Although I certainly would not be the best candidate, I would like to promote Memory's words as they are completely true. And just because someone isn't as great as building as others is not the basis for selection; how mature or responsible they are is. Permalink
Hah, everyone's going to apply for this, and I bet they will all claim to have some trait which obviously makes them a candidate.
Maybe instead of asking everyone if they want to be a mod, which is a surefire guarantee that they will leap to it, you should observe their behavior and see if they have the good personality, participation in the community, and sense of responsibility which would be necessary to be a mod. Then, you could approach them via email or something and ask them if they wanted the job. Resultantly, the mods would be more likely to fit the above traits, and thus be more deserving of the position.
As a rule of thumb, anyone who considers themselves mature and reliable and thinks everyone else should know is not a good moderator candidate; the ones who prove themselves mature and trustworthy by their actions are far better suited for the role, being less likely to go nuts, wiping threads and flailing around with a ban-hammer. Believe me, I have seen first hand what happens when a mod goes crazy: one forum was completely wiped clean and another lost its game modification sub-forum. I can tell the full stories to anyone who wants to know.
Reply to Weber up there: affirmed. Could not have said it better myself. Permalink
Quoting Areetsa C
As a rule of thumb, anyone who considers themselves mature and reliable and thinks everyone else should know is not a good moderator canditate; the ones who prove themselves mature and trustworthy by their actions are far better suited for the role, being less likely to go nuts, wiping threads and flailing around with a ban-hammer. Believe me, I have seen first hand what happens when a mod goes crazy: one forum was completely wiped clean and another lost its game modification sub-forum.
Oh, good, more words of truth. I nominate Areetsa and Memory.
Quoting Imperial Assassin Katana
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone. I'm prolly the least likely candidate for the job. I'm immature, I laugh when people say "pudding." No joke. And I have yet to reach puberty.
If they say 'pudding' while talking about the Georgia war, anyone would laugh.
Talking of your age is not a recommended online activity.
Age is not a requirement for maturity; I have seen people thirty years old who act less mature than thirteen year old kids. Ray, for instance, over on /pj/ is often a twit, and he has been there for some time... Permalink
Forget? The interwebs never forgets. Even if you delete everything you ever posted, someone, somewhere, will have a copy. Never forget: the internet remembers all, both bad and good, and the bad often tends to outweigh the good, so you have to be careful. If you post where you live, there will be a copy that will fall into the hands of the untrustworthy. If you post someone else's MOC, someone will know and never trust you again.
If you do something stupid, someone will spread the funny mistake you just made all over the internet.
If you post a video of yourself, someone will put it on Youtube.
The 'net is like an amoeba; it swallows old stuff and spits it out somewhere else as 'news'. Permalink
I consider myself a fair minded and neutral person. I like to provide information to those who seek it and to ensure that an environment of intelligent discourse exists. I also have the time to help. I have never moderated anything before, though, but if someone would fill me in on what I would have to do, I can volunteer as well. Permalink
The fact you 'consider' yourself able to moderate a group indicates the exact opposite: it shows you are self-centred and unreliable by your instant desire to seek out personal power and authority. You might say you are neutral, but the first insult would send you off the edge. Permalink
Quoting Sean Kenney
Is anyone interested in running or moderating this group? I created it as a "default" group for MOCpages, but don't really need to remain in the group myself.
Sean, I as a builder accept who u pick,but i would love 2! Imagen wat we can accomplish with this group. We can all create some kind of space fleet with our own army. Then we can help each other what we can do 2 improve them.This is the future of this group... Permalink
Quoting Areetsa C
The fact you 'consider' yourself able to moderate a group indicates the exact opposite: it shows you are egostatistical and unreliable by your instant desire to seek out personal power and authority. You might say you are neutral, but the first insult would send you off the edge.
What? Where are you getting this? I consider myself able to moderate a group, but it hardly follows that therefore I'm the type to go mad with power.
I get my cautious nature in such problems from the events of the devastating Hurricane Moot on Project Jenova and the ProjecktTHOR incident on the Datarealms Fan Forums. Both caused a great deal of damage, both because of moderators. On PJ a member named Moot pretended to be an admin and said the board was going down; the inhabitants fused all the threads into one big one and an un-named mod wiped it. The THOR event was a rogue mod: he got banned, went nuts, got back on with the pretence of checking his PMs and cleared the Mods And Scenes section. Thus, I believe that all moderators and administration staff should be chosen with the utmost of care, especially in forums ('groups', here) with controversial topics.
You may be a good moderator choice, but that one there is not. You have been around long enough for us to know you are responsible.
The one I was responding to is not, as he considers himself fair and neutral and supportive of intelligent discussion: this means he is an idealist, and if he was a mod and he didn't get his fair and kind group, he would try to start anew. He also states he has no prior experience, so what if he accidentally deletes the group?
I offered in good faith to help, that is all. It appears there are many volunteers here who are both good choices and better qualified than I, though, so I think we are likely in good hands here.
Areetsa, I am sorry that you have had problems with other forums and their moderators in the past, but there is no reason to jump to conclusions about people of whom you know nothing about. I hope that whatever anger/disappointment you feel fades, though, and we can move on to discuss the goodness that is Lego Space on friendly grounds. Permalink
I never had problems with the events; I did frequent both forums, but the wipes were probably an improvement. It's the way they came about that acts as an example. They could well have been much worse.
I am not classing you as in their league, but it pays to be careful. Young, for instance, has been here long enough to be recognized as trustworthy.
Don't forget, we're basically talking about godlike powers here, and whoever gets them has to be reasonable and not too quick to take offence and start slinging mud, because mudslinging with admins often ends up with someone getting banned, and it isn't usually the admin. Permalink
It is understandable to be wary of someone new to a community wanting to "grab power". While the execution might have been somewhat abrasive, such vigilance is commendable. I assume, though, there would be more than one moderator in order to provide a sort of check-and-balance system to prevent that sort of thing from happening, no? Permalink
The stance I am taking is that we should look carefully at those who immediately jump at the chance to hold the reins of power.
I am sorry if I am coming over as unreasonable; I am detailing the worst-case scenarios in my usual manner, and I feel that as there are a great number of unpleasant folk out there, it pays to be very, very careful. See, the trouble is, if this site becomes very popular, and this group gets wiped, it could be very hard to re-establish. The personal damage caused to the members might even force some of them to leave, which would not be good.
In my experience, people can react strangely to power. I don't think this fits most people in this thread, but anyone can become a troll, sometimes for very minor reasons. There are limits to the sort of thing anyone is willing to put up with, and moderators are always exposed to withering criticism. I think it would be better to expose the sort of people who cannot take it here, in this thread, than after they have banning power.
Also, moderators often do not work well together, with two conflicting points of view serving merely to turn a group or forum into a massive battleground. Idealists tend to turn violent when dissillusioned.
Also, to 'legobendy', ProjecktTHOR was part of a group of something like ten moderators, and that did not stop him flying off the handle. While the rest of the team managed to stop his rampage, the fact he was not filtered out during the search for a mod indicates that the amount of care needed is often extreme.
Anyway, sorry. 'Abrasive' is basically my personality in a nutshell. I'm just trying to be sure that whoever gets the job be slow to anger and with fairly low standards. Sometimes one must choose when to let it slide and when to stop it. The candidate who finds how to do that would be ideal. I am merely assuming the worst, and understand that I am probably wrong. Better to err on the side of caution, I think.
After all, I want the job as much as anyone would, but as a member I also want the best for the role. It is important to recognize ones flaws, and work around them.
Man I really need to become less verbose and make fewer abrupt subject changes. Permalink
It seems we agree on quite a bit. Perhaps Mr Kenney (or whoever takes over the group) can consider me a "reservist" - go with someone with more moderation experience and "street cred" (since I am new) but if we need someone further down the road, after I have proven myself a trustworthy member of the community, then my offer to help stands. Permalink
You know, I'm just gonna say that I adminster a Flickr Mech Group and I'm a mod in another one. I'd like to have have a seat of power in this new world, but since I almost destroyed it, I don't think that will happen eh? ;D ~LL Permalink
Quoting LegoBendy .
It seems we agree on quite a bit. Perhaps Mr Kenney (or whoever takes over the group) can consider me a "reservist" - go with someone with more moderation experience and "street cred" (since I am new) but if we need someone further down the road, after I have proven myself a trustworthy member of the community, then my offer to help stands.
You could say you have already passed my personal test by not flying into a rage and being able to spell semi-correctly.
Just so you know, Kenney is already smod.
This thread is here so we can pick the best for the job.
<joke>Then we can overthrow Sean's corrupt dictatorship and ruin everything with our puny democracy.
What? It worked for the french, didn't it?</joke> Permalink
Quoting LegoLord .
"I'd like to have have a seat of power in this new world, but since I almost destroyed it, I don't think that will happen eh? ~LL."
Why? What did you do, and do you have the time to share that information with us?
I for one am always interested in stories of armageddon averted, although I feel that doomsdays not-quite-stopped are more fun. Permalink
Mutiny implies I had a position of authority to abuse in the first place. This situation is more on the lines of piracy. See, mutiny is when your subordinates give you the boot, piracy is when someone else boards your ship and makes you walk the plank.
Jokes aside, good thing you aren't dead or incapacitated and are capable of checking up on the seeds of rebellion you planted. :D
Oh, and I have a question: what does the 'permalink' thing do? Permalink
No one has ever been able to put HTML into comments on MOCpages. The new MOCpages now automatically turns URLs into links ( example, http://www.mocpages.com ) which accounts for what you're talking about here. And it's is useful for linking to things that you don't / can't / might not write in your comments. Permalink
nice ship. in 1997 a girl called lauren was walking through the forest and then she just disappeared. No one ever found her until 2000 when a young girl called Mary found her body and markings on her chest saying: I wasnt' pretty enough and now that you have read this she will appear in your mirror saying you're not pretty enough and kill you. By the way the girl called mary<3 died shortly afterwards. To be saved, paste this to five other bands. This is true. Now that you have started reading this, please do not stop. This is so scary. Post this on 5 pages in 143 minutes. When you are done, press F6 and your crushes name will appear on the screen in big letters. This is scary because it actually works Permalink
Quoting Sean Kenney
No one has ever been able to put HTML into comments on MOCpages. The new MOCpages now automatically turns URLs into links ( example, http://www.mocpages.com ) which accounts for what you're talking about here. And it's is useful for linking to things that you don't / can't / might not write in your comments.
Cool Sean, question: Do URLs automaticlly turn into links when you are creating pages? ~LL Permalink
You know what, that doesn't matter. On to business.
My proposition is that there is a number, certainly odd, of moderators voted for every set period of time by group members.
These moderators would vote on subjects such as whether or not Star Wars creations should be included in the group. For example, if five voted that Star Wars creations should be deleted, then they would indeed be deleted.
For another example, in the recent case of Areetsa's accusations against Fed, the council could vote on who was the guilty party based on what evidence is arrayed.
New rules could be proposed by anyone in the entire group and the council would, once again, vote on whether or not they would be passed.
Basically what I am proposing is as opposed to what would be called a lenient monarchy that there be a republic.
Again, there would be elections every set period of time voting on what members should be moderators. There would probably be two elections, the first one selecting candidates - probably three times the number of moderators which would be the goal. The second election would choose 1/3 of the candidates to be moderators. Permalink
An election is too prone to being swayed by lies and propaganda. Let's have a dictatorship instead.
Anyway, with fed, I'm not accusing him at all, just fiddling with him, seeing how many hoops I can get him to jump through. I already got him to do the 'what? I didn't say that' one and the 'I'm a fake' one.
See, apparently he deleted his account, and then came back. But that means there is no proof he is the real fed, and thus, since by his own admission what he has is a new account, he really is not building himself a strong platform to stand on. Indeed, he is actively undermining it.
Truth be told, I don't care about him much, and when he stops responding, I'll stop posting. I really doubt he will halt, however. Too much chance of looking weak in front of his club.
Really, it'll probably stop when I get tired of it and go off to do something more fun than baiting the troll. Permalink
Very well, a part time troll.
Actually, a lot of things I post as clarifications are merely attempting to rationalize old posts; that one was, well.. I don't really know. What I do know is that the original was trying to glean a general opinion of fed's self-contradictory behavior. It was after he showed up that I sort of lost track of the point of the topic. I tend to do that sort of thing. Permalink
^^^^ getting OFF subject guys, Mr. Kenney? just choose who you think would be good, or someone you know...that you can trust.... and run with them, if it doesn't work out, then as it goes:
"Stuff happens." Permalink
I think this off-topic stuff should be taken out and put into a 'Moderation junk' topic.
However, Mr Memory doesn't like topic splitting or other public displays of admin power. Wait a moment, has anyone else noticed that Kelso seems to be the admin now? Permalink
Definitely a good choice! - they grow wild around where I live (blackberries, not pies).... I've made a few (pies this time), trying to improve my recipe each time. I also love making pumpkin pie from scratch too - it just isn't right unless you gut the pumpkin yourself! And as a bonus you get roasted pumpkin seeds. Permalink