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Ok so I know this topic kinda already exists, and it could fit in with other topics as well but due to the nature of my opinion, I decided to make a separate topic...

So anyways... I'm going to come out and say it, the Csek are retarded.

Let me back up really quick... first of all "retarded" is an exaggeration. the csek, in lego form, are really cool greebly creations, their name is also unique, yet simple, which is really good as well. HOWEVER, the dawn forge is comprised of massive mechs that have ungodly amounts of fire power, and you're telling me their strongest rival are these small, swift, primarily melee attacking ancient beings? lets be real...

I feel as if Brian was in the midst and height of the Dawn Forge creations when he came along the csek in some spare time, and because they looked evil and the DF needed an enemy, brian put the two together.

Like i said above, they are not realistic enemies. If the Csek were running around you would probably use hard suits and tanks (i know these exist in the dawn forge, the point is things like the FOUNDATION and ASCENSION are excluded) with rapid firepower to destroy them. Launching a 20 kg rod at 4 km a second is a bit overkill for something that small... and with the higher chance of missing (again due to agility and size) that could potentially be a HUGE waste of energy on the battlefield.

So do I have a better idea? the answer is no. Well not really. Even if I did I would have no right to say it deserves to be the primary rival of DF. Ultimately it is brian's decision, if he ever checks this group again, but i think this group and theme could benefit from a more realistic adversary and give people something else to build on a larger scale other than the bulky, dark bley style that we know and love.

So here is ONE suggestion that popped into my head the other day. For those of you who have played starcraft, I think a similar rivalry to that of the terran-protoss forces would be cool. For those of you who don't know, the terran are earthlings with similar weapons to the dawn forge (not as mechy but still..) and the protoss are an alien race (stay with me) who are far more technologically advanced, but due to supreme military tactics, the terran (or DF in our case) can overcome that disadvantage. Now obviously I don't want to rip off blizzard's storyline so this is just kind of an idea. And a super smart alien race may be COMPLETELY out of line, and probably is, but that’s just the type of thing that I think would work better.

I apologize if I offended anyone who really like the Csek, I didn’t mean to come off as rude or insulting. They are very cool looking creations, my only beef is that they don’t fit their profile very well.


I guess that's all there is to it. I have a feeling nobody has, or ever will read this.
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| August 17, 2010, 7:14 pm
Ah..well... To put it bluntly. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THE Csek DON'T have freakin' big walkers, or freaky cool abilities..like being a replicator from StarGate, they can collapse themselves into little nano-particles and travel through the DF mecha, take control of them, etc.
A virus can kill a Human. So why can't a Csek kill even the largest DF mech..just by punching it.
Haven't you ever heard of Chuck Norris?

And what makes you think that they'd fight on the battlefield?
Do SPIES grab chainguns and entrench themselves shooting at the enemy. NO.
Think of all the possibilities before you say something.

Humans have always been "Bigger and better", we think big guns mean more kills, bigger explosives is bigger bang. it's the thrill of war. I HIGHLY doubt the Csek at the ONLY enemy the DF have.
The Big mechs are just to compensate for the shortcomings of the future. :-P
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| August 19, 2010, 1:17 am
Well yeah the Csek could be spies, or something much more, but Brian hasn't said that much about them so we don't know. The point is if I were to (I'm not planning on it any time soon but...) make some kind of DF battle diorama it would look goofy with huge mechs and TAVs on one side and a bunch of little critters with scythes on the other.

The Csek are cool and should definitely stay, I just think there needs to be something else.
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| August 19, 2010, 11:00 am
 Group admin 
Zane, while you are certainly entitled to your opinion about the Csek, let me clarify a few points.

The Csek are far from the DF’s only enemies. In my brief synopsis (found in the general conversation thread) I explained the following- “Dawn Forge is actually the name given to the combined military forces of the Eye of Dawn, a sovereign nation formed following the collapse of the United States of America after it’s catastrophic second civil war.”

So while the Eye of Dawn is certainly the dominant power in North America (comprising the western half of the former U.S.A. as well as most of Canada and all of Alaska.), the rest of the world is still there. While the DF certainly has the technological edge with it’s mechs, that doesn’t mean that the rest of the world won’t want a piece of their action.

Of particular annoyance is the eastern half of the former U.S.A., which now teems with rebel factions seeking to grab power and resist DF control. Many of these factions are supported by European and Asian powers who are concerned with the military strength of the DF and seek to undermine it at any cost. The hotly contested and ever changing Southeastern Front runs roughly along the St. Lawrence seaway, Great Lakes, and Mississippi river, but has at times has shifted as far west as New Mexico and as far east as Georgia.

So, Zane, I guess my point is that you can make any kind of enemy you want for the DF, as long as it makes sense with the general storyline. A rebel warlord pushing to try and retake St. Louis? Go for it. A North German sleeper cell detonating a tactical nuke in Denver to try and disable the Rocky Mountain Communications Array? Throw it down, baby. An invasion of three headed aliens from the planet Klatu? Not so much…

I’m not sure of specific dates yet, but think late 21st century/early 22nd century for a timeline.

Now, regarding the Csek, I find them to be a perfect foe for the DF. You’re right in your assessment that massive mechs are not especially well suited to fight them…in fact, that’s kind of the whole point. Impossibly fast and agile foes, leaping from the shadows to cut your armor to ribbons (yes, Csek blades can slice through metal) while you desperately try and draw a bead on them.

Also, the Csek have far from shown their entire hand, and the reason for their deadly grudge against the DF has yet to be explained. Rest assured, there will be more to come…

In the meantime though, go ahead and let your imagination run wild. Just don’t do anything retar...well, you know. ;-)

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| August 19, 2010, 11:29 am
hehe... If I had the greeble parts I would make an agile attach spider for the Csek...but as you all well know by now; I don't touch the bricks anymore.
Quite happy to draw it though.
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| August 19, 2010, 6:11 pm
If this is the enemy, the Csek, I think we should build robots, tanks, mechs, walkers, WHATEVER to go against them. After all, size can and cannot matter. In this case it does. So maybe a slight increase in our tactical defenses. Small things, really.

So what I'm tying to say is that we should build these things to even out our wars with the Csek. Our army will be bigger, better, and stronger.

See if you can agree with me and I wonder if anyone knew I was in this group...

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| August 19, 2010, 6:34 pm
It Ain't the motion of the ocean, it's the rockin' of the boat!
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| August 20, 2010, 2:15 am
In response to Brian:
I apologizing for being a little harsh towards the Csek, I was just trying to grab some attention from people (which apparently worked haha).
But anyways I guess I never looked at them the way you do, now that I think about it they do make a good enemy in the way that the DF is less efficient at combat with something like the Csek. And I'm glad you leave an opening for other foes, this whole time I thought the Dawn Forge were created and deployed specifically for the Csek.

P.S. I'm really looking forward to that full backstory *cough cough* ;)
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| August 20, 2010, 2:18 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Zane Houston
In response to Brian:
I apologizing for being a little harsh towards the Csek, I was just trying to grab some attention from people (which apparently worked haha).

Yeah, I knew that...that's why I put the smiley face on there. I could see you were trying to jump start this supposedly dead group…;-)


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| August 22, 2010, 4:43 pm
i was thinking of taking some of my mechs and covering it in Csec-y greebles and that some how it could have been infected idk plz respond if this sounds good
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| September 3, 2010, 8:13 pm
Quoting mr T
i was thinking of taking some of my mechs and covering it in Csec-y greebles and that some how it could have been infected idk plz respond if this sounds good


Well that's hard to say since the dawn forge are machines, so turning into the Csek may not fit in very well... but i guess its possible that an enemy could have a weapon that decays the armor or something
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| September 8, 2010, 11:02 pm
So what you are saying is that I could make a vignette/bignett/diorama about some rebels attacking a city?
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| October 22, 2010, 3:43 pm
Quoting Zane Houston

Well that's hard to say since the dawn forge are machines, so turning into the Csek may not fit in very well... but i guess its possible that an enemy could have a weapon that decays the armor or something


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| October 30, 2010, 3:36 pm
Quoting Zane Houston

Well that's hard to say since the dawn forge are machines, so turning into the Csek may not fit in very well... but i guess its possible that an enemy could have a weapon that decays the armor or something
correct me if im wrong but the Csek are robots as are the DF mech. and machines/robots can be infected by viruses (computer viruses) and controlled by that virus. so they could infect the mech. I know this sounds far fetched but, lets be frank this whole thing is far fetched, I mean bipedal robotic fighting machines(not to dis the theme of DF. I love it too.)

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| October 30, 2010, 3:42 pm
Quoting mr T
Quoting Zane Houston

Well that's hard to say since the dawn forge are machines, so turning into the Csek may not fit in very well... but i guess its possible that an enemy could have a weapon that decays the armor or something
correct me if im wrong but the Csek are robots as are the DF mech. and machines/robots can be infected by viruses (computer viruses) and controlled by that virus. so they could infect the mech. I know this sounds far fetched but, lets be frank this whole thing is far fetched, I mean bipedal robotic fighting machines(not to dis the theme of DF. I love it too.)


Ok I see what you're saying. It's definitely possible for DF machines to be controlled by something else, but i still don't think the actual mechanical appendages can spontaneously turn into a Csek-like body part.
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| November 1, 2010, 4:16 am
Quoting Zane Houston

Ok I see what you're saying. It's definitely possible for DF machines to be controlled by something else, but i still don't think the actual mechanical appendages can spontaneously turn into a Csek-like body part.
well now that i think about it i see your logic but heck, its the future we can fly the speed of light and the cubs can make the playoffs (haha)

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| November 1, 2010, 8:28 pm
Quoting mr T
well now that i think about it i see your logic but heck, its the future we can fly the speed of light and the cubs can make the playoffs (haha)


haha yeah, and that would be like if my computer got a virus, then overnight my keyboard took the shape of a triangle
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| November 1, 2010, 8:50 pm
Quoting Zane Houston

haha yeah, and that would be like if my computer got a virus, then overnight my keyboard took the shape of a triangle
thats not funny it happened to me but I just kinda picture the flood from halo (ya i know its halo...*sigh* dont say anything) but if you have ever played the story they take over the bodies of other soldiers and they get nasty and floody and sproute extra arms and weird stuff

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| November 7, 2010, 6:27 pm
I like the idea of a rebel force (of humans) backed by European and Asian powers that use a different style of mech/tank/armor or use scavenged parts perhaps combining DF and their own weapons to create hybrid weapons systems as an enemy for DF. Perhaps a guerilla army that uses it's speed and stealth to counter DF's overwhelming firepower. Just an idea...
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| January 25, 2011, 1:19 am
Quoting John Stahlman
I like the idea of a rebel force (of humans) backed by European and Asian powers that use a different style of mech/tank/armor or use scavenged parts perhaps combining DF and their own weapons to create hybrid weapons systems as an enemy for DF. Perhaps a guerilla army that uses it's speed and stealth to counter DF's overwhelming firepower. Just an idea...


that sounds like a great idea!
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| January 29, 2011, 11:52 am
Quoting Zane Houston

that sounds like a great idea!



To be fair, Brian kinda suggested something like this, I was just trying to flesh it out a bit. My love of modern and near future military stuff makes this a fun scenario for me!
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| January 30, 2011, 10:28 pm
Did anyone notice my comment of the fact that they might be the replicators of the DF?

Machines made of nano-machines that take control of computers, re-organise machines and build new objects.

I figure.. 1 Csek could take the biggest DF mecha all because of the fact it could sprawl out and feed itself into the controls, the mechanisms, the armour itself.. and take control of the mecha.

If you want to make a Csek Diorama... you'll need a bunch of Csek I reckon...
Say a single large DF mecha being toppled by several Csek clinging to its armour.

The reason they are the biggest threat to the DF is the fact that they can probably disassemble themselves and destroy a DF mech from within.
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| February 5, 2011, 8:46 am
My thoughts (yes I'm new)is that the Csek are a destructive race with only on thing in thier minds...killing, and the DF stand as the biggest and baddest target. So here are my thoughts for the Csek:

-Powerful claws that can rip through even the toughest mechs armor.
-Large swarming capabilities make them a tough foe to face.
-They have extreme agility but not enough to outrun the constant fire from a mini-gun.
-Because of the above they are a grat threat to DF but only at night.

I believe DF need traitors, rebels, or even some alien race that they are fighting against.
Think of it like warhammer 40k, (and if u don't know about this search up lexicanium and read about it) DF are the only thing standing between doom and salvation and there are countless threat like the Csek (similar to the tyranids in 40 k or zerg in starcraft) that are out to kill every last man on earth. So i say we have a alien race with advanced tech or a traitor legion. I can probably make one up but it may take a few months if anyone has an idea pleas tell me!

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| June 16, 2011, 10:37 pm
Quoting Austin Becht
My thoughts (yes I'm new)is that the Csek are a destructive race with only on thing in thier minds...killing, and the DF stand as the biggest and baddest target. So here are my thoughts for the Csek:

-Powerful claws that can rip through even the toughest mechs armor.
-Large swarming capabilities make them a tough foe to face.
-They have extreme agility but not enough to outrun the constant fire from a mini-gun.
-Because of the above they are a grat threat to DF but only at night.

I believe DF need traitors, rebels, or even some alien race that they are fighting against.
Think of it like warhammer 40k, (and if u don't know about this search up lexicanium and read about it) DF are the only thing standing between doom and salvation and there are countless threat like the Csek (similar to the tyranids in 40 k or zerg in starcraft) that are out to kill every last man on earth. So i say we have a alien race with advanced tech or a traitor legion. I can probably make one up but it may take a few months if anyone has an idea pleas tell me!

That sounds good! Would they look like bugs or something else?
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| June 17, 2011, 8:36 am
I read a bit on what Brian has for the back story and here it is (it is heavily quoted from Brian and has other group members ideas):

“Dawn Forge is actually the name given to the combined military forces of the Eye of Dawn, a sovereign nation formed following the collapse of the United States of America after it’s catastrophic second civil war.”

So while the Eye of Dawn is certainly the dominant power in North America (comprising the western half of the former U.S.A. as well as most of Canada and all of Alaska.), the rest of the world is still there. While the DF certainly has the technological edge with it’s mechs, that doesn’t mean that the rest of the world won’t want a piece of their action.

Of particular annoyance is the eastern half of the former U.S.A., which now teems with rebel factions seeking to grab power and resist DF control. Many of these factions are supported by European and Asian powers who are concerned with the military strength of the DF and seek to undermine it at any cost. (Later these powers form an alliance called the EAA or Euro-Asian Alliance) The hotly contested and ever changing Southeastern Front runs roughly along the St. Lawrence seaway, Great Lakes, and Mississippi river, but has at times has shifted as far west as New Mexico and as far east as Georgia.

Now how do the Csek fit in? Here is my idea:

"Remember, these...things are smart, the can adapt there strategies according to what we do and that means we have to do the same, got it! So remember men they hide, you hide: they attack, you shoot at them and if they kill one of us, well lets hope they don't 'cause then we're sc..ahhhhh" Last words of gunnery sergeant Parker before he was decapitated by a Csek.

The Csek are an alien race that is now on its hundredth generation on planet Earth. Csek are massive monstrosities that can stand, at the least, shoulder to shoulder with a fully grown man. The Csek came to this planet during the time of the dinosaurs, but after the dinosaurs went extinct the Csek had no more chalenging prey, so they hibernated for billions of years until now.

When the many fractions of the USA and Canada were doing everything they could to survive, one group, which would later be called Dawn Forge, fell upon a collection of deep caverns. These cavern were littered with ore never even seen before. So they began to dig up this plentiful basket of ore. But what the didn't know was by doing such the had awoken the Csek from their eons of slumber. DF only knew what they had unleashed upon the world when it was too late.

"This is miner number 236901 speaking, we have been exploring these caverns for weeks. Its amazing down here. The ceiling glitters like the night sky because of all the ore. Were about to start the excavation. Hey Simon, ya got the drill? Simon....Simon.....SIMON where are ya buddy. 'Did you just see that' "Ya i saw it...Simon you out there...hello! What the h" END OF TRANSMISSION
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| June 17, 2011, 1:09 pm
Quoting Yapdap 'Reep' Bitte
That sounds good! Would they look like bugs or something else?


Duno? Due to the back story by Brian i think a rebel fraction is just what we need to be fighting. Backed by the EAA I think they could be a formidable opponent but with less of a technological advantage.

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| June 17, 2011, 1:30 pm
Quoting Austin Becht
I read a bit on what Brian has for the back story and here it is (it is heavily quoted from Brian and has other group members ideas):

“Dawn Forge is actually the name given to the combined military forces of the Eye of Dawn, a sovereign nation formed following the collapse of the United States of America after it’s catastrophic second civil war.”

So while the Eye of Dawn is certainly the dominant power in North America (comprising the western half of the former U.S.A. as well as most of Canada and all of Alaska.), the rest of the world is still there. While the DF certainly has the technological edge with it’s mechs, that doesn’t mean that the rest of the world won’t want a piece of their action.

Of particular annoyance is the eastern half of the former U.S.A., which now teems with rebel factions seeking to grab power and resist DF control. Many of these factions are supported by European and Asian powers who are concerned with the military strength of the DF and seek to undermine it at any cost. (Later these powers form an alliance called the EAA or Euro-Asian Alliance) The hotly contested and ever changing Southeastern Front runs roughly along the St. Lawrence seaway, Great Lakes, and Mississippi river, but has at times has shifted as far west as New Mexico and as far east as Georgia.

Now how do the Csek fit in? Here is my idea:

"Remember, these...things are smart, the can adapt there strategies according to what we do and that means we have to do the same, got it! So remember men they hide, you hide: they attack, you shoot at them and if they kill one of us, well lets hope they don't 'cause then we're sc..ahhhhh" Last words of gunnery sergeant Parker before he was decapitated by a Csek.

The Csek are an alien race that is now on its hundredth generation on planet Earth. Csek are massive monstrosities that can stand, at the least, shoulder to shoulder with a fully grown man. The Csek came to this planet during the time of the dinosaurs, but after the dinosaurs went extinct the Csek had no more chalenging prey, so they hibernated for billions of years until now.

When the many fractions of the USA and Canada were doing everything they could to survive, one group, which would later be called Dawn Forge, fell upon a collection of deep caverns. These cavern were littered with ore never even seen before. So they began to dig up this plentiful basket of ore. But what the didn't know was by doing such the had awoken the Csek from their eons of slumber. DF only knew what they had unleashed upon the world when it was too late.

"This is miner number 236901 speaking, we have been exploring these caverns for weeks. Its amazing down here. The ceiling glitters like the night sky because of all the ore. Were about to start the excavation. Hey Simon, ya got the drill? Simon....Simon.....SIMON where are ya buddy. 'Did you just see that' "Ya i saw it...Simon you out there...hello! What the h" END OF TRANSMISSION


to correct myself the Csek are actually a race of alien machines in my mind. they could also be rouge creations of the rebels or EAA that show the first step in technological innovation for these new fractions if you want to think of it that way. whichever you guys think is beter tell me. i would especially like Brian or another Csek maker to help out with some thoughts.
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| June 18, 2011, 1:14 pm
just to chime in...

according to brian the csek are ancient beings, but I don't think there are from a different planet. I also suggested an alien race with advanced technology for an enemy to the DF and brian shut me down...

This theme is supposed to be somewhat realistic, keeping in mind it is set a hundred years or so in the future. Giant insects and crazy aliens don't belong in this group, there are other themes out there for that.

The truth is we don't really know much about the csek or the DF background, and it's going to get out of hand if everyone starts making up their own stories to go along with the Dawn Forge history. Even though Brian hasn't been on in a very long time it's still his group and his idea to toy with, so (as much as I would like to) we shouldn't be writing the DF backstory for him.

p.s.
the dinosaurs went extinct 65ish million years ago ;p
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| June 18, 2011, 2:52 pm
Quoting Zane Houston
just to chime in...

according to brian the csek are ancient beings, but I don't think there are from a different planet. I also suggested an alien race with advanced technology for an enemy to the DF and brian shut me down...

This theme is supposed to be somewhat realistic, keeping in mind it is set a hundred years or so in the future. Giant insects and crazy aliens don't belong in this group, there are other themes out there for that.

The truth is we don't really know much about the csek or the DF background, and it's going to get out of hand if everyone starts making up their own stories to go along with the Dawn Forge history. Even though Brian hasn't been on in a very long time it's still his group and his idea to toy with, so (as much as I would like to) we shouldn't be writing the DF backstory for him.

p.s.
the dinosaurs went extinct 65ish million years ago ;p


Thanks for the input Zane, i wish Brian could come on and make up a back story for this group so we wouldn't be wondering what is the story of this new enemy or who the enemies from dawn forge are. I have been seeing him say to other create your own thins so long as it sits the story line but all we know abut the story line is that Dawn forge controls half the USA and parts of Canada and is at war with the ancient Csek (and that is all we know about the Csek)and the rest of the world, especialy the unnamed (and seemingly unimportant as no one has made anything for the rebels even though in the short back story they a stated as important and a main enemy) rebel fractions. If he wanted an actual back story for us to work off he would write a nice long story to tell us all about Dawn Forge AND its enemies.
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| June 18, 2011, 6:17 pm
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