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MocOlympics questions only please.

And don't ask us to judge your moc. We'll get there when we can. Thank you.
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| August 6, 2010, 5:24 pm
On that note, I will leave this computer at 4.00 Pacific time, 7.00 EST. I will not judge any more MOCs until Monday, depending on the speed of these here pages. Cheers.
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| August 6, 2010, 5:28 pm
Whats the MocOlympics main group?
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| August 6, 2010, 5:41 pm
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Quoting Eric Mickle
What does the category "your pants are on fire pertain to."


Did you read this thread completely?
http://mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=12864&topicid=54345
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| August 6, 2010, 5:50 pm
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Quoting Ford F250
Whats the MocOlympics main group?


Wow... Really?
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| August 6, 2010, 5:51 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Wow... Really?


Is it one of the convos?
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| August 6, 2010, 5:57 pm
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Quoting Ford F250

Is it one of the convos?


Ok... Ford... what group are you typing and reading in right now?

...

...

Ahhh there you go.
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| August 6, 2010, 6:05 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Ok... Ford... what group are you typing and reading in right now?

...

...

Ahhh there you go.


THX
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| August 6, 2010, 6:19 pm
Quoting Fruity Toucan
Hey Chris I've tried to do a working link but it is not working. Can you help me?

Make links to other pages

Tag
<a href=URL> </a>
How to use it
I read <a href=http://www.lugnet.com>; Lugnet </a> often
What it looks like
I read Lugnet often

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| August 6, 2010, 6:34 pm
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Quoting Fruity Toucan
Hey Chris I've tried to do a working link but it is not working. Can you help me?


Quoting Mister Bones
Make links to other pages

Tag
<a href=URL> </a>
How to use it
I read <a href=http://www.lugnet.com>; Lugnet </a> often
What it looks like
I read Lugnet often


Thanks for taking that one Bones!

Also, when you upload a MOC there is a link on the top of the box that says "Learn some simple HTML." In there you will find all sorts of fun stuff for your page, including how to make a link.

I'd thank Bones for giving it to you here. Never hurts to butter up the judges.
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| August 6, 2010, 6:40 pm
Hey someone I put the link on my moc to the groups home page but it does not work what do I do?
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| August 6, 2010, 6:59 pm
Can i post a creation that has a vehicle that I had already posted? Also can I do the same thing with minifigs?
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| August 6, 2010, 7:05 pm
When i upload my entry, can my initial be just "E" or must it be more than 1 letters?
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| August 6, 2010, 7:06 pm
Quoting Eric Mickle
Can i post a creation that has a vehicle that I had already posted? Also can I do the same thing with minifigs?

Correct me if I'm wrong Chris but, I believe figs are fine but vehicles are a no-no.
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| August 6, 2010, 7:12 pm
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Quoting E.K.O .
When i upload my entry, can my initial be just "E" or must it be more than 2 letters?


A valid question. Just put EKO. It's only three letters.
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| August 6, 2010, 7:36 pm
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Quoting Seth N.
Correct me if I'm wrong Chris but, I believe figs are fine but vehicles are a no-no.


Thanks Seth, but let's let him figure it out on his own...


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| August 6, 2010, 7:40 pm
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Quoting Ford F250
Hey someone I put the link on my moc to the groups home page but it does not work what do I do?


You probably copied the URL wrong. Be sure that it's the EXACT URL or the link won't work. Trial and error man. Good luck, keep trying.
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| August 6, 2010, 7:47 pm
Yeah i have a question. Can we have a rule where no talk like "hi, hows it going?" or "im off for the night, cya" type of .... talk. It's seriously annoying me and it is flooding my email account. I deleted over 400 message from this group alone this morning because i couldn't be stuffed going through all of that only to find conversation like what i wrote above. How am i supposed to know if there was something important in there. I dont want to wast 2 hours sorting through all of that looking for important things. Heck i might have even missed what catagory i was in if it had come any later. (I did see it though and i am truley baffled.) So yeah the question is can we have no useless talk like the above please. Its driving me nuts! Go to facebook or some other social network site! Mocpages is for LEGO! XP
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| August 6, 2010, 8:18 pm
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Quoting -=Rori=- P
Yeah i have a question. Can we have a rule where no talk like "hi, hows it going?" or "im off for the night, cya" type of .... talk. It's seriously annoying me and it is flooding my email account. I deleted over 400 message from this group alone this morning because i couldn't be stuffed going through all of that only to find conversation like what i wrote above. How am i supposed to know if there was something important in there. I dont want to wast 2 hours sorting through all of that looking for important things. Heck i might have even missed what catagory i was in if it had come any later. (I did see it though and i am truley baffled.) So yeah the question is can we have no useless talk like the above please. Its driving me nuts! Go to facebook or some other social network site! Mocpages is for LEGO! XP


Agreed. I was letting it slide a bit because the games hadn't started. Now that the games are a go, it's time to buckle down so that people who avoid this place like the plague due to spammy comments (you people know who you are).

Next convo thread will be monitored more closely and all that "spammy" talk will be deleted and the users... if they persist after being given fair warning, will be banned.

There's a difference between spam comments and fun talk. Let's learn the difference people. Typing in "bacon" or "salami" is not a valid conversation piece.

Thank you Rori. You're right.
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| August 6, 2010, 8:52 pm
Will I get DQed for using other peoples sig figs?
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| August 6, 2010, 9:04 pm
Quoting Brick Star
Will I get DQed for using other peoples sig figs?

i would guess mo unless that person doesnt want you to. i wouldnt care if anyone used mine
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| August 6, 2010, 9:06 pm
Im only using AFOL siggy's Matt.
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| August 6, 2010, 9:08 pm
Quoting Brick Star
Will I get DQed for using other peoples sig figs?

Use Flare's and you'll probably get bonus points if Yuri judges yours. XD
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| August 6, 2010, 9:12 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
MocOlympics questions only please.

And don't ask us to judge your moc. We'll get there when we can. Thank you.

Hey, about the rule where you can't add anything old; are you allowed to use old stuff that you haven't uploaded to MOCpages? Thanks.
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| August 6, 2010, 9:13 pm
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Quoting Brick Star
Will I get DQed for using other peoples sig figs?


No, sigfigs are fine.

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| August 6, 2010, 9:15 pm
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Quoting Hawk The Soccer Fan
Hey, about the rule where you can't add anything old; are you allowed to use old stuff that you haven't uploaded to MOCpages? Thanks.


Two things. One, did you sign up? I don't remember seeing your name on the list.
EDIT: I see you just signed up. I'll get you a new category here in a minute. Check the round one thread under my "Late entries" post (second down) in a few minutes for your category.

Two, what part of "new builds only" is so hard for people to grasp here?
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| August 6, 2010, 9:17 pm
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Quoting Fruity Toucan
Hey Chris Yuri and Bones could you make a topic that shows all the people total scores and the people who are DQ so we could know who is still left. Thanks Fruity Toucan


Oh sure, cause we're not already doing enough already. We'll get right on that...

(sarcasm aside... no. But thanks for asking) hehehe
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| August 6, 2010, 9:49 pm
My entry got scores of 6, 6, and 5. I've never done this before, so are these good scores? Or just average?
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| August 6, 2010, 9:52 pm
Quoting Fruity Toucan
Little above average.

But what is average?
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| August 6, 2010, 10:02 pm
Quoting Michael Sloper
Quoting Chris Phipson
MocOlympics questions only please.

And don't ask us to judge your moc. We'll get there when we can. Thank you.
When is the due date for the Eliminatories round?

Read the rules-August 15th at midnight EST
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| August 6, 2010, 10:04 pm
Quoting Nicks Bricks

well i think Yuri may of been hoping for a bit more on its size (cleaner), or a little story to go along with it.

Totally agree there. The pix were also very blurry.
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| August 6, 2010, 10:07 pm
Quoting Fish Teeth
I never planned a story. Strike 1. My plan was to make the MOC appear cluttered. Ball. One picture was blurry, the main one. Strike 2.

Okay, but I think the judges were just hoping for something a little bigger. Maybe multiple cubicles or a story or something.
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| August 6, 2010, 10:21 pm
Quoting Fish Teeth
Thanks for the tips!

No problem.
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| August 6, 2010, 10:40 pm
I'm not sure what my category means "Film at 11" .Could someone please help?
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| August 6, 2010, 10:41 pm
Question about the chat group: can you put in some moderators? Because it's going to get way too out of control without any.
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| August 6, 2010, 11:22 pm
Quoting Off The Hook Animation™
I'm not sure what my category means "Film at 11" .Could someone please help?

It's called Google. Use it. Once you learn more about your category, the way you bring it into your creation is entirely up to you.
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| August 6, 2010, 11:36 pm
Quoting Michael Sloper
Quoting Chris Phipson
MocOlympics questions only please.

And don't ask us to judge your moc. We'll get there when we can. Thank you.
When is the due date for the Eliminatories round?

It's already been said, but I believe Aug. 15.
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| August 7, 2010, 2:29 am
Quoting Drew the Sk8er
Question about the chat group: can you put in some moderators? Because it's going to get way too out of control without any.


Where is this chat group?
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| August 7, 2010, 2:50 am
Quoting Drew the Sk8er
But what is average?


5, 5, 5, which is a total of 15
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| August 7, 2010, 2:51 am
Quoting Flare .

5, 5, 5, which is a total of 15

A.K.A the mean of a number... hehe i smrt...
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| August 7, 2010, 6:01 am
Quoting Joe P.
A.K.A the mean of a number... hehe i smrt...


I am just spelling it out for our younger friends ;)
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| August 7, 2010, 7:05 am
Since Bones said he was asking the other judges, about my problem, I am wondering if I will be able to. My posts are in the "ten" and "x" threds. I reacall reading over the rules at least four times. too.
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| August 7, 2010, 9:47 am
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Since Bones said he was asking the other judges, about my problem, I am wondering if I will be able to. My posts are in the "ten" and "x" threds. I reacall reading over the rules at least four times. too.

I read your post in X and I don't get exactly what's it about. Tell me, I'll try to address the problem swiftly.
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| August 7, 2010, 10:04 am
How long do the MocOlympics typically last? On average, anyway.
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| August 7, 2010, 10:09 am
Quoting Dr. HappyBaboon , PhD
How long do the MocOlympics typically last? On average, anyway.


I'd say 3and 1/2 months.
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| August 7, 2010, 10:17 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
I read your post in X and I don't get exactly what's it about. Tell me, I'll try to address the problem swiftly.

Well, I knew I was going on vacation, but when I saw one of Chris's posts, it said(from what I remember), that the contest wasn't starting on the 15th, and I thought would have enough time till the contest started. But then when I finally got back to checking it out, I don't have anytime when I return. And I am probably returning on the 15th, so I was asking, just this one, for a day to work on it and finish. In which i'll try to be really quick about it too. So... I also know exactally how to do an entry too, if that's any help.
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| August 7, 2010, 11:24 am
How do the judges feel about LDD creations?
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| August 7, 2010, 1:45 pm
Quoting Nicks Bricks

LDD isn't allowed

Where does it say that? I must have missed it...
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| August 7, 2010, 1:54 pm
What is MOCpages time? Central? Pacific? Eastern? Also, would my initials be "K."?
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| August 7, 2010, 2:18 pm
Quoting Ken ...
What is MOCpages time? Central? Pacific? Eastern? Also, would my initials be "K."?

MOCpages time is Eastern Standard Time. And I'd say your initials would be K.
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| August 7, 2010, 2:22 pm
uhh questions:

Is beyond midnight a radio broadcast?

and what would my initials be?
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| August 7, 2010, 2:22 pm
My name is SpaceGypsy!!! For my initials should I put SG or S?
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| August 7, 2010, 2:31 pm
Am I disqualified? I added the link on my entry.
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| August 7, 2010, 2:34 pm
I might just be being paranoid here... but if I used a non LEGO element in my build, like water for example, would I be DQ'd?
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| August 7, 2010, 3:08 pm
Quoting Seth N.
I might just be being paranoid here... but if I used a non LEGO element in my build, like water for example, would I be DQ'd?

The rules said that this not is a purist contest, so i think that is allowed.
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| August 7, 2010, 3:21 pm
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Quoting Seth N.
I might just be being paranoid here... but if I used a non LEGO element in my build, like water for example, would I be DQ'd?


You should be OK as long as it's done in moderation. None of the judges are purists but don't go overboard. Using real water huh... I'm actually intrigued. Looking forward to it.
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| August 7, 2010, 5:00 pm
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Quoting Dr. HappyBaboon , PhD
How long do the MocOlympics typically last? On average, anyway.


Check the tentative schedule in the important announcement thread. All the dates are there.
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| August 7, 2010, 5:02 pm
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We're not going to be huge sticklers on the initials thing. For space gypsy, SG is fine. for the guy with numbers at the begining of his name, just put the numbers.
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| August 7, 2010, 5:09 pm
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Quoting Dr. HappyBaboon , PhD
Where does it say that? I must have missed it...


In the three years that the MocOlympics have been running, LDD has never been allowed. This is a Lego building contest, not a computer skills contest. Real Lego only.
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| August 7, 2010, 5:10 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Well, I knew I was going on vacation, but when I saw one of Chris's posts, it said(from what I remember), that the contest wasn't starting on the 15th, and I thought would have enough time till the contest started. But then when I finally got back to checking it out, I don't have anytime when I return. And I am probably returning on the 15th, so I was asking, just this one, for a day to work on it and finish. In which i'll try to be really quick about it too. So... I also know exactally how to do an entry too, if that's any help.


Let's put it this way. If I made an exception for you this one time, then I'd have to make an exception for someone else another time and then another person another time. You see where this is going. No exceptions can be made. I'm sorry. The due dates will stand.

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| August 7, 2010, 5:12 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

In the three years that the MocOlympics have been running, LDD has never been allowed. This is a Lego building contest, not a computer skills contest. Real Lego only.

Okay. I wasn't planning on using it anyway. Just curious.
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| August 7, 2010, 5:15 pm
ok serious question am i DQed because i fixed the link as soon as i found out what i did wrong
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| August 7, 2010, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Eric Mickle
ok serious question am i DQed because i fixed the link as soon as i found out what i did wrong


If it's all working when the judges get there to score it then you're fine.
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| August 7, 2010, 6:42 pm
ok thank you
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| August 7, 2010, 6:46 pm
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Quoting Eric Mickle
ok thank you

For you, and all the others: just re-check your entry BEFORE you post the link in the "official entry" thread. Until you post the link you have all the time to set things straight.
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| August 7, 2010, 7:05 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
For you, and all the others: just re-check your entry BEFORE you post the link in the "official entry" thread. Until you post the link you have all the time to set things straight.

I was a bit too hasty but I have learned my lesson
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| August 7, 2010, 7:24 pm
Can you choose your category?
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| August 7, 2010, 7:26 pm
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Quoting Fish Teeth
Thanks for the tips!

Don't worry, at this rate, there's a chance that ANYBODY who can follow the rules will pass :)
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| August 7, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Lieutenant Darkstorm
Can you choose your category?


As I'm SURE you read in the rules thread already... (sigh) the categories will be assigned to you at random.
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| August 7, 2010, 7:31 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

As I'm SURE you read in the rules thread already... (sigh) the categories will be assigned to you at random.

Then where do you FIND your category?
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| August 7, 2010, 7:33 pm
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Quoting Lieutenant Darkstorm
Then where do you FIND your category?


Probably in the "round one" thread with everyone elses categories... Try it, you may be surprised.
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| August 7, 2010, 7:36 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

Probably in the "round one" thread with everyone elses categories... Try it, you may be surprised.

Ooh.Nasty
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| August 7, 2010, 7:37 pm
why do people keep asking about what the categories are gonna be
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| August 7, 2010, 7:38 pm
Quoting Eric Mickle
why do people keep asking about what the categories are gonna be

Ooooh. Double nasty.
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| August 7, 2010, 7:43 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson
We're not going to be huge sticklers on the initials thing. For space gypsy, SG is fine. for the guy with numbers at the begining of his name, just put the numbers.

Ok, thanks. I'll be uploading my entrie now.
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| August 8, 2010, 5:54 am
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Quoting Fish Teeth
Why?

*facepalm
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| August 8, 2010, 6:44 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
*facepalm

lol.
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| August 8, 2010, 6:46 am
Quoting Fish Teeth
Why?


I agree with Yuri "*facepalm*" but I will explain as you must be younger and not understand things as easily....

MOST EVERYONE DOESN'T READ THE RULES AND ARE DEEEEEQYOOOOOED!
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| August 8, 2010, 6:58 am
Hey Chris,
I'm signed up as Kevin Walter, but I added now my second initial to make flickr and mocpages synchronal...
Should I write KW or KJW?
Thanks!
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| August 8, 2010, 7:10 am
is beyond midnight just a moc that takes place after midnight? or is it something specific?
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| August 8, 2010, 10:01 am
Quoting 156th commander Ryles™©®
is beyond midnight just a moc that takes place after midnight? or is it something specific?

Here's an idea: Try figuring it out for yourself. Do it YOUR WAY because there's no one way to do it.
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| August 8, 2010, 10:02 am
Quoting Kevin J. Walter
Hey Chris,
I'm signed up as Kevin Walter, but I added now my second initial to make flickr and mocpages synchronal...
Should I write KW or KJW?
Thanks!

Either way is fine by me (although I'm not Chris, I am a judge).
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| August 8, 2010, 10:03 am
can we use brickarms or brickforge items in our entries?
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| August 8, 2010, 10:12 am
Yes, Chris, I can see where you are going.

Well, ill try to get back quick, though it could be rushed, but what happens if mocpages lags during that time?
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| August 8, 2010, 11:15 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
*facepalm

Thanks for the laugh, Yuri :)
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| August 8, 2010, 3:34 pm
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Quoting Kevin J. Walter
Hey Chris,
I'm signed up as Kevin Walter, but I added now my second initial to make flickr and mocpages synchronal...
Should I write KW or KJW?
Thanks!


Quoting Dennis Price
Either way is fine by me (although I'm not Chris, I am a judge).


Yeah, like Dennis said. That's something we're not too picky about. Basically, it's just to see if people can follow the rules...

As you can see from a good number of previous entries, that's going to be our main issue.

You guys can choose your own combination of initials as long as they reflect your name in some way that is recognizable.

Can't wait to see what you come up with for this round!

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| August 8, 2010, 4:41 pm
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Quoting Finn C-Q
Yes, Chris, I can see where you are going.

Well, ill try to get back quick, though it could be rushed, but what happens if mocpages lags during that time?


The upgrades are going in to effect next Tuesday night so by Wednesday there won't BE anymore lag. Good luck!
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| August 8, 2010, 4:44 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

The upgrades are going in to effect next Tuesday night so by Wednesday there won't BE anymore lag. Good luck!

Thanks, I'll need it. XD
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| August 8, 2010, 4:59 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

The upgrades are going in to effect next Tuesday night so by Wednesday there won't BE anymore lag. Good luck!

Thanks, I'll need it. XD
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| August 8, 2010, 5:11 pm
I reread the rules again today and I saw that this is not a purist group and brickarms and brickforge items are allowed but then why do you freak out if we use megabloks (by the way an awesome company no matter what you say).
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| August 8, 2010, 5:59 pm
I have a question that I think is valid since I wasn't in last years MocOlympics. In round 2, if I should get there, is there any chance of there being lesser questions about information that have already been posted and reposted at least twice or more? Or is this question just whining disguised as a question? ;)
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| August 8, 2010, 7:52 pm
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Quoting Eric Mickle
I reread the rules again today and I saw that this is not a purist group and brickarms and brickforge items are allowed but then why do you freak out if we use megabloks (by the way an awesome company no matter what you say).


No, it's not a purist contest however, the individual judges ARE entitled to their own opinions. I personally find megablocks to be a very inferior brand to Lego. Brickarms and Brickforge are well made, high quality items. You also, are entitled to your opinion on megablocks and if you like them by all means, continue to use them. Just know that opinions vary. (and I didn't score the "megablocks moc" down for using megablocks. I scored the moc as I saw it, megablocks or not.)

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| August 8, 2010, 8:59 pm
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Quoting Roger Brickjet
I have a question that I think is valid since I wasn't in last years MocOlympics. In round 2, if I should get there, is there any chance of there being lesser questions about information that have already been posted and reposted at least twice or more? Or is this question just whining disguised as a question? ;)


Bingo.
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| August 8, 2010, 9:04 pm
Quoting Chris Phipson

No, it's not a purist contest however, the individual judges ARE entitled to their own opinions. I personally find megablocks to be a very inferior brand to Lego. Brickarms and Brickforge are well made, high quality items. You also, are entitled to your opinion on megablocks and if you like them by all means, continue to use them. Just know that opinions vary. (and I didn't score the "megablocks moc" down for using megablocks. I scored the moc as I saw it, megablocks or not.)

I'm against MEGABLOCKs in all of the ways possible. Those dirty copiers of LEGO.
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| August 8, 2010, 9:05 pm
Quoting Eric Mickle
I reread the rules again today and I saw that this is not a purist group and brickarms and brickforge items are allowed but then why do you freak out if we use megabloks (by the way an awesome company no matter what you say).

I will never speak to you, comment on your creations, or do anything that has to do with you again. Unless it is beating you in this contest. Megabloks is a horrid company.
(I am sorry for this rude comment. Please Forgive me, Judges.)
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| August 8, 2010, 9:20 pm
i like megabloks because they apeal to me better than lego. Main reason I like them is they make combat sets. Though granted they do cheat occaisionally. But still i think they are meant to appear to an older age group unlike lego which goes to like 12 in maturity.
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| August 8, 2010, 9:20 pm
Quoting Nicks Bricks

yeah but does megablocks have a cool sight like this?

I think mocpages applies to both
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| August 8, 2010, 9:23 pm
Quoting Eric Mickle
I think mocpages applies to both

No. that is wrong.
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| August 8, 2010, 9:24 pm
Quoting Tyler Halliwell
I will never speak to you, comment on your creations, or do anything that has to do with you again. Unless it is beating you in this contest. Megabloks is a horrid company.
(I am sorry for this rude comment. Please Forgive me, Judges.)

wow thats very mature i dont like haters of megabloks so yeah..
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| August 8, 2010, 9:25 pm
Quoting Tyler Halliwell
No. that is wrong.

thats just wrong, what the heck mocpages
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| August 8, 2010, 9:26 pm
and also WOW people just calm down about megabloks copying lego dont you know several other companies have done it and also THINGS ARE COPIED ALL THE TIME ITS NOT LIKE LEGO PATENTED THE CONNECT THINGS TO OTHER THINGS IDEA!!!!!
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| August 8, 2010, 9:30 pm
I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO :P LA LA
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| August 8, 2010, 9:31 pm
Quoting C J
I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO :P LA LA

LOL
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| August 8, 2010, 9:33 pm
Quoting Eric Mickle
I think mocpages applies to both

Never speak again.
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| August 8, 2010, 10:22 pm
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