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 Group admin 
Kind of a "State of the MOCtag" address here.

Lately I've been thinking that MOCtag should start over from the beginning. No character or storyline since Rory has seemed to grip the imagination quite like that chicken, and people seem intent on bringing the chicken-motif back into the story no matter what.

So I shall open it up for discussion -- What do you think?

1 - Should I call for, say, MOCtag #25 to be "The End," and have somebody do the next one starting over with "Rory wasn't like the other chickens."? (In this scenario it would keep going back to the beginning whenever it got to 25 episodes in that storyline, so eventually there could be an infinite number of parallel lives for Rory the Rooster.)

2 - Should I leave it alone and just let it ramble on to wherever, as it's going now?

3 - And while we're here, should I ditch the four line rule, since hardly anyone but me cares about it anyway?

Your thoughts?
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| December 29, 2008, 6:45 pm
Same as Heather.
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| December 29, 2008, 7:36 pm
Same as Mark who is same as Heather.
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| December 29, 2008, 9:29 pm
Back to number 1 sounds great, but if you feel the urge to ever make a totally new starting point, that would rock equally well.
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| December 29, 2008, 11:34 pm
I don’t know, do what you want, I guess. I also wouldn’t mind a new starting point, but even if you did that, someone would probably try to bring Rory into it anyway. If I were you, I wouldn’t try to encourage it. We need to be seeing new characters, and I’m sick of chickens!
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| December 30, 2008, 2:21 am
I'm definitely ready to move on, but like Shannon says, everyone keeps coming back to the chicken. That's why my vote would be to start over with a new Rory time line. However...

It is your baby, Shan. I personally wouldn't be disappointed if you started a new one, and basically forbid even the mention of Rory. Do you suppose that would work if we used like a tribal system of enforcement?...we all gang up and verbally lambast and humiliate anybody that brings Rory into the picture, and boot them out of the tribe.
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| December 30, 2008, 9:07 am
I do agree with the ideas of Heather, Mark, and JD.
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| December 30, 2008, 3:03 pm
I can't even make Rory, I don't have his orange beak...
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| December 31, 2008, 12:33 pm
I agree with heather, mark, and 'nickre
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| December 31, 2008, 1:02 pm
Agree with everybody.
Still, I'm very disapointed because you can't understand what's important: Lego or school.
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| December 31, 2008, 5:45 pm
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Joris, your school is your business. Call me a mean old grouch, but in all honesty, no, I don't care if you or any of the kids on MOCpages even go to school or not. That has nothing to do with me. But MOCtag is my baby, and I do care whether it prospers or not. When people are late with their entry, it drags the thing down and people lose interest. Everyone else gets a talking-to when they break one of my all-important rules, I'm not treating you any different. Please stop pouting.

But since you keep bringing it up, my question is this: If you were so busy at school, why did you agree to be tagged? You should have declined and let someone else be It if you weren't going to have time for it.
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| December 31, 2008, 6:15 pm
Quoting JD Luse
Same as Mark who is same as Heather.


Yes I agree.

And, you are a raving madman, parallel lives, infinite MOCtags! Get some sleep. Chuck Norris can count to infinity twice.~LL

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| December 31, 2008, 6:32 pm
Ok, here's my oppinion (which, acording to my wife is worth nothing anyway... but bear with me here). MOCtag NEEDS a reboot! Time to start over from the begining. No more Rory (he was GREAT while he lasted but it's time to say nite nite). Take the whole thing off in a completely different direction. What direction that is is completely up to you (it's YOUR baby). Make 25 the final chapter of this story and move on. Make MOCtag great again! Oh, and that 4 line rule... keep it. And anyone who doesn't adhear to it get's one bombed (even me HAHAHA)! Just my thoughts...
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| December 31, 2008, 7:02 pm
I love it when Chris gets forceful!
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| December 31, 2008, 7:30 pm
I propose a set of rules to abide by for MOCtag:

1st RULE: You do not talk about MOCtag.

2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about MOCtag.

3rd RULE: If someone says "I have school" or goes limp, taps out the MOCtag is passed on.

4th RULE: Only one guy to a MOCtag.

5th RULE: One MOCtag at a time.

6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

7th RULE: MOCtags will go on as long as they have to.

8th RULE: If you are tagged to MOCtag, you HAVE to build or respond otherwise.

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| December 31, 2008, 8:02 pm
I 100% agree with chuck
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| December 31, 2008, 10:23 pm
I agree with Chris Phipson, no more Rory,
it's my turn now to make the next moctag and Rory isn't even in the story anymore, I wouldn't even know how to get him back in AND make it fit in the story.
moctag 25 should be the last one and then Shannon or someone else should start a new moctag
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| January 2, 2009, 7:50 am
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If you recall, I did try to make a fresh start with #17. Four or five episodes on, and Jessie the head exploder has already been completely discarded. Why should I bother making a completely new start again?

The trouble is, almost every player is trying to push MOCtag in the direction they want... but the next person in line rarely goes down the path set for them, they want to take it somewhere else. There is no continuity. A twist to take the story in a new direction is fine every so often, but not every single episode.

That has been my biggest disappointment with the whole MOCtag experiment. I never thought it would be this incoherent. Sometimes from one MOCtag to the next, the only connection between the two seems to be the name. Maybe I'll just ditch the four line rule and start harping on that instead.
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| January 2, 2009, 2:44 pm
Good point Shannon. Could you lay down the law and approve a MOCtag before it's officially added to the story? If you ruled a tag unfit, the next person would ignore it and continue from the previous tag. The threat of having a person's tag discredited alone might straighten things up while giving you more judicial use of your title as King.
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| January 2, 2009, 3:22 pm
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As if I'm not considered a big mean ogre enough already! I hear tell parents are threatening their kids with, "If you don't shape up, Shannon Young will write an acerbic comment to you on the internet!"
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| January 2, 2009, 3:42 pm
Amen, Goldman. =)
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| January 2, 2009, 10:42 pm
Quoting Shannon Young
If you recall, I did try to make a fresh start with #17. Four or five episodes on, and Jessie the head exploder has already been completely discarded. Why should I bother making a completely new start again?

The trouble is, almost every player is trying to push MOCtag in the direction they want... but the next person in line rarely goes down the path set for them, they want to take it somewhere else. There is no continuity. A twist to take the story in a new direction is fine every so often, but not every single episode.

That has been my biggest disappointment with the whole MOCtag experiment. I never thought it would be this incoherent. Sometimes from one MOCtag to the next, the only connection between the two seems to be the name. Maybe I'll just ditch the four line rule and start harping on that instead.


That's exactly what I was thinking! It seems MOCtag can't get past 10 or 15 entries without the story completely dissolving. I suspect this same thing will happen again even if you start another story. People are just too unpredictable, I guess.
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| January 3, 2009, 1:53 am
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Quoting Keith Goldman
In general, I don't see how you can keep it coherent and still maintain a hands-off, all-inclusive attitude.



"Hands-off" and "all-inclusive" were terms I believe I used when pitching the original idea. I never wanted to micromanage this thing. The irony is that I intended all along to set it free in the wilds of MOCpages and see where it roamed... and now that it's doing that, I want to cage it again.

No. I'm going to let it be, for better or worse. It is what it is. I could keep fiddling with the controls until it was unrecognizable from its original version, and still never be satisfied. Maybe MOCtag, like communism, only works well in theory. I will use it as a learning experience for when I unveil my next Great Project.



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| January 3, 2009, 4:32 am
...so it doesn't end after #25 ?
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| January 3, 2009, 8:17 am
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No, it won't end, it can keep going for as long as people are still willing to do it.

After #25 I'll officially revoke the four-line rule, but that's probably going to be the only change.
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| January 4, 2009, 2:45 am
Somehow I had a deja vu moment reading this thread, but I think the whole parallel universes for Rory just sounds cool…

Like Heather:

1: Yes—Parallel universes ftw!!

2: No—The last three or so MOCtags don't really connect to each other (except the two most recent).

3: Yes—Hindering the words written down in a story is never a good idea. Stories should connect with cliffhangers, I say.
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| January 12, 2009, 8:54 pm
the four-line rule .. that means you only write 4 lines on your page right ? I'm sorry I had too many lines, I'll erase some.

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| January 16, 2009, 5:58 pm
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Don't bother changing it now, Sebeus. (Hopefully you see this before you actually do it!) The four line rule was invented for several reasons, which seemed really good at the time... But hardly anyone seems willing or able to follow it anyway. Your entry is good the way it is.
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| January 17, 2009, 1:33 am
ok, thanks
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| January 17, 2009, 4:51 am
1. Yes; a good old re-boot would be refreshing.
2. No; a good old re-boot would be refreshing.
3. No; keep it (unless of course you don't want to). I've always liked the rule because it keeps MOCtag moving along, prevents huge leaps in the story line at one time, and makes the reader really anticipate the next tag
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| January 19, 2009, 3:59 pm
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Hmm, I suppose I should probably lock this thread, since I've decided not to do a reboot. Way to ignore the will of the people, huh? Maybe I should go into politics.

Ben, you're definitely in the minority with me when it comes to the 4-line rule. I do believe MOCtag as a whole would be greatly improved if everyone would stick to it. But everyone doesn't. I'm tired of trying to enforce a rule that is widely ignored and completely unenforceable. Therefore I'm going to eliminate it. Hey, I think drugs should be legalized too, for the same reason.


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| January 19, 2009, 5:25 pm
If it isn't going to restart, then count me in for next weird and wonderful idea you have. Lee.
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| January 24, 2009, 6:36 pm
Agree with Heather.
But....Should mine be the end?
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| January 30, 2009, 10:50 am
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Since you have none of the required links on your page, and have either not tagged anyone, or tagged someone who doesn't want to do it, I don't even consider your MOCtag valid at this point.

If you want yours to be the last one, it seems to me you've done a pretty good job ensuring that will be the case.
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| January 30, 2009, 1:15 pm
Did MOCtag die again? Too bad the new MOCpages can't detect MOCtag assassins.
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| February 16, 2009, 3:10 am
Quoting Willis, the Legomancer

2: No—The last three or so MOCtags don't really connect to each other (except the two most recent).

I have a mustache


I beg your pardon?
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| February 16, 2009, 4:36 am
the end of each moctag is connected to the beginning of the next one,
it's just only...an end and a beginning.
we all have our idea's we want to build into moctag,
everyone (including me) makes huge creations and mostly a complex story.

we should keep it simple, the first moctag was simple too after all...
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| February 16, 2009, 12:23 pm
Quoting Shannon Young
Since you have none of the required links on your page, and have either not tagged anyone, or tagged someone who doesn't want to do it, I don't even consider your MOCtag valid at this point.

If you want yours to be the last one, it seems to me you've done a pretty good job ensuring that will be the case.

Your being ridiculous Shannon.
I did tag Phong Chang,which was a misunderstanding.Then I tagged Arawos,which accepted and then he changed his mind.
Then I tagged Andrew Colunga.
To blame me is laughable.
And what about the links?
And there is no need to aggresive.
Take it as a gentleman.
You cannot complain on me.

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| February 16, 2009, 4:35 pm
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Quoting Glorius Shadow
Your being ridiculous Shannon.

Probably. I'll never argue that.

Quoting Glorius Shadow I did tag Phong Chang,which was a misunderstanding.Then I tagged Arawos,which accepted and then he changed his mind.

Exactly my point. you tagged someone who didn't want to do it -- TWICE! For all this time, effectively nobody has been It.

Quoting Glorius Shadow Then I tagged Andrew Colunga.

Thank goodness for that, assuming this isn't another "misunderstanding." I actually have confidence in him.

Quoting Glorius Shadow To blame me is laughable.

It was your MOCtag and it was all messed up. Who else would be to blame for that?

Quoting Glorius Shadow And what about the links?

I see they are there now -- FINALLY -- but when you posted it, and when I wrote that first comment, there weren't any. The minimum I set forth in the rules was a link to #1, a link to the one before yours, and a link to the next builder. You had NO LINKS AT ALL.

Quoting Glorius Shadow And there is no need to aggresive.

I am simply pointing out the facts as they stood and voicing my displeasure.

Quoting Glorius Shadow Take it as a gentleman.

Who said I was a gentleman? I am in the role of God of MOCtag in this instance. And the God of MOCtag is an angry god.

Quoting Glorius Shadow You cannot complain on me.

I have every right to complain. I did not carefully write the MOCtag rules so I would have something to yell at people about. I wrote them so the thing would run smoothly.

Arguably the two most important rules are:
1) making sure the person you're tagging is actually willing to do it, so the story can move along with minimal delays, and
2) providing necessary links so that someone coming on a MOCtag entry for the first time and having no idea what's going on could track back through the chapters, or go to #1 and start from the beginning.

I am not making a personal attack on you. I am, however, extremely disappointed with the way your MOCtag was handled. I believe I have every reason to feel so. But if it makes you feel better to believe I'm simply being cruel and unreasonable, that's fine with me. I'm sure you won't be alone.
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| February 16, 2009, 6:08 pm
Quoting Shannon Young
Quoting Glorius Shadow
Your being ridiculous Shannon.

Probably. I'll never argue that.

Quoting Glorius Shadow I did tag Phong Chang,which was a misunderstanding.Then I tagged Arawos,which accepted and then he changed his mind.

Exactly my point. you tagged someone who didn't want to do it -- TWICE! For all this time, effectively nobody has been It.

Quoting Glorius Shadow Then I tagged Andrew Colunga.

Thank goodness for that, assuming this isn't another "misunderstanding." I actually have confidence in him.

Quoting Glorius Shadow To blame me is laughable.

It was your MOCtag and it was all messed up. Who else would be to blame for that?

Quoting Glorius Shadow And what about the links?

I see they are there now -- FINALLY -- but when you posted it, and when I wrote that first comment, there weren't any. The minimum I set forth in the rules was a link to #1, a link to the one before yours, and a link to the next builder. You had NO LINKS AT ALL.

Quoting Glorius Shadow And there is no need to aggresive.

I am simply pointing out the facts as they stood and voicing my displeasure.

Quoting Glorius Shadow Take it as a gentleman.

Who said I was a gentleman? I am in the role of God of MOCtag in this instance. And the God of MOCtag is an angry god.

Quoting Glorius Shadow You cannot complain on me.

I have every right to complain. I did not carefully write the MOCtag rules so I would have something to yell at people about. I wrote them so the thing would run smoothly.

Arguably the two most important rules are:
1) making sure the person you're tagging is actually willing to do it, so the story can move along with minimal delays, and
2) providing necessary links so that someone coming on a MOCtag entry for the first time and having no idea what's going on could track back through the chapters, or go to #1 and start from the beginning.

I am not making a personal attack on you. I am, however, extremely disappointed with the way your MOCtag was handled. I believe I have every reason to feel so. But if it makes you feel better to believe I'm simply being cruel and unreasonable, that's fine with me. I'm sure you won't be alone.

I have a mustache


I'm sorry Glorious, but I have to agree with Shannon. Man, just serious... we totally messed it up! The biggest mistake I made, was copying his MOCtag, because I see all kind op !"*&^£tags here on MOCpage.

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| February 17, 2009, 12:37 pm
I guess you didn't check out the first moctag (with the rules) like I told you to do when you wanted me to tag you...
BUT let's not get old cows out of the canal (I hope this is an English expression too)
it happened, so let's all learn from it for the future.
after all someone is tagged, the links are on the page now, (a bit late though),.. Moctag can go on
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| February 17, 2009, 6:02 pm
If you mean my creation was a mess,youre free to tell me.
But I is NOT my fault that Phong Chang didnt want it when he said yes,and the same with Arawos.
They first said yes,and so they changed their mind.
I cant be blamed for that.
But however,the links wasnt there at once I posted it,but I added them quickly.

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| February 27, 2009, 10:29 am
Quoting Glorius Shadow
If you mean my creation was a mess,youre free to tell me.
But I is NOT my fault that Phong Chang didnt want it when he said yes,and the same with Arawos.
They first said yes,and so they changed their mind.
I cant be blamed for that.
But however,the links wasnt there at once I posted it,but I added them quickly.


you mean you did tagg someone before you posted your moctag ?
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| February 28, 2009, 7:21 am
Yes Phong.
Then he didnt want to.
And I quickly tagged Arawos.
And so and so
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| March 11, 2009, 1:42 pm
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