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Do you feel your MOCathlon judgement has been superficial, or unfair?
Don'keep your feelings cooped up!
Tell on us!
Of course this will NOT change anything, but at least you will be able to blow off some steam, and get on with the game with a lighter heart :)

Please, don't use the "reply" button on this one.

(Mind you: the censor engine is always watching. If I need to moderate this topic too often I'll lock it, so moderate yourselves!)
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| February 19, 2010, 5:08 pm
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Only MOCathlon stuff, and only pertinent posts.
Thanks :)
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| February 19, 2010, 5:11 pm
I liked how you gave me a lower score in the architect entry, and yet you admitted you couldn't do much better. :P

Is that what you had in mind? LMAO
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| February 20, 2010, 11:52 am
Well, this isn't against anyone in particular, But I thought it fit in this topic: My camera is out of batteries halfway through photographing one of my entries, my right eardrum feels like it's going to explode because of all the pressure that's building up in my head because my nose is clogged with a literal tablespoon of clear, slimy fluid that seems to by endlessly produced whenever I bend my neck down below 80 degrees or rain has recently fallen. Both are happening now.

Also, my eyes won't stop watering and my computer is physically breaking apart and I don't have any duct tape. Oh, and I'm getting obsessed with washing my hands.

...How's that for whining?
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| February 20, 2010, 4:22 pm
Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Well, this isn't against anyone in particular, But I thought it fit in this topic: My camera is out of batteries halfway through photographing one of my entries, my right eardrum feels like it's going to explode because of all the pressure that's building up in my head because my nose is clogged with a literal tablespoon of clear, slimy fluid that seems to by endlessly produced whenever I bend my neck down below 80 degrees or rain has recently fallen. Both are happening now.

Also, my eyes won't stop watering and my computer is physically breaking apart and I don't have any duct tape. Oh, and I'm getting obsessed with washing my hands.

...How's that for whining?


I've got a runny nose and sore throat too :( I know how you feel...

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| February 20, 2010, 4:53 pm
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Quoting 000 000
I've posted a re-appeal to the judges decision here: http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=10256&topicid=45139&;

Comment moved to the appropriate category. Response in your group has been posted.

Lee
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| February 21, 2010, 2:01 pm
I broke a nail while deconstructing.
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| February 21, 2010, 2:08 pm
This is the comment from you on my entry:

Quoting Yuri Fassio
You posted a AMAZING build (basically one of the BEST Clone Wars battles I've ever seen), and you went through the effort of actually writing the storyline of a Clone Wars episode. Still, a single frame out of a whole episode is barely in theme ("Clone Wars - Create your own Clone Wars episode") so I can't really give this more than a 3. Too bad, since this is one of the few CW MOCs I really ilke.


That is my own story, everything is made up. Argus is not a real world in the Republic or Separatist for that matter, please explain
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| February 21, 2010, 7:32 pm
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Quoting Robo Man
This is the comment from you on my entry:

Quoting Yuri Fassio
You posted a AMAZING build (basically one of the BEST Clone Wars battles I've ever seen), and you went through the effort of actually writing the storyline of a Clone Wars episode. Still, a single frame out of a whole episode is barely in theme ("Clone Wars - Create your own Clone Wars episode") so I can't really give this more than a 3. Too bad, since this is one of the few CW MOCs I really ilke.


That is my own story, everything is made up. Argus is not a real world in the Republic or Separatist for that matter, please explain

You wrote the story, you bult the MOC, but you only MOCed one single frame out of your episode. For how much good, that wasn't enough to justify a 4th of even 5th point.
But it doesn't matter, anyway.
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| February 21, 2010, 8:36 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
You wrote the story, you bult the MOC, but you only MOCed one single frame out of your episode. For how much good, that wasn't enough to justify a 4th of even 5th point.
But it doesn't matter, anyway.


Ya but in the Category it doesn't state at all that I had to focus on many parts of that episode if so then that would be a Clone Wars comic or slide show or however you call it and not even that is mentioned. Look, if you didn't like it, I would understand why you gave me a 3, but you are judging based of something you assumed was an episode and not stated clearly in the category "Clone Wars"

From The Official Categories [Not altered]

Itís time for you to show those clone kiddies just how itís done! Create your own episode of the Clone Wars! This oneís pretty self explanatory. If you donít know, just search for clone wars and youíll have MORE than enough material to study.

So from that, am I really going to pull that you are suppose to do more than a single frame from that episode.
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| February 21, 2010, 8:55 pm
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Quoting Robo Man

Ya but in the Category it doesn't state at all that I had to focus on many parts of that episode if so then that would be a Clone Wars comic or slide show or however you call it and not even that is mentioned. Look, if you didn't like it, I would understand why you gave me a 3, but you are judging based of something you assumed was an episode and not stated clearly in the category "Clone Wars"

From The Official Categories [Not altered]

Itís time for you to show those clone kiddies just how itís done! Create your own episode of the Clone Wars! This oneís pretty self explanatory. If you donít know, just search for clone wars and youíll have MORE than enough material to study.

So from that, am I really going to pull that you are suppose to do more than a single frame from that episode.

You never know what a judge will like, or value. We're different people, each with his own scale of values. A "perfect formula" to appeal to us all does not exist.
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| February 21, 2010, 9:22 pm
The only thing I have to say here, is, Did we come here to learn photography? Are we here to judge how well someone can take a photo? Or are we here to Judge their Lego Creations? That is the question my friends... I have seen some good builds given low scores just because the photos didn't look like they were taken by A national geographic photographer. I think Instead of focusing on how well the pictures are taken, we need to focus on the build.

That's all I have to say. Thank you

Mech Man
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| February 22, 2010, 12:44 pm
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Quoting Keith Goldman
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From a judging perspective, it is difficult to judge what you can't see clearly. I personally get irritated when I see blurry photos because it sends me a message that the builder couldn't be bothered to spend a moment on presentation.
...
It really isn't that difficult to get decent results, so anything less seems lazy.


Amen.
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| February 22, 2010, 7:19 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio (from a comment on my Vig/orama reviews)
And, WOW man! You're obsessed with picture quality... It almost sounds like to you every MOCer should be a professional photographer as a basic requirement to even stand a chance.


What do you think of my "obsession" now, Fassio? Helps to be able to see what you're judging, doesn't it?
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| February 22, 2010, 9:19 pm
Sort ya penalty system out! I'm sick of ratting on DQs you guys miss, just for the offending builder to receive the "penalty" of being encouraged to "withhold" their "entries" 'til later on (a tactic they'd never come up with on their own, as they clearly can't even follow basic instructions/stipulations).

Yours in the spirit of the Athalon,

Chuke
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| February 22, 2010, 11:12 pm
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Quoting Shannon Young
Quoting Yuri Fassio (from a comment on my Vig/orama reviews)
And, WOW man! You're obsessed with picture quality... It almost sounds like to you every MOCer should be a professional photographer as a basic requirement to even stand a chance.


What do you think of my "obsession" now, Fassio? Helps to be able to see what you're judging, doesn't it?

Indeed. I fear it may be contageous!
People, STAY AWAY FROM US!
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| February 22, 2010, 11:52 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman

This is an odd hobby. If you want to be a part of the online hobby, you have to also be at least competent in another hobby...photography. If you want people to look at and potentially comment on your MOCs you have the best chance of success with clear, well lit photographs.

From a judging perspective, it is difficult to judge what you can't see clearly. I personally get irritated when I see blurry photos because it sends me a message that the builder couldn't be bothered to spend a moment on presentation. As for scoring, unless the photos are really bad the most I would deduct is a point.

I deduct most points for lack of creativity, and lack of technique, so if you received a low score from me, it proably had little to do with the photography.

To me whining about photography in a MOC contest is like complaining about penmanship in a hand written essay.

Photography is a form of communication, and the better you are at it, the better the chance of getting your MOC across to the public.

It really isn't that difficult to get decent results, so anything less seems lazy.





Ok, thanks, I was just a little confused with one ore two really good looking builds getting low scores, and I assumed that it was because of poor photography. Thanks for you quick answer
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| February 23, 2010, 12:50 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
As for players being told to withhold their entries, I believe you, but I'd like a link to an example. I can't remember a single time I've said that to a player.

Sorry, the way I worded it made it a bit kryptic. All I was getting at, was that the penalty for a DQ at the moment is a 7 day ban from posting entries. Which just seems a bit redundant as a sanction, to me. 0 points is enough of one, surely?

If any of us had any sense we'd all hold back posting 'til the eleventh hour (I'm under no illusion, that this isn't what many folk are doing, anyway).

Anyroad, I'll stop being my usual "sticking my oar in at every opportunity" self, for now...
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| February 23, 2010, 7:29 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Indeed. I fear it may be contageous!
People, STAY AWAY FROM US!


That works with me...
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| February 23, 2010, 8:25 am
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Quoting Chuke Lapman
Sorry, the way I worded it made it a bit kryptic. All I was getting at, was that the penalty for a DQ at the moment is a 7 day ban from posting entries. Which just seems a bit redundant as a sanction, to me. 0 points is enough of one, surely?

If any of us had any sense we'd all hold back posting 'til the eleventh hour (I'm under no illusion, that this isn't what many folk are doing, anyway).

Anyroad, I'll stop being my usual "sticking my oar in at every opportunity" self, for now...


The seven day (7/7) suspension was our attempt to not DQ players all together, which is the alternative.

These suspensions have only been handed out in a handful of instances where infractions of the rules were great enough to warrant an actual DQ from the games. However, it was thought that the intention of the player was not to cheat. Rather, their actions were an honest mistake. The benefit of the doubt was given, in every instance so far, and the player suspended instead.

Sure beats the heck out of a DQ from the games period does it not?

As for 'holding back', that would be painfully easy (if that is the right word) to remedy if there was a major infraction of the rules. All of the mocs posted by said individual would be subject to the suspension. The individual would receive zero or a DQ from the games, as this would appear as an obvious attempt to cheat.

We aren't trying to make these games less fun, we are just trying to keep them fair.

Lee

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| February 23, 2010, 10:00 am
It seems to me that not all of the judges have been scoring all of the creations. I don't know if this is an accidental oversight or what have you, just thought I should point it out.
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| February 23, 2010, 7:09 pm
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Quoting Cameron G.
It seems to me that not all of the judges have been scoring all of the creations. I don't know if this is an accidental oversight or what have you, just thought I should point it out.

It's more than possible. The 'pages are dead slow these days and so some of us may have missed something along the way.
Don't worry, by the end of the games you'll see the 4 of us will be present in every entry :)
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| February 23, 2010, 7:36 pm
^Thanks Yuri. I was a little worried that entries might not be getting judged for some reason or another. The 'pages definitely have been slow recently.
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| February 23, 2010, 7:58 pm
What I don't get is really why I got a ONE on the Biosystem MOC. I find it unfair that Mask's MOC, which showed that he barely put any time into it, got twos and threes, when clearly, mine was more detailed, larger, and had a large effort put towards it. Also, when you put up the Official Categories a while back, in the Biosystem theme, it said,"...Bionicle parts should be 30 to 70% of the MOC." And I did not understand that "System" meant the Lego brand in general, and you never clarified what system was in the categories. What I thought "System" was, was the Technic brand.(http://www.bricklink.com/browseList.asp?itemType=S&catString=36)


(I never meant to offend masked, I was only trying to use him as an example. So, sorry if anyone, specifically Masked, was deeply hurt or felt insulted.)
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| February 23, 2010, 8:44 pm
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Quoting Legoz R Us
What I don't get is really why I got a ONE on the Biosystem MOC. I find it unfair that Mask's MOC, which showed that he barely put any time into it, got twos and threes, when clearly, mine was more detailed, larger, and had a large effort put towards it. Also, when you put up the Official Categories a while back, in the Biosystem theme, it said,"...Bionicle parts should be 30 to 70% of the MOC." And I did not understand that "System" meant the Lego brand in general, and you never clarified what system was in the categories. What I thought "System" was, was the Technic brand.

Yes, I know what you're saying. I thought I was more than exhaustive in my judging, though.
You know, it's never easy for a judge to rate down a great build for a technicality, but this commitment does call for it, sometimes.
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| February 23, 2010, 11:20 pm
Because of the difference in number of MOCs already done between teams, I went ahead and calculated (it's rounded to the hundredths place) the average points per MOC for each team. You'll find the rankings to be similar, but this, at least for the earlier rounds, shows the real MOC quality, not quantity, of each team. My rankings are thus:

1.Quinqueviri - 16.71
2.Legion Of Virile Energetic Moccers Unified For Frivolous Ingenious Naughtiness (The Dream Team) - 15.5
3.Eurobricks (sic) Finest, 15
4.Team Tile - 13.67
5.Team Pride - 11.57
6.Golden Archers - 11.83
7.Golden Relievers - 10.8
8.Triangulate This - 10.57
9.Squid Suc-kers - 10.5
10.Praeclari Miles - 10.3
11.Terrorificante Triangulo Diabolico - 9.83
12.Team 1 - 8.82
13.REGM D - 7.8
14.Juvenile Delinquents - 7.57
15.The Enterprisers - 6.5
16.The Underdogs - 5.57
17.Total Annihilation - 5.33
18.The Team With No Name - 4

As you can see, Team Quinqueviri still tops the leaderboard. In my opinion, this was not unexpected. Upon first viewing the team list, and after taking my eyes off the incredible lineup that is the "Dream Team", I spotted this team and knew this was a force that would emerge to be a leading opponent. With plenty of MOC's already uploaded, it also holds an impressive 16.71 some average points per MOC. Now, thats quantity with quality together! And no surprise there: right behind is the "Dream Team" with 15.5 points per MOC. I mean no offense to other groups, but a good chunk of the AFOL pool got sucked into these two teams at the top of the chain. I'm sure that the "Dream Team" (did they name themselves that and then make the longer name I'd rather not even copy, paste?) has heard enough about how rigged the teams appear and other rantings, so I'll move on. Currently taking the third place is Eurobricks Finest with a flat 15. They are actually very very close behind the "Dream Team", but with one MOC, it may turn out to be an outlier, and they have a lot of room to change that statistic. I'm not going to go into too much more detail but I'd like to point out the massed number of 10-11 points per MOC scores. It seems to be the middle of the pack and any one of them can rise to overtake each other. It's always a close game in the middle. Most in this grouping have between 5 and 7 MOCs completed and are equal in that respect as well. We can expect this to be close up until the end, but they have a long ladder to climb to top either the "Dream Team" or Quinqueviri.

Quinqueviri is farther along in number of MOCs than the "Dream Team" and so their score will remain more static than the "Dream Team"'s. I'm pretty sure that Phipson's group is "pausing for dramatic effect" in his halt to post MOCs. Their score will be changing up or down unless they keep a fairly constant score of around 15.

In my honest opinion, I see it as a two team shoot out for first, but a real close competition for 3rd. The real exciting news will be coming in from one of those 10-11 pointers, who will rise above the rest of the their group in points. Third is not too hard to claim, and can go to anyone in that pack! Good MOCing! Good night!

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| February 25, 2010, 1:08 am
I'd like to whine about a comment, a very very long comment, that I had attempted to post (by my mistake) in this thread about the current standings. I had written out the average points per MOC for each group to give a more realistic account of who has more points per MOC, not just overall points. By doing overall points, you can simply make a lot of MOCs and then post them fast to get less points, but more MOCs. Its quality, not quantity, for this game right? anyway, I spent about 20 minutes working on that comment and it said comment pending. It has yet to show up! I'm confused, can someone help my understand what's going on?
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| February 25, 2010, 10:43 am
Quoting Gus Indo
I'd like to whine about a comment, a very very long comment, that I had attempted to post (by my mistake) in this thread about the current standings. I had written out the average points per MOC for each group to give a more realistic account of who has more points per MOC, not just overall points. By doing overall points, you can simply make a lot of MOCs and then post them fast to get less points, but more MOCs. Its quality, not quantity, for this game right? anyway, I spent about 20 minutes working on that comment and it said comment pending. It has yet to show up! I'm confused, can someone help my understand what's going on?


True, but I think it's fairly (to a certain degree) balanced as the are four judges thus, by building a 20 point entry, you'll get 8 points more than a 12 point one (average 3 points each judge) and if you get all 4s, you'll still have 4 points more etc. Of course if someone builds two 12 point entry, he'll have more than a single 20 point entry, which makes it (well sort of) even so that really good builders can't simply build one or two entry and call it game over... at least that's my five cents... (or was it two cents?)
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| February 25, 2010, 11:01 am
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Quoting Gus Indo
I'd like to whine about a comment, a very very long comment, that I had attempted to post (by my mistake) in this thread about the current standings. I had written out the average points per MOC for each group to give a more realistic account of who has more points per MOC, not just overall points. By doing overall points, you can simply make a lot of MOCs and then post them fast to get less points, but more MOCs. Its quality, not quantity, for this game right? anyway, I spent about 20 minutes working on that comment and it said comment pending. It has yet to show up! I'm confused, can someone help my understand what's going on?

The message always sais that your comment is pending, whether it's being moderated or simply deleted. I had a few problems with that myself :(
About your question: it works in theory and it surely is a sound strategy (I though about it when I considered joining). But be careful about zeros! Because when you get one, that category is blocked until your team completes them all.
The most important thing has always been reading the categories carefully before starting building and remembering the rules.
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| February 25, 2010, 6:37 pm
I suppose that I didn't realize there was no limit for amount of MOCs. My average points per MOC only works if in the end everyone has the same amount of MOCs. I suppose everyone will try to finish as much as they can by the deadline, but if they don't all finish, then Mr. Goldman's list still stands.
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| February 25, 2010, 7:16 pm
Not whining, but complimenting: I believe the judging has been consistent and even-handed. Sure some teams are doing better than others, which is to be expected, but the judges are putting a lot of time and thought into looking at everything and trying to be fair. There have been some great models (and some not so great - - - ahem, the WGAS Hydro Ferry) but as long as we're all doing this for fun and our love of the hobby then that's all that matters.

*applauds judges, then throws rotten tomatoes at the leading teams
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| February 25, 2010, 7:19 pm
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Quoting Gus Indo
Because of the difference in number of MOCs already done between teams, I went ahead and calculated (it's rounded to the hundredths place) the average points per MOC for each team. You'll find the rankings to be similar, but this, at least for the earlier rounds, shows the real MOC quality, not quantity, of each team. My rankings are thus:


Wahoo Chris! Way to wreck that curve!

Wait... what?

Quoting Gus Indo
I'm sure that the "Dream Team" (did they name themselves that and then make the longer name I'd rather not even copy, paste?) has heard enough about how rigged the teams appear and other rantings, so I'll move on.


No actually, we didn't name ourselves that. if you go back and check the comments, the name "Dream Team" was kinda placed on us. The "official" team name (you can shorten it to "Team LOVEMUFFIN" so you don't have to type out the whole thing) was decided upon later.

Quoting Gus Indo
I'm pretty sure that Phipson's group is "pausing for dramatic effect" in his halt to post MOCs. Their score will be changing up or down unless they keep a fairly constant score of around 15.


Time will tell. Let's just say that we haven't been sitting on our thumbs for the past week... as much fun as that would be. Or maybe we ARE just that slow. I'd opt for the later on that.

Not bad putting all that together. That being said however, you gotta remember that average score per moc really has no relevance when you take into account the whole "post more (good) mocs, get more points" thing.

It is interesting to see the average score per moc though. Nice work.

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| February 25, 2010, 11:05 pm
Thank you Chris! I did figure you'd be holding in some MOCs for a powerhouse week or something. Yup, I'm the official MOCathalon spectator. The whole average points per MOC is mostly for fun and shows how the quality is without the quantity. When I originally wrote the comment I was under the impression there was some sort of limit and so everyone would max that out by the time it's over. I see how this works now, and therefore, total points is more realistic.
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| February 26, 2010, 12:24 am
Quoting Dennis Price
*applauds judges, then throws rotten tomatoes at the leading teams


Ouch, ouch, ouch, no wait a minute let me change out of my suit first! Ouch, ouch...
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| February 26, 2010, 7:08 am
Quoting Gus Indo
I'm the official MOCathalon spectator.


How interesting.
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| February 26, 2010, 9:20 am
It's weird.
I've only been in one contest, although I know what wins, but I still feel like I've been in a handful.
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| February 26, 2010, 8:31 pm
Ok, sure. Look, about the questions answered, I just got in here to watch. I didn't read the conversation much, but I still get that this is the MOC Athalon, and that you all want the best to win. See you next time, I guess, if there is a next time.
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| February 26, 2010, 8:48 pm
"I suppose you could be a home-schooler, but you didn't mention Jesus." So true (no offence to all my home-schooled/Christian fans).
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| February 26, 2010, 8:59 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman

I'm down with the J-man as well, no offense intended to you of the faith. I did intend to offend the relatively small percentage of home-schoolers on this site who appear to be incapable of even basic spelling and grammar.


Please do understand that those home-schoolers who are can't even show the slightest bit of reading comprehension don't represent all of us...
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| February 27, 2010, 11:21 am
Shoot! I misplaced a word and I can't edit it since it's "pending"... so I guess I'm whining about that...
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| February 27, 2010, 11:37 am
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Quoting 000 000

Please do understand that those home-schoolers who are can't even show the slightest bit of reading comprehension don't represent all of us...


Quoting 000 000
Shoot! I misplaced a word and I can't edit it since it's "pending"... so I guess I'm whining about that...


That's ok. I thought the grammatical mistake was so funny, that it had to be let through. Now stop yacking, and get building you pansy - as far as I can tell your suspension is over.

Lee

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| February 27, 2010, 11:58 am
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Now it's my turn to whine.
Over 2 weeks, 207 comments, and almost nobody returned visit, to any of us.
To those who did, thanks :)
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| February 28, 2010, 7:57 pm
I'm whining about this:

I asked if it is mandatory to build a realy existing building in `architectureī. I got this answer
Quoting Lee Jones
if you want to maximize your points from all of the judges, then it would be a very wise strategy to choose a real building.

Lee

To me this means it's BETTER to build something real existing, but NOT REQUIRED.


As far as I know zero points means DQ'd. I got zero points from Mr. Fassio on my architecture entry (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189289).

I didn't build something real, but as long as that is not required (just better) he should have given me at least one point. (the other judges gave more than zero)
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| March 1, 2010, 10:35 am
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Quoting Louis K.
To me this means it's BETTER to build something real existing, but NOT REQUIRED.


As far as I know zero points means DQ'd. I got zero points from Mr. Fassio on my architecture entry (http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189289).

I didn't build something real, but as long as that is not required (just better) he should have given me at least one point. (the other judges gave more than zero)


My response on your moc, in case you (again) didn't bother to read:

Louis K.

Lee Jones
March 1, 2010
I see, even after I answered your question that you chose to not heed the answer. It would seem, after looking back at the answer, that it wasn't that clear. As such, I will let this one slide. I too will grant you four (4) points, but Dave may not be so generous and Yuri's zero stands.

The link to the categories:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=10206&topicid=44267

The category for your convenience:
14) Lego Architecture
Create a model of a FAMOUS BUILDING or landmark in the Lego Architecture style (this should be micro or nano scale).

"FAMOUS BUILDING" highlighted for your convenience.

The categories have been clearly posted, it would appear that both Keith and I missed the "FAMOUS BUILDING" part. Yuri's zero stands. I felt bad that I could have mislead you - I gave you a four.

At any rate, you chose to ignore my advice, even after it was given. You took a chance - and blew it. Be thankful for what you did get and move on.

Lee
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| March 1, 2010, 11:45 am
Quoting Lee Jones

OK, then I misunderstood this. I'm sorry, I'll accept that.
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| March 1, 2010, 1:01 pm
Yuri, if you don't mind expanding on why you gave me a 3 on my conceptual build it would be greatly appreciated. The other three judges gave it a 5 and you didn't mention anything wrong with it....so was just confused as to what knocked it down 2 points. Thanks for taking the time man.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189096
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| March 1, 2010, 2:53 pm
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor
Yuri, if you don't mind expanding on why you gave me a 3 on my conceptual build it would be greatly appreciated. The other three judges gave it a 5 and you didn't mention anything wrong with it....so was just confused as to what knocked it down 2 points. Thanks for taking the time man.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189096

I'm there now. Sorry, the concept/story was worth AT LEAST a 4, but the build was little more than basic (not unlike my thinships, which I designed because I can't build!), and the pics few and dark, so i had to compromise and put a 3.
I didn't even get around to see the other's votes until now, and this time it's me who's wondering what happened there... I saw Keith crush better MOCs than this for fewer reasons. Maybe I simply saw something in this the other didn't, or they saw something I didn't.
Again, sorry for not being more exhaustive there (You know I usually am) but I had a sheetload of MOCs to judge that time. If you wish, I'll add this to my comment there.
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| March 1, 2010, 6:51 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
I'm there now. Sorry, the concept/story was worth AT LEAST a 4, but the build was little more than basic (not unlike my thinships, which I designed because I can't build!), and the pics few and dark, so i had to compromise and put a 3.
I didn't even get around to see the other's votes until now, and this time it's me who's wondering what happened there... I saw Keith crush better MOCs than this for fewer reasons. Maybe I simply saw something in this the other didn't, or they saw something I didn't.
Again, sorry for not being more exhaustive there (You know I usually am) but I had a sheetload of MOCs to judge that time. If you wish, I'll add this to my comment there.


Thanks Yuri. Good enough for me. Just wasn't sure if you typed in the wrong number or not. :P
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| March 2, 2010, 1:40 am
I'm curious when my latest entry will be judged. I've been waiting a whole day (and I'm pulling my hair out).
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| March 2, 2010, 8:15 am
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Quoting Flare .
I'm curious when my latest entry will be judged. I've been waiting a whole day (and I'm pulling my hair out).


Trichotillomania?

Can't speak for the others, but I am up to my eyeballs in sick people in the ER.

Back to serving the sick (real life supersedes in this case).

Lee
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| March 2, 2010, 4:42 pm
Quoting Lee Jones

Trichotillomania?

Can't speak for the others, but I am up to my eyeballs in sick people in the ER.

Back to serving the sick (real life supersedes in this case).

Lee


Just don't let them touch your eyeballs dude...that would make YOU sick!
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| March 2, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Heath 'kik36' Flor

Just don't let them touch your eyeballs dude...that would make YOU sick!


Make me sick? Just wait until we meet in Chicago, then you will realize that I have been a very sick man for a very long time ;-)

Lee

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| March 3, 2010, 1:01 am
I feel like I was voted unfairly in my clone wars entry. I know this won't change anything, but I just... I mean, I'm getting the same score as this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189826

There is a huge quality difference!
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| March 4, 2010, 8:57 am
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Quoting Flare .
I feel like I was voted unfairly in my clone wars entry. I know this won't change anything, but I just... I mean, I'm getting the same score as this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189826

There is a huge quality difference!


You're right - it wont change anything. And are you so sure there such a big quality difference between the two mocs?

Lee
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| March 4, 2010, 10:36 am
Quoting Lee Jones

You're right - it wont change anything. And are you so sure there such a big quality difference between the two mocs?

Lee



Dearness yes.
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| March 4, 2010, 11:24 am
Quoting Lee Jones

Make me sick? Just wait until we meet in Chicago, then you will realize that I have been a very sick man for a very long time ;-)

Lee


I'm going in disguise as Dave Sterling. Oh wait.....
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| March 4, 2010, 3:17 pm
My camra is so complicated, so, sorry for the blurry pictures. :P
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| March 4, 2010, 5:44 pm
Quoting Flare .
I feel like I was voted unfairly in my clone wars entry. I know this won't change anything, but I just... I mean, I'm getting the same score as this: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189826

There is a huge quality difference!

Definitely true.... I can tell which one's better, can't you? Shame you're getting higher than 1s. ;)
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| March 4, 2010, 8:16 pm
Quoting Ryan T.
Definitely true.... I can tell which one's better, can't you? Shame you're getting higher than 1s. ;)


LOL >:P
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| March 4, 2010, 9:01 pm
Quoting Flare .

LOL >:P

Is it possible to be laughing and freaking out with anger at the same time? That seems so much like an oxymoron.... Everything has some crazy scientific term, like pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. Ya know?
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| March 4, 2010, 9:35 pm
I don't know where to put this, but I found that using sports mode on your camera (at least for me) improves focus because the shutter speed is increased, thus minimizing the effect of a shaky hand... not sure if this goes for all cameras though...
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| March 4, 2010, 10:36 pm
Yuri, I have defended the judges against accusations of favoritism towards AFOLs, but now I have a problem. The first legitimate 20 pointer by a YFOL http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189728, will not get that joy because you felt he deserved a 4. Why? Honestly, what would he have had to do to get it from you? Ride it? Yes, he is my teammate, but that has NOTHING to do with it. I would STILL be writing this if he were on another team; he's 12. Could you pull that off? This REALLY bummed me out and I would gladly trade my 20 pointer for that kid to have gotten in the club.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 1:18 am
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Quoting Hans Dendauw
Yuri, I have defended the judges against accusations of favoritism towards AFOLs, but now I have a problem. The first legitimate 20 pointer by a YFOL http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/189728, will not get that joy because you felt he deserved a 4. Why? Honestly, what would he have had to do to get it from you? Ride it? Yes, he is my teammate, but that has NOTHING to do with it. I would STILL be writing this if he were on another team; he's 12. Could you pull that off? This REALLY bummed me out and I would gladly trade my 20 pointer for that kid to have gotten in the club.~H


The young man did do an excellent job to be sure. I just about gave him four points myself if the truth be told, but it was the extra touch of the 'bolt heads' that put if over the top - for me.

He scored 19/20 points. 95%. This is an excellent score, and likely one of the highest for a pre-teen. This is nothing to sneeze at. Your defense of his moc, good intentions aside, would seem to belittle his efforts. He did an excellent job. He does not need defending; he put out his best to be judged. He was judged by four judges. Four separate people in three different countries. And he still received a score of 95%. A better than dang good score.

Chris has left me in charge of these games, and as such I am ultimately responsible for all scores and decisions. It is very much a democratic process though, and the threads in the judges group run deep with discussion; as do g-chats and emails.

Not that Yuri needs me to defend his decision. I am sure he will do so himself. However, I do stand behind both him and his decision. As I do behind all of the judges.

And if anyone doesn't think that I am serious about standing behind the judges, then just ask Dave Sterling. He'll tell you I am very good when I am behind - especially in the men's room ;-)

As for the skateboard. Kid - you did good. Be proud of your 95% - you earned it!

Lee

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| March 5, 2010, 2:03 am
I do not argue what you say, I simply feel that this was a real opportunity missed. As you said, he DID go the extra mile to get your vote, I just want to know what kept Yuri from giving it to him. I've said everything you did about the diversity of the judges and their tastes, checks and balances, all of that, right here for everyone to see. As for this belittling his efforts, I have to respectfully disagree. I think that using Sean Kenney's name in reference to a 12 year old's creation and then give it a 4? I just want to hear from him how that jives. You can't argue how cool it would be for the YFOLs on here to have one of their own in the 20 point club. Again, I would trade my 20 any day, for ANY 12 year old, that builds like that. It's not about points for my team or winning prizes with this, it's about the spirit of what these games are about. I still respect the heck out of ALL the judges for what they're doing and maybe I'm just looking at this from the wrong angle, but this is the soap box I choose and this was the forum where I could express it. Thank you for taking the time to respond and play on!~H
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| March 5, 2010, 2:35 am
Yes, I have heard how well you work back there. LOL~H
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| March 5, 2010, 2:37 am
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Quoting Hans Dendauw
I do not argue what you say, I simply feel that this was a real opportunity missed. As you said, he DID go the extra mile to get your vote, I just want to know what kept Yuri from giving it to him. I've said everything you did about the diversity of the judges and their tastes, checks and balances, all of that, right here for everyone to see. As for this belittling his efforts, I have to respectfully disagree. I think that using Sean Kenney's name in reference to a 12 year old's creation and then give it a 4? I just want to hear from him how that jives. You can't argue how cool it would be for the YFOLs on here to have one of their own in the 20 point club. Again, I would trade my 20 any day, for ANY 12 year old, that builds like that. It's not about points for my team or winning prizes with this, it's about the spirit of what these games are about. I still respect the heck out of ALL the judges for what they're doing and maybe I'm just looking at this from the wrong angle, but this is the soap box I choose and this was the forum where I could express it. Thank you for taking the time to respond and play on!~H

Sorry man, it's simply that to ensure fair judging most of the times I try not to look at the name of the builder. I do it only if I recognize the style immediately or if my eyes slip for a second (and even in that case, I try not to keep in under account), and I never read the other judges' votes before posting mine.
As for the "Sean Kenney" reference, it's true I felt that way, but I'm not a big fan of his work outside fig-scale. In the end, had the kid used some big wheels or a different, "curvier" technique for his skate's wheels, he would have gotten that last point for sure.
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| March 5, 2010, 8:55 am
First, thank you for responding and from what I can tell, not getting bent about it. Now, as for your response, I find it hard to believe that you didn't know who built it when there was a picture of the kid holding the board; kinda hard not to notice. I guess I AM looking at this wrong, because I thought there WAS at least a bit of a curve when it came down to judging the younger kids; they usually don't have nearly the pieces or experience that the AFOLs and some of the TFOLs have. I am not saying that the judging is outrageously inconsistent by any stretch, you've all been pretty consistent. I AM saying that I want a YFOL, ANY YFOL, to make it into the club, for legitimate reasons, and I thought this was the one. However, the biggest reason I wanted to bring this up, is that you gave him no reason for the 4, after comparing his creation to a Kenney. How is he supposed to know what he would have had to do to make it better? I figured the wheels were your biggest issue, but the CURVE? Seriously? I've skateboarded and it certainly looked pretty curvy, on BOTH ends. But that's all preference and I understand judging is like that. I just wanted to give my 2 cents on behalf of the kids who are all working hard and feel they are getting slighted. If the judging is set up to have NO consideration for WHO built it or what they are working with, then so be it. Personally, I don't agree with that, but I'm not a judge and it's not my contest. As for Joshua's creation, I just have a hard time believing that ANYBODY could have done better, even you. Again, thank you for taking the time to listen to my rant, I respect you all and just want this to be as great as it can be. Food for thought, I hope.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 11:11 am
I think the judges are being as fair as possible. VYB Builder is only 10, but she is not being given any slack because of that and I do not expect her to get any. She is tough, so honest critiques of her stuff has helped her a lot. That being said, the skateboard was really awesome.
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| March 5, 2010, 11:56 am
Quoting Mister Bones
I think the judges are being as fair as possible. VYB Builder is only 10, but she is not being given any slack because of that and I do not expect her to get any. She is tough, so honest critiques of her stuff has helped her a lot. That being said, the skateboard was really awesome.


Good, they shouldn't give anyone any slack. Except me, of course. :P
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| March 5, 2010, 11:59 am
I'm not saying the skateboard needed any slack for the fact that he is 12, I'm saying that the fact he's 12 makes it that much more AWESOME! I couldn't have pulled it off, I KNOW Bones couldn't pull it off (LOL)and I just wonder what it WOULD take for a kid to get into the elusive Club?~H
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| March 5, 2010, 12:40 pm
Quoting Flare .

Good, they shouldn't give anyone any slack. Except me, of course. :P

If you had built that skateboard, I'd be making this argument for you.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 12:43 pm
Quoting Hans Dendauw
If you had built that skateboard, I'd be making this argument for you.~H


I was referring to VYB Builder. :) Thanks though.
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| March 5, 2010, 12:53 pm
Quoting Flare .

I was referring to VYB Builder. :) Thanks though.

Hahaha, if she had made it, I would be making the argument for her. Keep up your good work.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 1:07 pm
I don't want ANYONE patronized, just recognized.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 1:09 pm
Quoting Hans Dendauw
I'm not saying the skateboard needed any slack for the fact that he is 12, I'm saying that the fact he's 12 makes it that much more AWESOME! I couldn't have pulled it off, I KNOW Bones couldn't pull it off (LOL)and I just wonder what it WOULD take for a kid to get into the elusive Club?~H

Dude, I could not build that if it came with instructions.
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| March 5, 2010, 1:31 pm
Quoting Hans Dendauw
Hahaha, if she had made it, I would be making the argument for her. Keep up your good work.~H


LOL, I can imagine this in the future:

Saint Hans, saint of Children & LEGO blocks
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| March 5, 2010, 1:55 pm
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Quoting Mister Bones
I think the judges are being as fair as possible. VYB Builder is only 10, but she is not being given any slack because of that and I do not expect her to get any. She is tough, so honest critiques of her stuff has helped her a lot. That being said, the skateboard was really awesome.


All builders are treated equal - regardless of sex/race/age. I do not differentiate, nor do I curve my scoring. That is why it is the team effort, and not an individual's effort, that will win the day.

This is also a great educational opportunity - giving falsely inflated scores benefits no one. Pointing out flaws in building, presentation, photography, etc; however, will educate.

Hans is right, it is very likely some of the kids feel like they are getting no respect - many of their builds, however, do not warrant said respect. If one is to learn from one's errors, correct mistakes, accept advice, then come back with a build that thoughtful and well executed, then the respect will come.

These games are a great way to get judges to give advice to these young builders. They will receive the advice that they desire. I will give kudos where they are due, and I will slam those that refuse to learn.

Lee
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| March 5, 2010, 4:22 pm
Quoting Lee Jones

and I will slam those that refuse to learn.

Lee

Hmmm.....slam like you did to Phipson in Chicago? Oops.....what happens in Chicago, stays in Chicago. Seriously, I agree, these are good games for teaching and learning teamwork. One of the best comments I have had so far was from Keith on my landscape saying it was a step backward for me, he was right. Thick skin people, no one is perfect. That being said, I leave for holiday in an hour, so you all behave as well as you can until my return!
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| March 5, 2010, 4:29 pm
Quoting Lee Jones
... However, I do stand behind both him and his decision. As I do behind all of the judges.


Dang, them 3 gittin' it from behind...

Quoting Lee Jones
And if anyone doesn't think that I am serious about standing behind the judges, then just ask Dave Sterling. He'll tell you I am very good when I am behind - especially in the men's room ;-)


That can't be a medical examination...
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| March 5, 2010, 4:42 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
That being said, I leave for holiday in an hour, so you all behave as well as you can until my return!


Cya Bones! Have fun!
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| March 5, 2010, 6:54 pm
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Quoting Hans Dendauw
...However, the biggest reason I wanted to bring this up, is that you gave him no reason for the 4, after comparing his creation to a Kenney...

This was my comment: "This looks like something Sean Kenney would build... 4 points! (yeah, I'm not really a fan of brick-made wheels, even in HIS builds)."
I think i pointed that out pretty clearly...
Well, enough said. Let's get back to the games.
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| March 5, 2010, 7:05 pm
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Quoting Mister Bones
Dude, I could not build that if it came with instructions.

(Neither could I)
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| March 5, 2010, 7:16 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
This was my comment: "This looks like something Sean Kenney would build... 4 points! (yeah, I'm not really a fan of brick-made wheels, even in HIS builds)."
I think i pointed that out pretty clearly...
Well, enough said. Let's get back to the games.

Fair enough, you would give Sean Kenney a 4. Thanks again for listening. It's not like I think any less of you, I couldn't possibly! LOL That WAS a joke. You're a good dude.~H
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| March 5, 2010, 11:41 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
Dude, I could not build that if it came with instructions.

That's why I love ya, man, you're sense of humor. I got a genuine LOL from that one!~H
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| March 5, 2010, 11:47 pm
Quoting Mister Bones
One of the best comments I have had so far was from Keith on my landscape saying it was a step backward for me, he was right. Thick skin people, no one is perfect.

Don't I know it. I was surprised he gave me a 3 on my Atlantis. LOL I thought I'd get a 2 from him, but he really must have liked my crab-bot. I just haven't figured out how to diversify my sea-beds and make them more interesting for someone of his caliber to not be bored with. Since he reviewed an earlier underwater piece of mine a time ago, I knew he'd be a tough one!~H
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| March 5, 2010, 11:54 pm
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Quoting Hans Dendauw
Don't I know it. I was surprised he gave me a 3 on my Atlantis. LOL I thought I'd get a 2 from him, but he really must have liked my crab-bot. I just haven't figured out how to diversify my sea-beds and make them more interesting for someone of his caliber to not be bored with. Since he reviewed an earlier underwater piece of mine a time ago, I knew he'd be a tough one!~H

You still need to explain to me how the hydrogen weapon works.. lol!
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| March 5, 2010, 11:59 pm
Quoting Lee Jones

giving falsely inflated scores benefits no one. Pointing out flaws in building, presentation, photography, etc; however, will educate.
Lee

I am NOT asking for falsely inflated scores, by ANY stretch. I just see no problem with a borderline score being rounded UP for a kid. BTW, you have given good scores as motivation and I think it's cool, not belittling.~H
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| March 6, 2010, 12:03 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
You still need to explain to me how the hydrogen weapon works.. lol!

I was TOTALLY waiting for that! LMAO~H
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| March 6, 2010, 12:03 am
First, you get inebriated, then use your imagination!(I know, it was stoopid)~H
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| March 6, 2010, 12:05 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
My turn to groan about something. Enough with the mindlessly violent Clone Wars and Star Wars MOCs. Your carefull arangement of minifigs isn't interesting, and doesn't remotely capture the spirit of the old films. What I'm seeing again and again isnt' adventure or comedy, or action, its just boring. SW does have some quiet, more thoughtful scenes. I've only seen a couple of Clone Wars episodes, mostly because I'm a big fan of Samuri Jack. I don't remember the episodes being so idiodic and violent as what I'm seeing.

I am amazed you lasted this long, Kieth! I feel your pain and yes, there IS far more killing and violence in the cartoon series than any of the films we grew up with. Wait, does that make us old?! Arrgghhh!~H
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| March 6, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Quoting Hans Dendauw
Wait, does that make us old?! Arrgghhh!~H


More than you know... Now get outta my way whipper snappers, I gotta hoverround my backside down to the store for some metamucil and hearing aid batteries! Where did I put my teeth...
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| March 6, 2010, 11:53 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
My turn to groan about something. Enough with the mindlessly violent Clone Wars and Star Wars MOCs. Your carefull arangement of minifigs isn't interesting, and doesn't remotely capture the spirit of the old films. What I'm seeing again and again isnt' adventure or comedy, or action, its just boring. SW does have some quiet, more thoughtful scenes. I've only seen a couple of Clone Wars episodes, mostly because I'm a big fan of Samuri Jack. I don't remember the episodes being so idiodic and violent as what I'm seeing.

Also, regarding the "Landscape" category. I know the example mentions a "road through a valley", but enough with the roads through valleys. Don't be so literal.

I sort of disagree, as some of them do have work put into them, they just get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and end up with the one point score. ~Nick
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| March 6, 2010, 11:57 pm
Quoting Nick Shelton
I sort of disagree, as some of them do have work put into them, they just get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and end up with the one point score. ~Nick

Sorry, dude, you missed Saint Hans, Patron Saint of Kids and LEGO by a day. I'm back to the Dark Side now...LOL~H
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| March 7, 2010, 12:03 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
My turn to complain. If I see one more lame Clone Wars / Star Wars models I'm going to set fire to something. I've only seen the cartoon once or twice but I don't remember it being nothing but killing. I realize "Wars" plays a prominent role in both titles, but Star Wars used to be synonymous with ADVENTURE, not MURDER. The jedi's are all blood-drunk pschotics now, not peacefull warrior monks. The only way to get a high score from me in either of the SW categories is to get back to the droids, the comedy and the orginal spirit of the movies.


Looks like I forgot to mention mine took place in the alternate universe I created, which is implied by the last lines: "...what would have happened if Kenobi and Skywalker had succeeded in rescuing Chancellor Palpatine from the Invisible Hand."

But something tells me you picked up on that.
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| March 7, 2010, 1:25 am
@Goldman: My comment in direct response to yours was moderated, but I'm an impatient person in matters like this. It pretty much was directed at my entry (the whole adventure not murder thing?), and I agree. But it's an alternate universe, as implied by the final lines: "...what would have happened if Kenobi and Skywalker had succeeded in rescuing Chancellor Palpatine from the Invisible Hand."

So in it's defense, it's a twisted alteration of the Star Wars you hold dear. Just throwing that out there.
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| March 7, 2010, 1:29 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
@Goldman: My comment in direct response to yours was moderated, but I'm an impatient person in matters like this. It pretty much was directed at my entry (the whole adventure not murder thing?), and I agree. But it's an alternate universe, as implied by the final lines: "...what would have happened if Kenobi and Skywalker had succeeded in rescuing Chancellor Palpatine from the Invisible Hand."

So in it's defense, it's a twisted alteration of the Star Wars you hold dear. Just throwing that out there.

Hmm.... maybe if you entered it in "I can write better than George Lugas" instead of "clone Wars" and put those lines at the beginning, it would have worked better. At least I believe so.
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| March 7, 2010, 10:34 am
Quoting Hans Dendauw
Sorry, dude, you missed Saint Hans, Patron Saint of Kids and LEGO by a day. I'm back to the Dark Side now...LOL~H

XP
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| March 7, 2010, 10:47 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Hmm.... maybe if you entered it in "I can write better than George Lugas" instead of "clone Wars" and put those lines at the beginning, it would have worked better. At least I believe so.


Yea, that probably would have worked better. I don't think I was given that category as part of our team strategy though... Oh well.
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| March 7, 2010, 12:34 pm
I am angry because one of our team mates, Ryan Blackout, has done nothing.:(
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| March 7, 2010, 12:48 pm
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Alas! Heath is going to hate me as soon as I get to judge his latest entries... :(
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| March 7, 2010, 11:26 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Funny and original (in reference to the "Heads Are Gonna Roll" Top)! This deserves a full 4. I considered giving it more thanks to your appeal to my ego, but I thought it wouldn't be very fair of me, don't you?


I'm all for another point! XD
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| March 8, 2010, 12:28 am
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Alas! Heath is going to hate me as soon as I get to judge his latest entries... :(


If he will hate you, he will suffer the consequences! I'm for you, Yuri. :)
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| March 8, 2010, 1:04 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Alas! Heath is going to hate me as soon as I get to judge his latest entries... :(


Eh, I'm not gonna bite Yuri. Do what you gotta do.
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| March 8, 2010, 8:51 pm
Quoting Yuri Fassio
Alas! Heath is going to hate me as soon as I get to judge his latest entries... :(


Dont worry Yuri, we may think we have it bad, but I know how much work you do to run this contest and to judges, I am one of your fans! You do the really hard work for the contest. Thank you, and though your criticism may be hard to take, it improves all of our building skills.

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| March 9, 2010, 2:09 pm
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Quoting Joe P.
Would it be okay to join now?


Post moved. And no you cannot join now - the games are almost over. Keep an eye out next year.

Lee

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| March 12, 2010, 9:57 am
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Thought I would post this here so everyone could learn from this.

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/191492

My post:
25) Supermanís Interplanetary Zoo Build any creature you wish, real or fictitious. Show off your chops at creating forms, shapes and textures found in nature. The jellies saved you from a DQ though - zero (0) points. Nice build otherwise. Lee.

Ryan's response:
Quoting Ryan T.
If it isn't a DQ, then I don't understand why I'm getting a 0. In this MOC, it received high scores even through only a small fraction of it floated. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/187532 Just a bit annoyed because I worked so hard on this....


My response:
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=10206&topicid=44235 - Make sure you read the rules, and know them better than I do before you start to question me on them - DQ: disqualification. Cheating, such as plagiarism or reposting old mocs. Only the player in question will get a DQ, the team will live on. 0 Point: "Clone on a plate" type entries will be laughed at and you will not receive any points. Out of focus pictures, builds that don't match the theme, late entries, etc. I will point out the "builds that don't match the theme" to you for your convenience. You didn't build what was required - I gave you a zero. I left it open to the other judges as to how they would like to view your moc. Hope that helps.

Addendum:
I am not sure what your point was in linking to Phipson's moc that was both a superior build to yours and in a completely different category. However, may I suggest thinking before you respond.

Lee

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| March 12, 2010, 11:25 pm
Quoting Lee Jones
Addendum:
I am not sure what your point was in linking to Phipson's moc that was both a superior build to yours and in a completely different category. However, may I suggest thinking before you respond.

Lee
I didn't mean mine was better, but I learned my own lesson. :S Basically my point was that only the flume floated, and the jellyfish were.... Well, never mind, I guess I don't really care if I lose a few points. I might get disqualified if I keep talking.

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| March 13, 2010, 12:35 pm
Unless I miss my guess, it seems I've earned the bulk of my team's points. Therefore, the score is 50 some odd points for me vs. all the points the teams earned. Pretty dang good showing for a one-man band, so eat it, suckers!
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| March 13, 2010, 8:03 pm
I'm here whining because I just cleaned my room (before the Moc-Athalon) and now I'll have to clean it again...
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| March 13, 2010, 11:41 pm
Haha!
I know what you mean. My LEGO room is always picked up after I build something, but I will have a heck of a lot to take apart and sort now. :-D
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| March 13, 2010, 11:54 pm
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http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/191811

Quoting Flare .
Quoting Yuri Fassio . ... 2 points... this is just not what I was looking for in this category. I mean... these 2 sea-themes together seem quite uneventful. It simply looks "island xtreme".

I'm sorry, but Island Xtreme is NOT a sea-theme.


Flare:
You know man, every time I develop a bit of respect for you, you go and say something that wipes it away. http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6733-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6734-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6736-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6737-1 - Now granted these are all the ocean/sea related sets, but come on man. May I suggest a bit more thought before you retaliate? As for the moc - it is a major backslide in your building. Fine if you are just going for quick points, but not even up to your level of building. Two (2) points. Lee.
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| March 14, 2010, 12:58 am
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Quoting Dennis Price
Unless I miss my guess, it seems I've earned the bulk of my team's points. Therefore, the score is 50 some odd points for me vs. all the points the teams earned. Pretty dang good showing for a one-man band, so eat it, suckers!


Ya, but if you factor in that you built 12-mocs for the contest...

Lee

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| March 14, 2010, 1:02 am
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Quoting Ryan T.
Quoting Lee Jones
Addendum:
I am not sure what your point was in linking to Phipson's moc that was both a superior build to yours and in a completely different category. However, may I suggest thinking before you respond.

Lee
I didn't mean mine was better, but I learned my own lesson. :S Basically my point was that only the flume floated, and the jellyfish were.... Well, never mind, I guess I don't really care if I lose a few points. I might get disqualified if I keep talking.

You are not going to get disqualified for whining in the whining thread ;-)

But I think you missed the point again, as this is the question you should have asked in the beginning. It is a good and valid one too. The answer - from my point of view Chris exploited a loophole in the category. He exhibited both clever and lateral thinking in his interpretation of said category. At no point to did he breach the rules. His was, and is, a good clean build. His whole build can be factored into the scoring, in my opinion, because he built his own pool - not just the object to float in said pool - clever, darn clever.

I see now, that you were trying to emulate his lateral thinking to some extent - good for you. Nice to see people emulating clever people. Yours, in my opinion, was way off target with respects to meeting the requirements of the category. Sticking trans flames in trans dishes is clever, but not that clever. In your case, I only rated the jellies. To me it was a 'clone on a plate' type post, and you didn't really build within the category. I awarded zero points, but did not DQ you.

Hopefully this will clarify my thinking for you.

Lee.
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| March 14, 2010, 3:12 am
Quoting Lee Jones

Ya, but if you factor in that you built 12-mocs for the contest...

Lee

I see that 1 + 1 still equals 3 in Canada . . .
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| March 14, 2010, 8:59 am
Quoting Lee Jones
I'm sorry, but Island Xtreme is NOT a sea-theme.


Flare:
You know man, every time I develop a bit of respect for you, you go and say something that wipes it away. http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6733-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6734-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6736-1 - http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=6737-1 - Now granted these are all the ocean/sea related sets, but come on man. May I suggest a bit more thought before you retaliate? As for the moc - it is a major backslide in your building. Fine if you are just going for quick points, but not even up to your level of building. Two (2) points. Lee.


I'm sorry.
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| March 14, 2010, 9:21 am
Im complaining Casue One of our teamates computers is old, and he has no way to upload the 12 so creations he has for the contest. :(
And I'm hungry. And I keep having nightmares that I build this awesome MOC and then Kieth Comes and looks at it...OOhhh Its giving me chills. And I'm hungry, Did I mention that?
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| March 14, 2010, 9:35 am
Quoting Lee Jones
You are not going to get disqualified for whining in the whining thread ;-)

Lee.

It's good to have a whining place for whining from whiners, because I sort of want to whine about the fact that I'm a whiner by whining.
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| March 14, 2010, 12:03 pm
Quoting 000 000
I'm here whining because I just cleaned my room (before the Moc-Athalon) and now I'll have to clean it again...

I feel empathy. Every time I build something and dismantle it, I never end up sorting the pieces back into their drawers and end up with something that looks like a tornado path.
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| March 14, 2010, 12:05 pm
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