nick and myself), and class. I wish that all parties are happy and satisfied with the conclusion of this investigation, and I hope that in the future we will not have to deal with issues like these. Personally, I feel that justice was served and I hope that Nick feels that way as well. I really wish in the future for the parties involved to not hold grudges or unnecessary animosity towards each other, and for everyone to respect one another.

However, I am saddened that Nick would use such vulgar language to express his beliefs. I hope in the future we can avoid cursing at each other and we can interact in a respectful manner with class. Clearly in this case, there was no class in his argument. I am completely fine with criticism, but it upsets me when I am being called the derogatory terms that Nick used. I hope that in the future people in this group will act with some sort of class and respect when addressing each other.
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| July 28, 2012, 2:00 pm
I agree, Henry. Class is the best way to solve an issue, and I am glad that this issue was resolved at last. The outcome of it is pleasing to both parties, and in my mind is the best possible solution. Cheers.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the FC Dallas game.
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| July 28, 2012, 6:07 pm
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See people? Sometimes, shock tactics are most effective. Without it, this would have gone unnoticed, and the anger would simmer. What's done is done now, let's move on.

No kumbaya circle though.
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| July 28, 2012, 6:38 pm
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I got Ian over here in Portland today, he made this nice little tally of Allied combat losses we decided should be known:

Baltics: 365,969
Russians: 60,000
Communist losses (I never specified): 211,000
African: 65,402

Total: 702,371 combat losses

Axis losses could be higher. What a devastating war, eh?
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| July 28, 2012, 7:20 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
See people? Sometimes, shock tactics are most effective. Without it, this would have gone unnoticed, and the anger would simmer. What's done is done now, let's move on.

No kumbaya circle though.

Next time I have an issue I'll go to 4chan for inspiration, thanks for letting us know that it is apparently perfectly acceptable.
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| July 28, 2012, 8:40 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I got Ian over here in Portland today, he made this nice little tally of Allied combat losses we decided should be known:

Baltics: 365,969
Russians: 60,000
Communist losses (I never specified): 211,000
African: 65,402

Total: 702,371 combat losses

Axis losses could be higher. What a devastating war, eh?

Ian's actually with you at your house? Cool
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| July 28, 2012, 9:10 pm
Quoting Matt Hacker
Next time I have an issue I'll go to 4chan for inspiration, thanks for letting us know that it is apparently perfectly acceptable.

So mad.
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| July 28, 2012, 10:28 pm
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Quoting Danny Morgan
Ian's actually with you at your house? Cool


It was pretty cool. Got a new emblem for the Union, or at least the beginnings of one.

And yeah, Hacker be mad.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:05 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great And yeah, Hacker be mad.

Not mad, rather just sadly surprised that you endorse and helped brainstorm it.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:37 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Not mad, rather just sadly surprised that you endorse and helped brainstorm it.


Sometimes even I surprise myself. Though I'm rather proud of how much a commotion Nick managed to stir up here.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:41 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great proud

- Respect
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| July 28, 2012, 11:43 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
- Respect


As if I haven't done unrespectable things before, and as if I have anything else to lose here. Awe carries on, as always.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:48 pm
More pew pew, less QQ hacker. Seriously.
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| July 28, 2012, 11:50 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
More pew pew, less QQ hacker. Seriously.

Says the man with no capacity to pew pew.
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| July 29, 2012, 12:05 am
Just as a heads up, I haven't forgotten about the CR, combatants. I'm working on it, but there's quite a few fronts in this one and I have a habit of including usually irrelevant detail so you can follow my thought processes. Unless I leave the house again (like I did these past couple of days), it should be up this 29 July. I'll see about bugging Evan to include a map of the frontlines so y'all know where you stand before you mention bits I might've missed. If the big picture seems to match up with the logic in the CR, I hope we can move on without nitpicking (not meaning to offend any involved party but I know there are instances of irresolvable banter) about a single bullet I might have overlooked but had no relevance to the major happenings. Hope you can dig that.
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| July 29, 2012, 2:12 am
In New Zealand...

Water water everywhere, mes hombres.
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| July 29, 2012, 7:56 am
Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
I hope we can move on without nitpicking (not meaning to offend any involved party but I know there are instances of irresolvable banter) about a single bullet I might have overlooked but had no relevance to the major happenings. Hope you can dig that.

LMAO.
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| July 29, 2012, 10:00 am
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
about a single bullet I might have overlooked but had no relevance to the major happenings.

NO. Every. Bullet. Must. Strike. Home...

I jest, of course.
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| July 29, 2012, 2:45 pm
 Group admin 
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/334942

After you've scrubbed all the Jays in the Union, then we can talk about mercy!
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| July 29, 2012, 3:58 pm
Going to have to break the CR up into two parts. Half of it will go up after this post (it's ten pages on Word) and I'll edit in the second half sometime later tonight or tomorrow.

Also, don't send me FMs saying I missed anything quite just yet. There's a reason somethings don't appear and it'll be clarified after I add the summary in the second half. Just read and digest.

EDIT:
Needs moderation. Dunno if it went to y'all though.
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| July 29, 2012, 9:30 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

Needs moderation. Dunno if it went to y'all though.


Stand back, I got this.
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| July 29, 2012, 9:46 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Stand back, I got this.

Appreciate it. Thanks, bro.

EDIT: Need you to do it again, Awe. MP messed up my organization and made the CR near impossible to read. Sorry to be *that* guy.
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| July 29, 2012, 9:47 pm
 Group admin 
Bad Guy Brooks:
Faces down the might of Communist America alone,
Can't handle 40 minutes of Amnesia: The Dark Descent.

That's what I learned tonight, group. Moo-chain-monster guy is ten times scarier than Evan and Hacker's Sparvs ever will be.
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| July 30, 2012, 1:23 am
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Funny, Arabian ABM systems work so much better than Russian ones do even though we've been at this for decades longer...
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| July 30, 2012, 2:08 am
Quoting Ultramarine .
Funny, Arabian ABM systems work so much better than Russian ones do even though we've been at this for decades longer...

Fresh imports all over da place, man. If it becomes too much of an issue I can look into adjusting the numbers after the second half of the CR.
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| July 30, 2012, 2:15 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Do yourself a favor and play Slender.
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| July 30, 2012, 2:15 am
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Quoting Matt Hacker
Do yourself a favor and play Slender.


Time to pull a RA-CAS-UEN era Cliffe.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/profiles/icons/big/000/127/549/nope.gif
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| July 30, 2012, 2:42 am
I read the CR, but its next to impossible to tell what went on without re-arranging the order yourself. Silly mocpages.

Oh and yeah slender play that crap at night with like a Halloween sound track on and you may just find you peed yourself.
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| July 30, 2012, 9:13 am
Anybody got a clue where Ian disappeared to?
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| July 30, 2012, 2:25 pm
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Quoting Connor Mulders
Anybody got a clue where Ian disappeared to?


Ian's making his way back to Canada right now. It's a long drive to Edmonton from Portland, almost as long as the Portland-Salt Lake City drive (never again). Team Fascism will be complete again soon.
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| July 30, 2012, 2:29 pm
Got hit with a massive fever last night, I'm still semi-delusional right now. It's most ann&ying as this is the day I normally work the most hours, so there goes about 150$. On the bright side I may use this time to actually build something decent.
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| July 30, 2012, 5:03 pm
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Today, in the Federation...

With the dawn of the Second Great Patriotic War, the reserves have been mobilized, and several volunteer units are being raised for combat. In fact, two more armored brigades were raised, two more mechanized brigades, and one light infantry division, with equipment to match for all three.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Fresh imports all over da place, man. If it becomes too much of an issue I can look into adjusting the numbers after the second half of the CR.

...

Mine are MOCs. How much newer can you get than that? Well, ok, 2 out of the 4 stages of my highly redundant ABM system is MOCs, the other 2 stages are IRL. Let's just say by percentages, all mine ought to have made it through. That and I used real, existing weapons unlike my opponent who used weapons that haven't been developed and plain don't exist.

Sorry, just venting. Wasn't you.
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| July 30, 2012, 9:25 pm
pls hurry.
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| August 1, 2012, 1:06 am
 Group admin 
erik pls
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| August 1, 2012, 1:25 am
 Group admin 
With sugar on top!
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| August 1, 2012, 1:30 am
I got Israel and the naval aspect of the CR done. Can post now and finish the last bit as part three. Have had a rather bad connection today thanks to thunderstorms.
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| August 1, 2012, 1:32 am
There you go, dudes. High-value casualties are pretty high naval-wise, but both sides had a pretty comprehensive attack plan. I'll get the final part up when I can load a tab in under half an hour. And again there will be a map to show where you guys stand as well as a summary and some housekeeping notes.
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| August 1, 2012, 1:39 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Die.


actualy is dolan
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| August 1, 2012, 2:05 am
Quoting Evan Melick
Die.

What is dead can never die.
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| August 1, 2012, 2:21 am
Wow so much pew-pew. This is fun.
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| August 1, 2012, 9:54 am
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In China, not much is going on. The forces who had fought valiantly in the Great European war are returning home. Most units are being sent to Bangladesh and Tibet to baby-sit the border with India. We will also be sending numerous Korean reserve units to support the border watch.

Our western fleet is also being reinforced with a new carrier and a Korean carrier. This change in the rosters will make that fleet have 4 CBGs to assert dominance at sea.

In the south, Hawaii is being reinforced with numerous marine and amphibious assault forces to defend our interests in the south. Along with the increase in number of marines more subs are being sent down south.

On the Philippines, our forces there are being consolidated to have a standing force of around 500,000 with 400,000 reserves to defend the islands.

Production of newly obtained Russian ABM satellites has begun. Hopefully with a layered system of sea, air, space, and land based ABM our territory will be secure from missiles targetted at us.

Finally we will be increasing the number of forces stationed in Pakistan. Now, numerous hardened Korean armored forces are making the trip into Pakistan. Hopefully a force of around 3,000,000 troops with reserves will remind our neighbors that we mean business.

In non-military news, a group of investors have made a large sum of money trading in the markets. Their current net-worth is around 3 billion USD, but their future intentions are currently unknown. What is known is that they have had a history of corporate raiding.
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| August 1, 2012, 12:53 pm
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After being witness to the great success of our communist enemy's hypersonic missiles, it was decided some time ago that the Union would need to invest in it's own. Today, the first tests were made off the coast of Ecuador.

The missile went 2000 feet and exploded.

We're gonna keep trying, though. The Union never quits!
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| August 1, 2012, 2:35 pm
I will be in Kansas for he next week or so. Awe will be watching my country until I get back.
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| August 1, 2012, 5:13 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
The missile went 2000 feet and exploded.


http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5532-4534645875687693.png

Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great We're gonna keep trying, though. The Union never quits!


http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5284-F72Wy.gif
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| August 1, 2012, 6:26 pm
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Quoting Connor Mulders


Srs bro, the MOC exploded in my hands.

My face when. http://i.imgur.com/Opv98.gif
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| August 1, 2012, 6:42 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Srs bro, the MOC exploded in my hands.

My face when. http://i.imgur.com/Opv98.gif


http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw3539-1331408010099.jpg

After viewing the previous gif, plz view: http://scranton.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5177-rarity-worryaboutyou.png

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| August 1, 2012, 7:09 pm
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http://i.imgur.com/Mr5I7.gif

Quoting Connor Mulders
After viewing the previous gif, plz view: http://scranton.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5177-rarity-worryaboutyou.png


http://i.imgur.com/zB6d6.jpg

Awe endures, no matter how many MOCs explode in his hands.

The Union will have its missile.
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| August 1, 2012, 7:30 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Awe endures, no matter how many MOCs explode in his hands.

The Union will have its missile.


'cause if not, it would be...

http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw934_4ujP4.gif

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| August 1, 2012, 8:35 pm
So yeah, all packed and ready for Brickfair... see a few of you there.
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| August 1, 2012, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Matt Hacker
So yeah, all packed and ready for Brickfair... see a few of you there.


If you see Evan, tell him he's a wretched communist for me.

It'd help if you threw some pictures of Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon at him, too.

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| August 1, 2012, 9:23 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Hah. We'll be toasting your defeat at IHOP in only a few short hours.


We'll burn your picture and fire assault rifles into the air.

By we I mean me.

By me I mean no one at all, because I'm going to have a heat stroke this weekend. I hate summer.
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| August 1, 2012, 11:46 pm
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Well, that actually was fun, and I think it went well for me pretty much. We'll see. After all, I'm Russia, men can be replaced. Machines are just a little harder...
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| August 2, 2012, 1:26 am
James Brooks and Nick Shelton are practicing fuzzy math. That is all.
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| August 2, 2012, 1:29 am
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The richest of Unionmen won't pay any taxes at all, while the poorest of citizens must be responsible!

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| August 2, 2012, 1:43 am
Quoting henry wang
Production of newly obtained Russian ABM satellites has begun.

Lol, space weaponry was outright banned for at least 2 groups. Munitions may be used on satellites for the sole purpose of acting as countermeasures against anti satellite missiles to defend itself.
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| August 2, 2012, 5:13 am
Well I'm flying off to Virginia tomorrow for Brickfair. Probably gonna meet Matt and Evan and the rest of the crew. Won't be back till Tuesday, busy Wednesday. Ugh why did I ever agree to play Violin again? I guess that's what happen when you play a dying art. Then I have to get ready for school. Sorry ultra I dont see me having time to write orders but I'll try.
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| August 2, 2012, 8:34 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
By me I mean no one at all, because I'm going to have a heat stroke this weekend. I hate summer.

That makes two of us. >.>

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| August 2, 2012, 9:24 am
Quoting Danny Morgan
Lol, space weaponry was outright banned for at least 2 groups. Munitions may be used on satellites for the sole purpose of acting as countermeasures against anti satellite missiles to defend itself.


I just thought I'd grab Tom's words direct from the group rules to help this point along.

"c. No orbital drop ships, and no satellites that can drop stuff from space. Basically: NO WEAPONS IN SPACE. Only observation satellites can go into space."

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| August 2, 2012, 12:07 pm
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The former King of France made fun of the Fringilla destroyers while he was in Lima. Chairman Wilson was so sad that he started drawing up new designs right away! Of course, the actual first thing he did was get a Hansa engineer drunk and steal some Austrian tech secrets.

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| August 2, 2012, 1:20 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
The former King of France made fun of the Fringilla destroyers while he was in Lima. Chairman Wilson was so sad that he started drawing up new designs right away! Of course, the actual first thing he did was get a Hansa engineer drunk and steal some Austrian tech secrets.

Gentlemen, I give you Awe, Discord's persona incarnate on this earth...
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| August 2, 2012, 5:50 pm
Final part of the CR is up. Overall, CR II for the Russo-Arab War stands at 30 pages on Word and just shy of 11 000 words. That's 5 000 more than what I wrote for my IB Extended Essay. I feel accomplished.

Anyhow, onto housekeeping notes and CM-related concerns. These are all things that have been discovered by both combatants and non-combatants before the first CR was published, so publicly discussing them shouldn't be an ethical concern. I just want to make sure everyone is aware of the situation's status and future likelihoods.

I would like to namely point out the fact that economically the Federation and Islamic superstate are in a bind. I'm assuming by now you two have somehow kind of swapped into a command economy, but the age of consumerism is likely not to die for some time. Consumer confidence in oil exports is likely to decline, removing a great portion of demand as prices sky-rocket due to issues of ship security and transportation through contested waters despite international accords to keep the seas free. So, you know, the ME isn't making much bank right now but it's managing to mobilize millions of men and thousands of vehicles every CR . . . Keep it tight Tyler if you want to stay in the fight. I assume the Federation has a certain group of foreign creditors off in Asia and has many more resources to bank off of (thanks Central Asia) so I want go into belittling it too much. Just keep in mind the scale of this war, dudes, and the fact one of you is just coming out of another one.

Secondly, Tyler, I dunno about Dragons being launched from the deck of a supercarrier. I understand Evan designed his class of ships to be big, but the wingspan of your bird is also big. Just keep that in mind.

Thirdly, the insurgencies might have some legal issues in this group. If either side feels that I'm violating some control aspect of their nation, or if the Administration feels that way as well, I will cease to report on them. However, I feel like these events would naturally occur in a war like this and I'm merely going off of patterns seen in the real world at the present time.

Lastly, I would like to point out that both sides are mobilizing through very rough terrain. The Arabs mostly are fighting an honest up-hill battle as they mobilize through one the most rigid and mountainous areas on the globe and any further gains aside from the initial blitz will be hard-won martially and logistically. Fair warning, methinks.
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| August 2, 2012, 6:13 pm
Onto FREE news, Iberian received 30 000 active personnel over the course of the past two days. These men and women make up two standard infantry divisions meant to act in fast action to shore up defenses along our coasts. A mechanized division of 15 000 was also indoctrinated by Moldova, concluding their military build-up as their financial situation allows for little funding. Our increase in combative persons now stands at a desired 143 000 of the original 200 000 ordered for service.

Also, a contract has been opened to upgrade all BM-21 systems presently held in reserve service. The upgrade kit calls to up-armor the carrier vehicles and implement more off-the-shelf comms to network the artillery batteries as a whole. Furthermore, the 122mm rocket tubes are being traded out with 240mm ones meant to carry more smart munitions rather than simply operating with FFE action in mind. This upgrade is being developed with oversight from Lockheed Martin and their creditors wanting in on the markets of nations with less than stellar defense budgeting and those which operate aging Soviet armaments.
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| August 2, 2012, 9:08 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Final part of the CR is up. Overall, CR II for the Russo-Arab War stands at 30 pages on Word and just shy of 11 000 words.

That blows anything I've done CM-wise out of the water, my hat is off to you sir. I'd look back at my career on the American war, but unfortunately I cut the CR out of my document to paste it in the CR thread. Oh, well.

At least I can say I had you beat in the number of participants, sitting at 8. Thank goodness I usually only had to deal with 5 sets of orders because of forgetfulness, ragequits, and the fact that they weren't all involved at once. I have you in square mileage too, it was fun modding a war that eclipsed half the globe. But, we'll swap CM scar-stories another time, on to business: when are orders due?
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| August 2, 2012, 10:56 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
But, we'll swap CM scar-stories another time, on to business: when are orders due?

Whenever you can get 'em to me.
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| August 2, 2012, 11:08 pm
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Quoting Connor Mulders
Gentlemen, I give you Awe, Discord's persona incarnate on this earth...


http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu54/A_Friendly_Dispenser/Animated/TV%20Shows/Star%20Trek/StarTrek-DejaQ.gif

Not only did Chairman Wilson produce a working ship design, not a destroyer but a battlefrigate (somewhere between frigate and cruiser), but he also made the first OAAE-designed submarine of the Union.
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| August 2, 2012, 11:22 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
Whenever you can get 'em to me.

Awesome, and I've sent you an FM for your consultation when you have a minute.
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| August 3, 2012, 12:14 am
Quoting Tom Neumo
Oh dear, that's a mistake on my part. When I wrote that, I wasn't even thinking about ABM Sats, which are perfectly legitimate.

I don't mean to pursue a lost cause, but I'm personally very ann&yed that I only just learnt this, thinking differently for the whole group. At one point I even told a potential ally that they couldn't use ABM satellites when he claimed that in the ICF, and Awe backed me, as he also did when Ultra used ABM sats in the Battle of Britain. No one challenged it so I assumed it had always been a rule of these groups. I may have lasted much longer against Evan's missile attacks if I'd known I could have used space BMDs in addition to my ground based units. This feels like another radiation ban case- ignore it when it happens to suit you, but speak up when it doesn't.

I don't expect a reply to this, I just wanted to get that off my chest before I really resent you for it later.
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| August 3, 2012, 5:32 am
The President of New Zealand would like to give himself a big happy birthday wish. Parties will be held in all embassies. There will be cake.
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| August 3, 2012, 10:22 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Cheers from Brickfair. Enjoy the pictures on my photostream. :)


Look at him, smiling innocently, luring in unsuspecting people to his communist trap... With his microscale models and... stuff... This is how he gets in your head. He's insidious!

Quoting Connor Mulders
The President of New Zealand would like to give himself a big happy birthday wish. Parties will be held in all embassies. There will be cake.


The Union sends a box edition of all My Little Pony seasons.
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| August 3, 2012, 2:00 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
So, I heard that Ultra annexed four countries without ever mentioning it in the ICF, and then invaded someone through them, and then one/more of the admins are totally OK with this, and in fact blocking a certain members' attempts to protest it?


Oh lawdy, now Tyler's complaining to everyone. I gave Ultra permission to annex those countries when Valk went inactive, that's completely allowed. Ultra never announced it I guess, but then again, people forget to announce things all the time, it's never been a big deal before.

As a forgetful person, I'm inclined to let it go, I know that feel. No one's blocking Tyler from doing anything, and the very notion that someone is... Well, crazy things have happened recently, but we're not THAT crazy.

Are we?
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| August 3, 2012, 3:10 pm
I'VE POSTED 4 COMMENTS AND NONE WILL GO THROUGH !
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| August 3, 2012, 3:32 pm
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Quoting Tyler TJM
I'VE POSTED 4 COMMENTS AND NONE WILL GO THROUGH !


Maybe you should watch your language more closely. These comments have all gone to Sean, because they're not in my box. And if they're not in mine, they're not in Ultra's or Tom's.
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| August 3, 2012, 3:36 pm
Erik should be posting his views here eventually >.>.

Edit to Awe: I didn't say any profanity what so ever do idk what's going on.
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| August 3, 2012, 3:45 pm
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Quoting Tyler TJM
Erik should be posting his views here eventually >.>.

Edit to Awe: I didn't say any profanity what so ever do idk what's going on.


MOCpages has a very strange filter. There's a certain East European river that goes through the upper Balkans it doesn't like, for example. We still don't know what the system is.
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| August 3, 2012, 3:51 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

MOCpages has a very strange filter. There's a certain East European river that goes through the upper Balkans it doesn't like, for example. We still don't know what the system is.

I looked over my comment I screen capped and the worst word I said was "R-u-b-b-I-s-h" (<-- did that so it doesn't eat this comment). I dunno, I'm not gonna respond to your FM Tom I'm going to let Erik post his views seeing as we are at odds ends and we aren't going to agree.
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| August 3, 2012, 4:04 pm
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Alright, cool. Calm time is over people, back to havoc.
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| August 3, 2012, 4:06 pm
Hoping to have this matter settled outside of the ICF for the sake of reducing spam and repetitiveness. I'll let Ultra defend himself in a public post here before I usher in my views that way the concerned parties (I suppose Tyler wasn't able to do that comprehensively considering the whole moderation thing, but we all know where he stands) were both able to defend themselves before the position of power stamps the matter as okay or not.
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| August 3, 2012, 4:16 pm
Quoting Tom Neumo
I really am sorry if you feel cheated because of that. The only thing I can tell you is it should have been mentioned sooner. Then, I would have been able to remedy it sooner.

Ok, thank you, I appreciate that. Like I said I didn't even expect a response, I just wanted to get that off me.

About the "nuclear explosions" though, they really weren't nuclear explosions at all, which one would consider being the act of fissionable material being compressed until it reaches critical mass, followed by an apocalyptic blast. This didn't happen here. Have you heard of dirty bombs? A bomb that uses explosives to spread around nuclear waste to contaminate large areas and make people sick, well that's what I turned every power plant in Britain into, not nuclear explosions. This is just for the sake of debating, I'm not trying to achieve anything here.
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| August 3, 2012, 8:00 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
Wow. If true, that is the most hilariously ----- thing I have yet seen here.

mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73480#comment-841946
mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73480#comment-845656
mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73480#comment-847059
mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73480#comment-848240
mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=18338&topicid=73480#comment-851804

I didn't post it, eh? I just picked up where I left off when I stepped back to let Val in. Of course I couldn't say it in the ICF, could I? That would have ruined my whole surprise after all.

Not only that, I informed four people of this before I did it. They are: Awe, Tom, Cole, and Erik. Not one of them mentioned anything about having to post it, or questioned its legitimacy once I provided the above evidence.

Quoting Dr. Spontaneous

Incidentally, did I say something wrong in my FM? I truly didn't mean to if I did.
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| August 3, 2012, 10:24 pm
Quoting Ultramarine .
Incidentally, did I say something wrong in my FM? I truly didn't mean to if I did.

Hmm? Not that I recall. Just trying to get this whole annexation business handled so I know whether or not the Iranian business needs to be scratched out of the CR. I'll reply to your most recent FM shortly.
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| August 3, 2012, 10:50 pm
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Today, in the Federation...

With controversy swirling around this most recent territorial acquisition, the Federation nonetheless welcomes the nations of the CIS into the fold. The Afghans will be a problem, but already generals, colonels, and on down the line are being paid off to deal with the men under them by fair means or foul in order to retain discipline. This may entail, though we're not entirely sure, the murder of the families involved with the terrorist activities.

As for Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, let's just say that their military/civil budgets have gotten a good bit of money in their coffers, and certain dispatches sent to the Federation embassy by the Arabians have apparently made their way into the hands of their governments. Hopefully, that will enlighten them to a few things. Federation commissars (not the kind that kill soldiers) will be sent to their frontlines to indoctrinate the soldiers the same way conscripts were indoctrinated in the Great Patriotic War, to participate with fervent devotion to the cause. Logistics help is on the way in dividends too.

What goes around, comes around. It's about time the Arabians had the war on their territory, not ours.
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| August 5, 2012, 12:13 am
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In the Union, work continues on the prototypes of the New Navy, while the aeronautics and ground engineering departments spend time getting drunk and playing games waiting for their slice of funding to come around.
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| August 5, 2012, 2:05 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
In the Union, work continues on the prototypes of the New Navy, while the aeronautics and ground engineering departments spend time getting drunk and playing games waiting for their slice of funding to come around.

Ah, the joys of being an engineer; not doing jack all day.
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| August 5, 2012, 9:25 am
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Quoting Evan Melick
Just to let everyone know, Matt's F/A-53 was just awarded Best Aircraft at BrickFair 2012, so it's officially invincible from now on.


My reaction:
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/321/894/5ef.gif

Bring me Hacker! HACKER! HACKER! HACKER! HACKER!
/slams fist on table multiple times
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| August 5, 2012, 2:36 pm
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Oh, I forgot to mention that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan have chosen a collaborative design for a mass-produced close air support/counter insurgency aircraft, the Su-10S: http://mocpages.com/moc.php/214678

Quoting Evan Melick
Just to let everyone know, Matt's F/A-53 was just awarded Best Aircraft at BrickFair 2012, so it's officially invincible from now on.

Good heavens, we're all dead. Off to Bricklink, quick as you can!!!
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| August 5, 2012, 3:11 pm
Oh yes ultra because annexing 5 nations overnight without anyone knowing is completely legitimate.
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| August 5, 2012, 3:48 pm
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Quoting Tyler TJM
Oh yes ultra because annexing 5 nations overnight without anyone knowing is completely legitimate.

Wrong, Val only had three countries. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan were both annexed by John before Val got here. That was shortly before I started my talks with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. I am not at fault for the fact that they didn't show up on Evan's map. However, Evan has claimed in our conversations that I have been in possession of the other two nations since the fall of John's nation by consequence of John's annihilation; thus assenting to the fact that they were part of John's nation, not Val's. I could find the proof, but I think I'll let you occupy your time doing that.

No one knew, eh? Everyone that needed to knew about it beforehand. Plus a couple of extra people in side conversations. If ONE of them had told me I had to post it, I would have. But seeing how I had such a long history of annexing those nations, I do not see a problem with picking it back up. If you have a complaint, file it with the other admins, because it just ain't my fault, boy.

It's ironic how you're willing to strike people where and when they're weakest, but you don't take kindly to that in return. "It's all fun and games until you start losing." Face it, you're just mad because your perfect little plan is now suffering some significant and unanticipated setbacks. Well, get ready, because it's about to suffer a great deal more of them.
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| August 5, 2012, 5:26 pm
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Governor Brooks and the Senate send their congratulations back in time to the team that put the rover Curiosity in Mars. Impressive work.
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| August 6, 2012, 1:29 am
Quoting Ultramarine .

Oh really so just because you told an admin you no longer have to say a word to the world? If North Korea let in South Korea do you not think the entire world would know? I don't care if Valk let you in you still would have had to annex the countries and announce it like everyone else. Just because he let you in doesn't mean that overnight everything is just fine. The move is very unfair that you can now suddenly magic annex nations and no one will know eh? Besides your only "legitimacy" is the admins let me and I told the the CM! Well the only reason the CM's cleared its because Tom said it was all fine and dandy. Now you're saying I'm just complaining! Well yes I am because you have used an unfair method of using the administration to accomplish a goal. So go ahead continue saying "I'm just complaining" but I have a very good reason for it and will continue to.
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| August 6, 2012, 9:13 am
Just wanted to say that I'm back.
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| August 6, 2012, 11:54 am
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OAAE has run into some troubles with their next ship design. Mainly that it consumes tiles like a King Tiger consumes gasoline, and we have more deck space to work with than we ever had before with a ship.

Quoting Matt Hacker
Just wanted to say that I'm back.


I hope you gave Evan my message, even though he can see it clear as day here.
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| August 6, 2012, 1:38 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
...a very underhanded tactic, and frankly just silly.

Like being attacked when you're 'weak' and by someone you trusted? All is fair in love and war, you know.

Quoting Evan Melick
But whatever. This group seems to have all of a sudden just dropped the space weapons rule we have had from the beginning, so it seems precedent has no say here.

It's not sudden, for crying out loud, I've only been using these satellites since early D&L...You'd have thought someone would have noticed before now, considering I only mention them every other week.

Quoting Tyler TJM
Well yes I am because you have used an unfair method of using the administration to accomplish a goal.

Unfair, hm.

It's become apparent to me that you choose to disregard the long list of comments I provided, and a link to a map CLEARLY showing my annexation stripes, as proof of my previous actions. Why is that?

If I was ignorant of something, by all means enlighten me to the facts. My contention was, and still is, that if I had been made aware of the requirement to RE-post my annexation of the territories in question, then I would have by all means done so. I did not use some backdoor method to circumvent clear rules. In fact, I don't see that in the rules anywhere. My point is that I was ignorant of the requirement, if there is in fact one, and did not intend to violate any of the group's rules in a malicious fashion.

I have known other members to 'court' countries only to give up on them and then months later get around to finally claiming them. Why is this any different? It wasn't until about a month after the whole Japanese treaty had been worked out that I figured I should get around to actually claiming it. You know, this probably wouldn't even be an issue if I'd posted it just after orders were due, would it? I would have, if I'd had a good idea that there was a cut-off time. Some CM's do that, others don't.

Recap:
1) I told who I thought needed to know.
2) I was not told I had to post it.
3) I would have posted it if I was made aware of such a requirement.
4) I did not knowingly circumvent group rules by doing what I did.

Maybe I kinda figured two people making the rules would have an idea of whether or not someone was breaking them, you know?
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| August 6, 2012, 9:57 pm
What is this? Ultra complaining about people ignoring facts?

lawdy lawdy.
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| August 6, 2012, 10:28 pm
Oh boy, here we go again...

In New Zealand...

Photos have been leaked of NZ's new ballistic missile submarine undergoing dry dock testing in Christchurch. The sub, built by the Singaporeans, is expected to be ready for combat deployment within a week.

Special forces indictment has been stepped up, along with recruitment amongst the influx of Asian asylum seeker, with ranks now number around 10,000, consisting of the NZSAS, NZSBS and paratroopers.

The M5 Adder was suddenly and unexpectedly retired from combat service, causing light tank crews to group into an uproar. Several representatives were handpicked to be shown behind the scenes work on the new vehicle, and their reaction was immediate, the disturbance quelled and the public once again mystified.

Also, strange sighting have been reported off the coast of several southern islands, of P8 Poseidon's or C-130's dropping what appear to be large drums, then banking away. There is much speculation as to what these are, but the government has announced that something "game-changing in naval warfare" is in development, and also for "the evil government of Arabia to watch it's back".
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| August 7, 2012, 3:15 pm
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenotsogreat/7735093006/in/photostream

BEHOLD! The greatest waste of money of all time!
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| August 7, 2012, 3:57 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Disregard Unionball. Acquire a Navy.


Unionball 3: Tyler vs. Ultra is in the works, actually.
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| August 7, 2012, 4:40 pm
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Quoting Tom Neumo
My memory has failed me. Assuming 'Hero Beginning' was either Unionball 1 or 2, which was the other?


Unionball 1: The Fascists arrive in South America
Unioball 2: Hero Beginning
Unionball 3: Arab vs. Rus
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| August 7, 2012, 4:51 pm
Quoting Evan Melick
I demand new comic. Now!


Seconded. NAAAAAOOOOO!!!!!

or

http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw6199-roflbot_18.jpeg

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| August 7, 2012, 6:26 pm
CR edits made. Sorry for the delayed posting; touchy connection like I said.

With that out of the way, orders are now welcomed fully. I'd prefer they were in to me by Saturday, but it'll depend on when Tyler gets back to his home and has time to settle down and write. We'll see. Also, the upcoming next two weeks will be a bit slow with CR business. College move-in and all.
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| August 7, 2012, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Evan Melick
I demand new comic. Now!


Soon, my sweet, soon...
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| August 7, 2012, 7:48 pm
Finalization of the FREE's UAV program is coming sooner rather than later. Expectations have it that the UCAV will be revealed within the week and the six demonstration and testing models will be pressed into active service. Again, the role of the UCAV is to loiter behind our limited stealth air fleet and act as a flying missile truck meant to carry long-range munitions and serve as a force multiplier. Additionally, it will serve in SEAD sorties performing the bomb taxi roll once more but with our integrated combat network, fewer piloted planes will be needed as the UCAV will be able to dump the appropriate munitions on targets while the manned birds zoom around and paint enemy systems.

Additionally, our upgrade to the BM-21 Grad is making headway. Rather than going with the 220mm tubes, they were scaled back down to a meager 130mm. The missiles fired will still remained guided and semi-guided to eliminate combat excess and reduce logistical fatigue. As to when the reveal shall come, no one is certain but it may be by next week with chassis already being upgraded and up-armored. The main time-consuming bit of fielding the newer platform will outfitting the truck beds with the completed firing system and rocket cells.
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| August 7, 2012, 9:18 pm
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Unionball 3: Rus vs. Arab!

http://i.imgur.com/r3sOp.png
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| August 7, 2012, 9:42 pm
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Quoting Dr. Spontaneous
CR edits made. Sorry for the delayed posting; touchy connection like I said.

Danke, sir.

Still bummed how the Arabian ABM systems are running laps around my MOC-ABM system, but such is life I suppose.

I'll have orders to you in the next couple days. Thanks!
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| August 7, 2012, 9:45 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Unionball 3: Rus vs. Arab!

http://i.imgur.com/r3sOp.png

FREE flag is best flag.
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| August 7, 2012, 9:51 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Unionball 3: Rus vs. Arab!

http://i.imgur.com/r3sOp.png

/buddy icon
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| August 7, 2012, 10:37 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Unionball 3: Rus vs. Arab!

http://i.imgur.com/r3sOp.png

Good job Awe. Behind the sunglasses, I was in fact watching everything. The Republic sees all.
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| August 7, 2012, 11:03 pm
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Awe acquires more and more success with each art... comic 4 must be made.

In case you were wondering, the four others in the Union colors were the Navy, Army, Air Force, and OAAE.
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| August 8, 2012, 12:26 am
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Quoting Tom Neumo
Suddenly, out of nowhere...

Unionball 0! The prequel: The Great European War:


Technically, that'd be Shelton's WIP of 21st Century World, or as we call it, Our Finest Hour. Still, I'll take this.
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| August 8, 2012, 12:45 am
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Unionball 3: Rus vs. Arab!

http://i.imgur.com/r3sOp.png

"It's like watching two novelist write books at one another."

Genius.
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| August 8, 2012, 9:34 am
Quoting Connor Mulders
"It's like watching two novelist write books at one another."

Genius.

MY BOOK IS BETTER!
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| August 8, 2012, 11:06 am
OeK ball does not sleep. It only waits.

<.<
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| August 8, 2012, 4:47 pm
Mauritania, all your base are belong to us. A puppet government is being installed there, but little to no major reforms/ industrial advancements will commence. We just like the extra green on the map.

In other news, the end of the war had the desired effect- an intense period of nationalism, the heroic tales of a United Africa smiting the evil white folk in Europe, on their own soil no less, has greatly aided the unification process.

The economy is still a bit wobbly, but since the entire thing is geared for military spending and the military industrial complex, the war saw an uptick in orders and revenue across the board.
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| August 8, 2012, 5:09 pm
New ICF, pl0x?
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| August 8, 2012, 9:28 pm
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